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1221  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning Network / Bitcoin scaling question on: April 19, 2018, 02:10:02 AM
Segwit was not "accepted by bitcoiners", it was accepted by some bitcoiners (again my point, total consensus is impossible), others didn't accept it, which resulted in BCash being created, but this was a soft fork. If a way to get segwit via soft-fork was never found, it would have either never happened, or we would have Bitcoin and Bitcoin-segwit in a separate chain (which some would claim to be Bitcoin), and so on.

There's an abundance of evidence to suggest that Bitcoin Cash was a small minority of original Bitcoiners, not least the way the exchange rate of BCH has dived and dived. 95% acceptance or thereabouts is the best that could be expected realistically, and that's about what happened. Saying "100 people out of several 100,000's didn't agree" is not much of an argument.

It's difficult to measure these things, "100 people out of several 100,000's didn't agree" is not much of an argument, but what im sure is, if segwit wasn't done as a soft fork, and it activated, there would be people mining the original chain, and we would have a 2-coin situation.

Also, it's not so much the amount of people, but the skin in the game, namely, people owning a ton of coins ready to dump their share on your chain, crashing the price, and thus forcing miners to mine back on the legacy chain.
1222  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning Network / Bitcoin scaling question on: April 18, 2018, 03:45:23 PM
I don't see how. Please explain how consensus around increasing the blocksize is ever going to happen?

This is circular reasoning.

If a majority can agree not to increase the blocksize limit, then that is a consensus decision by definition. The logic wasn't "no increase, because Bitcoiners say no to everything, always". The logic was "no increase, because it's the wrong decision at this point in time, for design reasons".

My point is that there will always be people that don't want to do X, which means the result will be getting an altcoin, and the legacy chain will go on.

When a case is made that makes sense to the majority of Bitcoiners, they'll accept a blockweight increase. For instance, Segwit was an increase in blockweight, and Bitcoiners accepted it. So it's already happened, saying "it's never going to happen" is a difficult argument to sustain given this reality.

Segwit was not "accepted by bitcoiners", it was accepted by some bitcoiners (again my point, total consensus is impossible), others didn't accept it, which resulted in BCash being created, but this was a soft fork. If a way to get segwit via soft-fork was never found, it would have either never happened, or we would have Bitcoin and Bitcoin-segwit in a separate chain (which some would claim to be Bitcoin), and so on.
1223  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning Network / Bitcoin scaling question on: April 17, 2018, 05:23:55 PM
I think we will see a block weight increase in the future.

But I also think that this should not be rushed.

The first step was to get Segwit which is essential for lot of future improvements including lightning.

But I guess lot of people did not understand that it's not done by just activating Segwit.
It's important that people and companies also use Segwit so it can show it's benefits.

And I think the only way it was possible to force companies to implement Segwit in their services was to reject the Segwit2X fork.

Companies usually first think about their money.
So what is cheaper for them?
Increasing the block weight where they don't have anything to do or hire some developers to implement Segwit in their software.

Of course the companies decide to go the easy and cheap way.

With the Segwit2X I think we would have temporarily solved the full blocks end of last year but I'm quite sure that nearly no company would have implemented Segwit on their side as everything is fine even without using Segwit.
Without the overfilled mempool end of last year (which might be caused by attacking the network with spam transactions), I also think that Segwit adoption by the big companies did not happen that "fast". Because of high transactions fees they were forced to implement Segwit and batching transactions to maintain their businesses.

Therefore I can completely understand that lot of people (including lot of Bitcoin Core team members) were against a block weight increase for now.
But I don't see this rejection of the 2X as "they are against an increase forever".

So in short. Segwit need to get adopted which would be much slower if also a block weight increase happened.
After adoption of Segwit and other soft fork scaling solutions I'm sure we will see also an increase of the block weight (maybe not in the near future, but it will come).

I don't see how. Please explain how consensus around increasing the blocksize is ever going to happen? Because again, it will only lead to 2 things:

1) Bitcoin will continue with 1MB as there will still be people mining and transacting on it
2) There will be a 2MB or whatever blocksize hardfork, which companies and exchanges will claim it's Bitcoin, even if Core team agrees, it doesn't make it Bitcoin

So you will have the legacy chain existing and the new chain existing, and we already have this (Bcash).

