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19461  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Rewrite the bitcoin blockchain with 100% hash power on: November 19, 2016, 12:41:42 AM
its taken 7 years to get to 2.1exahash network..
imagine that we had 2.1exa hash in 2009.. 2016 blocks would take milliseconds to make instead of 2 weeks. if difficulty was only 1.

but i dont think the article includes that difficulty changes would normalise that massive hash power quite quickly

so now we run into difficulty normalising that 2.1exa.

knowing difficulty can only change a maximum of 4x which would take 20 changes to go from 1 to 281,800,917,193 difficulty

lets work backwards.
20th DA happens at 2 weeks to make 2016 blocks
19th DA happens at 3.5 days to make 2016 blocks
18th DA happens at 21 hours to make 2016 blocks
17th DA happens at 5hours15min to make 2016 blocks
16th DA happens at 1hours18min45secs to make 2016 blocks
15th DA happens at 19min41secs to make 2016 blocks
14th DA happens at 4min55secs to make 2016 blocks
13th DA happens at 1min13secs to make 2016 blocks
12th DA happens at 18secs27ms to make 2016 blocks
11th DA happens at 4secs36ms to make 2016 blocks
10th DA happens at 17ms to make 2016 blocks
09th DA happens at 4.2ms to make 2016 blocks
08th DA happens at 1ms to make 2016 blocks
07th DA happens at <1ms to make 2016 blocks
06th DA happens at <1ms to make 2016 blocks
05th DA happens at <1ms to make 2016 blocks
04th DA happens at <1ms to make 2016 blocks
03th DA happens at <1ms to make 2016 blocks
02th DA happens at <1ms to make 2016 blocks
01th DA happens at <1ms to make 2016 blocks

now working forward
due to difficulty adjustments happening in milliseconds at first and then slowing down near the 20th adjustment to normalise that 2.1exahash to be around 2016 blocks every 2 weeks
that means that to go from making 2016 in milliseconds to making 2016blocks in 2 weeks
it would take under 3 weeks to normalise and in that time only 40320 blocks are produced before 2.1exa is normalised to make 2016 blocks every 2 weeks

then we would be at the same rate as now but would have done 9 months of hashing initially in under 3 weeks back in january 2009. and the other 7 years would be at the normal 2016blocks every 2 weeks.
30240 blockheight before the 30th minute
32256 blockheight before the 2nd hour
34272 blockheight before the 8th hour
36288 blockheight before the 30th hour
38304 blockheight before the 4th day
40320 blockheight before the 3rd week
then a new 2016 blocks every 2 weeks after that

in short,
for the first 3 weeks of 2009 the network would explode with 40320 blocks before valentines day. then it would be just making 2016 blocks every 2 weeks as normal

meaning a rewrite chain using 2.1exa from day one would only be 40320 blocks ahead of our chain if it started in january 2009
19462  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Fiat Digital currency is coming to Chinese people. on: November 18, 2016, 05:08:16 PM
yet another post with people advertising the bankers crapcoin on the hyperledger.

again nothing to do with bitcoin
19463  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: India is Paying $900+ for Bitcoin Amid Cash Crisis on: November 18, 2016, 05:05:11 PM
ARBITRAGE

convert rupee to USD via conventional methods.
but bitcoin with USD, sell it to rupee

profit

convert rupee to USD via conventional methods.
but bitcoin with USD, sell it to rupee

profit

rinse and repeat
19464  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin woke up the Giants on: November 18, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
blockchain does have many advantages over standard databases of the olden days. but fundamentally it is just a database. and its what the data will be and how that data is secured that changes things.
think of "blockchain" as simply "relationship database", but much more programmable and layer-able then standard

Do you suggest that branches of a bank should each keep an authentic copy of their blockchain of transactions, and with every transaction made they should broadcast this transaction to every other branch of the bank?

yet again your thinking about bitcoins blockchain and how bitcoin functions.

ill repeat for a third time. a block chain is just a block of data linked to another block.
it does not require to be distributed.
does not require PoW,
does not require Sha
does not require the data to be financial based
dos not require immutability and endless growth
does not require these things but still defined as blockchain.

