Gracias!!, ya hice todo, puse mi ip en mi cuenta, cambie la url del guiminer, y sigo sin poder conectarme, uso win7 x64 y guimminer.
Haz una cuenta en otra pool y "minea" allí hasta que slush vuelva a funcionar. |
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1. A truly viable alternative (much less replacement) to existing currencies.
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While this has been fun, i think its become quite clear that this is a geek obsession and nothing else. Nice handwaving. |
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did you really believe the client would read an encrypted file??? wow, the BTC technical difficulties are just getting started.  Just because someone tries to drive a car by sitting in the trunk doesn't mean the car is faulty.  But it means the car designers and car marketing guys have a hell of a task in front of them. |
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My major concern with him is he's getting old. I think he would atleast look into btc.
Ron Paul has introduced laws to remove the monopolly on money from the Fed and allow competition of currencies, so yeah. |
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From what I've seen that's just a front end GUI for aticonfig. I've been able to underclock the ram but my cards wont overclock the GPUs over 900 for my xfx 5830 and 875 for my sapphire 5830. Am I missing something here?
No, AMDOverdriveCtrl is a front end for the AMD ADL library (which I suspect is the same one aticonfig uses). If your card bios is limited no tool in linux will help you. You need to flash the bios if you want to go further. And to do that you need to do it in windows. Once the card is flashed you can go back to linux. |
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That is because everyone knows that ASICs are the inevitable end game. Whoever has those wins.
Even a ASICs design will have a hard time vs a few million gamers worldwide who consider their graphics cards free and GPU shrinks that happen every 18-24 months on average. Any ASIC design brought out today will have to compete with the radeon 7xxx series and not current hardware. The point of the ASIC's is lower consumption. How can a 7XXX compete with a device that consumes 10 times less energy for the same bitcoins? ASIC's will make GPU mining obsolete. |
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Sorry this is nitpicky, but that statement IS true if one really "holds all else equal." By holding all else equal, one is cancelling out price elasticities and time preferences and thus a doubling of quantity would equal a halving of price.
However, in the real world one can never hold all else equal, so it's correct to say that just because money supply doubles, it does NOT mean prices will double. This is because price elasticity curves are not linear, they are curved - and people will thus behave in a predictable, but not linear, pattern.
But I concur with your general sentiment, OP
And dont forget about how monetary inflation affects investment and the capital structure, thus changing production, that will end up affecting the prices as well. |
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1. Backing Bitcoin would require a central authority and being decentralized is one of the key characterisitcs of Bitcoin. Without decentralization Bitcoin would loose value, not gain it. 2. If you still think its a good idea, you can go and start goldcoins, silvercoins, ricecoins or dollarcoins. Let the market decide which one it prefers. But I would take a good look at what happened to Liberty Dollars. Gold has unique physical properties. It "backs" itself.
Backing btc requires a central organization to implement, which defeats the purpose of btc.
Bitcoins also have some physical unique properties. It "backs" itself, as its price its showing. |
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So, the ATI drivers and SDK for linux support more than 4 gpus but windows, who thy develop their drivers for as their primary market wont support more than 4? Not sure that makes sense, you'd think the OS they do the most business with would be the more developed of the two, one would think Linux would support less than a windows machine just because the linux community is small.
Im just speculating here, but the limitations AMD introduced for windows are probably due to limitations on windows, and not done on porpouse. It does not make any sense to limit to 4 cards in windows and allow 8 in linux, and then force the use of dummy plugs in windows but not in linux. I find it hard to believe that AMD is doing that on porpouse, I dont see any reason, so its probably due to some limitation of the OS. |
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Some people might say that the exchange rate of bitcoins may go up to compensate. That may or may not be true. But if it is, it would make more economic sense to buy bitcoins now and take the gain, rather than buying hardware to generate them. The exchange rate of bitcoins will go up. The value of bitcoins is in the hands of the miners for the most part. If they have to raise the cost of bitcoins in order to make a profit after paying their hydro, then it will go up. Nobody in the right mind would sit here, watching how bitcoins has grown since one year ago and figure that it's a bad move to mine. The same topics were probably mentioned by the first 100 or so people mining after 10000 more people jumped on board and brought up difficulty. Now those guys are the ones who don't have to work for a living. It depends on the demand for bitcoins as well. If the demand is weak, the price wont go up no matter what the miners do. |
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Nobody has mentioned yet the risk of the ASIC that different groups have announced for the end of this year begginning of the next one. When that hardware is ready your GPU wont be able to compete and will be an obsolte investment. And the prodcution is halving every 18 days because of the increase of difficulty. If you are not able to break even under those conditions by the end of the year, you should think very carefully what you are doing, otherwise you are going to loose money since you wont be able to keep your GPU generating (profitably).
