Well it's not 100% confirmed yet but is 99.75% according to John Fury  :

https://metro.co.uk/2023/01/19/john-fury-confirms-tommy-fury-will-fight-jake-paul-on-25-february-18134258/


Interestingly enough even Tommy's dad isn't calling him a boxer but a 'reality star'.


Sometimes people have bravado publicly but behind closed doors is different thing. I've no dount that he has belief in himself but he also probably knows he's not quite ready for Jake right now. He would have made that his next fight if so as that's the one everyone wants to see and is probably the biggest money-maker. Logan and KSI should probably do the third fight. Maybe they can do it after Jake. That would still do big numbers I reckon. Logan was going to fight on the last Misfits card but then he inured his leg wrestling. I think it was him who was originally going to fight Danis. Maybe that fight can still happen if Danis hasn't completely burned his bridges by pulling out and not taking it serious.

At first I was very worried looking at the examples in the OP but then I quickly realised they're probably better than most of the shit posts that get spewed here so it might help the improve the quality of the forum  . I guess this is something we're seriously going to have to consider because it's probably inevitable that this is going to be abused on a wide-scale, especially for those who can't speak English fluently. 


That's interesting and opens up some potential issues. I know theymos' name is public but could this be used for finding out information for doxing? How extensive is the search on someone's username and could it find some info on you that might not have been publicly known? Also, could it even associate you with someone else by accident?


I wonder how long people have been using tools like this because it's not uncommon to see posts like that. Of course something seems off with them as they're not normally how people talk, but then you can also just chalk it up to English not being someone's first language or them just spending a coupe of minutes researching a subject on a  surface level just to make a quick post about it. I've been seeing quite a lot of posts recently that look like they might be plagiarised but then you get zero hits on google.

I don't think who you've ignored should be public. All it would do is cause drama and arguments. Back in the day I believe people's ignore button would glow different colours depending on how many people had ignored you but that was removed. If you really want to ignore someone just ignore them and don't respond to their posts. You can usually tell who has ignored you though because ironically they will tell you at every opportunity which is of course the digital/online equivalent of sticking your fingers in both your ears and going "nah, nah, I can't hear you"  .

Pineda is only a boxer on paper or someone who merely did enough to get a boxing licence. Most would struggle to call him a pro. If you saw him fight he was an amateur at best. He shouldn't have been in the ring with KSI and neither should have that Swarmz guy who they pretty much just dragged off the street but they were both replacements for other fighters that dropped out. Both did better on the last misfits card with both fighters even winning. They've both clearly been training since their last fights and I'm sure we'll see them on future Misfits cards.


Nope. Not at all. I think Jake is by far the superior boxer but like I said, still not really seen much from KSI for an accurate assessment. The KSI/Logan Paul fight was very close from what I remember. Maybe KSI does believe he can win or maybe he doesn't care as he knows it will be his biggest bag. He can still just go on to headline the Misfits cards even if he loses.


He hasn't really been challenged yet and has clearly just been fighting journeymen. I don't think he's that bad but he's definitely got a leg up on the Fury name. This fight will be his big test. I think the fact that there's so much on the line for them to lose is what makes this fight interesting for me.

Most of these get trashed or locked if reported. I'm getting tired of the really stupid ones though: Does your wife/child/dog know you gamble. Do you gamble with your right hand or left? Have you ever gambled on the toilet? Have you ever gambled on an aeroplane? Have you ever gambled on the toilet of an aeroplane etc. I saw there's a thread in there for Miss Universe now.


There's hardly any threads on slots or table games etc so those aren't really needed. I agree it's become more of a general sports discussion sub though. We could just get strict and go back to basics and say if it doesn't involve bitcoin somewhere then it doesn't belong in there but something tells me people will find a way to squeeze in a mention of bitcoin in any which way they can.

Well I think it would be kind of pointless if it was too easy. We can make several different badges as well or maybe the same badge but different colours for the number of reports. We could look at the latest stats on reporting and the monthly stats to determine where to set it at. I think there needs to be at least some point to reporting as 99% of people just won't do it unless it's for something urgent like malware etc (or just something that personally annoys them haha).


Anything that is reported will be counted. If a bot autodeletes something with no report then it probably won't count.