its just a relationship database (if you want to use old terminology)

however its more programmable than traditional databases to allow it to be secured in a multitude of different ways,
it can be where each branch just stores "headers only"
or yes it could be each branch has all account details of all branches
or even regional centres holding a percentage of the data and/or just headers.
its fully open to options and utility.
 
as for how i see banks using it.. some of the ethical concepts(towards society and customers)  i have thought of probably wont be what or how banks will use their hyperledger chains

what if there are thousands of such branches? I simply can't accept this idea as both feasible and meaningful. On the other hand, if a few branches become disconnected from each other, make transactions and end up with different blockchains, this would obviously wreak havoc in such a system. Since how would they synchronize their blockchains later? I'm strongly inclined to think that processing data in a centralized way is the only viable alternative in this case...

And that seems to be what payment processing systems like PayPal, Mastercard or Visa do

again your thinking of it in terms of bitcoins immutable ever growing blockchain that due to the amount of customers requires x,y,z. rather then just thinking of a relationship database, where data can be edited/split into clusters.

imagine it like a block of data is a database table, linked by a reference to another database table. and certain nodes only need to store certain tables and table could be altered if there were a number of authorisations to do so. thus preventing a single user from changing everything.

blockchain is not much of a big new perfect technology. its just a tool to then build ontop on with other things.

in short a blockchain is not a big powerful new thing. yes its a new tool for data utility. but a blockchain alone (without other security features) is not much by itself.
the only way you know what extra security layers and what way it will be used would be to talk to those contracted to build it.

blockchain is not the end tech.. its just the introduction.. bitcoin has many other mechanisms that make bitcoin special.
19465  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining Pools Quote Adam Back on: November 18, 2016, 09:49:18 AM
the chance of getting a block is very very low when doing it alone. so it makes sense to join together to increase your chance and take a share of the winnings regularly. rather then do it alone and wait forever for a one time win
19466  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public? on: November 17, 2016, 10:55:59 PM
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your birth certificate is not linked to bitcoin.
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your marriage status is not linked to bitcoin.
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your family ancestry is not linked to bitcoin.
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your home address is not linked to bitcoin.
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your date of birth is not linked to bitcoin.

however if you are going to post your main use bitcoin address in your forum profile
and then tell people on the forum who and where you are.

trying to change bitcoin or complain about bitcoin. when bitcoin asks for nothing. while happily you are giving out info,
is something bitcoin features can never solve. but something you yourself have chose to reveal.
19467  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin woke up the Giants on: November 17, 2016, 08:48:34 PM
put it another way

if i had some data.. it could be a list of transactions, a chapter of a book or some medical data
i and someone else can sign it so it becomes a block of data.

but we also add a piece of data from another block so that they are linked together.
now you have a blockchain.

And how could all this help store data more efficiently in the blockchain as you said in your previous post? I think any decent database will do that by far more efficiently. On the other hand, If a client of a bank wanted to sign a message or an order (say, to transfer money of make a payment), he would just use his digital signature that the bank provided him with and with which the bank can authenticate this user. This client already trusts the bank (since he holds his funds there), so there is no use for blockchain, right? Note that I'm not talking about Bitcoin here...

I just want to see if the blockchain technology is really useful for banks in any meaningful way

blockchain does have many advantages over standard databases of the olden days. but fundamentally it is just a database. and its what the data will be and how that data is secured that changes things.
think of "blockchain" as simply "relationship database", but much more programmable and layer-able then standard

it all depends on what layers and uses they have

users EG local bank branch and a customer can use multisigs. for the accounts
think of it like each bank branch is a block of data. holding many multisig transactions.
then outside the block(bank branch) the head office signs the entire block and has other bank branches double audit that particular bank branch(block of data)

thus that block is then linked to a chain held by head office.
the bank branch or customer cannot simply edit the block. they need the head office and syndicate of other branches to sign off on the block to then update it. (more of PoA/PoS concept).

meaning the customer alone cant change anything.. the bank branch manager cannot edit anything alone. where it could require between 4-xx of entities to edit an entry.

because blockchain is soo loose in its actual definition. it can be utilised in many ways.. however, the only way of knowing how banks are actually going to use it requires you looking at hyperledger or getting gmaxwell to discuss what he and his employers are upto.


