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19501  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Proposal: Living Free on: November 10, 2016, 02:53:26 PM
sorry but the investment is a 35 room boat..
its not a country, its not a city its not even a town or village.. its just a bed&breakfast on water.

seriously these sea-steading campaigns are just trying to grab lots of money and not actually achieve any libertarian ideals.

$15m(150k sea-notes at $100 a pop) investment, but no-one is allowed to move there permanently..
you cannot declare citizenship of a boat unless you can prove you live there for atleast 6 months of a year or were born there.
thats the minimum requirements of having your own civilisation/citizenship.. and sorry to burst the bubble but not possible to even declare to be a independent 'country' with what the scheme is proposing.

its too obvious that its not a libertarian free-world, instead its just a VC money grab and then offer 20% discount on one nights sleep in the bed&breakfast.

im guessing the guys behind the scheme were probably previously in the doomsday survival pack business and ran out of subscribers, so are now trying to sell another scheme that has no real-world altering solution

19502  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The FCA Is Testing Bitcoin Cross-Border Transactions on: November 10, 2016, 02:25:30 PM
That's amazing news for the people in the UK to be able to be able to perform 7200 times faster cross-border transactions through SpecialFX. This would be a great alternative to SWIFT which would generally take longer to send transactions abroad or remittances. I hope the 69 firms who signed up to Epiphytes sandbox allows them to experiment well and good before hand cheap and faster transactions combined with p2p Bitcoin. If they make sure of a similar offchain scaling channel like the Lightning network it would ensure no delay in transactions and at lower costs.

lol UK has never had much of an issue with sending funds slowly/abroad anyway. the UK uses something branded "faster payment" which is alot faster then then the old BACS/SWIFT method.

again the article is falsely trying to link to bitcoin and is not actually showing off any new features. in essence its just a advertisement for a sort of westernunion2.0 which will be part of hyperledger. where its throwing in buzzwords in the attempt of getting VC funding..

in short, its nothing special and this topic should be moved to the altcoin or services section. kind of strange how a mod has not done this already
19503  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How bitcoin protects against geopolitical risk on: November 10, 2016, 12:06:52 PM
We are not protected from geopolitical risk. If China bans Bitcoin < Political decision > then you will see a massive drop in the price. If the USA implement strict regulations, you will see a drop in the price. So we are not immune to the influence of these poor decisions being made by these governments.

We do protect fiat currency holders when their currency depreciates, due to poor political governance, but Bitcoin has it's own problems too. 

nothing you have said relates to the distribution and security of bitcoin. and ultimately if the only impact of geopolitics is the price.. then good.
bitcoin cannot control the price. and if you understand bitcoins ethos, a particular fiat price should not matter. its just temporary drama

if the price drops. celebrate.. its a discount day.. buy some more
if the price rises. celebrate.. its a profit day.. sell some more
19504  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The FCA Is Testing Bitcoin Cross-Border Transactions on: November 10, 2016, 11:29:48 AM
The UK’s Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) is currently testing clearing and settlement solutions using Bitcoin. The financial services regulatory commission has been working with digital currency operation Epiphyte, a firm that settles cross-border payments using blockchain technology.

https://news.bitcoin.com/fca-bitcoin-cross-border-transactions/

But are they actually using Bitcoin ?

"Epiphyte will work with the FCA to provide cost efficient and secure transactions, using a peer-to-peer protocol like Bitcoin."

if its like.... then its not exactly.

it either is or is not bitcoin, there is no such thing as "like bitcoin"

reading the whole thing. its just another sidechain that is getting tethered to hyperledger
19505  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The FCA Is Testing Bitcoin Cross-Border Transactions on: November 10, 2016, 09:00:28 AM
i was about to say.. its just a pre-test to then be part of hyperledger..(bankers private blockchain with sidechain implementation)
the secret is in the "in spring 69 firms got together".. sounds like hyperledgers spring announcement to me..


seems the article is throwing in as many crypto buzzwords it can to get the company highlighted for some VC funding.
for instance why throw in a mention of ethereum or able to work with any blockchain if it was to be just a bitcoin using tech.

the reason... it wont be using bitcoin in the future
19506  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could there be a law on stolen bitcoins? on: November 09, 2016, 10:00:44 PM
the current system of law covers theft by anything physical and digital..

the problem..
identifying the culprit.

no law can remedy this, because no scammer would follow the law by identifying himself in the first place.

in short. if you dont want to get scammed dont use shady blackmarket sites. dont hand funds to people you dont know enough about to slap them with a wet fish if they wrong you.

