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1961  Economy / Economics / Re: The human brain is not ready to deal with exponential growth on: October 27, 2017, 05:51:03 PM
Yes, bumping old threads is against unofficial rules. I learned that recently.

No necroposts were made so it's all good.



I was also a non-believer of exponential growths in bitcoin 2 years back. A coin that is intended to oppose the world's banks and currencies would never be valued over a thousand dollars since governments would be trying so hard to take it down before it makes any significant effect to the global economy. Fast forward here I am, never been so wrong in my life and benefiting with the exponential growth that I deemed impossible two years ago.

It is embedded within a human's psyche that something would be impossible unless there would be evidences to back it up and they witnessed it first hand. Up to now, I still can't believe that $6000 is possible on a purely speculative asset, and I started buying @ $200 3 years ago. Back then, everyone is happy with a $20 gain within a week, but now everyone is aiming higher since we all know that it is possible since we witnessed it already.

I talked to Trace Mayer last year and when he was defending his $3000 prediction he was getting a lot of hate, thinking he was a mindless pumper. We did hit $3000 and broke if after the halving and after defeating the Bitcoin Unlimited nonsense.

We are now on a similar situation where the only thing we need to do is to beat the Segwit2x hardfork nonsense. If we get past this, $10000 is pretty possible as early as 2018 Q1, some people even call it before.

Remember that everyone that didn't buy bitcoin back then was because they were thinking linearly, not exponentially, so don't make the same mistake. Keep writing to everyone supporting segwit2x to stop supporting it, dump B2X come November and we will reach ATH soon,
1962  Economy / Economics / The human brain is not ready to deal with exponential growth on: October 27, 2017, 04:42:41 PM
I was reading old posts to try to find what people were saying back in the day about BTC reaching $5000 and found interesting post such as this:

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Not going to happen.  I doubt we'll ever see $100 BTCs much less BTCs selling regularly for thousands of USD per BTC.  Not in 20 years, not in 100 years.  Just think about how much bid depth you'd have to have to absorb even 1000BTCs at $5000 without slipping, say, 10%.  At just $100/BTC you'd have to have somebody with a single $100,000 bid at 100$/BTC not get any slippage.

The price might make another go at the previous all time high, but just like the pump and dump that induced that high last time, it won't hold there but momentarily because there simply is not, and probably will never be, the necessary depth to keep the price up.  I'm confident we haven't seen the last of single digits, and we'll probably still be seeing single digits years from now.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=100487.0 (not necessarily post here, admins dont seem to like old threads being brought up again for some reason, but it's good to read this for historical reasons)

Also a lot of people were talking about the scaling drama already back then.

It's funny here we are hitting $6000 now. A lot of people posting there sold and are now depressed for life.
1963  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: how to move bitcoin-core from linux to windows ? on: October 26, 2017, 06:16:56 PM
If you want to reuse your blockchain data in a fork (for example, to access the Bitcoin Gold coins after the fork), do I need to put both blocks and chainstate folder, or chainstate will not be compatible even if both Bitcoin Core and Bitcoin Gold Core (or whatever is called) are basically the same? (let's say it's an 0.15 fork, which I still don't know) or should I only use the blocks folder because the chainstate folder can never be compatible with a fork?
The chainstate folder can be compatible in a fork. However if the chainstate folder is for a blockchain that is synced past the fork, it may not necessarily work when switching to the other fork of the blockchain.

But isn't this the case with the block files too?

If I opened Bitcoin Core client today and synced it, and I tried to access Bitcoin Cash with the Bitcoin ABC client and I put the blocks folder there in the ABC folder, my blocks would have newer blocks that never happened in the Bitcoin Cash chain.

So I open ABC with these block files and it reaches past the day of the fork... what happens with the existing block files that don't correspond to the BCash chain? It just starts downloading and they get overwritten? Why is this different with the chainstate files?

(PS: I guess I could always order the files by date and just copy the blocks and chainstate files right before the fork happened)
1964  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: how to move bitcoin-core from linux to windows ? on: October 26, 2017, 05:51:45 PM
All you need are the blocks and the chainstate folders.

