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1961  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: ATI underclocking memory under linux? on: June 16, 2011, 03:35:38 PM
Is there a guide somewhere on how to do this and where to get the installation packages?
When I do a forum search on SBE I get a lot of (German) BTC betting stuff but nothing on this tool, also 'Winbios' does not return much unfortunately (only this post).

It was RBE: http://www.techpowerup.com/rbe/ Just follow the official tutorial, its all explained.
1962  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are the stolen bitcoins currently being sold on mtgox? on: June 16, 2011, 01:29:22 PM
We can 'easily' track stolen coins thru the blockchain, they have been trying hard to split up the money many times.
MtGox could know which coins are stolen but i doubt they would block any exchange with them, after all they profit from the exchange.

Many of the coins are still accounted for in large numbers (at least yesterday)

How do you know the coins were really robbed? I actually believe that they were robbed but how can you be sure so as to try to organize a blockade on somones money?
1963  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: ATI underclocking memory under linux? on: June 16, 2011, 01:25:38 PM
I have two Asus 5870 and the memory can go as low as 200Mhz with AMDOverdriveCtrl. The sweet spot for me is 335Mhz. But I just got a XFX 8750 and while I can get the memory to 335Mhz, it wont allow to push the core speed more than 900Mhz. It depends on the vendor.
I got an Asus 5870 and an Alienware 5870 in the same LinuxCoin box.
AMDoverdriveCTRL allows me to:
Asus: 300-1200GPU 200-1200MEM
Alien: 300-900GPU 200-1200MEM

So the Asus runs great @ 1000//335
The Alien runs slower @ 900//310

Would love to set the GPU of the Alien higher but cant, so my conclusion is that it really depends on the manufacturer what the rangers are on the card, and of course you should be able to alter them but for me it's been hard fining how to alter the Alien.

I just solved it this morning. I used SBE and winbios (or something like that) to get the bios from the Asus, copy the limitations, then mix the limitations of the ASUS with the bios of the XFX and reflashing the XFX. Works like a charm.
1964  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 5870 Users! Clock Speed, Memory, Voltage, SDK and CCC Version, Flags, etc. on: June 16, 2011, 01:21:15 PM
1. Installing SDK 2.1 in place of 2.4 boosted hashrate by up to 10 MH/s.

This depends on the software you are using to mine. F.e. poclmb goes better with 2.1 and phatk goes better with 2.4. I get better results with phatk+2.4 than any other combination.
1965  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Sweatshops in a realistic light. on: June 16, 2011, 12:46:21 PM
Well, not all the cases were like this, although this you explain would not surpirse me. But some places their own governments were fucking the people and the multinationals just went there to get cheap labour.


And why were the governments fucking the people?  Were they doing it for the lulz?


This you are describing is what happens in a social-democracy. Political darwinism. In social-democracy the people with money can and do use it to screew the poor and the middle classes. If the government can not intervene or directly there is no government it can not happen.


You're right.  Corporations cannot control the government if the government doesn't exist.  Instead, they'll just control people directly.  Explain to me how that's better.  You've removed a tool, but you haven't addressed the root of the problem - like banning guns instead of getting rid of criminals.


Government is the collective bargaining power of the common man.  The trick is to keep is strong and focused enough that it cannot be controlled by corporations and those with money.  Castrating it or removing it all together is simply removing the only power the common man has, that of organization and unity.

Yes, government is there to protect you, specifically you. The politicians of your country went to bed yesterday thinking in ways of making your life easier. Good luck.
1966  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Sweatshops in a realistic light. on: June 16, 2011, 11:41:21 AM
Yea, just keep playing the semantics game so that you never end up admitting the negatives of a free market.


Quick reality check:
Someone took their land and property BECAUSE someone else wanted to build a factory and employ people for next to nothing.  The government didn't one day just up and take land from people at random, and then Happy Smilie Nice Company just happened to be passing by and see a nice empty piece of land to buy and establish a factory on.  FIRST came the need for cheap labor.  THEN came the interventionism by the US or whoever else to swing the local government's opinion, bribe them, kill them, or straight up invade and replace them, so that Happy Smilie Nice Company could come in and build its cheap labor factory.  The US government is an acting agent of the corporations that control it, NOT the other way around.  The local government that took the land is an agent of the US government that is an agent of the corporation that wanted the land.  All roads lead back to greedy big business and money, NOT to the government.  The goverment is merely one enabler along the way, it is NOT the root of the problem.

Well, not all the cases were like this, although this you explain would not surpirse me. But some places their own governments were fucking the people and the multinationals just went there to get cheap labour.