19468  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin woke up the Giants on: November 17, 2016, 08:20:57 PM
But I was asking specifically about the blockchain technology and its possible use by the banking sector, right?

Besides, I don't see how blockchain makes it more efficient to store, organize and process data. In every of these aspects, blockchain simply sucks, to be honest. If you need redundancy, there are special tools for doing just that. I can't possibly comprehend why you would try to use nodes for distributing your data (in search of redundancy or efficiency) which are in no way affiliated with you and don't have to keep your data in the first place. To organize your data, you use databases which specifically aim at fast retrieval of data entries in arbitrarily order (binary trees and that sort of things). The blockchain data format (JSON if I'm not mistaken) is simply unusable for these purposes. Processing data has nothing to do with blockchain altogether

firstly you have not grasped what blockchain is.

its like your trying to skip some steps. grab an idea and then run backwards blindfolded.

bitcoins blockchain is fixed data. due to many SEPARATE mechanisms, one of which is called proof of work that locks the data via hashes.
blockchains in general do not need to be locked in as a permanent unchangeable dataset.
blockchains dont have to uses hashes, PoW. blockchains dont even need to be distributed.

forget all you know of the dozen or so security features of bitcoin.. and peel it all away and think about one aspect. blockchain
forget json, forget SHA, forget PoW, forget transactions, forget distribution with anonymous parties.

blockchain is just a block of data linked to another block of data. like a chain of blocks.

put it another way

if i had some data.. it could be a list of transactions, a chapter of a book or some medical data
i and someone else can sign it so it becomes a block of data.

but we also add a piece of data from another block so that they are linked together.
now you have a blockchain.

if you think a blockchain has to be virtical and has to grow forever it doesnt. a chain can wrap around its self or replace a link in the chain
data can be edited in a blockchain as long as it meets the rules of what linked it together.

bitcoin is a whole different concept. of multiple security features ONTOP of blockchain.. that has many many many more layers to make it near impossible to edit and technically immutable data in regards to the limits of circumventing all of bitcoins other security measures.

again once you realise how small of a security measure blockchains are. you realise it does have some utility.. but is no where near what bitcoin is.
19469  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin woke up the Giants on: November 17, 2016, 07:18:22 PM
there are probably loads of other reasons, i just listed the obvious ones anyone can think of, im sure the banks internal thinktank can think of more. maybe best to ask Gmaxwell what his contract conditions are and if he is open to talk about his employers(the banks) reasons for wanting hyperledger

All your reasons can be refuted by the simple fact that banks don't need the blockchain technology to do what you just enumerated. Everything from your list can be easily done with a distributed database or fail-safe filesystem (like what Google uses on their servers). But since they don't employ these tools (at least, en masse), it seems there is no particular reason or advantage to implement them. That is, their choice is toward further centralization. As I see it, blockchain is essentially about working in a trustless environment...

But the banking system itself is the opposite of that, since the Central bank is the ultimate arbiter and a source of trust by definition

when you realise that "blockchain" is just something like 5% of the security model of what bitcoin is.. you and i can both laugh at what purpose the banks are overselling the "database" 2.0 they are harping on about..

but what data they put within the database. and how they monetise it and how that data has its own utility.. is something only the banks will know.
eg health records, ID, births deaths and marriages, financial, produce and manufacturing tracking data.. the list can be endless. and monetised in endless ways. but that data is nothing to do with blockchain.. blockchain is just a small option for how that data is stored more efficiently then the old way databases worked

blockchain itself is meaningless.. its the data and what that data can and will do that has meaning.. and that data can be anything and unrelated to "blockchain"
19470  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin woke up the Giants on: November 17, 2016, 05:50:15 PM
I've heard it a few times already across the forum that banks are allegedly implementing their variety of the blockchain technology, but no one could even remotely describe coherently what benefit or advantage this technology could offer them in practice. I'm not even asking about actual implementations, just a viable concept, I mean, something real, not someone's fantasy or forced idea. Personally, I can't come up with anything that couldn't be done more efficiently without the use of blockchain altogether...

Or has blockchain really become a new buzzword of sorts?