If you want to reuse your blockchain data in a fork (for example, to access the Bitcoin Gold coins after the fork), do I need to put both blocks and chainstate folder, or chainstate will not be compatible even if both Bitcoin Core and Bitcoin Gold Core (or whatever is called) are basically the same? (let's say it's an 0.15 fork, which I still don't know) or should I only use the blocks folder because the chainstate folder can never be compatible with a fork?
1965  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: John Mcafee to release his own token - McafeeCoin on: October 26, 2017, 04:17:08 PM
Crypto bubble seems to be very close, every company started to create its own tokens and ico. So what? what will happen next? Who will be the loser? They will not be the loser, because that money is ours not theirs

It's pretty obvious who the losers will be: The ones that buy the altcoins and end up bagholding them instead of selling them for bitcoin profits.

I haven't bothered yet reading what this "McAfeeCoin" brings to the table, but I predict is some random shitcoin to add to the endless sea of shitcoin.

Don't forget that McAfee is a known troll and I don't doubt he would be into promoting his own ICO for a quick buck. Even Jeff Garzik is launching his own coin after causing all the drama with segwit2x.

All these scammers want is to steal your hard earned BTC.

There is definitely a critical mass of altcoins in the market. The total crypto market cap shouldn't be 170 billion or whatever it is right now. Adoption isn't high enough. Long term this is a good hold but right now it's too speculative, especially alts.

Bitcoin's marketcap is going to be worth a trillion+ during the next decade. The question that we should be asking is... how much of that money will be money coming outside the crypto market vs altcoins being sold for Bitcoin?

It's pretty obvious that the overall crypto marketcap will grow thanks to BTC, but im not sure what amount of altcoins will still be surviving long term. I think there will be a couple that are way higher than they are now, even if compared to BTC they will be of small marketcaps. I see Monero and Litecoin as one of the few legit projects thus far that I know of.
If crypto become the go-to financial instrument for capital acquisition and profit sharing we will probably see a significant amount of money from the "outside world" entering crypto.


I'm much more curious as to how much longer stock exchanges will remain dominant, as they can only be accessed during certain times and have higher fees - and are thus inferior from a technological standpoint.

But perhaps stock exchanges might end up using the blockchain for their back-end algorithms and end up being open 24/7 and with cheaper fees as a result?


I see stocks being backed up by blockchain tokens, it would be cool to see it as a sidechain in bitcoin, but government ego is too big and they would want to have their own blockchain that issues SEC approved stocks or something along the lines.

It's going to be interesting indeed to see how the traditional markets can compete against something that is worldwide, borderless, permissionless, and never takes a vacation.

I would like to be able to trade stocks via bitcoin and it would be possible thanks to lightning network, atomic cross transactions, drivechain/sidechains etc... it would definitely be possible but first stocks must go blockchain.
1966  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: John Mcafee to release his own token - McafeeCoin on: October 26, 2017, 03:15:08 PM
Crypto bubble seems to be very close, every company started to create its own tokens and ico. So what? what will happen next? Who will be the loser? They will not be the loser, because that money is ours not theirs

It's pretty obvious who the losers will be: The ones that buy the altcoins and end up bagholding them instead of selling them for bitcoin profits.

I haven't bothered yet reading what this "McAfeeCoin" brings to the table, but I predict is some random shitcoin to add to the endless sea of shitcoin.

Don't forget that McAfee is a known troll and I don't doubt he would be into promoting his own ICO for a quick buck. Even Jeff Garzik is launching his own coin after causing all the drama with segwit2x.

All these scammers want is to steal your hard earned BTC.

There is definitely a critical mass of altcoins in the market. The total crypto market cap shouldn't be 170 billion or whatever it is right now. Adoption isn't high enough. Long term this is a good hold but right now it's too speculative, especially alts.

Bitcoin's marketcap is going to be worth a trillion+ during the next decade. The question that we should be asking is... how much of that money will be money coming outside the crypto market vs altcoins being sold for Bitcoin?

It's pretty obvious that the overall crypto marketcap will grow thanks to BTC, but im not sure what amount of altcoins will still be surviving long term. I think there will be a couple that are way higher than they are now, even if compared to BTC they will be of small marketcaps. I see Monero and Litecoin as one of the few legit projects thus far that I know of.
1967  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: John Mcafee to release his own token - McafeeCoin on: October 25, 2017, 06:55:11 PM
Crypto bubble seems to be very close, every company started to create its own tokens and ico. So what? what will happen next? Who will be the loser? They will not be the loser, because that money is ours not theirs

It's pretty obvious who the losers will be: The ones that buy the altcoins and end up bagholding them instead of selling them for bitcoin profits.