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Think again.  What I just described is the end product of a free market.  In a free market, the people with the money make the rules.  The corporations of the world are the people with the money, so they will always make the rules, and their rules include controlling the government.  The end result of unhindered capitalism is the people at the top owning and controlling everything, including governments.

This you are describing is what happens in a social-democracy. Political darwinism. In social-democracy the people with money can and do use it to screew the poor and the middle classes. If the government can not intervene or directly there is no government it can not happen.

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I guess you just can't see that your belief system is one of perpetual blame shifting for its many short comings.  You can simply keep blaming all these short comings on the market not being free enoug.  Because a 100% free market (as you define it) will never exist, you'll never have to face the music that your belief system simply doesn't work as you think it does in the real world.

You need a reality check and a history lesson.
1967  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Newly minted idiot on: June 16, 2011, 11:35:40 AM
What a perfect illustration of the Tragedy of the Commons.

How?
1968  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Its coming down on: June 16, 2011, 10:44:55 AM
EVERYTIME THE DIFFCULTY CHANGES THE SYSTEM GOES NUTS FOR SEVERAL HOURS
No, that's only the estimate on Bitcoincharts. The graphs on bitcoin.sipa.be aren't influenced by difficulty change.

Are you saying then that the change is real and not due to sherenigans because of the difficulty change. If so, what has caused that rise and fall?

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Interesting, you are a member since May 2010 and you didn't know this?? What kind of a bitcoiner are you??

I had never GPU mined until one week ago.
1969  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 5870 Users! Clock Speed, Memory, Voltage, SDK and CCC Version, Flags, etc. on: June 16, 2011, 10:33:14 AM
And what are the temps?

Quite low, never over 60º. Its getting hot here too but I run it without a case in a room with two windows open and a 20W fan next to the whole thing. Here you go:

Adapter 0 - ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series
                            Core (MHz)    Memory (MHz)
           Current Clocks :    995           335
             Current Peak :    995           335
  Configurable Peak Range : [600-1200]     [335-1400]
                 GPU load :    99%

Adapter 1 - ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series
                            Core (MHz)    Memory (MHz)
           Current Clocks :    1005           335
             Current Peak :    1005           335
  Configurable Peak Range : [600-1200]     [335-1400]
                 GPU load :    99%

Adapter 2 - ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series
                            Core (MHz)    Memory (MHz)
           Current Clocks :    1005           335
             Current Peak :    1005           335
  Configurable Peak Range : [600-1200]     [335-1400]
                 GPU load :    99%

Adapter 0 - ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series
            Sensor 0: Temperature - 55.50 C

Adapter 1 - ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series
            Sensor 0: Temperature - 56.00 C

Adapter 2 - ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series
            Sensor 0: Temperature - 56.50 C

Voltages are (0)1.070, (1)1.072 and (2)1.070.

I will post pictures of the whole thing when I  get the fourth.

EDIT: The fasn are running at 95% (dont like to run them at 100%) and if I turn the big fan off the temperature raises like 10º, never over 70º, although the fan has been always on when it has been hot. Actually, the big fan is on for the rest of the parts of the card that seem to run very hot. Does anyone know how to access the rest of temperature sensors of the 5870 from linux?
1970  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 5870 Users! Clock Speed, Memory, Voltage, SDK and CCC Version, Flags, etc. on: June 16, 2011, 10:25:46 AM
Hi hugolp,

that's really weired. Same brand but different behaviors... Maybe it has something to do with the relationship between core and mem speed. I tried 950, 980 and 1000 core speed at 300 mem speed. All freezed. Now I'm running really stable at 930 core and 300 mem speed (410 MHash/s phoenix/phatk). Maybe I should take mem speed up a little bit to 333 or 335. Maybe that's the point. I don't think SDK 2.4 makes the difference. And I don't think there is a diffenernbce in Gnome Classic and Unity. I don't like unity, that's all.

Thinking about it I think that at 1005Mhz if I pushed the voltage higher it would run for a while and then crash. You might want to test at 995, 1000 or even 1005 at lower voltages, like 1.070v for me. At 1010Mhz and 1015Mhz it would run for a while but there was no way of making it stable. Also, by lowering the voltage you get better consumption theoretically.

If this does not work its very weird because I could have gotten a couple of mega-asus, but Im almost in the same situation with the XFX.
1971  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 5870 Users! Clock Speed, Memory, Voltage, SDK and CCC Version, Flags, etc. on: June 16, 2011, 10:14:36 AM
With what soft do you measure your voltage?

