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1961  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Anyone know what happened to knightmb and his 371,000 BTC? on: November 10, 2012, 11:31:49 AM
Good news for me anyway  Tongue , they sold me the project for $5k to recover some of their cost. I now technically own the wallet files and other software I was working on with them at the time. For legal reasons I can't blurt out who the investors were or the banks, companies, etc. they were representing basically (unless I won't to land in court forever), but I think I made a wise investment. It's still going to take a while to get my wife on board as she still doesn't understand the whole BTC concept, but everyone here knows and I know what it means. She was really skeptical about my purchase this week.

I'll probably take some of the backup advise here too, why have a few backup copies when you can have many on different media types spread around everywhere (all encrypted of course this time).

Thanks for the advise everyone!

Michael Brown (knightmb), you have not told the full story here, and this is not the first time you have screwed an employer. If you do not do the right thing now, this will come back to haunt you.

You are also in over your head. Has it occurred to you that you owe $850,000 of federal income tax on this "deal"? Fortunately for you, we do not have state tax in Tennessee, but you will still owe business taxes, and you haven't even applied for the right licenses.

You have one chance to do the right thing here. You know what it is.
This should be fascinating. Quote's from 2011.

Another interesting quote from MBDonationFund.com:
"I am a self-employed wireless Internet service provider and web hosting/designed in Franklin, TN barely scratching out a living for my young family."

Thread from Endless-sphere forum when people found out about him acquiring the BTC for $5,000.

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30632&sid=bc2ba1be6bb99fef8c9941ef67f4b5b3
1962  Other / Off-topic / Re: Cats lead Feds to KnightMB (worth 371kBTC) in Romney Tax Hack. on: November 10, 2012, 10:48:06 AM
reddit is leaking.

This guy has bad luck with being investigated for computer related crimes he claims he didn't commit.

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Brown’s home also was raided by federal authorities in 2009 in a case related to the theft of data from an insurance company, but he was never charged in the matter.

In the last post KnightMB made here, in June this year, he claimed that his pile of Bitcoins was pretty much all gone.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6825.msg973679#msg973679

It's probably worth remembering that he acquired the BTC under questionable circumstances and that there were allegations that he'd screwed over previous employers as well.

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30632&sid=bc2ba1be6bb99fef8c9941ef67f4b5b3
1963  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why I really hate SomethingAwful on: November 10, 2012, 02:29:59 AM
As an example of what I mean, remember that judge who was caught on camera beating his daughter a while ago? She is/was an SA member. Her father apparently just got reinstated and you can find the SA discussion of it here. Well, I say that, but the thread immediately got derailed into talking about how she and her lawyer are weirdo furry freaks and she obviously deserved it. Once goons spy one of their favourite obsessions they forget everything else... humanity, common decency, you name it.

With due respect, there were plenty of people saying the opposite - that, yes, shoe seems pretty messed up and none of the players in the drama are particularly likeable but no matter what she did not deserve those beatings.  The scariest people of all in that thread were the ones saying "well, it's Texas and beating your kid is legal there, so what's the big deal", as well as the "one mistake shouldn't ruin someone's career" chorus.

In the original thread, the reason why people were telling her to delete the furry stuff and the bestiality-related stuff was because if the media got hold of it she would lose a lot of public sympathy and her father would use it to portray her as crazy.  It wasn't - for the most part - "ewww, furries" (an attitude which definitely does exist on SA, for reasons I don't totally understand) in that particular instance.  She made some terrible judgements in how she handled the attention she got at that time and people were trying very hard to stop her from digging herself into an ever-deepening hole.  Goons being goons, they weren't happy when she ignored that advice and started pissing in the well.

She is actively disliked by many now, mostly due to the racist comments and the bestiality stuff (which she now claims was trolling but if that's the case she was trolling a lot of places).  That doesn't - and never should - excuse or in any way be used justify the beatings she received as a teenager. 

She's started a new thread on reddit and it will be interesting to see whether that deteriorates in the same way the reddit threads did last year.  Hillary and her mother are seeking donations to establish a foundation for abuse victims.

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/11telw/in_the_wake_of_domestic_abuser_judge_william/
1964  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario on: November 10, 2012, 01:10:37 AM
Sounds like london is an expensive place to live when the fifth households in GB with the lowest income had $24,000 before tax and he nearly had double that amount only from ceosalary. Would be interesting to know what earnings he got from holding 60% of glbse shares then too.

