Ever notice how the people who defend BFL have posts counts in the single digits?  Name: cutepuppy Posts: 8 Activity: 8 Position: Newbie Date Registered: July 21, 2014, 01:43:09 AM Last Active: July 23, 2014, 01:51:45 AM Not true, there are multiple digit post counts from employees of BFL that defend them. True. The jury may still be out as to whether they are people, but there are certainly forum accounts that match that description. |
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Apparently BFL has managed to pull of the perception of incompetence instead of shady, fraudulent hardware vendor. If the fraud was more evident they would have folded by now. They have professionals working there.
I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they are simply unable to design a miner that meets the specs that they promised. Bit regardless if it is incompetence or fraud the net result to the consumer is the same. It's not the same. If it's complete incompetence then BFL really has not made any hardware and they are not contributing to the network and making the difficulty rise. If it's fraud, they are using the funds to either buy hardware from other companies or secretly mine on their customers hardware (something they have admitted to in court). In this case they would be enriching themselves, and if the customer had other miners then they would actually be stealing even more profits from their customers. Avalon did this and mined on their customers hardware when they were the only ASIC game in town. Not only did they make profits, they punished their customers who had GPU and FPGA farms. Don't be so naive. Ever notice how the people who defend BFL have posts counts in the single digits? Name: cutepuppy Posts: 8 Activity: 8 Position: Newbie Date Registered: July 21, 2014, 01:43:09 AM Last Active: July 23, 2014, 01:51:45 AM |
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I think I voted April, 6 months late. Boy was I wrong. BFL really outdid themselves on this round of customerape.
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I thought it was common knowledge that luke-jr was being employed by bfl for his involvement?
Point being, the statement from our favorite character is disingenuous at best. The real question is when did Luke Jr. get something to work on... December 2013 or earlier? That be telling wouldn't it now? The story has been told already. BFL already admitted to the court they mine with their customers equipment. BCP hid his employment with BFL to shill here. BFL Monarchs won't ship to customers until July 2014 at the earliest (any shenanigans with Luke aside). BFL bought houses and cars for their employees with the pre-order money. Josh likes guys (not that there is anything wrong with that  , the Monarch will never generate a positive ROI. Seriously, what else is there to come out? Time has told, BFL is a train wreck. The court system has started grinding on them. |
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I just read Josh's posts and see he stated we are using grade D... I thought I heard B... my fault.
Here's a legitimate question: BFL had that PCB rev with the power resistors on it to characterize the DC/DC regulation on their board months ago. Tell me, what the fuck exactly were they doing with that board to have made it this far only to realize "Oh, shit. There's not enough copper in the power planes to handle all this current!"? This is an even greater WTF moment when you consider the fact that Josh claims the BFL 28nm chip has come in under the expected power draw. What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems? Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck The only answer I have is that up until the chips were put onto the boards, I had nothing to do with them. I cannot speak for what happened outside of my purview. I guess that somewhat explains why you weren't doing any assembling at the other assembling facility that made miners for the industrial clients. You really should have quit while you were ahead. I applaud your detective work in guessing I work there and throwing that out like a Hail Mary, which got caught. I know now you never worked there, mainly because you've not once corrected the deviations I made to what really happened there. I said 4000 boards, which was not quite true, yet you parroted me and claimed it also was 4000. Your lies are becoming more and more far-fetched as you try to keep the spotlight focused on you. Good luck keeping your fickle audience, I'm putting you on ignore. Your trust rating will soon dive when people realize you took money for lying. So far, the only evidence against anything nibbknot has claimed is BCP issuing sweeping counterclaims. Once again, white knighting BFL. The only difference being that BCP is no longer shilling now that he has admitted to being an official representative of BFL. When a representative of BFL claims 4000 boards, only to later laugh and say it wasn't 4000 boards, that merely continues the streak of blatant misinformation put forth by BFL. It doesn't cast aspersions on anyone other than BFL. Let me guess, next you are going to say 2 more weeks and then laugh at us when it isn't read in 2 weeks? |
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Captain obvious here. There's a problem in that picture.. water blocks should NOT be connected in series...only one asic will get useful cooling, the other will overheat quickly and probably fry itself or the board.