Yeah, good point. Maybe the badges can be time sensitive so you need to keep up the reporting constantly every month or whatever to keep them. That would encourage reporting on a consistent basis and not just mean people spam their way to achieve it then just abandon reporting all together once they get the badge, though I think there could be badges for huge reporting milestones.


Probably. actmyname had 38580 over a 12 month period when the last table was given: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360879.msg57980000#msg57980000

It's only for an interim belt. He can always just refuse it as well. Ruiz will probably take the bigger fight which is Wilder as it obviously comes with a shot at Fury should if he win as well. I don't think this is going to be a good fight for Ruiz. Wilder will destroy him, though I guess if he beat AJ anything is possible but Wilder is far more dangerous than AJ in my opinion. Not sure what's going on with this fight but I'd love to see Wilder against Fury again. He's going to want revenge and I seriously think losing to Fury has changed Wilder.

Nah, that's almost certainly not right and Ariel misunderstood and others have been reporting on that falsely. Jon Jones apparently got around 8 million for his full deal and Ariel asked Francis if that was the same he got offered and he said something along the lines of it was around the same but that will likely be for Jon Jones full 8 fight deal. There's no way Francis is getting 8 million per fight. Connor probably doesn't even get that and the most Francis got paid before was half a million. He can get a million+ for fights now but no way he's getting 8 million per fight.


Francis has already come out and said what he wants to do on Ariel's MMA Hour show and his own Youtube channel. He isn't going to retire. He'll probably box and go with one of the other MMA promotions unless he just sets his sights on boxing as that's where the big money will be.


Who's your money on though? They're both fairly evenly matched according to Skybet odds but Jon Jones is still the favourite. It's going to be interesting since he's been out of action for so long but I don't think this is gonna be an easy fight for Jon at all.

We all know that but that's never how it works. Criminals can and do easily use their dodgy black-market money on the high street and supermarkets etc but those places would never be prosecuted for money laundering or handling illicit money etc but you as an individual could be if they deem you are handling or interacting with illicit cash. It's sadly just how things work. I always find it funny how people cry that bitcoin is a tool for scammers and drug dealers but 99% of scammers just us bitcoin as a medium to sell for cash and most drug dealers don't accept bitcoin. They only accept cash because it's pretty much untraceable, is very easy to launder and there's no record of it kept, but nobody seems to be making that case right now. I'm sure they will do once they decide to go to a 'digital dollar' so they can keep an eye on everybody's transactions and tax is appropriately.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1306658/yson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-fight-update-frank-warren-negotiations-location-date/

Frank Warren keeps popping up on Talksport and it seems to me it's a done deal now other than trying to wrangle the most amount of money out of Saudi for it:


I hope this doesn't come back to bite them. They will know Saudi is desperate for it and will put up a lot of cash but if they're asking for ludicrous sums how far is Saudi gonna go? When they delay things to try milk money it's how fights end up getting dragged on and then never getting finalised as all parties involved can't wait around for ever.



He's not young but he's not exactly old either and I'd say he's still in his peak right now but the as the years pass that will quickly dwindle. AJ is still one of the biggest fights for them both so that's why he will want it and it's something British fans have been calling for for years. It's a guaranteed sellout and blockbuster event. I'm pretty sure it would even do more PPV buys than the Usyk fight. Tyson may or may not retire but most boxers end up fighting well past their prime. They either need the money or just can't seem to let it go (and is self-admittedly the case with Tyson). What else is he going to do? Just train others? Maybe, but boxing gives them motivation and discipline and without it they become lost and easily fall into bad habits.


Fury would sell more tickets in the UK for sure but it still takes two to tango. I'm not sure Usyk would be happy if they've already agreed to 50/50 and then Tyson's camp tries to wrangle some more money out of it just because it's in the UK. They both have belts so neither fighter is the A-side other than maybe how large they measure their potential respective fanbases but not sure how they do that other than looking at PPV buys and tickets sold etc.

