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1861  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2017, 10:05:53 PM
its coiled so fucking tight!  Shocked
1862  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
Well, if we don't start going up today, we'll go up tomorrow, and if not tomorrow, the day after..... I've decided to take the "it's all cool" approach  Wink

the next 24hours are not critical?! O_o?
1863  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2017, 05:19:47 PM

when the fud spread like china ban bitcoin.

it is time to take position on buy side.

My number 1 rule, always works, since btc = $200



chain to protect investors, dang thats so bearish.
1864  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2017, 05:17:02 PM
Good morning Bifcoinland.

Still scrapping over $900 I see... currently $898USD (Bitcoinaverage). That's good old $888 at Stamp.

Do we get our third green daily candle in a row today?

i'd bet it goes, short red today ( like 900 ? ), and green tomorrow, then bright green the following day.
1865  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2017, 04:50:33 AM
when they finally stop devaluing it will be because the USD will be dropping, so bitcoin has nothing to worry about.
1866  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2017, 04:34:22 AM


600!?
we'd have to blow past 2 support zones 800 and 750 and then PLUNGE to 650 and then break that support and drop another 50$

https://s24.postimg.org/6wczi52zp/Untitled.png
 


I don't mean to poo poo technical analysis because you may be correct about those areas of support.

I am just going by the mere fact that it has only been a short period of time since we were there at that price point, so therefore it is reasonably within the range of possible prices in the short term (week to month).  We already know that Bitcoin has a historical tendency to overshoot expectations or reasonable expectations... and really there can be a combination of factors that allow prices to get pushed that far down, including someone who has covertly acquired coins over the counter and who strategically places them (or even moves them to exchanges at opportune times).  Sure, there are also tools in which you can push down without even having the actual coins... but sure, maybe the bears are going to run out of coins, it is possible, but even though $600 seems on the extreme end of possible, we were there a bit more than 3 months ago (as I continue to repeat).  

Do you think that I am wanting or hoping for $600?  Currently, I have about 94% of my holdings in BTC, so I only have 6% available to buy on a price drop, and maybe in reality only about 1-2% because some of those funds would be likely be used up with my orders already set to buy in the event that the price goes down.. so by the time we get to lower $600s, I would only have about half of that fiat left (and maybe only be willing to put half of my half into buying at that price point).

Anywhoooo.... if we get a few more tests of support, even at $812 and we stay above it, then it may become even more difficult to get below it.  So far we have only had one test of lower $800s (sure we do not have to have another test of support, but it is not unreasonable to think that it could happen in the next 12 hours or even within the next week).  
i understand, but I still refuse to believe 600 is in anyway realistic.
no one will be willing to sell a bloody satoshi come 860.
1867  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2017, 03:53:53 AM
I'm not sure about the time frame might take a couple of weeks maybe of not much movement. But I'm feeling comfortable about the bottom too. Looking forward to next week.


It was only a month ago I was advising someone to close his sell order at $780. A month later and its crashed to $880. If this is the bottom it's up $100 from a month ago.
 


You are saying?  "if this is the bottom"

At this time, we have a price battle that kind of started three weeks ago and the bears kind of let the prices go up further than they wanted (or maybe they were kind of willing to let it go up)..... anyhow, now there is a battle that seems to be starting...   There is a disagreement about price. Sure, maybe we will end up in the $880s, but there are a lot of areas between about $600 and $1140 that we could end up...

O.k.  Maybe I am being a bit broad with my description of the range.. but it just seems too early to call anything...

There is a potential of another test of support in the lower $800s, but yeah, maybe we don't go there, and then that scenario would be bullish... but I don't think that you can determine either bearish or bullish in the short term because we gotta get some resolution of this $600 to $1140 range... which is pretty fricken broad at the moment, and surely if we do not get further test of the bottom and $880 ends up being the bottom, as you are suggesting, then that would be a pretty bullish scenario that does not yet seem to be a given (I would ballpark that scenario at less than 45%.. but yeah surely it is difficult to know for sure while in the very beginning stages of what appears to be a disagreement about price)

Three months ago it was $600. I think your most bearish bottom of $600 is unlikely. The summer resistance at $800 is now a support level. If it does crash back to $600 I think it wouldn't take long to go back up. I'm bullish, this strikes me as a bear trap.