LOL! This is as amusing as when the velcro'd a phone onto a box of fans. As usual, a lot of dopes will probably consider a pic or vid of a curses app provided by known scammers as some sort of a meaningful indication of anything. Some people don't realize that it would take only rudimentary skills to make such an app produce any numbers desired. And about a minute of time. Be careful. If you mention the way in which BFL might be breaking the law or ripping off its customers, then the thread will be moved to scam accusations where people looking to learn about Bitcoin hardware will never see it. We wouldn't want to taint BFL's incoming supply of marks now would we? |
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No wonder BFL and their brethren are able to operate. Critical posts that (exceed a certain threshold) about hardware companies end up moved away from the hardware forum.
Talk about selection bias. Hardware companies accused of being scams get moderated back to legitimate status.
Newbies will visit the hardware forum, see no threads about scams and think everything is safe and sound. Not that it matters at this point, I think the bad actors may have poisoned the BTC well past redemption. Time will tell.
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Great, at least this time you quoted what I actually said. You will note that at no point did I say BFL had actually shipped it (at the time). You claimed you had your ASIC device. You claimed you had a shipping label and tracking number for the device but declined to show either of them. Somehow you manage to reconcile those two statements with BFL not shipping the device (thus no tracking number or label) and you not having the device (because it was still at BFL). BFL was paying you at the time to develop the mining software. BFL stood to gain 1000 BTC (now worth roughly $600,000) if they could claim the device had shipped by April 1st. That is why you have no credibility on the subject of BFL. It has already been demonstrated that you are willing to deceive if the stakes are high enough. |
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I didn't know Luke was on this forum. I do remember what the crew used to refer to him as and pretty sure Bruce can confirm. When he wasn't around they called him Chupacabra. I can't help it! Those goals just look so delicious! Mmm! I'm not trying to be mean all just stating facts of what I know from working at the plant. Nah, sounds much more likely that your goal is neither. You're not trying to be mean. But you're also not stating facts. What you're really trying to do is stir up fights. I'm not falling for it. Sorry Luke.You burned your credibility when you claimed BFL shipped you product oh so long ago, when in fact it was sitting at BFL labs the whole time. BFL has already admitted to mining with customer equipment (under oath to the courts) and BCP has confirmed his employment with BFL. The rest is just window dressing really. No monarchs shipped to customers. The same cast of characters singing the same tune as last year. Meanwhile the hash rate moves on. |
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I'm probably going to get in trouble for this (I did sign an NDA), but this has really gone on a bit too long and the lies are getting worse and worse. Late Dec/Early Jan, BFL caught up on all of thier 65NM product lines and were (when available) shipping from stock. The people on this forum who would daily link to the fact that "X" was now up for sale or was taken down knew before I even did that we had product advertised or delisted. At that point in time, there was an order placed for 4000 boards to be built into a new type of unit that had just come out... the 250/230GH rack mount. This is what was being built during the time frame that nibbknot claims we were building Monarchs. I can very plainly state that there were NO 28nm chips available during that time frame. The claim that employees were given Monarchs as X-mas presents (which he later changed to singles with the option to wait for Monarchs) is also a blatant lie. There are at least 50-60 people who can verify that we were all given 2 Jalapenos that ran between 3 and 4GH and that no one was offerred cash or a free upgrade for waiting. I remember the day well, as I had over a dozen people ask me if I wanted to buy theirs as they didn't want to learn how to use them. Since I was still saving up money to get a valve job done on my car after it broke down in the parking lot, I didn't take many people up on their offers. Check out the link he posted... here it is again... http://www.coinware.io/. What's the first listing on there? Nimbus Mining. Look back to your own posts, you guys ragged about the 65nm product being used to offer cloud hashing at $40 per GH when it was first announced. Considering there were *NO* working 28nm chips until late April, it was impossible for them to be built in Jan/Feb. Then there's all the other lies he's told... I'm beginning to doubt this person was ever an employee of BFL. If you