None of the other shareholders have suggested that GLBSE was paying any significant amount in dividends.  I think that you're making a whole lot of flawed assumptions here because you're applying real world principals to what was essentially a toy company run by someone without any business expertise whatsoever.

theymos indicated that GLBSE held less than 1000 BTC of its own - the vast majority of BTC it held were user funds.  That's a very low amount of reserves to have on hand.  If GLBSE had been the cash cow you believe it was, it would have had more than enough funds on hand to cover the double payments.

And yep, there are lots of expensive places in the world.  $15 per hour is the minimum wage where I live and average weekly earnings are between $62,000 and $69,000 depending on whose statistics you use.  Housing, electricity and petrol are all extremely expensive here, so people earning wages which might sound high to those living elsewhere are going to be living significantly lower lifestyles.

That nefario was earning more than the lowest 20% of households doesn't mean much.  The lowest 20% of households in any Western nation are almost certainly living in abject poverty and working part-time if at all. 
1965  Other / Off-topic / Re: Help me complete my goal on: November 10, 2012, 12:27:52 AM
At this point you're not going to have enough, or make enough money to catch up on mining. (My finance classes are finally paying off. Cost-Benefit-Analysis FTW! LOL!)

-Zoey
If what you're saying is true, then even if I wanted to get into mining I couldn't get into mining.
I feel a big bubble bursting if the difficulty gets too high.

Your two big issues are that you're not going to get your jalapenos before the block reward halves and that by the time people who place orders now receive their ASICs a whole heap of hashing power will have been thrown at the network by those who had earlier pre-orders and received the first deliveries.  You will still be able to mine some BTC, but your returns may be slow and small.    Hopefully they'd be enough to cover your loan repayments and your electricity costs, but you need someone to run the numbers for you (lots of people in the custom hardware forum are good at this) and work out whether you'd have anything left to put into funding the things you want to do with the coins you mine. 

You could probably earn the $300 you borrow to buy the ASICs a whole lot faster by doing odd jobs in the real world than you can earn it by mining.  Likewise, you could probably earn $20 to buy stock for your guitar pick business by mowing one lawn.  The amount you can earn from mining with your jalapenos once they're paid off might be good for "hobby" money, but it's unlikely to be enough for funding expenses, whether they're business or personal.

The guitar pick business is also unlikely to bring in more than "hobby" money at first, so you really need to be looking at setting up a lot of income streams if you're going to choose ones which don't earn much or you need to think about income streams which will provide a greater return.  You need to be making a weekly profit in excess of what you would earn in a minimum wage job in order to make these ventures worthwhile.
1966  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer tag: PatrickHarnett on: November 09, 2012, 09:48:21 PM
Our position is that this contract exists in BTC world. We're obviously (all of us) still working out how BTC world contracts work. The demand is obviously nonsense, nobody has the authority to award damages in BTC world, so the point is factually moot.

To the extent that they would not be enforceable in whole or in part in the real world, Bitcoin contracts pretty much exist only by mutual consent.  I know that everyone likes to take the "Wild West, different rules, blah, blah, blah" line but I think that doing so not only leads to absurd over-valuations, it also encourages total paralysis when shit goes wrong and to some extent it discourages realistic recovery arrangements.

I think that Patrick's real world occupation and his experience in the energy derivatives market created a perception that he was or should have been aware of the strong possibility of correlated risk to a far greater extent than the other PPT operators.  I think that people made the assumption that "Patrick knows what he's doing" in large part because of his extensive experience in high risk markets where correlated risk has caused spectacular collapse in the past (Enron anyone?).
1967  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer tag: PatrickHarnett on: November 09, 2012, 09:09:35 PM

You really expect someone breaching a contract to get away with paying less than what they owed by contract? In what alternate universe is this ever the case?

I'm curious about which jurisdiction you think this contract exists in, because you're sure as shit not going to get an award of punitive/exemplary damages under NZ law.  Nor are you going to get an award for full costs (typically, only about 60-70% of actual costs are covered in a judgement where costs are awarded in Australia and NZ).

I don't agree with Joel's reasoning, but you're dreaming if you think that a NZ court would award you the amount you're trying to claim you're owed.

1968  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Trendon Shavers-Philip Moustakis-United States Securities & Exchange Commission on: November 09, 2012, 07:50:55 AM
Is anyone aware of other user names (suspected or confirmed) that Trendon Shavers used on this board besides pirateat40?

I think I saw the name Don Shrents somewhere.

Pretty sure that Don Shrents was a bitlane alt.
1969  Other / Off-topic / Re: Help me complete my goal on: November 09, 2012, 06:42:08 AM
If you look up a small padded envelope by priority mail to australia is $19 and change, and yes, my words once again getting me in trouble. B&D is a trademark, correct. The bitcoin logo, however is not, although not sure who i'd ask permission to use that on a pick. I'd probly have to knock off logo picks then if I truely can't use them.