There is only two things that can change to make mining profitable. 1) The difficulty stops growing so much giving miners some room to get more bitcoins. 2) The price rises consierably, to $30 and beyond.
(This part is speculation obviuosly) Regarding 2) I dont see that happening for a long time, probably until 2012 because the initial rush because of the press has happened and there is a lot of people looking to unload in the $20 range and beyond. It will take time and a lot of demand to break that resistance. Also, the kind of people the rush has attracted to Bitcoin is not people looking to improve the Bitcoin economy, but a lot of those are looking for a quick and easy way of making money, so when the price rises to those levels they will sell.
Regarding 1) is the part that I see more posible to change. I still dont understand how anyone can be buying dedicated miners at this point, so it makes sense to me that at some point not so much capacity will be added to the network and the difficulty will stop growing so much. I really dont understand some people that are buying and buying GPU's right now. What are they going to do with their 50+ gpu farms when the ASIC chips make their hardware obsolete? The second hand market wont be abel to absord so many gpu's going on sale all together. But again, its not guranateed that the difficulty will grow slower, for all we know it could grow even faster. But I think its more probable that we see the difficluty slowing than the price rising a lot in the rest of 2011.
But anyone has to keep in mind that if there is not a big change in the difficulty trend or in the price, buying a dedicated miner right now is NOT profitable, you wont break even. Anyone can do the math. Mining is not fine. We are in a very delicate moment.
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Have you tried going down to 335? A lot of people here (including me) have gotten the 5870 to 335 -333 without affecting hashing speed. What about voltage?
Yeah, I've tried 333 and, while it's a noticeable improvement over 300, it falls a few MH/s behind 350 memory clock. Voltage is automatically set at 1.250 by the ATI GPU Tool, which I'm using to adjust the core/memory clocks. I don't think there's a way for me to change the voltage with that tool. If you are using Linux try AMDOverdriveCtrl. I could set the voltage lower at those speeds, so you have less consumption and less heat. |
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This video by George Selgin about the record of the Fed compares data from the XIX century when USA had no Federal Reserve with the data of the XX century with the Federal Reserve, focusing on production and stability of production (the cycle). Highly recomended. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLynuQebyUM |
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Ok I did some further tweaking and got mine stable at 442-443 MH/s. 1000MHz/350Mhz, 68C with fan @ 60% (ambient temp is around 80F), case cover is on. That's with 11.5. With 11.6 I lose about 80 MH/s.
Have you tried going down to 335? A lot of people here (including me) have gotten the 5870 to 335 -333 without affecting hashing speed. What about voltage? |
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My coins are for exchange of products and services only.
look at this nancy boy riding his high horse You are allowed to troll because you entertain us, but dont dare mocking productive members of the bitcoin community. |
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I cashed some out (like 50 bitcoins) ... to buy a mining rig.  So it all stays "home". I have also bought things with bitcoins and given some tips. |
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I have a system very similar to yours and pulling 800W. It depends on how you overclick obviously. I have set the voltage down a bit and the memory clock down a lot, while the gpu up a lot.
Wich PSU do you use? I mean at the end you need a PSU with 8 x PCie 6+2 connectors rights? Im using a 1000W one with 8 pci-e, but you dont need it to have the 8 pci-e. You can use one with 6pci-e and use 2 molex adaptares. The cards come with one each. |
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