19507  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin: The Black Swan on: November 09, 2016, 04:07:21 PM
again have to disagree with:
When all your hardware is centralized in one location (regardless of where that location is) when it is compromised, destroyed, or stolen such hardware will be rendered useless and will add zero value to the system.

Spread out the mining operation.

it is spread out!, it is not in one location. please research..


as for the other parts of your message. i agree..
bitcoin should not be reliant on FIAT. alot of economists have suggested that bitcoin should be measured against "cost of living" directly
EG
1btc= Cost of living index 500 today..  (loaf of bread= 1.65)
1btc= Cost of living index 502 two months time due to deflation.(loaf of bread= 1.65) yay more bread per btc
1btc= Cost of living index 499 due to speculative price crash.(loaf of bread= 1.65) nooo less bread per btc

where fiat (of any country) has no mention.. Cheesy  but the price of bread can easily be linked


meaning buying goods and services, getting paid a wage is straight forward, easily accountable and even non-mathematicians know that X bitcoin pays for X hours labour/goods.. where the headache becomes calculating the fiat as a third layer away, not first layer from the 'valuation' .

meaning in very laymans terms..
bitcoin -> labour/goods -> fiat
not
bitcoin -> fiat -> labour/goods

but as many know.. stupid speculators only care about fiat because once they have profited they dump bitcoin. all they want is fiat profits(hoards) not bitcoin hoards.

if we can change to a cost of living exchange rate we get rid of the fiat lovers and start seeing bitcoin as having independant value directly linked to cost of goods/living.
19508  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Debunking popular myths about Bitcoin on: November 09, 2016, 02:26:38 PM
4. Blockchain.info is the offical wallet of Bitcoins Smiley

Many people believe it just because the wallet's name is Blockchain.

About the BTC illegality. Where I live it's not illegal or legal, the law just doesn't know what to say about it. But some banks here block the transaction when you try to convert BTC into local money on exchange and send the money to it, when they distrust about crypto-currencies money.

I am thinking about adding another widespread myth about the Blockchain wallet, namely, that it is the safest wallet between the web-wallets such as Coinbase and Xapo (as far as it can be called that), but I'm still sitting on the fence, so to speak, and haven't yet made up my mind whether this myth is worth adding to the list...

What do guys/gals think?

blockchain.info official web wallet no
blockchain.info popular web wallet yes
19509  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Debunking popular myths about Bitcoin on: November 09, 2016, 01:55:51 PM
4. Blockchain.info is the offical wallet of Bitcoins Smiley

Many people believe it just because the wallet's name is Blockchain.

About the BTC illegality. Where I live it's not illegal or legal, the law just doesn't know what to say about it. But some banks here block the transaction when you try to convert BTC into local money on exchange and send the money to it, when they distrust about crypto-currencies money.
Lol, i always found this they mentioned that blockchain is official wallet, well if there such an official wallet it must Bitcoin Core which is created by Satoshi Nakamoto honestly i've never heard satoshi declare that Bitcoin Core is official wallet.

About #1 i believe every country in this world using bitcoin either as a payment method or investment tool, however used bitcoin for transaction is illegal here but police won't arrest you if you hold or trade them like stock.

bitcoins ethos should be that there is no official wallet. there should always be a diverse choice of wallets to avoid control risks.
yes use terms like popular.. but saying 'official' is a failure of bitcoins ethos

also some notes:
satoshi made bitcoin-qt.
satoshi disappeared in 2010

bitcoin-core was not invented until 2013..
bitcoin core and bitcoin-QT are 2 vastly different codebases. so try not to attribute satoshi to be anything related to core. satoshi had no involvement in core.

also dont attribute the bitcoin-core devs to be highly linked to satoshi.
pieter wuille appeared 2013. gmaxwell appeared 2011.. both long after satoshi disappeared. there was no collaboration..

yes core is the popular choice. but should not be branded the official choice. no one should be an official of bitcoin otherwise the decentralized and diverse nature of bitcoins ethos will be removed.
19510  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin: The Black Swan on: November 09, 2016, 01:44:20 PM
i agree the ethos of bitcoin has changed, but i have to disagree with one point

-A decentralized virtual token that just so happens to have its mining operation basically centralized by a handful of Chinese miners.