I'm not sure whether the Bitcoin logo itself has ever been trademarked (there are reasons why it might be difficult to trademark).  There are several trademark registrations of the Bitcoin name though.  I can't remember who holds which trademark in what class and where but MtGox holds at least one,  Paymium holds another, and someone else holds the trademark in France.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105638.msg1231502#msg1231502

For the most part, people have registered the Bitcoin trademarks so that patent/trademark trolls can't register them in "first to file" countries and prevent them being used by the community.  For a very long time one of the reasons people wanted a Bitcoin foundation was so that it could hold the trademarks for the benefit of all Bitcoin users.

People have been using the various Bitcoin logos on commercial products for a while now without any dramas so you're probably safe in respect of that one.

Definitely keep looking for logos and other images which are already in the public domain or already licensed under CC.  Expired trademarks might also be a good thing to look for as many people will have never seen some old corporate logos from decades ago so they might have a certain "retro" appeal just because they're different.
1970  Other / Off-topic / Re: Help me complete my goal on: November 09, 2012, 06:15:59 AM
was thinking of the bitcoin logo, the 7-11 logo, black and decker logo, the borderlands logo and a few others(I have a list of what I want to put onto a pick somewhere). If you came to me and wanted a logo put onto a pick, I'd do that as well and only charge the logo price(currently 80 cents). All orders(regular and custom) would obviously have a minimum order of 1.

This brings me to my next point: shipping. Shiping on pick orders 1-20 in the US would run you 80 cents, and $2 worldwide I think(I'll have to look). Pick orders 20+ will then carry the US flat rate of $8, Mexico/Canada $12, and Australia/UK $20. I'm only restricting orders to Nigeria for obvious reasons. I don't think I can get the rates any cheaper then what they are.

The Black and Decker logo is a trademark registered with the US Patent & Trademark Office.  The 7-11 logo is also a registered trademark.  They are additionally protected by copyright laws and your intended use does not fall within fair use provisions.  Using someone else's registered trademark for a commercial purpose is something which requires the express permission of the trademark holder (and the copyright holder as well if they are different people/entities).  It's very easy to find out if a company logo is a registered trademark.  

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Actually I can ask they be released to me under CC for my use(although not sure who to ask for releasing the bitcoin logo under CC o.O)

Actually, you can't.  By definition, a CC licence makes a work available for use by everyone, not just by you.  The reason people trademark logos is so that they can control who uses that logo and when they do licence others to use their logo (which isn't especially uncommon) there are generally significant licensing fees and/or royalties involved.  Many companies have existing merchandising/licensing agreements contracts which they would be breaking if they were to suddenly make their images available for use by everyone free of charge.

You might be able to get away with cutting picks from expired gift/store cards issued by the companies concerned, but I wouldn't count on it if your actually selling them and especially in large quantities.  That's the kind of thing they generally don't care about if you're doing it for personal use but can get very shitty about if you're doing it commercially.

It should not cost $20 to ship 20 guitar picks to Australia.  Amazon has sent me books by international express post for less than that and guitar picks weigh a lot less than books.
1971  Other / Off-topic / Re: Help me complete my goal on: November 09, 2012, 04:27:17 AM
a letter with the CC on it with ordered picks should be enough right? I mean, I don't just have a link to the CC on the main page but rather each pick states who the author is and that the pick image/logo was released under the CC-BY-SA. I believe the bitcoin logo falls under this somewhere.

I would definitely include the letter, to make sure that the attribution aspect is covered and that the "intact" requirement of the notice is satisfied.

You've already said that you're intending to put your own logo on the back of the picks.  I'd consider stamping them with the recognised symbol for CC-BY-SA as well.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/CC-BY-SA.png
1972  Other / Off-topic / Re: Help me complete my goal on: November 09, 2012, 04:11:25 AM

Well.. duh and no, I don't have to put it on the pick itself, but it is all over the cart I set up, but I won't show that until I'm ready to start production. You're still obviously misconstruing what this CC allows me to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CC-BY-SA-3.0

Do you even read the things you use as references?

Your own citation specifically states that attribution and citing the specific type of CC licence under which you are using the work are required.