were to ask a REAL employee of BFL, you'd find out that I almost never take a break. I can count on 1 hand the number of times I sat down at the table in the break room to have lunch. While I did end up getting a Nexus Tablet from the christmas party, I didn't even take it out of the box for months. To claim that I'd sit around posting from work is complete horse manure... I can't stand the tablet, I'm too used to keyboards, not tiny little buttons that take me 30 minutes to correctly type 1 sentence. The plain and simple truth is that all you have to do is go read Josh's posts about the Monarch development and you'll know the real story. I've lost 45 pounds since I started working at BFL from the stress... in addition, I work 60-70 hours a week, first it was to keep product moving out the door, and now it's trying to get the next one working so we can send it out the door. Joe... I'll admit, I've been ducking your question for 1 reason and 1 reason only... cause I know you'd never believe the truth. If you don't count the boards being built right now to go satisfy the cloud hashing for the first customers(as Josh posted), the only boards in existance are in the hands of the developers/engineers. I've had to relearn skills I have not used in 20+ years (back when I was first in the Navy) in order to change components in an effort to get these boards to run at speed. You think the customers are frustrated? You have no idea how the employees feel. Try spending an hour swapping components you can only see through a microscope sometime... When nibbknot first posted, he was only at about 50% lies, but now it's like he's one of you guys and has to expand the lies because he's in the spotlight. Personally, I think he's a coward. He hides behind anonymity and tosses out the lies faster than Bick does. You want to see a picture of the 'Monarch' he claims to have built? https://products.butterflylabs.com/250-gh-s-rack-mount-bitcoin-miner.html <-- plain as day, THAT is what was being built so feverously back in Jan/Feb. Click the 2nd picture... 65nm Single boards with black heat sinks. You're trusting the word of a person who can't tell the difference between a board with 16 11MM chips on it and a board with 2 25MM chips on it, who thinks an underspeed Jalapeno is a Monarch/Single, and who is an outright coward. I refrained from telling Bick to run with his smoking gun, because I figured I'd get in trouble at work, but now the lies are so overwhelming I don't care any longer. Take your smoking gun to the authorities Bick and then you'll find that you're just a troll who believes any lie shoveled into your face. nibbknot seems to have all the answers, but ask HIM for the pictures to back up his statements... Ask him for the proof you demand so often from others. I know you won't, because you're too afraid the bubble will burst and you'll find you were had yet again. To the idiots that think I am trying to derail threads: I rag on Bick for 1 reason... I *KNOW* the majority of what he claims is a lie. By harping so on his other lies, sooner or later people will start to realize his current lies. Maybe nibbkknot is Bick's sockpuppet... that would explain a LOT. Mores lies from the guy who lied about not being a BFL employee while filling threads with his nonsense? Who cares. Still no Monarchs in the wild. BFL shilling. BFL mining with their customers equipment. Release the lawyers and second amendment enthusiasts! Just don't get any blood on my popcorn.  Plus, grrrrr Portugal. |
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Goat is next to Phin, the OP never worked for BFL, BFL did not sell any 28nm chips, nice try. Next.
SLoK, Goat is next to Josh, I am next to Phin. ok, I remember it was mentioned long ago when that picture was first out that he was on the right side row. I work for nobody, btw. Slok, aren't you a admin on the BFL forums? Slok is bcp'ing it up here. BFL called in the shillenforcments! |
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This kind of revelation kind of shows how greed tend to screw things up. None of this is particularly illegal because as someone pointed out the chips are on thing but the product called the Monarch is another.
Actually, all of it is illegal. BFL made predictions about shipping dates they knew could not be met because they had already determined to send the chips elsewhere. They put those dates out there to entice customers knowing they would never be met. BFL refused refunds they were obligated to give. BFL mining with equipment they should be shipping to customers isn't illegal though. There is a lawsuit that is working on certification as a class. There are individual lawsuits that are in progress. One lawsuit has already been won vs BFL. The wheels of justice grind slowly when it comes to consumer facing fraud (just look at what GM did for 2 decades). Once enough lawsuits surface, the AG's will take notice then Sonny et al will get some jail time. |
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bcp19, do you work for Butterfly Labs ?