I see many bank giants adapt (what they call) "block chain technology"

What bank giants do you refer to exactly?

research hyperledger.

as to why banks are using it.
here are some reasons

1. instead of one centralised database needing security guards and vetting staff just to be in the building.. the data secures itself and is spread out so no single location can be attacked.
EG bank employee at smalltown branch cant hack the data compared to, if the old style database was distributed.
EG IT guy at centralised HQ where single copy database(not distributed) also cannot hack it.

thus. HR employees that vet staff can be sacked. security guards, IT guys, and many more staff sacked.

2. along with security no longer needing 'labour'. it also no longer needs much maintenance. you just buy a pc load a ISO disk of the operating system that includes the node. and your done. meaning more labour can become redundant

3. due to being distributed it reduces bandwidth compared to 95,000 banks connecting to a centralized server. where each bank branch has 10 employees blasting requests to that central server.. now 10 bank branch employees blast their requests to the bank branch node which then only communicates to another node. which due to relay effect the doesnt require terrabyte fibre connections to a central point
so now servers, internet, electric costs are now reduced, while significantly improving security.

4. auditing becomes easier. so meeting regulation and financial obligation becomes manageable with less labour/equipment.

5. banks actually have "homeland security" staff monitoring threats that can cause issues to the banking system (yea they were useless with 9-11 and the 2008 internal bank terrorism against customers) but now they can be sacked too

6. in short banks can remove their sky scraper HQ buildings and run more efficiently and more securely with just bank branches relaying to each other

there are probably loads of other reasons, i just listed the obvious ones anyone can think of, im sure the banks internal thinktank can think of more. maybe best to ask Gmaxwell what his contract conditions are and if he is open to talk about his employers(the banks) reasons for wanting hyperledger
19471  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SegWit, are we sure about this? on: November 17, 2016, 03:08:39 PM
Does anyone know if Segwit will cause compatibility issues with APIs and payment systems?

the final release version (not this version but the one only public after activation) will require deposit addresses to change for merchants using segwit, due to the new HD segwit compatible seed addresses.
this can affect alot of exchanges who decide to have full node status in the background and may require some maintenance downtime and informing customers of changes

also some of the RPC calls have changed so merchants will need to tweak their webserver to interpret the new RPC's and then translate them into a form that resembles the API quiries the webserver normally sends out to users. but please note some RPC's may give more info and as such some merchants may actually use the updated info from the RPC's, which means the user has to adjust to the new information.
but that all depends on the merchant and what API you are needing. best to check with the service your API calling.

there are a few other things to note. but i feel some fanboys are ready to pounce and declare segwit to be utopian perfection and that no one should worry, and simply sheep follow and obey.
so ill let them get their idolizations out the way before hinting at other issues
19472  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Future of Bitcoin is in Danger among 1.25 Billion people. on: November 17, 2016, 02:40:31 AM
as for his other questions about bitcoin utility.
he mentions bitcoin is worthless for buying real produce/ day to day spending.

but strangely says remittance is expensive Huh
if trying to put indian rupee in, to get dollars out.. id agree
BUT when thats the case.... the opposite is true the other way round
its better for dollar in and rupee out

lets take someone working in america wanting to send $100 to his families homeland in india
forex says that dollar<->INR is $100<->₹6795
lets see if we can better that and get the indian family more then 6795 rupee

first having $100
1.a)converting it to bitcoin, lets take the cheapest $739/btc
using ACH bank account 1.8% (1.5% deposit and orderbook 0.3% swap)
$100=0.132882273
(other exchanges have cheaper orderbook fees but higher wire deposit fee EG krakens US$ deposit is $5 and higher spreads too)
1.b)converting it to bitcoin, lets take the krakens $745/btc
using ACH bank account $5 +0.42%
$100=0.12698121

next sending that to someone in india becomes
2.a)0.13278227 standard tx fee
2.b)0.12688121 standard tx fee

