that calculation is at 2015/2016 calculations. (motherboard.vice article wrote march 2016 using data from before that date)
here is an update using hashrate of this week
today's hashrate converts to at most 200,000 S9 ASICS (<2.6m Thash)
at 1.3kwh per asic =260000kwh (260mw)
asia's 5cent electric = $13,000 an hour USA's 10cent electric = $26,000 an hour UK's 20cent electric= $52,000 an hour
asia's 5cent electric = $312,000 a day USA's 10cent electric = $624,000 a day UK's 20cent electric= $1,248,000 a day
asia's 5cent electric = $113,880,000 a year USA's 10cent electric = $227,760,000 a year UK's 20cent electric= $455,520,000 a year
enjoy
by the way UK miners are rare.. so world combined electric cost per year is between $113m-$227m much less than last years estimate
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first you can get total balance of the address here https://blockchain.info/q/addressbalance/<insert address> this will give you balance in satoshis. so divide it by 100,000,000 to get how many bitcoin you have and then you can get the dollar price of a whole bitcoin https://blockchain.info/q/24hrpriceand do the math to get dollar value of balance balance * price then you do the math of your target (100 / target) * dollar balance and then use any common website progress bar code for the code that the front end (user) will see
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blockchains have been around alot longer then people think. but how satoshi utilised it made it innovative.
kind of like wheels have been around thousands of years. but how the first combustion engine maker utilised it made vehicles revolutionary(as the wheels and round turning cogs/gears concept inside engine)
so although (when you peal off all the add-on features satoshi patched together PoW, hashing, transaction cryptography, etc..) the blockchain concept is very simple and not revolutionary (data linked to other data(blocks of data chained to other blocks)).. blockchain does open up a new direction of possibilities.
so is blockchain innovation yes so is blockchain revolutionary no
so is bitcoin innovation yes so is bitcoin revolutionary yes
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I have to say this , I start to agree with you more and more.
For example every node sets their maximum block size they can handle, and then the lowest common denominator, or the median will be used as block size.
So if there are 10 nodes for example and they set respectively: 1 2 1 5 17 3 6 8 1 1
Then the median: 2.5 mb block can be set, that will satisfy most nodes.
median.. hell no.. for instance if it was median. 4 out of 10 would be fut off and not syncing. what it would be is as it already is.. is the common least denominator meaning using your numbers it would stick to 1.. (like today we already have a few nodes at 2->16 but imagine people slightly adjusted numbers as time went on EG 1.2 2 1.2 5 17 3 6 8 1.3 1.6 pools will now make blocks at 1.2 then EG 1.5 2 1.5 5 17 3 6 8 1.5 1.6 pools will now make blocks at 1.5 then EG 1.7 2 1.7 5 17 3 6 8 1.7 1.7 and each time.. EVERYONE is happy or for instance if there were more results than just 10 (eg over 5000) 1.2 2 1.2 5 17 3 6 8 1.3 1.6 1 2 1.2 5 17 3 6 8 1.3 1.6 where 95% wanted 1.2 min but there was 5% holding back at 1. then pools would weigh up the need for more buffer vs orphan risk (5% lagger) and then decide to push on for more and leave the lagger behind having to tweak their setting up to be part of the network or left unsyncing (standard 95% consensus even core/blockstream think is acceptable) However Segwit should still be implemented. Segwit has other features that are important. And after that passes ,we could try to implement this one.
the benefits of segwit are exaggerated. the most foolish thing is letting someone make a TX with 20,000sigops. and then cry that tx's using many sigops take longer to process.. logical solution is restrict sigops so that bloated tx's dont take up too much blockspace, dont use as many sigops, which also cuts down on processing time.