The blocksize cannot be increased, it will always lead to a new altcoin, which some may call Bitcoin. Bitcoin is basically impossible to hardfork at this point (without again, ending up with 2 coins).
1224  Economy / Speculation / Re: Website to follow McAfee's $1,000,000 model on: April 17, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
Actually we did see 100 fold, back in 2013, with a media frenzy when BTC was approaching $1,000 that fueled that year’s “bubble”. In January of that year, one BTC was trading at around $15, went all the way up to $266 by April, and then crashed back to $50 within just days of reaching the peak. By November it had already reached $1,000, peaking at $1,242 (that is by mt gox prices). That’s an almost 100X increase in 11 months right there, an order of magnitude larger than last years 10-fold run up.

So when there's a new media frenzy and with all the infrastructure ready for big whales to get in, I don't see why not it's possible to do another x100 until Dec. 30 2020. The amount of fiat needed is still a drop in a sea of fiat out there.

I don't discount the possibility of 100-fold increase at all because Bitcoin can break pretty much any and all expectations. I think the chance is pretty low though.

We know that coins with low market cap are much more vulnerable to pumps. If we think about it in absolute terms, an increase from $15 to $1000 is only an increase of $985 -- an amount that is likely to be dismissed as normal market fluctuation nowadays. I'm pretty sure the amount of money that had to flow into the market for an increase like that is still nothing compared to, let's say, $7k going to $19k.

Bitcoin was also arguably at its peak popularity last December when it reached its current all-time-high, and even then it couldn't even manage a 3-fold increase. The infrastructure you've cited is also a problem as the Lightning Network still looks far from ready for primetime, and its initial release barely created any buzz at all. 100x is probably possible within the next three years, but it's a long shot.

We don't need Bitcoin to reach all time highs in "popularity" in order to reach all time highs in price. We also don't really need the lightning network to be primed for mainstream use, in order to reach a 100-fold valuation. Do you think that the people that have the most money in this world are popular or have a problem paying 10 bucks for a fee? (and right now is cheap as hell).

I just don't see this fixation with needing to have the average joe involved in order for BTC to reach higher valuations. The infrastructure is already there. Big investors could buy trillions worth of BTC and their money would be safe, what does LN have to do with that?

LN is just a promising technology for the long term which may or not work out, but the digital gold features have been there ready to host heavyweight portfolios for a couple of years now.
1225  Economy / Speculation / Re: Website to follow McAfee's $1,000,000 model on: April 17, 2018, 01:56:08 PM
McAfee claims that he has made some mathematical models to estimate the price of Bitcoin by $1,000,000 before December 31, 2020. On this interesting website, you can follow his model/bet and see if we are on track:

https://fnordprefekt.de/

If we are above the red line, or touching it, we are in good shape to reach the $1,000,000 prediction, if we go below, it would mean we are oversold, and therefore a good time to buy the dip. So far we are right on track after the big dip.

It's a bold prediction for sure, especially when you are looking from the outside in in a bear market.

As you said, you never know how high bitcoin goes in a bull market. It's not impossible for McAfee's predictions to become reality, although, I'd say safely that the chances of it actually happening is very very low.

We haven't seen bitcoin go 100 fold in 2 years before, and I doubt it's going to happen straight after 2017's pumps have come to an end.

Ultimately, bitcoin will reach $1 million, no doubt. But McAfee's prediction is restricted by time, and I think that he may very well run out of time as inflation isn't really that big of a factor in a timespan like 2 years. And when BTC does hit that kind of figure, fiat would have depreciated by a lot.

Actually we did see 100 fold, back in 2013, with a media frenzy when BTC was approaching $1,000 that fueled that year’s “bubble”. In January of that year, one BTC was trading at around $15, went all the way up to $266 by April, and then crashed back to $50 within just days of reaching the peak. By November it had already reached $1,000, peaking at $1,242 (that is by mt gox prices). That’s an almost 100X increase in 11 months right there, an order of magnitude larger than last years 10-fold run up.

