Why does the website seem completely basic and un-updated for over 2 years? Am I looking at the correct website?
yes that is the website here are a few answers : Ohad has postponed the full whitepaper to work on coding which has begun for a while now. Tau is just too technical for almost anyone else to explain, so Ohad has to manage his time between research/coding and writing the paper.
Eventually a video lecture series, polished website and whitepaper is planned, but for now the focus is on getting something tangible out, I think that's ultimately what we want to see.
More on topic, this is by far the most revolutionary project in the crypto sphere.
It isn't merely shoving more code into the blockchain or tinkering with the chain itself like so many out there, it aims to completely reinvent the entire online experience by introducing a logic based automatic reasoner that accrues knowledge the more we use it. And due to its self defining and self amending nature, it could very much be the end game tech that will take us all the way to the singularity.
This is a feat that's at least on par with what the original bitcoin was able to achieve over conventional databases, and far beyond what any other project has been able to do in terms of improvements over the original bitcoin.
Ohad's approach is to focus on refining his design to near perfection and communicate this design in a clear and robust way in the whitepaper before writing the code. This will ultimately lead to a far superior product.
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Ohad has been very candid with his progress and he appreciates everyone's patience and support. He is honestly the most intelligent and knowledgeable person with whom I've ever interacted and I have very high hopes for this project.
With regards to price behavior on bittrex, I think we are all humbled by the reception it's getting. There has obviously been a lot of hidden eyes on Agoras to command a trading volume of over $7,000,000 in the last 24 hours. Of course, all traders and speculators are welcome, but no one can guarantee what the price will be the next day, or hour or minute. So please trade responsibly.
I am a strong believer in the long term prospects of Tau/Agoras and have all my coins locked. I would invite others to truly spend some time getting to know what this project is about, and maybe you'll be as impressed as I am.
I see.. So not to sound like a negative nancy, but basically everyone is riding on this one mans word? He is the only one running this entire project? I have not done super extensive research on Ohad Asor, but for someone thats basically creating a crypto AI shouldn't he be an extremely well known smart guy type? The type that even with a basic google search should have more information about him then an easy to type up Linkedin profile with 7 recommendations? I will do more extensive research tomorrow as I am short on time at the moment, just want to have a bit more assurance behind a project before I invest as to avoid any type on ponzi scheme. I do understand that if this project is a true as stated then it is a great undertaking for one man so no rush. Join the IRC #idni and get to know him his work and the community deeply involved with the project. form your own opinion and then communicate it. better then follow some "famous" BS (of some very well marketed projects) created by some others who's motivation you do not know. TRUST YOURSELF for your own judgment. that is what this new world lead by the crypto social revolution is all about. In terms of ponzi scheme, it is not!! The developer have been working on it all along and you can see all the history of its developments and the changes that it been through. . Also wantch the videos just of get a better felling about the developer's attitude and knowledge. However you must understand that what Ohad attempts to do is a groundbreaking development that no one yet know how well it will work. |
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Why does the website seem completely basic and un-updated for over 2 years? Am I looking at the correct website?
yes that is the website here are a few answers : Ohad has postponed the full whitepaper to work on coding which has begun for a while now. Tau is just too technical for almost anyone else to explain, so Ohad has to manage his time between research/coding and writing the paper.
Eventually a video lecture series, polished website and whitepaper is planned, but for now the focus is on getting something tangible out, I think that's ultimately what we want to see.
More on topic, this is by far the most revolutionary project in the crypto sphere.
It isn't merely shoving more code into the blockchain or tinkering with the chain itself like so many out there, it aims to completely reinvent the entire online experience by introducing a logic based automatic reasoner that accrues knowledge the more we use it. And due to its self defining and self amending nature, it could very much be the end game tech that will take us all the way to the singularity.
This is a feat that's at least on par with what the original bitcoin was able to achieve over conventional databases, and far beyond what any other project has been able to do in terms of improvements over the original bitcoin.
Ohad's approach is to focus on refining his design to near perfection and communicate this design in a clear and robust way in the whitepaper before writing the code. This will ultimately lead to a far superior product.
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Ohad has been very candid with his progress and he appreciates everyone's patience and support. He is honestly the most intelligent and knowledgeable person with whom I've ever interacted and I have very high hopes for this project.
With regards to price behavior on bittrex, I think we are all humbled by the reception it's getting. There has obviously been a lot of hidden eyes on Agoras to command a trading volume of over $7,000,000 in the last 24 hours. Of course, all traders and speculators are welcome, but no one can guarantee what the price will be the next day, or hour or minute. So please trade responsibly.