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Ok. i'd just love to see someone against block size rise discuss with you, I'd learn a lot many have tried rebuttling me, but just used insults and not logic, not stats, not real life scenarios. but yes. dont take anyones info on face value and run your own scenarios. the short gist of blocksizes is that with dynamic blocks (node users set the blocksize buffer setting themselves) anything under that setting is acceptable. EG some people already have theirs set at 2mb, 4mb and up. and they are running on the network accepting (1mb)blocks now. perfectly fine.. no issues using consensus (feature in bitcoin) if the majority flagged a certain level. then pools would flag a level they are happy with too and it grows only at a rate the majority are happy with. so the rational minded people know it wont jump to gigabytes over night but natural pace that nodes can cope with. after all if they cant cope, they wont flag desire for it. and any increase wont activate, due to consensus not being reached only issue is core are withholding an implimentation of that sort of feature to allow users to self adjust. thus we are stuck at 1mb until those running core are spoonfed whatever core devs want to give their users. so take the blocksize doomsday rhetorics with a large pinch of salt, it just core devs (blockstream paid + lots of unpaid interns) holding things back, because they prfer pushing users into centralist contracts where they can make money charging fee's and revoking payments
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I suppose the network bandwidth is the weakest link here.
In that case, what if the block size increase will be pegged to half of the global average bandwidth increase.
So if bandwidth increases by 5% yearly, then we can increase block size by 2.5%. How about that?
what if i told you that using dynamic rules AND consensus.. nodes only flag desire to increase when they can handle it. and it only increases if the majority can handle it. they all set their own max buffer flag, and blocksizes of larger amounts only grow to the scale the majority can happily cope with. meaning it will not surpass what people can cope with, because if larger sizes cant be coped with by nodes they wont flag desire for.. we dont need devs to spoonfeed what they feel/they desire, when the network itself can do it. devs have already said 8mb is safe but they prefer their 4mb weight. (compared to their old fake doomsday rhetoric of 2mb was bad) so there is no reason to keep the baseblock at 1mb
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if you are antpool/bitmain/bitfury etc.. the cost is zero.. thanks to their retail sales of asics.. well kinda
at most its just the electric price which is ~$225 per 13thash asic for 6months. but this can also be offset thanks to their retail sales too
this is because the retail price they sell their ASICS to others is 4-5x the cost of manufacturing an ASIC. so for every asic sold antpool can keep 3-4 asics themselves or have 1 asic themselves and spare funds for electric, wages and shelter lease.
but if you are in the west having to buy an asic and pay the electric
first its $2100 for 13thash asic, (pre christmas it was just $1600/asic) then the electric, shelter lease, salary and the PSU needs to be added
but first the electric if you are in the US its ~$450 for 6 months electric per asic (totalling ~$2700 all included for 6 month running time or ~$3100 for a year) if you are in the UK its ~$900 for 6 months electric per asic (totalling ~$3100 all included for 6 month running time or ~$3500 for a year)
some maths was done before christmas that calculated it would take 1 asic 6 months to get 1btc. so if asic manufacturers were to pay electric(~$225(add a bit more for wage/shelter leasing)), then $300 sounds right. thanks to the freebie asic they get due to their retail business
but.. here is the but.. the hashrate competition and the difficulty has changed since then. antpool alone opened a new facility and their hashrate has jumped considerably, as has the network difficulty.
the network difficulty has jumped ~29% since previous calculations of predicted 6month for 1btc/asic.. the network hashrate has jumped ~30% since previous calculations of predicted 6month for 1btc/asic..
factoring in other things. like knowing hashrate/difficulty changes, at 6 months now only gets you 0.89btc and takes a further 2 and a half months to get 1btc
and yes i done calculations that step down the income per fortnight dependant on difficulty/hashrate competition variation. where those fortnightly stepping down income, really affect income as time passes.