So when there's a new media frenzy and with all the infrastructure ready for big whales to get in, I don't see why not it's possible to do another x100 until Dec. 30 2020. The amount of fiat needed is still a drop in a sea of fiat out there.
1226  Economy / Speculation / Re: Website to follow McAfee's $1,000,000 model on: April 16, 2018, 11:42:53 PM
McAfee should stop making himself look like a clown -- the more he publicly speaks out, the more credibility he loses. I am already happy if we manage to reach the $50,000 level before then end of 2020, which is somewhat of a conservative estimate, but I realistically can't see the price end up reaching much higher than $100,000 by that time. Seriously, what developments before the end of 2020 will be able to justify a $1,000,000 valuation? I can't think of anything within such a short period of time -- we need a more reliable form of growth, not again empty bull runs that aren't holding their position for long. I strongly hope that if we ever reach the $1,000,000 milestone, it is somewhere between 2025-2030. It takes time to build an economy and ecosystem being worthy of such a valuation. That dude only cares about his investment and ignores the crucial aspects of a market in development....

Bitcoin is perfectly capable of hosting $trillions worth of wealth on the blockchain today. The system will be the same today than tomorrow, than in 10+ years.. that's the whole point of Bitcoin, predictability. The hashrate is strong enough, the software is simple and robust. We don't need any further scaling, it is already a strong store of value. Inflation and global tension could very well put the price to 7 figures faster than we can imagine. Im not saying it will happen, im just posting a model for people to follow. So far, it's working. Even if the price continues dipping, it still could happen, just look at the data.



Did anyone clicked the link? I'm not familiar with it and I'm skeptic on clicking it.
Anyway about McAfee's model, I'm not interested to know what type of model he is. He's no longer reliable with what he is saying.
There are other predictors who has sense with what they are saying.
Even without his words, I do believe that bitcoin will reach $1,000,000 soon whether it's on 2020 or longer.
Due to this, I prefer Tim Draper's speculation rather than his.

The link is safe, I don't click on bullshit myself and i wouldn't post bullshit. It's a simple website with some graphics.

I also like Tim Draper's prediction, but im going to be paying attention to that website. It's not impossible. Bitcoin grows in massive boom and bursts cycles.
1227  Economy / Speculation / Website to follow McAfee's $1,000,000 model on: April 16, 2018, 05:14:08 PM
McAfee claims that he has made some mathematical models to estimate the price of Bitcoin by $1,000,000 before December 31, 2020. On this interesting website, you can follow his model/bet and see if we are on track:

https://fnordprefekt.de/

If we are above the red line, or touching it, we are in good shape to reach the $1,000,000 prediction, if we go below, it would mean we are oversold, and therefore a good time to buy the dip. So far we are right on track after the big dip.
1228  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning Network / Bitcoin scaling question on: April 16, 2018, 04:42:45 PM
Is it just me or does it seem that Lightning Network is only one piece of what Bitcoin needs to scale?
Yes, Bitcoin will need more changes in order to have more transaction capacity. No one is claiming that the Lightning Network is the end all be all of scaling solutions nor is any claiming that we won't need to do anything else. Those who are don't understand how Bitcoin or the Lightning Network work. It would be naive to think that the Lightning Network would magically solve all of our problems.

The problem is calculating actual Bitcoin usage... as we saw in past occasions, the mempool was full, and everytime the mempool is full, the conspiracy theories begin: How do we know if it's just Roger+Jihad using periods of actual organic growth (say a mainstream FOMO moment) making it x1000 times worse with transaction spam, then claiming it wasn't them, just all organic growth from people seeing Bitcoin going to the moon on national television?

I just don't see a way to properly estimate what Bitcoin usage is and therefore if it's worth scaling it to said usage. For a person like me which barely transacts, I couldn't care less, but for others it's an issue... and again we can't know how legit these peaks of full mempool are.

What I do know is, blocksize increases are out of the question... it will NEVER happen. A blocksize increase will always result in 2 Bitcoins basically... the original one, and the new one which claims to be Bitcoin. There will never be consensus about it.