3.a) hoping that the receivers of 0.13278227 is the highest indian exchange rate of 60,300 the recipient gets 8006.77 INR
lets say its not. and instead the exchange rate was 56,000 gets 7435.81 INR
3.b) hoping that the receivers of 0.12688121 is the highest indian exchange rate of 60,300 the recipient gets 7656.97 INR
lets say its not. and instead the exchange rate was 56,000 gets 7110.95 INR


an $ to ₹ via btc gets you ₹7110-₹8006 yet forex says they should only get ₹6795

but yes other way round ₹6795($100 forex value) wont get you anywhere near $100 via bitcoin
but then you can always trade rupee for dollar and then buy bitcoin. rather the rupee->bitcoin direct
and ofcourse because you can make a profit. you can sell that bitcoin for rupee and repeat the process until the price settles down due to arbitrage (india gains more supply)

eg
receives ₹7110 to then forex exchange for $104
buy bitcoin with $104  -> ₹7390
receives ₹7390 to then forex exchange for $108
buy bitcoin with $108  -> ₹7670
19473  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SegWit, are we sure about this? on: November 16, 2016, 10:29:04 PM
SegWit, are we sure about this? I'm embarrassed that I'm a little nervous.  Dose Bitcointalk have any doubts or are you guys pumped for SegWit?

As I got it from from the SegWit benefits (namely, from he part which I don't feel completely lost at), this update allows new nodes to raise the block size limit to about 4 MB (now it is 1 MB). If I'm not mistaken, larger blocks allow to accommodate more transactions, most likely 4 times the amount as of now.

you got it wrong..
thats 4mb of data.. not 4x transactions.

the baseblock is still 1mb... and still limits capacity..

which if utilising segwit converts to about a maximum expectation of about 1.8mb of complete transaction data at best.

expect the average ~2500 transactions per block now. to be ATBEST ~4500 transactions.

the 4mb total weight is 1mb base and 3mb separate section(partly used by segwit signatures(the 0.8mb accounted for in the underline above))
the rest of the 2.2mb empty buffer space which core are allowing is not for more transactions. but other mundane data and features later on.

later on when new features are added.
it will still be ~4500 transactions but room to include payment codes and mundane data in that transaction.
eg
legacy 1mb= txid - inputs - outputs - value - signature  = total 1mb of 1mb for 2500tx
segwit 1mb= txid - inputs - outputs - value... 0.8mb -Witnesstxid - signature  = total 1.8mb of 4mb for 4500tx
future 1mb= txid - inputs - outputs - value... 0.8mb -Witnesstxid - signature... 2.2mb otherfeatures = total total 4mb of 4mb for 4500tx

you wont see the red (baseblock) change to allow more than 1mb.

though many would wish for:
segwit 2mb= txid - inputs - outputs - value... 1.5mb -Witnesstxid - signature  = total 3.5mb of 4mb for 9000tx
future 2mb= txid - inputs - outputs - value... 1.5mb -Witnesstxid - signature... 0.5mb otherfeatures = total total 4mb of 4mb for 9000tx

but that would require core to join a logical consensus and not back out and prevent that.. with something like 'we paid for the consensus round table to discuss possible bips, we organised who gets to attend. we even called it consensus, but when we turned up we pretended to just be janitors that cant code a solution so that after the agreement we didnt have to do what had been agreed at the consensus discussion'
19474  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [Bitcoin In India] | Future of Bitcoin is in Danger among 1.25 Billion people. on: November 16, 2016, 09:43:23 PM
just checked out other indian sellars on local bitcoins

then checked out more centralized exchanges
localbitcoins seems to be at ~59,000
centralized exchanges ~56,000
your own listing ~60,300

seems its only you that is the highest, and your complaining about how high it is..
maybe connect to the centralized exchanges buy some at 56,000-57,000 and sell at 56,900-57,900 for a 1% profit(after cost).
instead of 60,300 which is a 7-8% profit

then based on international trends. the price would appear as only a 15% rise instead of a 23% rise.
you could also go deper into the arbitrage game and see if you can get more then $740 for less than 56,000INR and be able to get more btc, for less.
and if you stick to a 1% profit you can become an even better offer to people at even less than the 15% method i first suggested or the 23% your currently offering



but i have a question for you. totally separate from the exchange rate..
i want your opinion on the utility of bitcoin in india

knowing using.. yes, just using bitcoin is an 7cent(american) 4.76(INR) tx fee
do you see that nearly 5INR per transaction seems more then just annoying to spend?