summary for asic manufacturers its between 0-$400/btc if including electric leases etc (compared to prechristmas $300) for asic consumers its between $2900(US)-$3500(uk) (compared to prechristmas $2100(US)-$2600(uk))
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based on the million tx's (mine stopped at 1,048,575 results)
average tx confirmed in 40mins 30mins average tx size 458bytes average tx fee 36892sat-41750sat (depending on if you include or exclude the 0fee tx's in the average)
average fee per byte is 91sat/byte max fee per byte of range 34883 sat/byte min fee per byte of range 0 -- as for the max fee.. either the source data has an error or someone lastweek paid ALOT for one of their transaction
max tx size 98888 bytes (98.9KB) min tx size 170 bytes -- as for the max bytes..either the source data has an error or someone lastweek had a near 99kb tx(filling 10% of block with 1tx)
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Because now I don't understand why so many people are against size block rise,
when 12 paid blockstream centralist devs hand out scripts to their 90 interns who desire to impress the paid guys in the hopes the interns get a job by showing loyalty. and each of them start going out and repeating the "blocksize rise is doomsday" rhetoric.. many people believe, not because its true but because they are hearing the same story from 100 different people. so they dont even bother to individually investigate, research or run scenarios. but accept the spoonfed info on face value due to "trust". afterall their mindset is '100 people cant be wrong'.. mark twain: " a lie can travel around the world, while the truth is putting on its shoes"you can usually spot the scripts. when they throw out words like "we are conservative" or "go fork your altcoin" to anyone thats not core friendly its like blockstream are taking a lesson from mass media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZVv2AOCnaAhttps://youtu.be/jH8dejYGa5A?t=36sfunny part is, this rhetoric thats passed around lacks stats or real life data. but people will sheep follow just out of trust that if 10 people say the same thing, even if there are no stats to back it up. it must be true they even went out of their way to say that although satoshi said 32mb is ok.. the chinese firewall has issues far below 32mb. the problem with that theory is that, the chinese firewall does not have issues. infact chinese pools have stratum servers outside the firewall that hold the actual block data and only need to send a small hash (few bytes) to ASIC farms.. thus ASIC farms inside china are not even handling the real blockchain data anyway(no ASIC has a hard drive). thus killing off the chinese firewall theory/doomsday rhetoric.. yep the 8mb number is to do with the chinese firewall. but the chinese pools have mitigated that risk. though for now the community are only seeking 2mb-4mb so we can delve deeper into the 8mb theory at a later date. but all in all the community think baby steps is safe. which we all agree.. even as far back as 2015 we all thought we settled our differences and agreed that 2mb was fine. but.. its the blockstream centralists and their sheep that are the ones throwing out the gigabyte blocks by midnight doomsday, not anyone else (with atleast half a brain)
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It's good there are some people who actually do such stuff. And if they do free seminars for people they must have good sponsors which also means that there are rich influential people who are interested in spreading the knowledge about btc. Maybe, they gain something from it. Maybe, they just think it is something people have to know (like culture or math). In my 3rd world country I studied at Technological lyceum and I believe right after my graduation some people came to the school and did some small introductory seminars for high school students about btc and it being profitable. That is nice, I guess.
learn enough about BTC and then you can become the lecturer. you can make a nice income. but worth doing a few small seminars for free to get your name known locally first.. its how andreas antanopolis started off and now he is making a career out of it, fully funded by bitcoin.. paid for by conference ticket purchases (thus even organising events is no big cost to get lecturers in)
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Damn...
From Franky1 I read the first arguments against LN in a while... I never went deep into those technical questions, mainly because it's very hard to find objective source of data, most threads talking about it are either for or against it but rarely objective. Though you're talking about block size rise, saying consensus will make it able to grow only to an acceptable size for the network.
One question though: 1/ Don't you think it can be only a short term solution as if I remember the maths correctly (which might not be the case), if it's easy to double the size of blocks, considering current adoption rate it would require to double size something like every 6 months no?