I am a strong believer in the long term prospects of Tau/Agoras and have all my coins locked. I would invite others to truly spend some time getting to know what this project is about, and maybe you'll be as impressed as I am.
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Thanks. So are my AGRS tokens separate from Tau-Chain tokens? Do I need to do anything on my end or is it fine to keep them sitting on Bittrex?
First of all its never fine to leave any coin on any exchange platform , if you do not plan to trade it keep it in your own wallet!!!!!! for agora you need your own omni wallet . https://www.omniwallet.org/ (create a wallet) Regarding the split, yes there was a split long ago and since then Ohad is following his ideas and is developing the platform accordingly to eventually put agora to use as the main token in his further developments. Tauchain It is a very complex and ambitious project that requires a very innovative approach and a lot of experience and dedication. Ohad have been demonstrating great dedication and have amazing skills and experience. All we can do for now is wait for him to complete his work. (while keeping the tokens in a safe wallet). |
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It is not a good idea to use trademark of one of the biggest global brands in a coin. I think no exchange will list this.
The coca-cola coin is one of several brand name coins created as such , the use of the trade mark and logo is part of the art work. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=802673.msg9242991#msg9242991 Re: [PRE-ANN] Disney Coin [IDISNEY] October 18, 2014, 08:56:12 AM  MICKEY: Minnie!!!! WTF! These are COCA-COLA colors! We need to promote Disney coin. I told you to dress up in blueMINNIE: But these are MY colors. This is how Walt made me.
MICKEY: Obviously you dont understand anything, Coca-Cola will sue us, they used "your" colors first.MINNIE: So are you going to sue Twitter for using your colors?!Twitter Coin
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I thought I had seen and heard it all. What the frikkerdel is this? Someone is going to get sued
Still waiting.... will create great value for the coin  |
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why is the web page down?
There was never a webpage other than the thread on bitcoin forum. this coin is created as art ,yet , as explained, is an existing real coin on counterparty which can transact and exchange on the counterpartywallet and exchange. the number of the Coca-coal coin is very limited (only 10,000) and was made to act as collectors item ,that is when Coca-Cola will eventually do their own real coin . However this project was created more than three years ago to explain the future of a multi cryptocurrency economy and might eventually gain its value. |
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I hope that by now bitcoin forum moderator realize that this is part of the value of my coin , thus should not be deleted , and that my coin's value is part of their forum's value. I also hope that more people are now able to realize it too. once enough people will realize the value, I will sell my coins. for now the coins are not for sell. I post massages here to teach about the near future of money and to build the value. it takes years, but look at the ICO in the past year. things move really fast these days |
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I dont know what kind of sense it will going to make when we get whiskey coin, malibu coin, Fanta Coin, etc .. etc ..
the tokens and coins should make our life easier ... should have a project with value ...
The sense is in the power to do that, the power each individual can have regarding his/her production power. In terms of effective currency systems we will most likely see a conglomerate of producers under one currency as a currency alliance. And will see fierce competition on getting users between these alliances, which is exactly what we need . |
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The COUPON-COIN monetary model
The generic matrix is:
1 coupon unit = 1 product unit
price of 1 coupon unit < price of 1 product unit in the market
The economic/social rules (The game's rules):
1. The coupon units has no expiration date (unlike most coupons)
2. The coupon units will always be redeemable by issuer (or risk management agent) for the product or the monetary value it was issued at.
The monetary benefits of the model:
1. coin value stability - A value that range between the market price of the product unit ,and the issue price of the coupon unit.
The smaller the gap is, the less fluctuations of value are possible
2. Ease of rating the real value and risks of the coin - The balance of, products in production, damned for this product and the total value of
other assets can be evaluated to determine the real value of the coin at any given moment
* There are more complex benefits once the coin enter a credit pool and is lent out on behalf of the borrower potential production power. I will issue these points in another document which I will post soon
Let's restate what you've written there (I was about to say, restate the axioms of your system, but nothing here is self-evident). 1 coupon/coin = 1 work of art. 1 coupon/coin < 1 work of art. (See, there goes my math right there) Ergo, all works of art are identical and worth the same. The value of a work of art is far more subjective than anything else in the marketplace, and it's value is STILL what someone is willing to trade for it. Any evaluation in your mind will remain there, forever a fantasy. Only the buyer actualizes a potential value. You have a real problem with writing sentences that don't have much meaning. Try putting some actual numbers to them and put up a few clear examples. For instance, you don't differentiate between these coins, coupons, then make a blanket statement along the lines of "and of course there will be coin stability..." because why? If I can explain Cantor's diagonal proof to a 12-year-old I'm sure you can explain your meaning, with examples, and with real numbers. Also, make sure you're using the words you use for their meaning and not effect. Matrix has a specific meaning, and so does axiom. If you're "figuring out the axioms of a system" you're basically itemizing what everybody already knows, because they are self-evident. The COUPON-COIN monetary model
1 coupon unit = 1 product unit
price of 1 coupon unit < price of 1 product unit in the market
The coupon units has no expiration date (unlike most coupons)
The coupon units will always be redeemable by issuer (or risk management agent) for the monetary value that it was issued at.