And this is what I'm pointing out. With this attitude, the thing that will NEVER happen is bitcoin being able to scale to a global demand. NEVER. There is only so much you can stuff through a 1mb bottleneck every 10 minutes. If you take increasing that entirely off the table, anything else you do are just half-measures that won't ever solve the problem. Even if with a bunch of scaling solutions they could somehow get onchain txs up to say 100/sec, that probably isn't nearly enough considered people will still do plenty of onchain txs plus opening/closing LN channels. But if you then add an increase to 8x increase to the blocksize, which is probably doable without risking decentralization and whatnot, that 100 txs/sec turns into 800 txs/sec!! Whatever non-blocksize increase solutions are implemented, adding to the blocksize multiplies them all! If you discount that you very likely discount the future success of bitcoin.

Why would you take a serious scaling solution off the table?? Scaling is the biggest problem and bitcoin will fail or succeed based on it. To say the most obvious part of the solution is off the table forever is saying you don't want bitcoin to succeed. It's the most dangerous to the market sure, but that's why you build a consensus for it before you do it. The segwit2x didn't have a consensus so it was very dangerous, but probably the only reason it didn't have a consensus is that bitcoin core was against it and therefore some other team had to say they were gonna do it. The bitcoin team should be building a consensus right now because a lull in the market is the perfect time to make a hard fork with less danger while most of the world is not paying attention.


You don't seem to understand how Bitcoin works. My "attitude" is irrelevant, so is yours to be honest. What you want and what you get are two very different things. If you want bigger blocksizes, but there are enough people with enough resources that want to leave it as it is.. it means there's no consensus to change Bitcoin, and who would be reckless enough to change Bitcoin without consensus? unless you are ok with an altcoin (see BCash).

The value proposition of Bitcoin is that it cannot be easily changed, otherwise it would be worthless. If there's people willing to transact on it, pay the fees, and buy Bitcoin to do so, then it hasn't failed at that, it just failed as an everyday currency, but digital gold features are still there, and again, a digital gold that someone with "the right attitude" can change would be worthless and stupid.

Even if Bitcoin Core said "yes", there are many whales that would have said "no", it's easier said than done.

To sum it up, I want to see Bitcoin viable as a form of everyday payment, but not at the expense of ending up with 2 coins and more drama as everyone claims their Bitcoin is the real Bitcoin, all of this while the price crashes and we have a decrease in hashrate in all chains as miners start fucking around and speculating with the hashrate (see BCash for a taste of that).
1229  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: my brief summary on Proof of Work on: April 16, 2018, 04:21:06 PM
So basically, the longest chain is whatever Jihan is pointing his machines at? this is how I see it at the moment, unfortunately. We need more competition in mining, im looking forward to the next decade to see what others have to offer. Right now im with Luke when it comes to paying attention to hashrate distribution, it's a problem... but changing the PoW would be a disaster and kicking the can down the road. We either need proper game changing approach to PoW or simply we need more competition for Jihan's monopoly. Again, I think things will look different during the next decade, im not too pessimistic.

Yes, the PoW could generate a seriously problem of centralization in the future, but this still  is not a valid reason to change/update the PoW, we still need a consensus of what type of the algorithm will work better, an example of this is to change the SHA2 to ShA3, invalidating all of the asics, or change the PoW to PoS, which theoretically fishish with the high centralization. But all of these examples has their problem and nobody has certainty if these changes can really improve the bitcoin.

The problem is, the longer you leave this unsolved, the worse it will be. If it is basically impossible changing PoW now, I think it's delusional to think it will happen in the future. I guess we will have to deal with what we have and hope for more competition. PoW will never change... unless the algo gets compromised somehow.


Quote from: satoshi
The longest chain not only serves as proof of the sequence of events witnessed, but proof that it came from the largest pool of CPU power. 

So basically, the longest chain is whatever Jihan is pointing his machines at? this is how I see it at the moment, unfortunately. We need more competition in mining, im looking forward to the next decade to see what others have to offer. Right now im with Luke when it comes to paying attention to hashrate distribution, it's a problem... but changing the PoW would be a disaster and kicking the can down the road. We either need proper game changing approach to PoW or simply we need more competition for Jihan's monopoly. Again, I think things will look different during the next decade, im not too pessimistic.

Cobra has the same concerns. I believe some "Bitcoin oracles" were overreacting when they said that he was compromised when he tweeted about buying some Bitcoin Cash.

I personally believe that Bitcoin Cash is good for those people who want to have bigger blocks. But what they should not be doing is claiming that it's the real Bitcoin.