6 months? based on?... oh wait the theory that bitcoin will have 7 billion users by midnight tonight. (blockstream centralists doomsday distractions) also core themselves now deem 8mb safe but prefer 4mb in mid 2016 wait to stay below safe.. but while they stifle legacy transactions by halting them at 1mb.. the rest of the community see that the communities compromise of 2mb last year should have been allowed all along now that blockstream backtracked. if we went with your 6month growth imaginary target, lets throw that into a scenario: so imagine 2mb happened mid 2017. we can go to 3mb start of 2018. 4mb mid 2018.... and re-evaluate the 'safety' of 5mb, 6mb, 7mb. 8mb.. which would be 2 years after core admit 8mb ok but 4mb super safe. funny thing is: millions of people UPLOAD livestreams without issue. requiring 750k bit/s upload. =93.75k byte/s =56250k byte/10mins = 56m byte every 10 minutes even satoshi himself knew this in 2009 but went with a 32mb hidden ultimate limit concerning the max data / 'messages' bitcoin would transmit, to avoid packet loss. but later in 2009 added 1mb rule. not due to bandwidth and not due to bloat.. but due to spam tx mitigationyep bitcoin can handle more. but core want to limit tx count purely to limit tx count.. nothing more funny thing is: even bottomline computing that could handle bitcoin in 2009-2016 = Raspberry Pi1 but things have moved on since 2009 raspberry Pi3 and also bitcoins own efficiency tweaks (libsecp256k1, etc) make current bottom line tech able to handle 25x legacy(old) data specs.. as for the storage of data.. do i need to paste in the fingernail size of the last 8 years of bitcoin data (128gb microsd) and do i need to paste in a hard drive thats under $100 that can store much much much much more
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Reported: should be in the altcoins section
better to word it in the same mindset the blockstream centralists try calling anything else not a core implementation an alt 1. its not bitcoincore, its LND, so it must be an altcoin - use their own stupid and failed rebuttles against them but then use rational reasons 1. N stands for network, meaning its a separate network 2. it just has "copies" of bitcoin transactions.. but is not sitting in a bitcoin implementations mempool or blockchain.. it later copies and pastes their separate network data back to bitcoin days/weeks later. meaning bitcoin 'compatible' not directly part of bitcoin itself 3. its not a pure bitcoin compatible separate network. they are hinting to add another prefix to multisigs from just '3' to being 'btc:' to later add other alts to be compatible.. hint LTC is going to be a sidechain. (they are already prepping LTC with their segwit tests, im guessing gmaxwells monero will be there too)
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Forget it Frankie - that negroloid is a well known shill for BlockCore. He is moronic in all his arguments. You can't feed logic bombs to morons.
Carlton is a fucking cheerleader who sucks Core's dicks every night.
agreed to both statements.. but my messages usually point at one person but the context is usually aimed at helping a broader audience learn something at the same time. if i wanted to reply to only the person i quote in, id do it in PM
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also to note. i can sense a rebuttle by the centralists that love LN will pretend LN is not centralist because of the hop ability eg if thre were 4 separate channels.. A<->B B<->C C<->D D<->E but A decided to pay E one day, centralists will hide their end goal by saying a pays b who pays c who pays d who pays e the issue is that B will refuse to pay C with A's funds because it costs B a 'small fee' to pay C the issue is that C will refuse to pay D with A's funds because it costs C a 'small fee' to pay D the issue is that D will refuse to pay E with A's funds because it costs D a 'small fee' to pay E in short for A to pay E.. A has to pay 4x the LN fee to cover B,C and D's costs. but if A only wants to buy things from B.. A only pas 1x fee which is what the centralists want. to commercialise it where someone in the middle gets paid to manage swaps. which they know will end up as a star network A<->C B<->C D<->C E<->C where it saves on hops because everything now loops through C so now A paying E only costs 2x.. but if A only wants to buy things from C.. A only pas 1x fee but now C earns a tx fee from everyone this is the HUB manager the centralists love so much... also known as paypal2.0 that blockstream want to be to repay their investors edit thanks sportis for showing blockstream centralist Rusty Russel (main LN dev) admitting the Hub requirement also to add... check out the neon red flat words in the github to see all the signs "hypershachains", where the hub owns all the seeds to revoke codes...... seriously, getting very centralistic there blockstream! cant deny it now "funding manager" "servers"
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here is a great idea for LN devs.. only let CSV revoked funds go back to the origin.. meaning back into the LN multisig to open a new channel... never to be used to divert funds into a second persons personal address as a 'punishment'
that way it cant be abused by scammers to rip people off.. but instead funds go back into contracts to get a new mutual agreement again
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It's mostly /r/btc trolls claiming that lightning network will centralize bitcoin. Meanwhile those are the same guys that are okay with raising the blocksize to ridiculously high levels in order to compete at a global level effectively turning bitcoin into paypal 2.0. They dont know shit about bitcoin. They think big blocksizes are a solution.