The monetary benefits of the model:
1. coin value stability - A value that range between the market price of the product unit ,and the issue price of the coupon unit.
The smaller the gap is, the less fluctuations of value are possible
2. Ease of rating the real value and risks of the coin - The balance of, products in production, damned for this product and the total value of
other assets can be evaluated to determine the real value of the coin at any given moment
* There are more complex benefits once the coin enter a credit pool and is lent out on behalf of the borrower potential production power. I will issue these points in another document which I will post soon
Satoshi's greatest achievement was realizing a new monetary model implemented as an autonomous system. Now all we need is realizing a relevant monetary model for any product and have them compete on user Yet investors are still clueless when it comes to what a monetary model is and how crucial it is to the future of a coin's value (ICO). (not talking about most economists who are even more ignorant when it comes to understanding how value is created for a currency) |
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Do not rush guys! NILI has an idea, let's see what will come out of it! Maybe it is helpful for all of us!  Mumak they all were a bit slow catching up on that heh But three years later we are almost there ICO is alll around. How long do you think before someone smart will come to the coca cola company and will get them to take on that amazing opportunity to use their product as a unit of account and use their round logo for the coins logo  lol I think no more then 2 years from now. I think im going to start having real fun playing with my coins very soon . |
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The coins themselves where made as an artwork which means that they do not represent the company but rather make use of the cultural imprint of these brands on our society as a whole. This cultural imprint is the property on which I as an artist can capitalized on. (and Ill be thrilled to have any of these brand take me to court on that. It is an important part of the artwork itself.)
Thats the weakest defence i ever heard, any totally misguided as far as my knowledge of copyright goes (not an extensive one) I believe that I will be able then to sue them for making a "google coin". After all it was my idea to make that coin first... The real issue here is that I am not after the pile of money to be made using google's name. I made all these coins in order to make a point and educate these companies of what they should do. That is since the current monetary system must change. I make use of brand name both to attract their intention and realize where they should go and also simply to make a clear picture of my vision. The latest trend of ICO is now doing some of the work, yet most are far far from realizing where it need to lead. and in fact the Google Cone scheme gives a very good insight into what it need to be. Im still waiting for their coin to come compete with mine. |
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GOOGLECOIN, that's a good name, but isn't it a tort?The credit market is huge, and that's a good idea, and I hope the author will complete this product and get more people involved. The real frontier of the future of ICO is the credit market. Very few are ready to understand that. that is since very few do understand where the value of money come form. but I can summarize that to one line : Once you take credit in a certain currency, you need to return it in that same currency. |
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Still, there will be copyright infringements
Google coin as the other brand name coins which I have already issued are part of an on going art project of NILIcoins which aimed at influencing the reality of the economics and monetary practices. It was created long before the ICO hype and in order to "show and tell". as written on the my first topic thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=782161.0NILIcoins are created to promote a competitive credit-provides ecosystem. A decentralized monetary system based on
cryptocurrency which will employ production power, trade volume and social networks to create an independent coin market.
A market which will then have the power to offer a viable and sustainable alternative for the monopoly of bank credit.
The first step is to provide industries and communities the proper coin model to capitalize directly on their commercial
power, then utilize coin independence and versatility to initiate the construction of a competitive credit industry.
The NILIcoins project itself was conceived as a result of the need to illustrate this concept in real terms. I think it made many people realize where are we heading in terms of the future. The coins themselves where made as an artwork which means that they do not represent the company but rather make use of the cultural imprint of these brands on our society as a whole. This cultural imprint is the property on which I as an artist can capitalized on. (and Ill be thrilled to have any of these brand take me to court on that. It is an important part of the artwork itself.) Pleas for more information refer to the coca-coal coin thread in which I have presented many of these issues right at the beginning of the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=798131.msg8977283#msg8977283Regarding the Coins : I have have held into most of the coin and did not offer for sell other than in the first few months and then also only for short periods. At the time I was no too interested in selling it until the understanding of what their value is will be more understood. I want these coins to sell as art and for buyers to understand it as such. once these companies will create their own ICO (which they will at some point) then for sure I will put my coins for sell. but maybe before. |
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Ohad is obviously not a business man. Perhaps it would be better if he surrounded himself with businesspeople in order to run a more professional (and professional-looking) organization. But then maybe the Tauchain ICO would be like the current Tezos ICO, with tons of investor interest. As it is, those people that see the potential of an economy based on what Ohad describes as a kind of "magic notepad on which you can only write the truth" have the opportunity to go to Bittrex and buy Agoras at a market cap that's still a fraction of the market cap of Tezos.