Plus there are some interesting proposals in Bitcoin Cash that should be considered by Bitcoin Core in my opinion, like implementing more Opcodes to add more functionality.

Cobra made 0 sense. One thing is to point at possible centralization of mining on Bitcoin, then a very different thing is saying "im going to buy some Bitcoin Cash" as if BCash wasn't even more centralized. It's sane to think that he was compromised or bribed in some way to shill BCash, it solves none of the fundamental Bitcoin problems.
1230  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: It is NOT secure to use hardware wallets (and it never was) on: April 15, 2018, 06:54:06 PM
If that's the case what can we do then? What kind of microprocessor is your machine using? I mean f*c*ing intel is everywhere! I am about to change my old 2010 laptop (amd)? Do you have any suggestions?

1. Keep that AMD laptop

Best advice right now is to keep pre-2013 AMD and (I think) pre-2007 Intel hardware (which in a stroke of irony are not receiving patches for those kernel memory access exploits that made the news for Intel recently).  


Alternative options to Intel/AMD (which are all compromises of some kind, and all involve more computing skills than x86 platforms):
  • ARM chips (not open designs or fully user controllable, & ARM are beginning to introduce anti-features similar to those that Intel and AMD have, so careful research needed)
  • IBM POWER chips (which are expensive, & not well supported, but the platform is fully user controllable AFAIK)
  • RISC V chips (which are expensive, immature, & not at all widely used, although the design is more open than IBM POWER, and like POWER, whole tech platform is user controllable)

Intel and Microsoft are slowly turning the whole Wintel concept into something closer to owning a Nintendo console than using a proper computer. Using some kind of Unix style operating system on non-Intel hardware will be the only option, eventually.

As you pointed, the purism laptops quoted by the other user do not fully get rid of ME, but as far as I know, the old Thinkpads which have Libreboot installed (which require a change in hardware, except the x60 which can be easily flashed) get rid of it at the highest level possible. I think this is as best as it gets. A t400 is still a decent laptop, specially with an SSD, it should do the job to run a Bitcoin node. I don't see any other option as realistic, I think this is as good as it gets?

I may buy one but I will not do Bitcoin stuff on it, I just want a spare laptop and I would like to try this one, but if I was running a node or wanted to use a laptop as cold storage, why not use one of these? seems pretty solid, I think it's the best we have so far. You could get two: use one as a node, and use the other as a hardware wallet in which you sign transactions, the put them in the node with a QR code to broadcast them, to avoid USB's risks (this one of course must not have wifi cards or anything else)
1231  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: my brief summary on Proof of Work on: April 15, 2018, 06:36:21 PM
Quote from: satoshi
The longest chain not only serves as proof of the sequence of events witnessed, but proof that it came from the largest pool of CPU power.  

So basically, the longest chain is whatever Jihan is pointing his machines at? this is how I see it at the moment, unfortunately. We need more competition in mining, im looking forward to the next decade to see what others have to offer. Right now im with Luke when it comes to paying attention to hashrate distribution, it's a problem... but changing the PoW would be a disaster and kicking the can down the road. We either need proper game changing approach to PoW or simply we need more competition for Jihan's monopoly. Again, I think things will look different during the next decade, im not too pessimistic.
1232  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning Network / Bitcoin scaling question on: April 15, 2018, 05:52:09 PM
Is it just me or does it seem that Lightning Network is only one piece of what Bitcoin needs to scale?
Yes, Bitcoin will need more changes in order to have more transaction capacity. No one is claiming that the Lightning Network is the end all be all of scaling solutions nor is any claiming that we won't need to do anything else. Those who are don't understand how Bitcoin or the Lightning Network work. It would be naive to think that the Lightning Network would magically solve all of our problems.

The problem is calculating actual Bitcoin usage... as we saw in past occasions, the mempool was full, and everytime the mempool is full, the conspiracy theories begin: How do we know if it's just Roger+Jihad using periods of actual organic growth (say a mainstream FOMO moment) making it x1000 times worse with transaction spam, then claiming it wasn't them, just all organic growth from people seeing Bitcoin going to the moon on national television?