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- Include any copyright notices (if applicable). If the work itself contains any copyright notices placed there by the copyright holder, those notices must be left intact, or reproduced in a way that is reasonable to the medium in which the work is being re-published.
- Cite the author's name, screen name, or user ID, etc. If the work is being published on the Internet, it is nice to link that name to the person's profile page, if such a page exists.
- Cite the work's title or name (if applicable), if such a thing exists. If the work is being published on the Internet, it is nice to link the name or title directly to the original work.
- Cite the specific CC license the work is under. If the work is being published on the Internet, it is nice if the license citation links to the license on the CC website.
- Mention if the work is a derivative work or adaptation, in addition to the above, one needs to identify that their work is a derivative work i.e., “This is a Finnish translation of [original work] by [author].” or “Screenplay based on [original work] by [author].”

Additionally, the CC agreement itself to which you linked above explicitly states that

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4. Restrictions. The license granted in Section 3 above is expressly made subject to and limited by the following restrictions:

You may Distribute or Publicly Perform the Work only under the terms of this License. You must include a copy of, or the Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) for, this License with every copy of the Work You Distribute or Publicly Perform.

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You must keep intact all notices that refer to this License and to the disclaimer of warranties with every copy of the Work You Distribute or Publicly Perform.

Every copy.  Not just a notice on the cart section of your website.  The reason it needs to be with every copy is because the terms of the licence itself mean that others can reproduce/modify it under the same licence which allowed you to reproduce/modify the work - the "share alike" provisions of a free culture CC licence require you to make others aware of that.  If you fail to do that, your right to reproduce the work under CC will be revoked automatically.

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7. Termination

This License and the rights granted hereunder will terminate automatically upon any breach by You of the terms of this License.
1973  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario on: November 09, 2012, 03:46:27 AM

That would mean it has to be someone that collected so much IPO-Money that he could pay nefario that much btc that he would throw his connections to the community away and the earnings he would get form ceo-job and his shares of glbse. So i think the one would need to pay him 3 or 4 years worth of income.

From what the shareholders have said, he wasn't being paid that much - about $40,000 per year which is not very much to live on in the UK.  And just because Bitcoiners love to use the terminology of the real business world which they despise so much, doesn't mean that self-selected titles like "CEO" or terms like "IPO" imply any kind of competence or massive amounts of money.

theymos was trying to sell his shares prior to anyone learning of nefario's intention to shut down GLBSE and nobody wanted them so nefario's shares weren't especially valuable either.

People repeatedly make the mistake of assuming that just because a Bitcoin enterprise is highly visible means that it's highly profitable. 
1974  Other / Off-topic / Re: Help me complete my goal on: November 09, 2012, 02:59:59 AM

It's funny you mention those... Anyhow, did you read the entire cc past the summary? If you did, you'd also see that as a curtisy, I would ask the image holder permission to release the work under that license, which I have done with most of the images planned on being used for full art picks and some of the logos. No one's told me no yet either. I believe this project will stick, even if their not bought by users of this forum. That's the main point.

You realise that free culture licences require that you both attribute the work AND that you make clear the terms of the licence under which the work has been produced - you will need to put that information on the guitar pick itself to satisfy those requirements.

It doesn't matter if no-one's told you no yet.  Either the work must already be released under a CC licence or the rights holder will need to release it under a CC licence.  You cannot just write to Disney - for example - asking them to let you use TalesSpin images under a CC licence and then use those images to make guitar picks because they didn't tell you no; they must specifically tell you "yes" and specify exactly what kind of licence you can use the images under and what limitations apply to using it.

1975  Other / Off-topic / Re: Help me complete my goal on: November 09, 2012, 02:40:31 AM

I dunno, seems like it works in my favor to me... http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Even spoke to a few of the local lawyers and they agree that I can use this CC to obtain the pick images as long as I lay no claim that I own the images(which I don't). Trust me, I researched this license out carefully before using it.


Do you have problems with reading comprehension or something?  The very site you use as a reference clearly states that a creative commons licence is issued by the creator or rights holder of a work.  A free culture licence is the least restrictive of the creative commons licences but you can only reproduce something under a CC licence if the author has chosen to licence it that way.  There are 6 different types of CC licence and not all of them allow commercial use of a work even when it is a CC licensed work.  

General lawyers know shit all about IP law.  If the lawyers you've consulted have actually read anything about creative commons licensing rather than just relying on your total misinterpretation of how it works, then they would know damned well that only the creator or the rights holder of the work can licence it under CC.  

The only works which you can use in the manner you intend to use them are those where the creator/rights holder has chosen to make those works available under a free culture licence or those which are public domain.  You can't just use anyone's logo or trademark - the person who owns that IP has to specifically make it available under CC and they get to decide whether you can modify it in any way or use it commercially.

You can search for public domain images here.

http://www.public-domain-image.com/

There are multiple places you can search for CC images.