I have ASUS HD 5870 V2 with 1.212 stock voltage and it does not want to go even to 1GHz core speed(((

Im setting it with AMDOverdriveCtrl.
1972  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 5870 Users! Clock Speed, Memory, Voltage, SDK and CCC Version, Flags, etc. on: June 16, 2011, 09:41:46 AM
Hi hugolp,

in my case when I go up to 975 Core @ 300 Mem the system freezes few seconds later... I think the GPU gets too less power?
Using Ubuntu 11.04 with SDK2.1.

EIDT: This GPU is the main graphics card onboard, which means it has to support the GNOME GUI as well. Maybe you can run 975/300 with a second GPU responsible for mininig only?

Hi, its weird. Im using Ubuntu 11.04 with SDK2.4 phoenix/phatk. I have 2 Asus 5870 with 1005Mhz core and 335Mhz memory with 1.070V (one needs 1.072V) and they have been running fine for 3 or 4 days now. Today I got an XFX 5870, had to flash it with the Asus limits because it would not allow to go over 900Mhz by default. Now its running with core at 995Mhz and memory at 335Mhz with 1.070V and it has been there for a couple of hours without a problem. I pretend to push it to 1005Mhz slowly.

I understand some differences from different vendors, but needing 1.250v to get 975Mhz seems too big of a difference.

EDIT: One on the Asus was taking care of the screen (with Gnome-Unity) and it was fine. Now the XFX is taking care of it, but I dont think it makes an impact, I mainly use it through ssh and the screen is off all the time. Is there an advantage of using traditional gnome from unity while mining?
1973  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 5870 Users! Clock Speed, Memory, Voltage, SDK and CCC Version, Flags, etc. on: June 16, 2011, 09:26:51 AM
ATI HD5870
Catalyst 11.5
SDK 2.4
975MHz core / 333MHz memory
1.250v

Why do you have the voltage at 1.250v? Is your 5870 unstable with less voltage at 975MHz?
1974  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Its coming down on: June 16, 2011, 09:02:00 AM
Ok, my bad. If some mod see this just delete.
1975  Bitcoin / Mining / Its coming down on: June 16, 2011, 08:54:16 AM
Computational power of the Bitcoin network, green 1 day stimate:



Closer, green 8 hour estimate:



Does anyone know where the spike of computational power came and why its going down?
1976  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: BTC Guild - 0% Fees, Long polling, SSL, JSON API, and more [~1500 gH/sec] on: June 16, 2011, 08:46:21 AM
It might be random but there is the overloading in USA central and weve been almost 4 hours without finding a block.
1977  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: I get this Intel D915GEV at 45$ on: June 16, 2011, 08:42:31 AM
What cards are you running? 3 cards on a cheap mobo isn't good. It might draw too much power and overload / break it.

This. Maybe if you are running it with pci-e extender with a molex from the PSU it could work.
1978  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: sorry if you don't like it but i couldn't stop laughing. on: June 16, 2011, 08:40:02 AM
I only bring this up because all of these buttcoin, bitcarrot spoof attempts all use this ideology that bitcoin isn't valid because it has nothing backing it.  In america and around the world we've proved that all you need to back your money are lies and faith in a god that may or may not exist.

Well, this is a bit naive. What the USA has prove around the world is that you dont need to back up your money with gold if you have the biggest army. The USA government did not imposed the dollars only through lies and faith...
1979  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: ATI underclocking memory under linux? on: June 16, 2011, 05:35:28 AM
Strange - maybe different manufacturers set different ranges? I'm out of options, though - given the MSI Afterburner stuff - I'd assume that it *must* be possible to go outside the configurable peak range on Linux, too. (There's a thread somewhere here - you've likely seen it - where Windows users with MSI Afterburner are finding a "sweet spot" around 300MHz; it'd be good to have that available on Linux...)

I have two Asus 5870 and the memory can go as low as 200Mhz with AMDOverdriveCtrl. The sweet spot for me is 335Mhz. But I just got a XFX 8750 and while I can get the memory to 335Mhz, it wont allow to push the core speed more than 900Mhz. It depends on the vendor.
1980  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Sweatshops in a realistic light. on: June 16, 2011, 05:01:48 AM
But these students don't protest against governments. They protest against private companies.
They want even more government and more regulations.

Yes, the interventionists are ignorant. Thats not news. But my point is that libertarians should not defend sweatshops just because interentionists attac them. We should denounce violations of individual rights when we see them, no matter whos side that puts us on.
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