here is why

bitcoins tech is distributed. even with the "china hash power" debate, people need to realise the tech and security behind the label of "chinese miner"

remember an asic miner is basically just a SHA calculator. it has no hard drive and does not hold the blockchain. it is the host pool that holds the blockchain, organises the transaction data and creates a hash. which is then sent out to the asics to simply to calculate a second hash(PoW) and send that second hash back to the host pool.

the two parts. pool vs asic do not need to be in the same physical location. nothing stops an asic farm hopping from a pool managed in china or iceland or georgia. its a split second activity to pool hop.

the asics can communicate with many different servers. if one goes offline another is instantly available and pool hopping is actually routine. so its not an issue.

in short. there are a few nodes sitting in different countries (with the actual bitcoin blockchain data). so if someone wanted to corrupt a node in china. asic miners will hop to the one in iceland, georgia, america or other country that has not been corrupted.

also it doesnt matter what skin colour a person managing a host pool. some chinese pools may have a website wrote in chinese but the tech support staff maintaining the nodes(plural) are working in an office in san fransisco or iceland and the nodes they maintain are in many countries.

i really hate all the distraction/racist posts about china and trying to falsely combine several different pools who each have several different servers in several countries, to some how be considered (wrongly) as one entity. simply because "its china".

this wrongful/misunderstood distraction is actually moving peoples awareness away from where the weaknesses actually are. which ofcourse is the nodes.
if the nodes are in majority running the same code, then diversity/independence is a threat no matter what country or no matter how many nodes there are..
EG if 95 of 100 nodes or 4750 of 5000 nodes has a bug.  it has no difference, they are all affected equally
you can have a million nodes, but if 950,000 are running the exact same software.. its no better then just having 20 nodes with 19 running the same software

saying there is a 51% threat due to geography, rather than understanding the technology/infrastructure is a big massive piece of FUD compared to 95% of nodes running one piece of the exact same software.

software needs to be diverse too.
there is nothing wrong with a 100% agreement of certain rules. but having just one base of code making that decision, isnt actually an agreement. its control

my concern is not about the "china" debate.. but more so who is controlling the code/rules of bitcoin on the actual nodes that are destributed
19511  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How bitcoin protects against geopolitical risk on: November 09, 2016, 01:33:08 PM
bitcoins tech is distributed. even with the "china hash power" debate, people need to realise the tech and security behind the label of "chinese miner"

remember an asic miner is basically just a SHA calculator. it has no hard drive and does not hold the blockchain. it is the host pool that holds the blockchain, organises the transaction data and creates a hash. which is then sent out to the asics to simply to calculate a second hash(PoW) and send that second hash back to the host pool.

the two parts. pool vs asic do not need to be in the same physical location. nothing stops an asic farm hopping from a pool managed in china or iceland or georgia. its a split second activity to pool hop.

the asics can communicate with many different servers. if one goes offline another is instantly available and pool hopping is actually routine. so its not an issue.

in short. there are a few nodes sitting in different countries (with the actual bitcoin blockchain data). so if someone wanted to corrupt a node in china. asic miners will hop to the one in iceland, georgia, america or other country that has not been corrupted.

also it doesnt matter what skin colour a person managing a host pool. some chinese pools may have a website wrote in chinese but the tech support staff maintaining the nodes(plural) are working in an office in san fransisco or iceland and the nodes they maintain are in many countries.

i really hate all the distraction/racist posts about china and trying to falsely combine several different pools who each have several different servers in several countries, to some how be considered (wrongly) as one entity. simply because "its china".

this wrongful/misunderstood distraction is actually moving peoples awareness away from where the weaknesses actually are. which ofcourse is the nodes.
if the nodes are in majority running the same code, then diversity/independence is a threat no matter what country or no matter how many nodes there are..
EG if 95 of 100 nodes or 4750 of 5000 nodes has a bug.  it has no difference, they are all affected equally
you can have a million nodes, but if 950,000 are running the exact same software.. its no better then just having 20 nodes with 19 running the same software

saying there is a 51% threat due to geography, rather than understanding the technology/infrastructure is a big massive piece of FUD compared to 95% of nodes running one piece of the exact same software.

software needs to be diverse too.
there is nothing wrong with a 100% agreement of certain rules. but having just one base of code making that decision, isnt actually an agreement. its control
19512  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: $1.4 Billion Invested in Bitcoin & Blockchain Investments on: November 09, 2016, 01:56:26 AM
Isn't there a fundamental difference between a public blockchain (bitcoin) and a private blockchain? Private blockchains are not really open ledgers and are a little different than blockchains that are independent of banks.