You seem to have a history of not grasping IP issues, whether in relation to TaleSpin, your movie theatre restoration project, or using images owned by others to make guitar picks you intend to sell.
1976  Other / Off-topic / Re: Congrats Obama on: November 09, 2012, 12:15:19 AM
When will you people stop watching TV and ignore all this shit. By paying attention to elections, television, commercials and corporations you give credibility to all this stuff. Sad

Because ignoring what their government is doing has always worked so well for Americans in the past.   Roll Eyes
1977  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could declaring Bitcoin a religion protect it from Finacial Regulation? on: November 09, 2012, 12:01:53 AM
Tax exempt status is given to organisations, not their members.  Even if you could somehow pull of registering a Bitcoin organisation as a religious organisation, only that specific organisation and it's subsidiaries would enjoy tax exempt status.

Sure, but making using the bitcoin network a sacrament (like any ritual in other religions) would make it impossible for bitcoin to be made illegal in the US.

What a crock of shit.  Plenty of religious rituals are illegal in many Western nations and if you could just declare something a sacrament in order to prevent its use being illegal there'd be no illegal drugs (do you seriously believe that people haven't considered this in respect of illegal drugs in the past?).  

While I believe that religions enjoy far too much protection, that protection is far from absolute.  As has been pointed out already, the manner in which the US applies the principal of separation between church and state would impose limitations on how and where Bitcoin could be promoted if it was somehow brought under the umbrella of religion.
1978  Other / Off-topic / Re: Help me complete my goal on: November 08, 2012, 10:55:33 PM

Art comes from a creative commons license that allows me to print any logo I wish as long as I don't claim copyright to it(which I don't). Art will be done by printer with transfer sheets.

That is not how creative commons licences work.  Creators who choose to release their work through creative commons licences can still impose limitations on the use of their work disallowing its use for commercial purposes or disallowing any modification of the original.

If you want to be able to use the work of others without restriction, you need to look for works which have a specific type of creative commons licence called a free culture licence.  Even though this is the most liberal of the creative commons licences, it still requires you to attribute the work to the creator and to publish the licence notice.  You can search for works which have been released under creative commons licences here.

http://search.creativecommons.org/

There is no such thing as a licence which you can obtain that allows you to use any logo you wish.  Many logos are trademarked and can't be used for commercial purposes without the express permission of the trademark holder (even non-commercial use can be a violation but they're less likely to pursue someone for that).

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Seems like an OK business, assuming you can get the sales numbers going (you'll need to find A LOT of guitar players every month). If you can, you should be able to make a profit, but you are basically signing yourself up for a salesman position.

He also needs to factor in the time he spends on trying to sell his stock.  A hobby business like this which is likely to make only a small paper profit each month can have a significant opportunity cost if getting enough sales to stay in the black takes up a considerable amount of his time - and bulk orders aren't likely to just come to him, he's most likely going to have to do a lot of cold calling and other marketing.

I found guitar pick cutters for under USD 30, which means that it would be extremely economical for people wanting large quantities of custom picks to cut their own.  To make this business viable, logansryche needs to be able to offer images and/or materials which people can't easily obtain themselves.  Embedded images are more time consuming to produce so that market might be a more viable one.  The PVC sheeting for embedding images is relatively cheap (~10 cents per pick for small quantities) as is the glue.  Sanding the edges takes a little time, but you'd be doing that with any picks you punched from credit cards and the like, anyway.

Necklaces are likely to be way more profitable because the sale price is so much greater than the additional materials cost and they don't require a great deal more time to create.
1979  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Trendon Shavers - Pirate Pass Through - Crowdsource list on: November 08, 2012, 03:33:26 AM

The ultimate goal was to get deposit addresses from PPT's used to fund their BS&T accounts in an attempt to track the coins.
But since no PPT have responded I would assume they are not interested in participating so it's probably not going to happen.

I think a lot of people would be uncomfortable with that information being released to anyone other than government investigators and that some PPT operators probably won't give that information up even if presented with an official request.

I think that many people have misgivings about the creation of an informal repository of information which can't actually be used by investigators.  what's the actual point of the community playing "follow the coins" when investigators would need to do it for themselves in order to be able to use any information that process reveals?
1980  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could declaring Bitcoin a religion protect it from Finacial Regulation? on: November 08, 2012, 03:24:21 AM
Tax exempt status is given to organisations, not their members.  Even if you could somehow pull of registering a Bitcoin organisation as a religious organisation, only that specific organisation and it's subsidiaries would enjoy tax exempt status.
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