I just don't see a way to properly estimate what Bitcoin usage is and therefore if it's worth scaling it to said usage. For a person like me which barely transacts, I couldn't care less, but for others it's an issue... and again we can't know how legit these peaks of full mempool are.

What I do know is, blocksize increases are out of the question... it will NEVER happen. A blocksize increase will always result in 2 Bitcoins basically... the original one, and the new one which claims to be Bitcoin. There will never be consensus about it.
1233  Economy / Economics / Re: CNBC’s Brian Kelly Supports Tim Draper’s BTC Prediction Of $250,000 By 2022 on: April 15, 2018, 04:05:14 PM
Just remember when Tim Draper went on national TV claiming the price would be $10k by 2017... no one believed him, it was all over the forums in here too, most people said he was insane, delusional and he should be put into a mental hospital.

Fastforward 2 years and then 2017 arrived, and we all know what happened, it went $10k higher than his initial prediction, so I wouldn't be surprised if we hit $500,000. Hell, I wouldn't even be surprised McAfee is right.

https://fnordprefekt.de/

Assuming a steady growth rate, we are still doing fine.
1234  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What is Smart Contract? Very Basic Understanding on: April 15, 2018, 03:28:17 PM
The simplified way I would use to explain someone that is not too technical, is to have them imagine a set of rules which are put on hold until said rules are meet, and there is no person guarding this set of rules until they are meet, they are set on hold in a decentralized way, so you don't require this third party, which is the whole point of smart contracts.

If the person is smart they will of course point at what happens if there was a coding error in the smart contract, which would resolve in two ways:

1) Dealing with it (code is law)
2) Hiring a good lawyer and ending up in big trouble (which is why I think smart contracts are a big fail, since code is not really law, if you get the power of the state and powerful lawyers on your ass you should be worried if you are the programmer of a smart contract that ends in millions worth of loses)

Im very skeptic of smart contracts in general, specially when they get too complex. Bitcoin is enough, I would rather deal with contracts the traditional way.
1235  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Can you think of ways to use LN offline? on: April 15, 2018, 02:49:14 PM


To summarise the reasons why payments fail when a counterparty is offline are:
1) transactions require the signature of both parties, and obviously won't work with just one signature
2) the transactions are relayed directly p2p, and there are no other nodes that are involved to store transactions

I know how it works, my point is, I have doubts it can catch up at mainstream level if you can't make a transaction at any time, since you would need to contact the person that you are sending coins to first, to guarantee that it's node is online, this seems archaic and annoying.
For big businesses it shouldn't be a problem because they will have nodes online 24/7 but p2p will require contacting the person first which sucks.

Why would this be such a big problem? When I receive a payment by bank, I need to be online too, to confirm that I received it. More people than ever are online 24/7, and I doubt this will ever go down again.

You don't need to be online to receive a payment in a bank... since when would you need to? For example, one can be receiving payments from rented properties in your bank account without even talking to the people paying you for months. Looking at your funds to see if you received the payment is different from having to be online waiting for a transaction to arrive because otherwise it will not.
1236  Other / Meta / Re: Hacked accounts recovery proof inside on: April 14, 2018, 03:19:36 PM
i was using exchange wallet btc address and after the update the exchange wallet system and address changed... i have proof of my paypal that was using longback

You have zero chances of recovering your accounts.
Account recovery is not a priority and even those who have provided valid signed messages are waiting for months now.

Read Theymos' post below
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497545.0
Quote
If you want us to recover a hacked/lost account, you need to prove that you own it. Typically, the only acceptable method of proving ownership is by signing a message (including current date and desired new email address) using a Bitcoin address or PGP key associated with the account. A Bitcoin address or PGP key is associated with the account only if the account posted the key/address, sent it in a PM, or if it is still listed in the account's profile.

I very rarely recover accounts if you can't prove ownership as described above. There are alternative ways of proving ownership, but they take too much time. If I point you to this thread, you can't prove ownership properly, and then I ignore your future PMs, this means that I'm not going to recover your account. Create a new one.

The wallet i used its indian wallet and have no sign is feature what i can do that for it. Moreover i never knew that my account going to hack due to bitcointalk data leaks less security system. Its takes month and years to gain higher level membership on bitcointalk

You need a bitcoin address (or an altcoin address should do too) which was posted by you in the forum, posted by the hacked account that is, in an unedited post, or a closed thread.