You could be correct, and I am just saying that we cannot assume $880 to be bottom...

I am definitely prepared for up from here because I already bought a lot of coins from this dip, and I had not really sold very many anyhow in the rise to $1140.

I only use $600 as a reference point because that is where we started in this particular bull run, without any meaningful correction (I think we may had a couple of 7% corrections).  I also think that this most recent correction of approximately 29% should be sufficient in order to get prices to proceed back upwards; however, there could also be a certain level of bear desperation and willingness to operate at a loss in order to keep bitcoin prices down while they have a bit of correction momentum.. to attempt to use it some more iin order to attempt to continue to drive prices down.

In any event, I am not really wedded to any scenario that I describe, and it could take several weeks, even months to resolve this disagreement about price.. and therefore we could have quite a bit of up and down in the $600 to $1140 price range (even if $600 is less of a likely scenario, but it still does seem to be in the range of feasible since we have only been moving upwards from there since the beginning of October, remember?).



600!?
we'd have to blow past 2 support zones 800 and 750 and then PLUNGE to 650 and then break that support and drop another 50$

https://s24.postimg.org/6wczi52zp/Untitled.png
 
consider raising your bottom target a little higher... i mean you can always move it down again if market starts to tank like a SOB, its a long way down to 600...
1868  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2017, 01:44:59 AM
As you may recall, my sells are staggered,

Yes. Likely similar to what I refer to above as 'laddered day trading'. (I'm likely not conversant with trading vernacular - that's just my term).

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so I am not really selling at the top... even though maybe that would be a better strategy

Well, of course selling only at the top would be a better strategy ... if only there were some way to make this strategy realizable. But there ain't. C'est la guerre.



Probably the terminology does not matter too much is we are understanding what we are talking about.

I think that part of the point that I was attempting to make is that I just stagger or step my trades all along the spectrum and all the way up the ladder and then generally all the way back down, as compared with what you were saying that you pulled out your wallet of bitcoin's and began to enter a few staggerings in the $1,100s, which ended up being a decent strategy and may have even been better if the price had gone high enough in order to execute all of your sell orders - then pretty much you got a pretty decent interim play very near the top of this particular cycle.



Even though we may have some tendencies to feel some regrets about we could have played a bit higher stakes, to me, I don't really want to try that kind of bigger stakes strategy because it really does not seem to work too well for my stress levels.

On the other hand, I do attempt to learn from what I could have maybe done a little bit better in order to increase some of my comfort levels.  For this particular correction (that may not be over yet), I went through my various BTC trading accounts, and I restructured a large number of my orders under a new tweaked framework that pretty much caused the spreads to be considerably larger.... and yeah, I will probably tweak those spreads a bit more in the future, but it seems that this new tweaked strategy should at least last me for several months into the future - absent some other erratic  BTC price movements that don't end up being captured in the parameters of expectations that allowed by my new set-up.

if you aren't done covering in the next few minutes you're fucked.

check this thread periodically while trading to incress your stress levels Wink


Are you currently referring to covering shorts or longs?

I just buy as the price goes down.. unless it looks like it is going down in extreme fashion, then I attempt to cancel as many of my buy orders as I can and then maybe buy some of those at a lower price, if I am able to get to a computer while such a thing is happening, which happened when the price dropped from the $1090s arena down to $890 within about an hour. 

Luckily I was alerted early during the $1090 to $890 drop because the extremity of the drop became apparent in less than 10 minutes into it.  But if you cannot get to a computer, then you just gotta live with whatever you have preset... and maybe attempt to regroup afterwards.


cover your sells.

yes i was canceling orders, hitting market, and cashing price like a mad fool too... was fun.


dang there goes 880
1869  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2017, 01:35:53 AM
if you aren't done covering in the next few minutes you're fucked.
I don't see too much going wrong, probably more sideways consolidation? We've already had our major correction / dump a couple of days ago.