Yep, started there last Sept, it was bound to come out at some point. PG can confirm it. Perhaps BCP19 can provide more clarity about BFL's troubles shipping product (that has been mining in BFL's private farm) to the customers who ordered it. Maybe as BFL's representative on these boards, he could hold a Q&A about the failures in refunding, failures in shipping, failures in design and the failures in manufacturing. |
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One, bcp19, whose first name is Bruce, DOES work for BFL. Ask him and I'm sure he'll say yes, but if he doesn't, I have no problem with linking to pictures of him while employed at the plant. He's been there since last fall. I seriously don't know what game he's playing on this forum and what he's trying to accomplished, but I'm pretty sure it ain't good. To be fair, he is a nice guy.
Thanks for bringing this to light. bcp19 has been quite deceitful in hiding his employment (I'm not surprised, Josh does the same thing). In fact, he has now deleted posts to try to hide the fact of his shilling. Take a look at this quote, which he has now deleted: As to why these threads? That's cause that's where the majority of the stupid live. Why read through 100+ threads a day when you can find all you need in the 3-4 Bick keeps necroing on a daily basis?
And that's why you're just a BFL shill. All the other threads are full of the same thing. Bitmine, AMC, HF, CT, BA, KnC. Yet you always come back to only BFL threads. Bro, it's not healthy to be so obsessed with BFL. Now it all makes sense! That also explains why he was able to get a refund out of order (if he actually did request one). SHILLA shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization.
That perfectly describes bcp19. I sure hope you didn't buy any lottery tickets... cause when you're wrong, you're WRONG. I haven't deleted anything, that post was removed by one of the moderators for being 'off-topic'. Kind of amazing how the response to it wasn't off-topic though... bcp19, do you work for Butterfly Labs ?
Yep, started there last Sept, it was bound to come out at some point. PG can confirm it. If anyone is having trouble getting a refund out of BFL, you can track down BCP19 and ask him for one. |
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I'm just commenting with my thoughts, and, in case it wasn't apparent, I feel for those who have had a less satisfactory experience with BFL. Just saying that mine was mostly good. Other than being slightly annoyed, it makes little difference to me whether you believe me, as I have no stake in BFL. Pretty soon I'll be shutting off the 65nm gear I bought from them and moving on to KnC Titans.
You were in a train wreck and managed to escape without injury. That is not a good experience, that is a bad experience that could have turned out much worse. Then you got on the next train and got in another wreck, again escaping without serious injury. I don't know of anyone who would call their experience good under those circumstances, even if they managed to escape death and dismemberment. Standing among the bodies of those less fortunate and declaring that the train ride was the best they ever had would strike many as strange. Then again, there are many strange folk on these boards. The FPGA Singles were the product they delivered late. I, and other FPGA Mini-Rig customers, actually received the rigs close to on-schedule. Mine were 11 days later than their initial estimate. That is why I had confidence in them to deliver the 65nm ASICs roughly on time. When they failed, I lost faith and did not order a 3rd time. However, your analogy and assessment is humorous, apt, and insightful. At best, what I said was taken by most as pointing my finger and laughing at those who feel screwed by BFL. I apologize to anybody I may have offended and and am going to keep such thoughts to myself in the future. No worries. Things can be so easily taken out of context on these forums.  |
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I'm just commenting with my thoughts, and, in case it wasn't apparent, I feel for those who have had a less satisfactory experience with BFL. Just saying that mine was mostly good. Other than being slightly annoyed, it makes little difference to me whether you believe me, as I have no stake in BFL. Pretty soon I'll be shutting off the 65nm gear I bought from them and moving on to KnC Titans.
You were in a train wreck and managed to escape without injury. That is not a good experience, that is a bad experience that could have turned out much worse. Then you got on the next train and got in another wreck, again escaping without serious injury. I don't know of anyone who would call their experience good under those circumstances, even if they managed to escape death and dismemberment. Standing among the bodies of those less fortunate and declaring that the train ride was the best they ever had would strike many as strange. Then again, there are many strange folk on these boards. |
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I wonder if BCP is one of Sonny's old lottery scam buddies. Was he brought in to continue the scam here after Josh got run off the boards? Anyway, it is no longer a mystery about why BCP posted misinformation and derailed every thread on BFL for the last 9 months. |
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 BCP is a BFL employee paid to astroturf on bitcointalk. Latest in the long line of shills... |
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No point in BFL trying to hide the fact that they are hashing with customer equipment. It already came out in court documents.
Now they are just spinning it by claiming the equipment is "not suitable" for customers.
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