I haven't bothered yet reading what this "McAfeeCoin" brings to the table, but I predict is some random shitcoin to add to the endless sea of shitcoin.

Don't forget that McAfee is a known troll and I don't doubt he would be into promoting his own ICO for a quick buck. Even Jeff Garzik is launching his own coin after causing all the drama with segwit2x.

All these scammers want is to steal your hard earned BTC.
1968  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you think bitcoin gold value will rise to bitcoin value on: October 25, 2017, 06:31:29 PM
The only fork that will get to bitcoin's value is the fork that gets 100% support from the community, and this includes holders, merchants, exchanges, miners, and everyone. EVERY other fork is going to get dumped for more BTC. No fork can even stabilize at 50% of BTC's value, they will all sink. It's really a losing bet if you think you can time the market by selling your BTC for a fork and hope you can sell for profit... the common sense action is just to dump them on sight before it's too late. This applies for the up and coming SegWit2x fork and so on. Whenever there is real consensus for a real hardfork we all will know, and the correct thing to do will be to hold both, thus far there has never been such a consensus, so just keep dumping all the forks.
1969  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Request: search function in the addresses windows on: October 25, 2017, 05:17:40 PM
What you want to know is whether you have the address in your wallet. I'm not sure that a search function is necessarily the way to go, you don't want to search for it since you already have it, you just want to know if it is in your wallet. You can do that right now using the debug console with the validateaddress command. Just do validateaddress <address> and in the output you will see something that says ismine. If the address is yours and you have the private key, that field will say true.

Yeah, like I said im aware that you can do these things with the console command, you can pretty much do anything with cvars, but how can we get more people to use Bitcoin Core if we don't make the GUI better? most people are too scared to use debug consoles. If we want to establish a culture where everyone runs a node, we need to make the GUI as user friendly as possible.

Also, what I think would make everyone run a node is if we somehow managed to not need to download the entire blockchain at first boot to run pruned mode. Sure having the full blockchain is better, but if we could get the people that use Electrum to download 1 GB to run bitcoin core, the node count would skyrocket. Too bad this seems somehow impossible at least for now. Maybe in the future some genius comes up with a way to do it.
1970  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: SSD update worth it? on: October 25, 2017, 03:16:01 PM
I would say yes. Even if im not sure to what extent it would have an impact on running a bitcoin full node, it is definitely worth the money. Loading times are decreased by orders of magnitude. It's worth the time wasted each time you boot your computer waiting for your OS to start alone.

Also notice that there are a new time of SSD called m.2 that look like this:

http://www.dkoutletstore.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Samsung-950-PRO-Series-512GB-PCIe-NVMe-M2-Internal-SSD-MZ-V5P512BW-0-5.jpg

This ones are even faster, 3x times faster than normal SSD. If your MOBO supports it then go for it.

Solid State Drives are always a sound investment due to the increased speed and reliability whatever the application.
Someone who only wants to store video and image files (for example) wouldn't really benefit a lot from SSDs, since you usually only have to copy or download them one single time. And viewing videos doesn't benefit from the increase in speed, so I wouldn't say that it's always a good investment. As with everything, it depends on the individual use cases.

I would say it improves video viewing because you will not ear any noises that could happen during watching a movie, like your OS or drivers auto updating something etc. Decrease in noise is worth it too.
1971  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: cryptofolio.info - Free coin portfoilio with graphs!!! - Now with 432 coins !!! on: October 24, 2017, 06:05:43 PM
Could you add Bitcoin Gold in cryptofolio.info? I know there's a process to this where people has to vote (or pay for it if it wants to be added faster) but aren't we all interested in listing our Bitcoin Gold there to control the price? I want to be able to follow the price because I don't have access to the coins until november since I didn't want to leave m coins in some exchange, so I will have to wait and monitor the price, which im afraid will keep dumping, but I didn't want to risk my coins at an exchange.
1972  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Request: search function in the addresses windows on: October 24, 2017, 04:37:16 PM
With all the hacking of accounts going on in the forum in the past few days, I've been learning about the signature and verification of messages through bitcoin addresses. It's pretty easy and straightforward, but I realized that in order to recover the account, you need to search through your endless amounts of receiving addresses to find an address that will fit the criteria for address recovery (an unedited post, a quoted post, or a closed thread that contains your address before the hack). If you only have one wallet in your entire history on bitcoin it should be there, but if you use different wallet files (now a growing trend due the forks) you need to search through the wallet addresses and it's annoying.