I'm working with the assumption that it wasn't a correction, more like a unavoidable bear trap, i expect a pretty fast recovery back over 1000$ ( within a week ) and continue to rally toward 1337 ( in a couple weeks ) and beyond ( moon ).
1870  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2017, 01:12:44 AM
As you may recall, my sells are staggered,

Yes. Likely similar to what I refer to above as 'laddered day trading'. (I'm likely not conversant with trading vernacular - that's just my term).

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so I am not really selling at the top... even though maybe that would be a better strategy

Well, of course selling only at the top would be a better strategy ... if only there were some way to make this strategy realizable. But there ain't. C'est la guerre.



Probably the terminology does not matter too much is we are understanding what we are talking about.

I think that part of the point that I was attempting to make is that I just stagger or step my trades all along the spectrum and all the way up the ladder and then generally all the way back down, as compared with what you were saying that you pulled out your wallet of bitcoin's and began to enter a few staggerings in the $1,100s, which ended up being a decent strategy and may have even been better if the price had gone high enough in order to execute all of your sell orders - then pretty much you got a pretty decent interim play very near the top of this particular cycle.



Even though we may have some tendencies to feel some regrets about we could have played a bit higher stakes, to me, I don't really want to try that kind of bigger stakes strategy because it really does not seem to work too well for my stress levels.

On the other hand, I do attempt to learn from what I could have maybe done a little bit better in order to increase some of my comfort levels.  For this particular correction (that may not be over yet), I went through my various BTC trading accounts, and I restructured a large number of my orders under a new tweaked framework that pretty much caused the spreads to be considerably larger.... and yeah, I will probably tweak those spreads a bit more in the future, but it seems that this new tweaked strategy should at least last me for several months into the future - absent some other erratic  BTC price movements that don't end up being captured in the parameters of expectations that allowed by my new set-up.

if you aren't done covering in the next few minutes you're fucked.

check this thread periodically while trading to incress your stress levels Wink
1871  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2017, 12:56:27 AM
this doesn't look good

1872  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2017, 12:52:07 AM
everytime i think it can fly away market pisses on my dreams  Cry
1873  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2017, 12:33:42 AM
1874  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 09, 2017, 12:12:29 AM
here comes the big one
1875  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 08, 2017, 11:37:15 PM
1876  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 08, 2017, 10:48:35 PM
all the altcoin are about to appear cheaper but in fact be more expensive.


dump them.
1877  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 08, 2017, 10:11:25 PM
we'll see a Big move tonight, maybe above 1000$ again.

i guess that means you altcoiners will get to pick up your altcoins on the cheap?


based on what facts you say this about tonight?
i've been keeping track of shorts, they appear to have saturated.
1878  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 08, 2017, 09:37:31 PM
I almost forgot over the last couple of years just how nauseating bitcoin's price movements can be.


you'll be fine.


Oh crappy-o, it looks like we're going down again  Cry  BTC didn't even rise enough to give me a proper dip on my favourite altcoin!  I feel better if I can keep my liability split 50/50 between the two but after the events of the past few days I've spent heavily on Bitcoin and now I feel too one-sided and too vulnerable to Bitcoin's fluctuations. It only needed to rise a little bit more (and the alt dip a little bit more) for my buy order to go through on Polo, but now they've see-sawed the wrong way  Sad


I understand that people do this, and it does lend a certain ability to profit and an additional level of complexity that can really cause you to lose money faster or gain less (but yeah of course I recognize that it can have big pay offs too). 

In other words, you are really bringing additional gambling to bitcoin, and does not really seem to be a longer term plan.. with mere investing in bitcoin should be enough to get rich, no (or at least increase your value over time).

Oh it's long term alright, in fact I was buying up Dash for over a year before I bought any Bitcoin to keep. Let's say I'm hedging my bets as to which one is the better long-term investment. Wink.   I hope they will both enjoy mainstream adoption and a long prosperous future and I want very much to be a part of that. But the high profit margin on my Dash has also been very reassuring during these funky Bitcoin dips.

It doesn't make me any less passionate about Bitcoin. It's just that I was passionate about Dash first and so far it's done me very proud  Smiley
why did you first get dash?
was the talk of bitcoin scalability problem a factor?