would you think that going higher then 5INR per use can lead to bigger barriers of use, than any temporary price drama of exchanges.
EG would you use bitcoin to buy an apple from one grocery store, a drink from another grocery store and pay lets say 3 hours lablour to buy some clothes in another store. if it cost you 5INR per transactions.

i genuinely am interested in the reply to your opinion about the 5INR tx fee
19475  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Over 100 Migrant Workers Test Blockchain Remittance in Thailand on: November 16, 2016, 09:23:37 PM
transparancy
no "fee":
but the middleman profit is in the exchange spread, users have to settle for the exchange rate handed to them which can be very different than what they expect.(much like localbitcoins exchange rate offers have different values)
its like not having to tip your waitress anymore but your coffee is now 18% more expensive as standard menu price

a co-founder:
can you trust a guy with this smile?

19476  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UNICEF has invested in a South African blockchain startup on: November 16, 2016, 09:12:38 PM
unicef gives money to african company https://9needs.net
african company gives money to a company http://consent.global/our-team

consent.global are using a blockchain that is part of the hyperledger(banker blockchain), but used for identity, not "value"

nothing bitcoin related.. moving on

Meaning it is only as an application of blockchain fot identification. Just like labeling them on the blackchaion? There are already many application of blockchain ranging from medicine,transportation,business and banks.It is good that it is being utilized.

not really..
blockchain is not a top notch security thing alone.. in short its just the same as "table relationships" in terms of the old database mechanisms.
most of the blockchains are not using strong hashing algo to secure the blocks(tables) they are not using PoW either.
nor will they be fully public or distributed openly.

its just an excuse to have tax rightoffs to appear up to date. much like updating a company logo every 10 years.
from a users point of view not much will change.

after all if it was near impossible to get a doctor to sign a piece of paper to certify birth in certain places in africa.. being digital wont change the real world problem. something still needs signed whether paper or digital. so these services still have the real world problem that simple paper could not solve. because paper or computer was not the problem.. going digital has only removed the need of paper, but not solved why paper certification failed.(hint remote villages/home births where doctors are not readily available).
19477  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UNICEF has invested in a South African blockchain startup on: November 16, 2016, 07:35:32 PM
unicef gives money to african company https://9needs.net
african company gives money to a company http://consent.global/our-team

consent.global are using a blockchain that is part of the hyperledger(banker blockchain), but used for identity, not "value"

nothing bitcoin related.. moving on

Let's be a bit more optimistic, Franky1  Wink They did say, “I believe that there is a very near future where we will be using blockchain, the
bitcoin blockchain maybe
, other distributed ledgers, to do central operational tasks,” ... I think they might be testing the water to see
what technology will take off and which technology will suit their needs.  Grin .... I hope they chose Bitcoin.

9needs are in the need of medical/identity databases, not a funding platform.
they obviously have a banking partner (barclays africa) so bank accounts and international funding is not the issue. their needs are about medical and identity.

as for bitcoin africa.. 7cents in america.. is worth alot of sweat and tears in africa.. bitcoin has priced itself out of third world countries already due to the transaction fee alone being a barrier of entry to bitcoin.

as for africa's financial need
mpesa is cheaper
mpesa is more user friendly
mpesa is more accessible
bitcoin has become something that is no longer better than the old africa fiat system or current mpesa system. dont expect much bitcoin action in africa.

its why hyperledger (sidechains/LN) is the bait and switch for the african unbanked. just a shame that it will not settle back to bitcoin, but instead divert to hyperledger for the third world users.
ofcourse africa needs blockchain ID.. how else will a future cheap hyperledger do its KYC checks

i am optimistic about bitcoin. i am just a realist and aware of the adversaries to bitcoin.
i dont just sit back and take one for the team(blockstream) and have "hope" the team will rain their silky "liquid"(another blockstream alt) over us to give bitcoin more utility.