It could be so much easier if we could have a simple search bar to copy and paste the address there and automatically find it. Since one tends to create one address for each transaction, the receiving address window has an huge list. I know you can just export the file and search there and you could list all in the command console and use ctrl+f, but it would be cooler if we could do this in the GUI and save time.



Maybe make it possible to search Label column too in case you know you want to find your "Blog address" but don't know what address you used for that.
1973  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How to prepare to Segwit2x and Bitcoin Gold ? on: October 24, 2017, 03:28:56 PM
Should I stop accepting/sending bitcoins in days before / after forking, or wait some more confirmations more than 3-6 ?

If you only care about BTC, it shouldn't matter. There is supposed to be replay protection for Bitcoin Gold, but even if there isn't, you only risk losing Bitcoin Gold by transacting normally with BTC.

The real risk in these forks (if they have no replay protection) is in trying to send the forked coins. Many users will likely get those transactions "replayed" on the original chain, and if the funds are sent to an address they don't control, they will be lost.

I hope that in the future we have more simplistic coin splitting tools to make it easy for users to dump their altcoins without putting their BTC at risk. At least, I hope to see RBF and nLocktime become more intuitive for users, so they don't have to depend on exchanges/third party services to split coins for them.
your information is appreciated but a per i research some people are saying even i can lost bitcoins in this time due to replay attack.
I know bitcoin gold enabled replay protection but still everyone is scared i donot know why.
Besides one thing we can do is to send all our bitcoins to diffrent wallet that we have also control of and then use the previous wallets private key addresss to claim our bitcoin gold.
that old address then donot have any bitcoins though that have the snapshot so we can have our gold..Smiley
 

I would do exactly that. Empty your wallet, then use these emptied private keys to access your chains on the forkcoin chain after the split, even if the developers claim there's replay protection, it's better to not having matching addresses before you do any transactions. Better to be paranoid than sorry when it comes to bitcoin, can't loss a single satoshi because of doing something stupid so take all the extra security measures when possible.
1974  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Segwit2X - (Gold Fork) Date on: October 24, 2017, 03:15:00 PM
Gold forked earlier today. 2x is just about to fork on November. Curious about how this will go and I hope that effort won't hurt bitcoin. It's such a good asset which has kinda disrupted monopolies in the world of finance. But with forks that give only one side of the party the win, it'll just be a whole new monopoly. Hope everyone gets to a solution where bitcoin moves forward and yet remains the same old crypto we fell in love with.

Im not worried about x2 at all anymore. The nail in the coffin has been this:

https://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/2892985-segwit-2x-faq

"Following the fork, Coinbase will continue referring to the current bitcoin blockchain as Bitcoin (BTC) and the forked blockchain as Bitcoin2x (B2X)."

Coinbase is one of the biggest exchanges out there and they will not list 2x as BTC. Now people will not be confused when they want to dump B2X fore more BTC. Miners are going to be forced to mine BTC and not B2X because the price of B2X will tank badly just like the other forks.

I was so happy to see this statement on Twitter thus morning. Coinbase is still one of the most important crypto companies in the west and has a massive influence. This is huge and 2x is practically dead before it even forked. I hope we will be able to make some sort of example out of 2x and discourage others to attempt new forks.


If we survive segwit2x (and now I have no doubts that we will) it's going to be a good example of what happens when you go against users, and think backroom deals within corporations are going to work when it comes to changing the Core protocol.

Apparently Garzik is already working on his own altcoin:

http://fortune.com/2017/10/24/bitcoin-metronome/

And guess who is in the advisor board:



1975  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: when you try to explain people about cryptocurrency do they understand? on: October 24, 2017, 02:33:42 PM
They tend to be curious at first but when i try to explain to them its nature, they tend to be more skeptical about it. Well i cant blame, because i myself find it hard to understand what bitcoin is at first. I think its human nature to be skeptical to things they cant see and comprehend.

