On a somewhat off-topic bent, I wonder if on a small scale, the ASIC world portends the general trend of the future. bASIC and BFL being two US based companies, Avalon and ASICMiner being two asia based companies; we see ASICMiner with chips in hand, Avalon with a supremely confident air as to delivering mid-January. For contrast we see BFL with continual delays and apologies, and bASIC basically folding up shop completely (in favor of selling to an Asian company).
More likely it gets down to project management experience. You need incredible people on the ground if you're going to manage a project remotely from another country and you need to choose those people wisely - it's an acquired skill because all personal representatives are not equal and the success of your project turns on their relationships with your chosen suppliers. It's honestly pretty amazing that it took this long for one of the ASIC teams to bow out of the race.
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Do not worry. These ASIAN benefactors will not let anyone down.
EDIT: No seriously. This is hilarious.
ASIAN benefactors.
This is priceless. I do hope the security of our personal information isn't just forked over to some unknown Asian company... I do not want my name, address and any other information handed over at all It's OK for their sweatshops fabs to make our hardware, but I don't want to deal with an Asian company.
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Tom has sold his interest in bASIC. I am selling my share in BTCFPGA and it is now going to be owned by a asian company that is 100% sure of a March Delivery. if you are not interested in doing business with this company please feel free to filll out a refund request and we will refund your money is full. There is plenty enough money to make all of these refunds and I have been a pillar of this community for years, so please no panic. Anyone that wants a refund - they will receive one today. Please I ask you to please accept my apologize - if you can wait until March you will receive a superior ASIC mining device, if you lost your trust in me and my company than I dont blame you at all. But please understand I tried the best at the best of my ability and I can't take any of this anymore. I am not the right man for this job. Your new ASIAN benefactors will be online soon to greet you all and see where were are at and hopefully they can calm some of your nerves. https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=954.msg2804#msg2804
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This was posted on the bASIC forums. It seems to suggest all customers should now be refunded automatically unless they notify bASIC that they want to keep their order. By law, you must have a reasonable basis for stating that a product can be shipped within a certain time. If your advertising doesn't clearly and prominently state the shipment period, you must have a reasonable basis for believing that you can ship within 30 days.
If you can't ship within the promised time (or within 30 days if you made no promise), you must notify the customer of the delay, provide a revised shipment date and explain his right to cancel and get a full and prompt refund.
For definite delays of up to 30 days, you may treat the customer's silence as agreeing to the delay. But for longer or indefinite delays - and second and subsequent delays - you must get the customer's written, electronic or verbal consent to the delay. If the customer doesn't give you his okay, you must promptly refund all the money the customer paid you without being asked by the customer.
Finally, you have the right to cancel orders that you can't fill in a timely manner, but you must promptly notify the customer of your decision and make a prompt refund. http://business.ftc.gov/documents/alt051-selling-internet-prompt-delivery-rulesCan't remember the full details, but I think Tom had some investment cash from "prominent members of the Bitcoin community" prior to accepting pre-order money, which is not to say that he hasn't spent all of that and some of the pre-order capital too, but I don't think he was funding the whole venture entirely on pre-payments. Yep. Also like the ModMiner quad this project is being partially funded by lenders in the Bitcointalk lending syndicate. We contracted a well known overseas company to provide us with a SHA256 hashing core that could be applied to Bitcoin mining, this company is one of the top design firms in the world when it comes to SHA256 IP cores. We leased what is called an RTL design which allows us to use any target ASIC process technology of our choice, once we had the core design we spent some money to have some made (this took some time) and turned those over to the hardware development team. We have two guys which I have no problem admitting are much smarter than I am who have come up with a working development board using multiple instances of the hashing core I indicated above. They have a very very (did I mention very?) primitive hacked together mining program that is being used to test, testing has been going on for about 2 weeks now with positive enough results that encouraged me to go public with our next generation of Bitcoin mining product. The hardware guys are still working on finalizing the pcb board design and there is a lot of firmware and software work that needs to be completed. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=79637.msg1157886#msg1157886
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Are things really this bad? Geez. Hopefully Tom can pull it together, fess up with what's going on, and move forward. If he keeps this up i'm afraid he's toast.
Let's hope he can get it together enough to process refunds quickly because if there are any delays in processing refunds this snowball is going to turn into an avalanche. I hope he can also see just how unwise it is to try to convince people to let you manage their hardware when you're having trouble getting that hardware made.
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So I'm guessing you cashed out the gift cards you got for Christmas and spent the proceeds on drugs instead of paying squall, judging by the drivel you just posted.
You're not an enlightened being, you're a drug-fucked teenager. Do something about it before it bites you in the ass.
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This is getting more bizarre by the minute. Tom just posted this 11 minutes after the post I quoted above. hi
Looks like I may have screwed up unless China schedule is way diff from ours or something
can someone from China please clear this up so we can move forward thanks https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=909.msg2800#msg2800Seriously Tom, stop posting until you straighten up. I hope to hell you haven't been communicating with your suppliers while you're in this state.
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Is he drunk? He sounds drunk.
Given the typos on both the website update and in that post, I suspect he's imbibed something - let's hope it's not something which causes people to purchase llamas or grand pianos.
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Post I quoted appears to have been deleted. Screen-cap.
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WOW......where did all the BFL haters/trolls go?