too many people sit on their hand and let bitcoin lose its ethos and lose its open nature and freedom of use/innovation, waiting for something inspiring to happen
19478  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SegWit, are we sure about this? on: November 16, 2016, 07:19:05 PM
Does SegWit introduce known vulnerabilities? I imagine we can loosely say "maybe" for any change, but is there a pretty concrete risk associated with its code? Or are these just residual, vague concerns despite the peer review and testing to date?

oh you do know that 0.13.1 (released) is not fully segwit active. you will be required to download yet another version when active to actually use a segwit wallet features.

and then...

changing your funds from lagacy keypairs to new HD segwit compatible seeded addresses has risks
eg exchange/merchants needing to replace everyones deposit addresses and reaudit funds

changes to RPC calls has risks

this is why i laugh when people are screaming to just run segwit on mainnet and "trust" the devs have reviewed it. though only as an altcoin (testnet/segnet) not as a bitcoin mainnet node

dont expect smart people to run it blindly. they will all do independant tests. move funds, audit funds warn customers of different deposit addresses..

in short dont expect anything to change by christmas, or expect ~4500 instead of ~2500 transaction before spring.. well lets call it summer before anything actually starts to be noticable
19479  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SegWit, are we sure about this? on: November 16, 2016, 07:00:00 PM

he's reading from a script. not speaking from his heart.
like someone is telling him what to say.



now lets see gmaxwell talk about his companies agenda when someone mentions bitcoin having a dictating leader.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SeHNXdJCtE

"for wallet behavior, clients non normative stuff, yes sure go fork, please go fork, stop bothering me." (context of the community wanting him to join consensus, and him saying no)

"we are vulnerable to people wanting to jam bitcoin, either traditional money system or another cryptocurrency system" (context of dictatorship control)

and ofcourse gmaxwell loves his altcoins(monero) aswell as being paid to make hyperledger(bankers cryptocurrency system) and being part of the group that owns bitcoincore, bitcoinj XT, knots green address, bloq and many more bitcoin wallets



when the horses mouth(maxwell) is telling you that if you want change that is not dictated by those paid by bankers, requires forking off to an altcoin to get momentum.. you start to see the problem
What you are describing is what I and others call a bilaterial hardfork-- where both sides reject the other.
I tried to convince the authors of BIP101 to make their proposal bilateral

bitcoins single most best security feature is not the blockchain or PoW. its consensus.
the funny thing is gmawell hates consensus in bitcoin but loves it and concentrating on in in hyperledger
the funny thing is gmawell hates dymantic blocksize in bitcoin but loves it and concentrating on in in monero

funny how he pretends to say it keeps him up at night(context of banker takeover). yet he could always resign from blockstream and stop playing with altcoins and just do something positive for the bitcoin community. but im guessing he sleeps like a comforted baby and to use his words is looking forward to "the experiment failing".

he has lost all care for bitcoin and is happy in the banker camp of hyperledger who are slowly taking over and gaining ground with having ownership of well over 51% of code


as for segwit. its november 16th and after core said it needs 18 months for any other big thing to beactivated.. core are saying segwit by christmas. with code only pblicly usable ON BITCOINS MAINNET!! for a couple weeks.

as for the malleability fix.
does it fix double spends. nope. RBF, CPFP now allows double spends
did it ever have an issue for LN. nope because LN is a dual signing process. so a tx cannot just be manipulated after broadcast to then override the first tx. due to it needing second party signing on the second manipulated tx. thus the dual signing alone countered that.

as for linear/quadratic fix.
is there ever a need to have 1000 signatures in one tx? um no.. so limiting sigops could have solved it.

as for the 2mb debate.
is setwit preventing bloat to be well under 2mb. nope. it can go upto 4mb due to enough buffer space for payment codes and other features. BUT still hindering the transaction capacity growth.
yep 1.8mb block for ~4500 is the new expectation. the other 2.3mb buffer is for mondane non transaction capacity bloat features like confidential payment codes and mundate data to pair to a hyperledger sidechain
19480  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UNICEF has invested in a South African blockchain startup on: November 16, 2016, 03:11:10 PM
unicef gives money to african company https://9needs.net
african company gives money to a company http://consent.global/our-team

consent.global are using a blockchain that is part of the hyperledger(banker blockchain), but used for identity, not "value"

nothing bitcoin related.. moving on
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