So, you're saying that just because USA part of devteam is too lazy to move out of USA, it is justified to sell Bitcoin and trust of it's users?
What do you think they should do, all move to an Ecuadorian embassy? Stop expecting people to be martyrs and start putting together an alternative team of devs who are either already in the sanctioned countries or who are willing to face prosecution for sanction-busting - or are you too "lazy" to do that.
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jgarzik is intelligent, he looks long term, and wants bitcoin to succeed. Some people don't see the big picture.
Bitcoin is not going to succeed if core devs live in fear of being prosecuted for not adhering to US sanctions on any country. That IS the big picture! It's also not going to succeed in the long term if development of the official client and big economic players are shut down for sanction-busting. It seems to me that there's a section of the community which is looking for martyrs. If you believe that Bitcoin needs martyrs, then be that martyr yourself instead of demanding others put their asses on the line. No-one is forced to use the official client. No-one is prevented from developing other clients. Nobody's stopping you from putting together a team of devs to build a sanction-busting client. The problem is people behaving as though the devs and major Bitcoin businesses are genies whose purpose is to grant your wishes. There are many different agendas within the Bitcoin eco-system and the only one responsible for ensuring your own is advanced is you.
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Wikipedia lists these two as unwanted affects of this drug:
unwanted and overwhelming feelings unwanted life-changing spiritual experiences
I don't think they're "unwanted" effects in dank's case or in the case of most people who take dissociatives and psychedelics.
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?? If they're here reading this topic wont they know about it already?
Possibly, possibly not but the problem isn't so much Iranians knowing about Bitcoin as it is services/organisations actively assisting the bypassing of embargoes against Iran. Discussing it here isn't quite the same thing as making a request on official channels to do something which facilitates Bitcoin being used to bypass sanctions, though. If someone were to ask Charlie how BitInstant could be used to bypass sanctions against Iran, it would be really silly for Charlie to even engage in the discussion. Services and organisations can't really afford to say anything other than "we won't help people bypass the sanctions" without painting a huge target on their backs. They can't be seen to be promoting or allowing the use of their service/organisation for bypassing the embargo. Everyone has the right to determine what risks they take themselves. No-one has the right to tell others what risks they should find acceptable. There is nothing stopping those who feel strongly enough about the issue from releasing a non-official versions of the client and taking the risks associated with facilitating Bitcoin's use in embargoed countries themselves.
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*In lala land wondering when people will understand and admit guilt. Talking about your thoughts manifests them into reality, if you did anything you feel guilty of, you just tell someone, something. Nothing matters but what you make matter.
huh? Cat drugs.
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I have to say that I'm starting to agree with this. If the people in the US are too afraid of the US government, we have a problem. I'm not saying they shouldn't be afraid. Maybe they do need to be afraid. What I'm saying is that maybe we need to decentralize a little more. Having so many "major players" of Bitcoin in the US is not necessarily a very good thing.
It's not just the US which is enforcing sanctions against Iran - the UK and the EU are as well and it's likely that other nations/economic co-operation organisations will follow. The possibility of Iran becoming the new Cuba is not remote and "major players" are vulnerable, both as businesses and as individuals, if that happens and they fail to enforce the sanctions.
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He's probably just doing copypasta from a cliche generator at this point.
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FATF member countries have started applying stronger economic sanctions against the Iranian government and Iranian financial institutions. The US, the UK and the EU have all recently issued new directives regarding financial activity with Iran. I suspect that Jeff is concerned about Bitcoin being promoted as a way to bypass those sanctions, which could lead to it being directly targeted by AML/CTF laws in those jurisdictions. http://www.knowyourcountry.com/iran1111.html
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You should probably team up with the owner of HustleCiti. She's on the East Coast and she's even into Bitcoins. She has contacts in LA as well.
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I had a dream I was retarded once, every time I jerked my arm a flash appeared before me. Happy people indeed.
I'll be heading to Cali to talk to different people, like Kid Cudi, soon. Just need to sell this watch and remaining silver.
21 days left dank and you haven't even got a venue yet. Finding artists is the least of your worries.
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Using bitcoins as an online currency in a MMORPG would be brilliant. The game could be free but charge a small 1% fee on withdrawing bitcoins from the game.
The one thing that has ruined role playing games was their failure to maintain a stable economy. By using real currency this is solved.
However, I think in some areas this may be considered online gambling?
How is using a volatile currency going to encourage a stable economy?
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Makes more sense that I would like to convert it's value to BTC so I can make a trip to Cali and organize this concert I live for.
And exactly how is converting the value of the watch to BTC going to help you make the trip to California more quickly than selling it for fiat - which you could almost certainly do today if you took it to a dealer? Also, can you elaborate on large contribution to BTC community kthx
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At the end what happened to the second theft ("Chen Jianhai")?, was supposed culprit was identified and was going to return the money. The report referred to the second robbery, but no the recovery of funds.
The recovery of funds was reported here by the lawyer who facilitated it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97272.msg1098303#msg1098303
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usagi can't even get its story straight on simple issues like whether an account is its or what gender it is - yet somehow believes it can pull the wool over everyone's eyes on issues of actual substance.
Now I'm going to have to defend usagi on something, damn you. I don't care what gender usagi chooses to identify with and I'm certainly not going to demand that he "pick one and stick with it". He does need to realise, however, that how he chooses to handle the issue of gender identity within a business context is going to be yet another thing which affects people's perception of his stability and therefore his reliability and credibility. It's really his attempts to gaslight people and maintain that "we have always been at war with eastasia" which should be the central issue. It doesn't matter whether he's being revisionist about what he did and said in the past because he's delusional as fuck or for convenience - the very fact that he's trying to write a revisionist narrative regarding his Bitcoin "companies" makes him untrustworthy when it comes to doing business.
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This thread has gone so far off the original topic, I think the whole thread should be moved to the "off-topic" subforum.
I've requested that on several occasions with no result.
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Usagi is positive that if he keeps churning enough words out eventually people will just give up and leave him be.
Maybe he needs an entire album released in his honour and not just a single song.
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Holding him to that would kinda feel like taking advantage of someone with downs syndrome.
I agree, but closing this thread and making him use the normal lending forum to request loans would be a reasonable alternative as would not allowing him to use a "business" thread as a soapbox for attention-whoring and evangelising.
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I love it when people on a crusade to "defend their reputation" end up totally destroying it by flinging shit at others and stamping their feet like two year olds.
Let it go, gineta, before you become a laughing-stock like usagi.
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he didnt have permission to even speak to a lawyer in the first place.
Ummm, he didn't need anyone's permission to speak to a lawyer. It's the manner in which he acted on the advice he claims to have received which is at issue, not his right to seek that advice in the first place (which was absolute).
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Seriously.
Do the moderation team have ANY ideas on how to keep this from happening?
Take away the "Thread lock" button. There's a reason why other forums of this size do not offer that option to users. I don't totally love that option because I do think there's value in having service operators be able to make announcement threads which are locked so they don't get derailed. Because you can't filter a thread by poster here, there's no easy way to find information posted by service operators in amongst the multiple trainwrecks which get spawned around the one basic topic. Perhaps we could still allow them the option to have a locked announcement/update thread in IA only if they participate in the discussion threads relevant to those announcements. I do believe that only service operators, the devs, and the mods/admins should be able to open threads in the "Important Announcements" forum. There is no reason why VIP membership alone should grant someone the right to open threads in that forum. The mods already copy the OP of important threads into IA with a link if it's started in another forum. There's no good reason for letting VIPs use IA as their personal soapbox. I'm strongly in favour of taking away the delete button though (maybe set a five minute window in which a post/thread can be deleted).
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