Yes and there is an argument that it would be cheaper and more efficient for the banks to use their current systems or use a database. Also why would the banks use a blockchain? That would mean that they would have to share their data to all the other banks. Do the banks really trust each other that much? What secures this private blockchain, is it also proof or work? I cannot imagine a real blockchain without proof of work.

its not Proof of Work(PoW), but Practical Byzantine Fault Tolerance (PBFT)
http://www.coindesk.com/digital-asset-new-details-hyperledger-blockchain-platform/
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Byzantine fault tolerance

Digital Asset also confirmed it would be utilizing a consensus system that offered an alternative to proof-of-work mining. The process, pioneered in bitcoin, uses a decentralized network of computers to secure the bitcoin blockchain and process transactions.

Digital Asset said Hyperledger includes a "prototype implementation" of the Practical Byzantine Fault Tolerance consensus module, which would serve as an alternative to the mining process.

"We are collaborating with many of the other members of the project on the consensus module to ensure there is a scalable, secure, Byzantine Fault Tolerant consensus protocol that can provide settlement finality for wholesale financial institutions," the release said.
http://www.coindesk.com/stellar-ripple-hyperledger-rivals-bitcoin-proof-work/
Quote
Each node publishes a public key. Any message coming through the node is signed by the node to verify its format. Once enough responses that are identical are reached, then you can agree that is a valid transaction.

the reason it is cheaper and better, is simple. they can sack their own internal security/auditors/investigators. by automating it they can reduce other security aspects needed in each bank branch and reduce the central servers needed at a head office to being just a few small computers dotted around the country.

but Practical Byzantine Fault Tolerance (PBFT) is in someways less secure than PoW, and also the hyper ledger will be missing some of the other 10 security features that make bitcoin bitcoin.
after all "blockchain" is just 1 out of 10.. 10% of the security feature that makes bitcoin. which is why it will only be a closed system to reduce some of the risks compared to what would be required if it was an open system
19513  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: $1.4 Billion Invested in Bitcoin & Blockchain Investments on: November 08, 2016, 09:44:19 PM
Current Bitcoin devs can't rapidly solve the growing pains of Bitcoin. If some well financed company like Chase bank or Wells Fargo decided to throw money at "Blockchain Technology" it sure as hell wouldn't take a couple of years to solve the block size issue.

the bitcoin-core devs ARE the ones coding hyperledger (bankers blockchain).
big banks HAVE throw money at the bitcoin devs.. and the devs HAVE extended the pains of attempted growth.. taking longer then a couple years to solve the blocksize issue.

go look
hyperledger blockstream
then look at where the funding is coming from.

as for the amount $1.4Bill.. pfft that is pennies to them. infact its nothing. literally a tax refund to them
put it this way, by them putting funds into it (as a tax lookhole(foundations/charities)). it costs them nothing yet they get to play with the funds after writing it off.
19514  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: $1.4 Billion Invested in Bitcoin & Blockchain Investments on: November 08, 2016, 05:53:58 PM
PwC talking about how much the financial industry is investing in blockchains..

short version blockstream <-> hyperledger
i wonder if greg maxwell, adamback, or the other cronnies are going to dublin this week to say some puff piece about their involvement
19515  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to make your Bitcoind node as relay on: November 08, 2016, 04:34:34 PM
by having connections to other nodes you are relaying data to them..

emphasis YOU ALREADY ARE A RELAY NODE. YOU ALREADY ARE PART OF THE NETWORK
thats what a FULL node is. something doing ALL the jobs required.
validating everything. relaying everything that is validated. rejecting/orphaning anything that is not valid.

by being a full node you are already doing what your asking to be done
19516  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Debunking popular myths about Bitcoin on: November 08, 2016, 10:28:47 AM
currency and money are 2 different things.

think of currency as the umbrella term. anything valued or exchanged is a currency

but money is a subcategory within the umbrella term that has its own definition/utility

bitcoin is a currency
bitcoin is not mainstream/ direct independent valuation of labour/goods to be defined as money
19517  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Debunking popular myths about Bitcoin on: November 08, 2016, 09:53:29 AM
OMG, you guys are so Stupid, it is beyond belief.

lol you need to do more research and expand your mind beyond the confines of your racist rhetoric.
you are trying a little too hard to push "china are bad guys" and not think of the technicals.

if governments stop chinese pools.. the pools simply move IP addresses in under 3 seconds. yep thats right these individual pools also have individual servers in different countries.
thus they dont care about politics in regards to bitcoin security
trying to presume that 1billion people are colluding together is a failure of understanding the technology and political risks.

all you are doing is trying to provide false distractions to hide where the real vulnerabilities of bitcoin are.
19518  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Debunking popular myths about Bitcoin on: November 08, 2016, 09:45:15 AM
Substitute Bitcoin in this text with foreign currency and will get semantically identical text. There are major currencies like dollar, euro, yuan, Swiss franc, but there are a lot more currencies that most people here don't even know the names of. For example, can you tell me the name of the national currency of Peru without looking into Wikipedia? But I could just as well claim that the Peruvian currency is not money anywhere beyond Peru since it is not considered a "standard medium of exchange" anywhere outside of this country. And so what?