I have scrolled through your posting history, and you never posted a single address... big mistake.

Honestly, just forget it. As you have been told, there's people with several signed addresses that still got no reply, basically because the recovery system is a mess. Unless you can somehow convince theymos/Cyrus with your so called proof from your paypal/selly stuff, I would say you have 0 chances to get your account back realistically.
1237  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Can you think of ways to use LN offline? on: April 14, 2018, 03:07:11 PM
I remember someone like achow, nullius or theymos saying that right now, you need that both parties are online, otherwise it wouldn't work, which is a big fail and will never get anywhere when it comes to mainstream adoption, but then again, I heard that they are working in ways to mitigate this and avoid needing to have both parties online at the time of the payment which is just ridiculous, it will never catch up, people don't like that, they will most likely resort to third party stuff which will come with a decrease in privacy unfortunately. I wish there was a way to leave the transacion "on hold" until the other peer connected or something.
1238  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Signature Campaigns taxes on: April 14, 2018, 02:10:02 PM
My government did not legalize bitcoin yet so I can use bitcoin without pay any tax.

Usually I earn btc and convert into local exchange , I just paid some fee from transaction so I do not pay any tax.
Other exchange may apply tax because they already legalize bitcoin
Your exchange can't tax you, however your government can.

It varies from country to country, but in my opinion if you have bought bitcoin and after that you have sold bitcoin you need to pay tax for capital gain.
If you have earned bitcoin in any other way(signature for example) than you have to pay different tax, like income or something.

Still, there are no specific regulations in most countries.


But the problem is, even if you were making 200 bucks worth of bitcoin a month back then, let's say, in 2012 where the earlier signature campaigns took place (that I know, it may have been even earlier) then we are looking at around 100-300 bucks monthly. This is not much, but should be reported, but then again, no one does that. If it was FIAT in which you are getting paid, you get it in your bank account and having 100-300 coming in your bank account would most likely go unnoticed, BUT you were getting paid in BTC, so this means that let's say you spent from 2012 to 2014 posting, making a sum of anywhere from 10 to 20 BTC... yeah, that's a lot of money now.

The question is: how do you explain authorities why you never reported that you got paid these coins when you cash out? and what details do they ask for when you cash out? screenshots of the threads in which you got paid at, including signed addresses to prove you own the coins? how the hell does this work specifically? still 0 answers.

No, he told me they wont punish me when I declare where it came from, he said they wont ask too many questions as long as my intention is to declare and pay anything I have to.

Then he is delusional, we have already seen bank accounts getting frozen and so on, so I hope you have all the proof on your side to prove that the bitcoins you earned are legal. Please let us know whenever you cash out signature campaign earnings into euros, I want to know how it went with details. I believe they will ask and they will ask in detail, where it all came from, so again, get all of your stuff together before cashing out, then do so and report here back.
1239  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Facebook Scandal and what it means for Bitcoin on: April 14, 2018, 01:26:10 PM
If you have bitcoins you shouldn't be using facebook or anything of the like. I remember a lot of people putting bitcoin addresses on their facebook pages which is ridiculous. They have bots which will scan for the format of bitcoin addresses and they will link these addresses to your facebook name, profile, pictures etc. Im sure this is happening already. Then they will have a database with your real data and your bitcoin addresses.

Just don't have social media at all, and if you do, never post a bitcoin address (or any altcoin address for that matter).
1240  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Blockchain could be illegal in the European Union. on: April 13, 2018, 02:47:10 PM
EU new regulation on data, which will come into effect in May is based on “The right to be forgotten”, i.e. the right to demand that personal data is modified of deleted.



It was always incredibly retarded to me how anyone expects data to be found on the internet to somehow disappear completely forever. Once something hits the internet, it's there pretty much forever, and this was the case before the blockchain existed. What they want is just to find loopholes in where they can legislate against bitcoin.

It's just how suddendly we also saw the (old) news of how there was illegal pornography and drugs related stuff "on the blockchain", which means they could render it illegal in that basis.

It's just all trying to find ways to ruin bitcoin, too bad they can't.
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