those wishing to increase the blocksize are not suggesting ridiculous sizes infact if a node cant handle it they wont flag desire for it. meaning it wont activate consensus for it.. thus it will only grow at a natural acceptable rate. so eat that logic bomb, its a feature built into bitcoin.. its called consensus its also LN hubs that become paypal2.0 where customers have to get the hub manager to sign off on funds locked in with the hub manager. EG walmart will be paypal2.0, starbucks will be paypal2.0. need i remind you that these hubs will impose >48hour 'funds unavailable' maturity locks even after confirm.. (CLTV: like how block rewards are locked for 100 confirms.. like banks hold funds for 3-5 days) need i remind you that while waiting in maturity funds can be revoked (csv: like bank and paypal chargebacks) might be worth you doing your research. wake up to the truth and not the distracting reverse psychology scripts you read and repeat without open minded and critical thought. everything negative which blockstream try pointing at a different direction, are actually actions they do themselves
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so no history = not a blockchain no consensus = no independent auditing in short and simple terms its just a open google spreadsheet of balances anyone can view and download.... now lets address the lies and lack of understanding the OP has. 1. a bitcoin ASIC miner does not have a hard drive, meaning an ASIC is not hurt by the bloat of the blockchain or amount of transactions. a POOL stores the blockchain and hands a HASH to the ASIC's. it does not matter how many transactions are on a block, ASICS dont see or get hurt by the bloat of transactions. in short bitcoin miners are unaffected by data bloat. 2. bitcoins 8 years of tx data can fit on a fingernail overall this statement from fastercoin sums up the backward thinking As the Blockchain becomes more and more commercially infeasible, Fasterchain offers the Bitcoin community a superior alternative.
all i can see is some dude asking you to hand him your real bitcoin and then you can play around with his google spreadsheet balance. (no difference than MTGox balance or facebook credits). all while not even understanding how things actually work and while also throwing out FUD/scare stories that hold no merit.. seems unrevolutionary and very backward thinking.. boring. .. sorry if im just being frank
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What do you mean by the statement that (all?) altcoins are crapcoins? Do you literally mean that you think there's no room for a single alternative crypto-currency? All because they're taking the wind out of Bitcoins' sails?
name one that can be used at 300,000+ merchants. as for altcoins.. right now they are crapcoins. otherwise they would have already 'taken over' that said e should not cripple/halt bitcoins utility purely to give a crap coin an advantage. (EG G maxwell loves his monero but hates bitcoin, he cant wait for monero or the bankers hyperledger take the lead) im not saying in the future an altcoin may offer something better.. but we should not cripple bitcoins mainnet to win that future altcoin some fame
strange thing is that people want to cripple and halt bitcoins growth and remove its utility to directly be spent with 300,000+ merchants. purely to let a permissioned network (LN) or an altcoin(buzzword: sidechain) take over. all because of false fearful doomsdays that bitcoin needs to be 5000 miles away tomorrow, where forcing it to run now will kill bitcoin. so lets not even let bitcoin walk one step. bitcoin can get to its destination one step at a time.. dont doomsday the running at lightspeed rhetoric by midnight as an excuse to stop it from walking and growing everyday.
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You don't always buy BTC on exchange service.
When somebody sells bitcoin to someone or buy goods or services to someone, then There is no exchange involve if this is done from paper wallets to paper wallets.
Authorities can start investigating from what exchange the BTC were bought from but can they say that all the wallets in which the BTC transited are owned by the original BTC user on the exchange?
if you buy bitcoin with euros and withdraw to address A you move a->b you move b->c you move c->d you move d->e you can say that B was you buying something and B is a totally different person. meaning C, D and E should be left alone and not looked into. meaning you think your safe at point C-> but if they see E was later linked to you depositing funds into an exchange or you bought something privately that linked to your home address. then all of a sudden A,B,C,D,E are all linked to you and any movements of any funds in the future related any way to ABCDE has some relation to you. this is why people say only use an address once for example dont continually use C and D thinking only A and E are linked to your real life info you move a->b you move b->c you move c->d x->d d->f you move d->e not only would they consider F is now linked to you too, they would also wonder who X was and why X paid you, and then check backwards at where X got their funds to pay you
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OP post and linked article is another FUD topic made to scare people.
what the actual EU stuff concerns is EU FIAT handling exchanges.. <-read 3 times, have a coffee, read three times again until it sinks in
Euro handling exchanges, which need to be regulated anyway, need to follow regulations(logic.. touch their money follow their rules).
this is the same for any money business.
it is not something about european bitcoin users(that dont handle fiat for business use). it is not something about european developers making fullnodes it is not something about european developers making non fiat touching webwallets.
it is about EXCHANGES.
coin idol did not factually talk much about the EU statement and instead made a article where they just talk to other bitcoiners about their opinions.
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