Waiting for BFL's announcement on "the week of 13 January". Wow...Where's Tom's official response? Did he just update the web page without making a post? Yep, but the announcement of a delay was expected when he posted about Chinese New Year a couple of days ago. People have a lot of questions, though, because of inconsistencies in statements about exactly where bASIC is up to - it sounds like there may be more steps left to complete before shipping than customers previously believed. "March" is pretty vague, too - the end of March is almost 12 weeks away. Update. Tom has just posted now. Shipping between 15 and 24 March, so a very long wait. Honestly, the post's pretty inadequate given the magnitude of the delay. Chinese new year or new Chinese year year, this a bad time of year to relay on devices that reply so heavily on parts from countries that celebrate thew near years and the up coming spring festival. This based on other delays has had us go back to the drawing board and figure our a realistic shipping date from these products.
We are ready to set a final - never again changing date for bASIC shipment and this will be between March 15th ad Marth 29.
All Domestic orders will receive free priory mail unless otherwise ungraded. Overseas customers have the opportunity for DHL shipping with will be much faster.
I strongly recommend both domestic and overseas customers to take us up on our hosting deal. This will get you the absolute cheapest electrical costs in the country and in hand you will have 24 managed care of your miners, not just the fact that over seas customers will not have to wait to clear customers to receive their packed it means they keep to enjoy mining right away and reap the benefits of the domestic customers who ordered at the same time. The 3d and most special part of the whole thing is the incredibly low electrical usual you will benefit from, we are talking the lowest electrical rates in the country. Something that will make the actual electrical usual of these devices which are very low to begin with completely meaning less!THIS IS THE REAL GAME CHANGER IN THIS MINGING GAME.
and I would be SO surprised if BFL can even been this date to begin with.
So yes no more messing around - I apologize for this un scene problems but i also give you an absolute final unchanging shipping dates via Express MAIL, DHL Express Overnight and USPS overnight is March 15-24 and I guarantee it will not be any slower than most of our competitors if ANY. Not the mention the fact that our overseas customers who decide to host at daves' managed datacetner will see first mining difficulty jump advantages in a worry free and completely managed environment with the absolutely lowest electrical usage rates in the world. No Joke. For thos of you who stay with us. YOU WONT REGRET IT . https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=952.msg2799#newPitching the hosting service in that post was probably a bad idea.
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Expect your shipment early spring.
>Hey, I want to order a Single today, or maybe in a few weeks. When >can I expect it to be delivered? Yeah, I considered that possibility too but his post history doesn't suggest that kind of idiocy.
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thks
Just got an email saying early spring - so not any time soon. pretty sure this is a lie Yeah, it seems odd that no-one else either here or over on the BFL forums has mentioned receiving such an email. Perhaps he got an email from bASIC - who have now stated that they won't be shipping until March.
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thks
Just got an email saying early spring - so not any time soon. Would you care to quote that email in full?
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Also, Tom posted this back in September. Also I am happy to report that we are working out a deal with one of our competitors to supply these asic chips to them at a reasonable price to them , so that they may use in their own mining unit designs which strengthens the network and the market. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=79637.msg1177543#msg1177543If that deal was finalised then this delay isn't going to affect only bASIC customers. Honestly, I think all the ASIC vendors need to bite the bullet and stop the bullshit right now.
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Latest update on bASIC website. Our relationship with our PCB Fab and Packagers has gauranteed us completed ASIC wafers with complete pckages - ready to be assmebled on PCB and shipped out in March 2013 at the very latest . ALL ORDERS WILL SHIP IN MARCH 2013 GAURANTEED Looks like someone needed a couple of drinks before posting that. https://www.bitcoinasic.net/
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Won't they also give you like a week ahead of time to ship your FPGA before they start shipping ASICs? I believe the BTC collateral was more for international customers where 7 days may not be enough time to ship your FPGA to them without costing an arm and a leg.
Yep, they've said they'll give at least a week's notice which is why that should be a good indication that shipping is actually imminent.
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It was my impression that you do NOT need to send them any coins to get your upgrade. If you wanted to send them coins as collateral for your upgrade while you ship the old Single back, you can.
No, you don't need to but they won't ship your ASIC until they receive your FPGA if you don't (they obviously don't trust users as much as they expect users to trust them).
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I can make my full guarantee, this is because I can make sure no coin is lost during the trade.
If you do not want to make invest I ask for you to leave, and not be this troll.
I can prove myself to be the successful deposit accept. Why make these false assumptions?
Nope. Either explain your "trading system" or everyone's going to assume that you're yet another ponzi operator. If you're genuine, there's literally no reason whatsoever for not explaining how you're going to make money with depositor funds. The onus is entirely on you to convince people that you're not operating a ponzi and you're failing dismally at that so far.
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I didn't even know that I could send them an equivalent amount. This must have been some option that came up recently. I just assumed that when my order was ready I 'd have to send in my FPGA.
Here you go. We plan on giving at least a weeks notice. If you want to send us BTC as a deposit while we ship your ASICs, we will do that as well and then refund you back the BTC when we receive the FPGA unit. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/606-shipping-back-fpgas.htmlThis is why no-one's going to believe delivery of BFL ASICs is imminent until Josh tells people to start sending back their FPGAs.
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2) BFL hasn't received any FPGA Singles to count towards the ASICs. I myself have an upgrade from a Single to a SC Single, but I'm still hashing away on the FPGA Single until the actual hardware is released.
I know it's been mentioned recently that people are going to need to send BFL an amount equivalent to the value of their FPGA if the want their ASIC shipped before they return their existing hardware, but I'm curious about whether buyers assumed from the outset that this is how upgrades would work.
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