Them main problem is to explain to them how bitcoin requires no central bank and no central authority to be issued, and it's not backed by any government. If it lacks these "features", then for them the only way to explain it is by calling it a speculative bubble. It's like they cannot fathom the idea of creating value that doesn't require governmental approval. Very sad sheep mentality. These people can't be saved. There's a reason we the pioneers that will get rich and they aren't, don't waste your time trying to evangelize bitcoin around and mind your own business.
1976  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Segwit2X - (Gold Fork) Date on: October 24, 2017, 01:01:18 PM
Gold forked earlier today. 2x is just about to fork on November. Curious about how this will go and I hope that effort won't hurt bitcoin. It's such a good asset which has kinda disrupted monopolies in the world of finance. But with forks that give only one side of the party the win, it'll just be a whole new monopoly. Hope everyone gets to a solution where bitcoin moves forward and yet remains the same old crypto we fell in love with.

Im not worried about x2 at all anymore. The nail in the coffin has been this:

https://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/2892985-segwit-2x-faq

"Following the fork, Coinbase will continue referring to the current bitcoin blockchain as Bitcoin (BTC) and the forked blockchain as Bitcoin2x (B2X)."

Coinbase is one of the biggest exchanges out there and they will not list 2x as BTC. Now people will not be confused when they want to dump B2X fore more BTC. Miners are going to be forced to mine BTC and not B2X because the price of B2X will tank badly just like the other forks.
1977  Economy / Economics / Re: Fiat Money is a Bubble on: October 23, 2017, 07:06:23 PM
Since many people try to convince us that Bitcoin is a bubble and how we will lose our money eventually, I wonder if money is not a bubble actually. There exist economies in which money has a positive value in spite its market fundamental is zero. That means fiat money has zero value. Fiat money is a social contrivance. We take money from other people because we know other people will take it from us. In theory and practice the fiat money is a bubble.

It is obviously a bubble, but is a bubble that is sustained by a monopoly in violence. You are forced to accept fiat money and you are forced to work for it, therefore the flow of such money is never ending.

People all over the world accept dollars no matter how much they print, and this will be the case as long as it is accepted.

Bitcoin attempts to create an asset that is of limited supply and global, and optionally accepted, which is the opposite of fiat. Sooner or later, all fiat currencies fail due their government's failing, and bitcoin since it has no government or country attached to it, with reap the benefits and reign as ideal (or the most ideal thus far) money.
1978  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Australia moves to regulate the bitcoin is it good or bad ? on: October 23, 2017, 06:29:23 PM
Australian goverment is one step a way to regulate the bitcoin to combat money laundering and terrorism financing.

What do you think the implication of these in general and especially to the bitcoin holder  in Australia?would love to hear your views??

See below article

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-23/bitcoin-one-step-closer-to-being-regulated-in-australia/9058582?pfmredir=sm

Contrary to popular belief, regulations are good. If you want to interact with the legacy banking system, you have to avid to existing laws and regulations, you can't expect the governments to treat bitcoin as wild wild west gateway where you can go in and out of fiat. Regulations legitimize bitcoin in the eyes of governments and it's better than a ban. Regulations are no longer seen as bearish in the market as we can see nobody cares about these news, so regulate it as much as they want, it doesn't matter for us hodlers (and if the regulation is a mess like BitLicense, there are always alternatives anyway).
1979  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How To Arbitrage What pair Of Exchanges is it possible on: October 23, 2017, 05:54:35 PM
Hi Anyone Know How To Arbitrage ?

To arbitrage you need to consider the transaction time of the coin you are attempting to withdraw and deposit, the fees of the transactions, and the fees of the exchange itself.

Arbitraging with smaller altcoins is easier than with bitcoin because the bitcoin transaction time is too high, so by the time your transaction is completed, the exchange price may have changed, along with the fees, this is why mostly why people don't bother (I think) and this is why there are big gaps in price between exchanges.
1980  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to get bitcoin gold ? on: October 23, 2017, 03:24:49 PM
What are the exchanges that would support bitcoin gold and what are the ways to get bitcoin gold?

The best way is to download Bitcoin Core and put your bitcoins there, then simply wait for the hardfork to happen.

https://btcgpu.org/

According to this website, you have 21 hours to get your setup ready to access the BGold. You must be holding your private keys ideally, but you can also deposit them in an exchange that will list it, this increases risk tho, with the benefit of having instant access to the coins to dump them. Click on "ecosystem" on that website and you will see the supported exchanges.

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