The Francis situation is going to be a talking point for a while and I still think it's worthy of discussion because how is this going to effect fighter's going forward? Francis isn't the only one that is unhappy and he was luckily in a situation where he could walk away. You know there's plenty of fighters locked into contracts right now that wish they weren't and there will be a lot more who can't or don't want to speak out right now because the UFC can just stiff them if they start to cause trouble. I just wish the UFC would compromise and meet fighters half way. Why not let fighters have a couple of their own sponsors on their shorts/kit? The back of the shorts and tops are all clear from what I remember so just let them work out their own deals for that. The UFC can't claim that fighters are independent contractors, then lock them into exclusive deals an make them essentially wear a uniform. They should let some of the biggest fighters fight in crossover boxing as well. They did with Connor and did that as a co-promotion so why not just let Francis do the same. It brings huge eyes onto the UFC when fighters go over to boxing so it's win-win for Dana and if Francis did well against someone like Fury or even beat him imagine the reaction to that. The UFC's greed is probably going to come back to haunt them if their biggest fighters all jump ship and move to the next best promotion which could see the UFCs market share quickly dwindle.


I hope there's a movie in the works and his life is definitely worth one. That's another thing the UFC could have done: helped finance a movie about his story and do that under a UFC Film production arm or something.


You don't have to engage in the Francis drama if you don't have to but it's still worthy of discussion and I don't think people should just ignore it and hope it goes away nor should fighters put up and shut up about it either. If the UFC doesn't change their business model fighters leaving is going to be a common thing which is only going to hurt the UFC.


They will likely both win them back pretty soon. I doubt Usman is going to make the same mistake again and should have probably tried to finish him instead of coasting for an easy points win.


I'm looking forward to it but I think Jones is going to struggle against Gane as he would have against Francis. I'm hoping he isn't biting off more than he can chew as this is certainly a huge test for him. He should have probably had one or two warm up fights first before challenging for a title. If he pulls off a win though that's certainly going to be a huge W but there's not many exciting options left after that. Personally I'm hoping the UFC can work something out with Francis even if it's a small 3 fight deal to see him vs Jones as that's the fight that should have been happening.

I dunno. I would agree right now that Jake is the better boxer but we've seen way more of him and KSI has fought two bums and then KOd the last guy pretty quickly so it's hard to tell what level he's at right now. I don't think he will box Jake without having at least another two fights so I can't see that fight happening this year though maybe they could squeeze it in at the end of the year and go out with a bang. I think KSI will be weary of biting off more than he can chew and will want to keep that unbeaten record for as long as he can to hype up the Jake fight (but that's assuming Jake doesn't lose to Tommy).


If the fight is next month then they will have already been in camp or at the very least been doing some serious training. Both guys look like they're constantly in the gym judging by their social media anyway so it's not like they'll be unfit. If the fight does go ahead next month then both guys will have known for quite some time the fight was likely going to happen then so would both be prepared for it. Both fighters have said the fight has been in the works for months so they would have known whether it was likely to happen and they're probably just trying to squeeze some more money from Saudi out of it much like Tyson and Usyk are trying to do.

Tommy Fury is a professional boxer first and foremost and was one before he came a 'celebrity'. People have been complain that Jake hasn't been fighting pros so here he is (assuming the fight does actually goe ahead). It's a good step up and challenge for both of them. If Jake wins then he's beaten a pro and if Tommy loses he's lost to a youtuber. If Tommy wins then his profile will skyrocket and people might start taking him seriously as a boxer or certainly will when he starts to fight ranked opponents after that.


I doubt Jake would fight him. It would probably be a bit of a step down for him right now. If he's going back to Youtube boxers then it will be KSI. KSI has stated he wants to fight him in 2023 but I'm not sure how feasible that is given KSI will need some more ring experience before Jake and will probably want at least two fights before that which they will struggle to get done this year.

Well that will just be what they call a journeyman and if you look at the early records of pretty much all pro boxers you will see the same stuff even with the current superstars like Tyson and Wilder etc. They just take easy opponents early on to break fighters in and pad their record to make their 'unbeaten' status look better than it actually is. It's a wise thing to do really as it would be a bit silly for a fighter to start off against people he is unlikely to win against. Here's a video about 'padded'/unbeaten records: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaJJ3TZe7UM


If they announce the third one I doubt Tommy will pull out again unless he gets an injury. First time was a broken rib and some illness related to it and the second time he literally just couldn't get into the US due to his brother's association with the Kinehan Cartel (which I thought was harsh as Tommy has nothing to do wit them). Tommy seems to really want this fight. It will be a life-changing some of money, grow his exposure even more and he seems to think it's an easy fight for him. Jake probably also feels the same and that's why I'm hyped for this fight. It's a challenge for both of them and there's a lot on the line for both of them. If Jake loses then it's no big deal. He will say he wasn't supposed to win against a Pro but if he wins then Fury is going to be embarrassed potentially out of the sport.