I did a lot of research into as many cryptocurrencies as I could after I became intrigued by a Litepay option on the website for an online service I use. The first thing that caught my attention with Dash was the privacy angle and the instant transactions. As I read more about it, yes, the scalability stood out as an important factor as did the ability of the Dash network to make decisions quickly, thanks to the Masternodes. Dash appeared to be already future-proofed with the ability to adapt with agility to changes and challenges. It seemed to have anticipated the potential problems that Bitcoin might encounter and dealt with them already.  Two years on I still feel excited about Dash's future and I can't wait for the release of Evolution to take the mystery out of crypto for the average Joe.

But after a year or so of using Bitcoin as a means to buy Dash (The lack of fiat gateways is still a huge limiting factor for Dash) and also to transfer money from my UK bank to my Euro bank faster and cheaper than the banks can do it, I got to know Bitcoin better and to respect it as the Big Daddy of crypto. I had a chance to buy in low after the Bitfinex hack and then I was hooked. The lack of scalability with Bitcoin does worry me, as does the apparent impossibility of its network to actually agree on anything, but it already has the adoption and market cap that at the moment Dash is only dreaming of.  And these rollercoasters are certainly good for an adrenaline rush  Cheesy

Sorry I think I got a bit carried away there  Grin

i've bought and sold altcoins now and then, but i never got myself to "HODL" some... from what I see is that every few years there's a bunch of new hot altcoins that offer  "a start fresh from ground 0, with this new coin that does X Y Z super fast and super well "
It's an appealing prospect, and a believable story... the crypto does indeed offer technical advantages over bitcoin, why won't it eventually be preferred over bitcoin!?

but in reality altcoins are fighting a battle they can't ever hope to win. first off there will always be newer and "better" cryptos being rolled out. second they can only outpace bitcoin for a limited amount of time... once we have TX malleability fixed ( via segwit or otherwise ) then we'll open up the lighting network which will allow for, instant transactions, scalability,  scripting language(and we all know just how impressively immutable bitcoin really is Tongue we won't make the ETH/ETC mistake.) we'll see protocols that utilize zero knowledge proofs for ultimate privacy  ( Zcash is a proving ground for development and eventual adoption on the real blockchain ). It might take some time for all this stuff to be rolled out onto Bitcoin's blockchain, but its coming, and all these alts are really just doing the grunt work of trying things and seeing what works and what doesn't.

altho... i have found an interesting altcoin lately, its a protocol layer on top of Bitcoin which allows anyone to create "blockchain assets" and because all these assets reside on the Bitcoin blockchain they can be traded in a decentralized manner.  this i can get behind, because its success and bitcoin's success synergies.
1879  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 08, 2017, 08:17:38 PM
we'll see a Big move tonight, maybe above 1000$ again.

i guess that means you altcoiners will get to pick up your altcoins on the cheap?
1880  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 08, 2017, 08:04:33 PM
I almost forgot over the last couple of years just how nauseating bitcoin's price movements can be.


you'll be fine.


Oh crappy-o, it looks like we're going down again  Cry  BTC didn't even rise enough to give me a proper dip on my favourite altcoin!  I feel better if I can keep my liability split 50/50 between the two but after the events of the past few days I've spent heavily on Bitcoin and now I feel too one-sided and too vulnerable to Bitcoin's fluctuations. It only needed to rise a little bit more (and the alt dip a little bit more) for my buy order to go through on Polo, but now they've see-sawed the wrong way  Sad


I understand that people do this, and it does lend a certain ability to profit and an additional level of complexity that can really cause you to lose money faster or gain less (but yeah of course I recognize that it can have big pay offs too). 

In other words, you are really bringing additional gambling to bitcoin, and does not really seem to be a longer term plan.. with mere investing in bitcoin should be enough to get rich, no (or at least increase your value over time).

Oh it's long term alright, in fact I was buying up Dash for over a year before I bought any Bitcoin to keep. Let's say I'm hedging my bets as to which one is the better long-term investment. Wink.   I hope they will both enjoy mainstream adoption and a long prosperous future and I want very much to be a part of that. But the high profit margin on my Dash has also been very reassuring during these funky Bitcoin dips.

It doesn't make me any less passionate about Bitcoin. It's just that I was passionate about Dash first and so far it's done me very proud  Smiley
why did you first get dash?
was the talk of bitcoin scalability problem a factor?
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