And who is actually not fully grasping what money is?

facebook credits are facebooks currency.. but facebook credits are not money

the thing with money is that it has to be the main/major used medium of exchange by the populous that give it value, fully and direct knowing its value of labour vs goods without reliance on another currency to give it value.

bitcoin is not measured directly between labour and goods.
bitcoin is not mainstream
emphasis:
bitcoin is bartered rather than actually used as a stable value to measure the difference between labour and goods

until bitcoin can actually be utilised the way it should have been to have a direct connection to cost of living, its not a medium of exchange between labour and goods without having to rely on a more mainstream currency to then attribute value.

bitcoin has become too reliant on fiat to give it value. rather than forming its own 'cost of living measure'

once we stop caring about bitcoins fiat value and start thinking 0.01btc is an hours labour and 0.002 is a loaf of bread and not caring about national fiat currencies as the measure.. THEN bitcoin is money..
but until that point its not money..

put it this way, in peru people can know X peruvian sol's is an hours labour. X peruvian sol's is a loaf of bread.
however if peru had to value a sol in dollars to then work out labour and value a sol in dollars to work out a loaf of bread. then the sol loses its status.

yes bitcoin is a currency
yes bitcoin is an asset with a value (derrived by the dollar)
but until bitcoin is mainstream, until bitcoin has its own cost of living understanding by those that use it.. its not money

the strange thing is. not being money can actually have its advantage in some ways.
but also not attaining mainstream/direct labour/goods valuation disadvantage too.
19519  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Debunking popular myths about Bitcoin on: November 08, 2016, 08:29:23 AM
bitcoin is money myth
bitcoin is not money. because bitcoin is not a standard medium of exchange.. people cannot easily know that 0.0000x btc will get the X amount of loaves of bread without having to convert it to another value first to derive how much bitcoin is actually valued at.
yes you can exchange it. barter it swap it. but having it as a stable value that people can directly correlate labour vs goods is not a feature of bitcoin right now. people seem to emphasise the word 'exchange' and hide the word 'medium of' to not fully grasp what money is or is not.

bitcoin needs to stabilise in price, well actually bitcoin needs to stop being valued against money and instead get valued directly against goods and services for it to then have its own direct value medium of exchange. then people can know without stress or a calculator how many loaves of bread they can buy with X bitcoin.

money is about taking the majority of guess work out of the whole: 'how many hours of sweat labour equals how many loaves of bread'. which bitcoin has not reached that point yet.

china 51% attack
comparing a country of 1 billion+ citizens individual mindsets and lives vs a single company like ghash is silly.
most of the pools in china have multiple servers. so if one server goes offline in one country there are other servers to hop to, so treating a country as a 'pool' instead of realising the server/company running a couple servers is a pool, is where things fall flat for this myth.

the mindset should be:
china 2014-2016  vs   america  2011-2013
or    Ghash  vs  antpool
not
china vs ghash     or     antpool vs america

treating a country as a pool is silly beyond belief and mainly sounding like subtle racism rather then technical understanding of centralization.
especially when bitmain has servers in multiple countries, thus are not worried about what one countries government may or may not do to them
19520  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Rindlisbacher from UBS: Problems for Banks because of Blockachain on: November 07, 2016, 06:03:01 PM
im sure greg maxwell, pieter wuille and others who are paid by the hyperledger banking groups of the world will happily solve their problems.

yes banks cant just print money out of thin air by the old means of creating loans but its obvious that they will find other ways.
also can still do derivatives and other nonsense smart contract stuff to profit from funds locked into 'accounts'. much like they have in the past.

yes it requires rewiring the "how to be a wall street trader" but then thats usually an opportunity in itself for the banks to charge other institutions large amounts of funds purely for training/oversight/consultation.

i just see the OP's topic being more about selling the new 'consultation'/qualification business industry that banks have sold each other for decades
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