Constantly advertising scams will also hurt their revenue if it's becomes popular opinion that YouTube is just a wild west of scams and scammers. The whole adpocalypse thing a few years back was spurred on by advertisers being worried about their adverts showing up on problematic content and even terrorist videos etc and withdrawing their ads and Youtube just went full overkill and into panic mode. I'm sure that will happen again someday and they will surely start facing legal consequences when people are continuing to lose money. It's not a good look for them at all and if they don't implement some safety standards they will soon be forced to by regulatory bodies. This stuff wouldn't fly on TV or other advertising platforms so not sure why YouTube will be able to get away with doing little to nothing.

I don't think this fight has been confirmed yet just media speculation. Maybe they know something the public doesn't as it's hard to keep the rumours of these events from spreading once the ball is rolling and contracts are signed but there's nothing on Jake's or Tommy social media pages and those will be the first places to look for confirmation. The fight is almost a month away which seems quite soon as well. Have they both been in camp?


Tommy has a pretty much standard padded record for an up-and-comer. You don't go into the big fights without building yourself up first just like Jake has been doing. Personally I think this is a pretty well rounded fight and the biggest test for both of them. I don't see a knock-out and my money is on it going the distance. The biggest thing for me is it could end Tommy's boxing career before it's even started if he loses. I'm sure he's getting a life changing amount of money and will just pivot into being a social media star or something so it won't be too much of a loss but that embarrassment of losing to a YouTuber will certainly sting and it will never leave him.

The interview with Ariel is well worth a watch for those who want to hear Francis' side of the story. It seems like he's walking away from a very large amount of money. What he was asking for wasn't unreasonable but I don't think the UFC is willing to give fighters those things. It looks like they tried to get him on a huge fight deal probably similar to the 8-fight deal Jon Jones was on but then he wanted a three fight deal which Francis seemed to think he could get done in a year which was optimistic.


Yeah, I didn't like how Dana tried to spin the narrative there. Ariel had some good comments on what Dana should have said instead. Interestingly it doesn't look like Francis is opposed to re-joining the UFC but probably knows he won't ever get the terms he wants. Maybe if Dana ever leaves then there might be a shift in how the UFC is run. Francis said he is likely to box next and named Fury and AJ as people he would like to fight but those are unlikely to happen. Maybe Eddie Hearn should contact him about doing a co-promotion to get him into the boxing world. I just hope Francis has something already lined up behind the scenes - or nearly lined up - as he almost certainly isn't going to get what he the UFC offered him with another rival MMA promotion. He will get a huge payday against someone like Fury but like I said before Fury has a queue of people lining up to fight him and I'm not sure when they could squeeze that fight in. Maybe Francis should try box a couple of other people first before going for a megafight.

Dana said, Dana said, Dana said. If Dana said water isn't wet would you believe him? Dana might as well be saying we offered him loads of bad deals but he didn't take any of them and now he's saying Ngannou was scared of the competition which is complete BS. You've got to remember that the contracts ufc give their fighters makes them independent contractors and not employees, yet they don't let them fight outside of the ufc and they don't allow them to wear their own clothes or sponsors. You either are a third party or you're an employee but the ufc wants to have their cake and eat it too so they can get away without properly paying fighters. If you're making fighters sign contracts as essentially self employed then you need to let them be self employed and work out their own sponsorships and merch deals and do whatever else they want.


They can take sponsorships outside of the UFC but what good is that when companies pay for fighters to wear their branding during, before and after the fights. The UFC are sponsored by Crypto.com and Venom clothing. All that money goes to the UFC. They're not allowed to wear the sponsors on their clothing or shorts nor can they get their own clothing deals. The UFC is one of the only sports companies to do this. The UFC are being greedy by taking on exclusive deals that benefit them and them alone.