Investors In this new ICO ecosystem should consider these two different approaches. 1. Go with the big hyped well campaigned (often half true) project, and be an investor in an extreme over valued project with millions of over valued tokens to be somehow use in a project that have no product yet. or 2. Go with the smaller crowed on a poorly campaigned project with long track record of work with great premises, honest people, small but dedicated team and one most knowledgeable and able blockchain developer, which is committed totally to the project. I chose to buy some locked tokens in this tentative sale. I know Ohad might never deliver, in which case they will be worth nothing. But I think there's a good chance that he'll deliver -- eventually  -- and that my purchase will prove to be the best investment I ever made. He will deliver. May take some time and may not be all that he is hoping it will be, but he will deliver. |
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When you said u will be selling for 3 bucks and how the price will sky rocket x10 because of that that was a pump, people bought because you gave everyone am impression that the price will sky rocket to catch up to 3 dollar price that was set, thats what was pushing the rally and that was your objective, now he is acting like that was totally not the case and disregard everything acting like oh yeah instead of raising it to 3 dollars like promised i just stoped it but its all the same thing guys...
Its not the same thing u scammer!
its been said a few times before but let me make this very clear: Ohad did not create a pump the pump was created by the fact that he acknowledged his potential investors and current investors in change of policy regarding the direct token sale. The market reacted, Some due to confusion and some just because it made sense! End of story. But that is not the issue here, the issue is the troll that create confusion regarding the facts and try very hard to present the tauchain project as a scam and Ohad as a scammer. We all would like to keep ignoring our troll but if he will take so much space in the thread it will have an effect on the people who come to learn and invest in the project. So I think that we as a community of the project have no choice but to be a bit more vocal and active here and put our weight on the right side, comment here and provide helpful information to free Ohad to do his work. |
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Okay in case you are not trolling I will explain it to you in really simple words that even a toddler could understand.
There were 2 ways to get agoras token. The first way was buying at bittrex at around 30 cents. Do you understand that? Buying coins from other people who are selling them to you on an exchange called bittrex.
The second way to get the tokens was buying them from ohad at a rate between 16 and 37 cents depending on the discount rate.
What was happening? A lot of people bought from Ohad instead from the market (Bittrex) because they could get a lot more coins for the same price. Ohad was very busy answering all mails and transfering the coins and things like that. This disrupted him from working on the project. To stop this issue he decided to raise the price at x10. So that the new prices of ohads coin were between 1.6-3.7 dollar. This would take pressure from buying from ohad because why would you buy at 3 dollar when you can have them for 30 cents and ohad could focus on the project itself again.
This does not mean that the market price would automatically rise to 3 dollar too, because the free market price (still bittrex) is depending on supply and demand, not on ohads price increase. The only reason he did the increase was to switch the buy pressure from him to the free market.
This is yet the best simple and true explanation to the steps taken by Ohad and team regarding the coin sale issues. For these of you who may be new to the ICO market and think that the standard set by latest ICO is the thing to look for and follow, allow me to educate you a bit: 1. A nice website is a must because there is no real product or history to show for the money they ask for 2. A celebrity adviser or a celebrity team member is a must because most potential investors have no clue regarding the technology and can not understand the whitepaper. 3. A centralized company structure is a must to make it look good for investors who are used to this structure and know nothing abut "decentralized". 4. Very strong present in the community's social platforms and forums is as marketing tool that is most effective thus become the main activity of the ICO . Now imagine the price of Agoras once the revised whitepaper will be out, the website upgraded, community celebrity endorsements, hype on community social platform. All that and a brilliant and experienced blockchain developer, who have been working on the groundbreaking product for three years and is an honest guy backed by a truly honest team. ....And a note for the troll on the thread... if you are smart enough to get what I just say you will keep trolling to try and get the price down. only that now I might join the game and believe me I am a much much better troll than you are, I will eat you alive or better use you you to make me (my Agoras) worth more. but only if Ohad will be fine with it since it will take some time to get the less smart investors understand, and also since I still do care about friends more then about money. In fact I believe that the entire ecosystem will soon realize that friends are best investment ever....but only once reputation will go on blockchain ... very exciting time we live in... |
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