He's been a free agent for what, a few days? I'm sure he will announce something soon or is certainly working on something. He wanted to fight Fury before and Fury was also game bringing him out at the Chirsora fight but guess what, Francis couldn't do anything at the time because the UFC wouldn't let him, which is funny seeing as the fighters are supposedly independent contractors but can't actually do what they want. I might even understand it if UFC signed exclusive deals for them to only fight MMA with them but to not allow cross over boxing which will only bring even more eyeballs to the UFC is insane. Funny how Connor got that privilege but nobody else.


Izzy has literally said they're both in different situations / deals and described Francis' deal as "atrocious": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uccT3RDWt90

Some fighters seem to get better deals than others and some fighters certainly get Dana White Privilege.


You mean Fernand Lopez? Again, two sides to every story. Lopez has spoken about his regret of that situation and seemingly did many things that were untowards after the split: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X73As65cgBQ

Maybe it's like after a bad break up your girlfriend lying and telling everyone you have a small dick and were bad in bed. Said nothing when the times were good though.


It seems like you already had made your mind up on Francis long ago, but again, why is Dana/the UFC not even more greedy when they don't let fighters do what they want, nor do they pay them appropriately. If Francis feels like he's getting a bad deal, which he is, then he is free to leave and that's what he has done. That to me is being smart rather than just signing your life away to stay with a company you don't even like and know is exploiting you. Maybe he might not even get more money elsewhere but at least he will be free to do what he wants as he should as a supposed independent contractor.

Because there's always at least two sides to every story and it seems like you've already made your mind up here for some reason. Why aren't you accusing Dana White of being greedy offering terrible lowball contracts to even his biggest superstars forcing them to go elsewhere? UFC contracts are already notoriously pretty stingy and also don't allow you to get paid by external sponsors for your kit etc. Ngannou is likely literally losing out millions because of that. I'd argue he's probably losing far more than what the UFC are giving him even on this extended contract that will have been essentially a slave contract for a ludicrous amount of fights like the 8 Jon Jones is now on. It might not even be about the money for Francis but how restrictive the contracts are and he just feels he will be better off elsewhere. The UFC won't allow him to box either and the potential fight with Tyson Fury might be more lucrative than his entire UFC contract. I don't blame Francis or all the other UFC fighters that are leaving in droves either. When Nate Diaz is getting paid double for a random fight than what Francis is getting for a title fight against one his most challenging opponent you know something isn't right but before you make your mind up I'd at least wait to hear what Francis has to say. Francis might just feels disrespected by the UFC and he certainly has a right to be because he wasn't getting what he was worth for his previous fights. Francis seemed to be being pretty reasonable about his contact situation during his injury but I'm guessing Dana didn't want to let him box or pay him what he was truly worth so now here we are.


Doesn't have anything to do with that. You've been here since 2018 so you're not exactly new unless you bought this account. You're entitled to your own opinion but you're basing it entirely off of what Dana has said and don't even seem willing to wait to find out what Francis has to say. You might as well just be telling Francis to shut up and sign a document without you or him even reading it. Since Francis didn't sign he must have some pretty good reasons for doing so as he's walking away from a lot of money and the biggest MMA promotion but he shouldn't resign just because of those things either.

My guess is that they've already got the contracts done and dusted but are trying to milk the max amount of money from Saudi for the fight so that's what's causing the delay. This fight can of course take place in the UK and I'm betting they have a venue already reserved but they know they're not going to get anywhere near the amount the middle east will offer so are trying for that with the UK to fall back on. If there's a rematch maybe they will decide to do that in the UK 'for the fans' as they say (i.e. when Saudi isn't interested haha).

Uysk will probably want the fight in Saudi as well if what Arum says is true that Usyk doesn't deserve a 50/50 split if the fight is in the UK: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-11641261/Bob-Arum-says-50-50-purse-split-not-right-Tyson-Furys-title-fight-Oleksandr-Usyk.html



I don't think he will retire. He's already tried that a few times and said he doesn't know what else to do without boxing. Maybe he will retire from pro boxing and just do some crossover matches or big one off money fights but I still think he as a few fights left in him. There's Usyk, Joe Joyce and everyone still wants to see the AJ fight which I think will probably happen at some point but likely when both are past their prime. The AJ fight is still probably the biggest UK fight to make so both parties will want it. AJ just needs a couple of wins under him and I'm sure he will be fighting some bums soon enough then we'll likely start hearing rumblings of making that fight happen.