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21  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 10, 2020, 02:49:14 PM
What's so hard to follow ? He produced the documents HIMSELF and retracted them only when it was clearly established they wrere forgeries.

There is not a SINGLE piece of evidence of a hacking.

Keep entertaining us with your BS. You are one more proof that BSV shills suffer from heaby brain damage.

You are clearly the one with brain damage here as you are unable to comprehend that if the judge orders you to provide documents matching certain criteria, then you have to follow that order regardless whether the documents are forgeries or not.

What is worse, you assume there to be "hacking" which I never mentioned. You don't need to hack into a company if you are already employed by the company.

The documents were found from compromised computers. That alone is enough to discard them as evidence. Get your brain damage fixed and then let's talk.

Are you going to make with the proof that CSW is Satoshi or what? You know it as a fact. Share why with us.

Unlike the contributors of this thread with which you are arguing, you've produced no evidence of anything other than that you have a huge ego.

Thus far you have simply attempted to "win the argument" via personal attacks and logical fallacies.

Produce your evidence or shut up.

So you do agree now, that a forged forgery in someone else's name does not make that someone else guilty of forging?

ANSWER THE QUESTION. YES OR NO.

You seem to be silently ignoring this important piece so I just want to have it established. So we would not have to return to this idiocy.

To answer your question regarding proof that CSW is Satoshi. Yes, I know for a fact, that Craig Wright is the sole creator of BitCoin and the person behind the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto. I have empirical evidence. I have already stated it. How many times must I repeat it? Empirical evidence is the best kind of evidence and that's why I can say with 100% certainty that Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto.
22  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 10, 2020, 01:38:00 PM
We are not just talking about a couple of documents here are we. The evidence is overwhelming ...

CSW has provided no valid cryptographic proof whatsoever to date. Bitcoin is Financial Cryptography.

Again, BSV is a scurge on this entire industry. Avoid it like the plague. Do not use any services that list and/or endorse it. Cease and desist.

According to your logic, if I forge "overwhelming" amount of documents under your name, then it magically becomes evidence that you forged them? Are you freaking kidding me? You expect any judge to believe that? You must be tripping.

What exactly is cryptographic proof anyway? What does it prove? In the court of law, it only proves that you have an access to a certain private key. Are you saying that if you have keys to my home then all of sudden magically you built the house? Again, you must be tripping.

And finally, if you weren't so terrified about BSV actually being successful, then you wouldn't waste your energy trying to scare people away from it.
23  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 10, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
None of these documents were forged by a disgruntled employee.

They were presented by CSW himself in court. The document is notarized by CSWs lawyer. The address was used by CSW as equity in his business.

So either he owns the address and is in possession of  the MtGox stolen funds or it was used falsely as collateral in a fraudulent business transaction.
(The business transaction was part of court proceedings that CSW instigated in 2013)

If there is another plausible explanation other than theft or fraud - I'd love to hear it.



You don't seem to know how courts work. That's okey. Let me explain.

If the judge orders you to hand over all documents matching certain criteria, then you are obliged to hand them all over regardless of their origin and circumstances. So for example, if your ex-employee has forged a document in an attempt to set you up, you are still obliged to hand over that document. Failure to do so is what gets you into trouble. Craig simply followed the order. It's was not his duty to decide whether a clearly forged document is relevant to the case or not. Now your fallacy lies in the fact that you assume it was Craig who forged the document in the first place while it was actually a rogue employee.

Obviously you haven't read them. The documents are from an affidavit written and sworn by Craig Wright in 2013 as plaintiff (person who starts the proceedings).


Obviously you didn't read what I wrote.

Get this through your thick skull --- if someone forges a document under my name to set me up, that is not the same thing as me forging that document under my name.

Are there forged documents in this equations? YES.

Did Craig himself forge them? NO.

Who forged those documents then? Possibly Craig's ex-employee or someone else who helped him at it.


What is here so hard to follow? Ah, of course, it completely and utterly destroys your narrative, so you froze and just repeated by copy-pasting documents which WE ALL KNOW ARE FORGED. Except, you want it so hard to be the case that Craig was the one who forged them, that when confronted with a fact that it was his ex-employee, you just repeat yourself wishing it becomes true if you repeat it enough.  Grin Go seek help, really. You need professional psychiatric help, it's really that bad.
24  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 10, 2020, 12:12:05 AM
None of these documents were forged by a disgruntled employee.

They were presented by CSW himself in court. The document is notarized by CSWs lawyer. The address was used by CSW as equity in his business.

So either he owns the address and is in possession of  the MtGox stolen funds or it was used falsely as collateral in a fraudulent business transaction.
(The business transaction was part of court proceedings that CSW instigated in 2013)

If there is another plausible explanation other than theft or fraud - I'd love to hear it.



You don't seem to know how courts work. That's okey. Let me explain.

If the judge orders you to hand over all documents matching certain criteria, then you are obliged to hand them all over regardless of their origin and circumstances. So for example, if your ex-employee has forged a document in an attempt to set you up, you are still obliged to hand over that document. Failure to do so is what gets you into trouble. Craig simply followed the order. It's was not his duty to decide whether a clearly forged document is relevant to the case or not. Now your fallacy lies in the fact that you assume it was Craig who forged the document in the first place while it was actually a rogue employee.
25  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 09, 2020, 06:07:55 PM
Willful ignorance is one hell of a drug.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world knows that those forged documents were not forged by Craig but instead of the rogue ex-employees who wanted to liquidate his company. You honestly believe a document that was found from the computer of a rogue ex-employee and which seemingly appears to be forged by Craig actually proves that Craig forged it? You have to be living in a fantasy land where wishful thinking has replaced common sense  Roll Eyes or alternatively, you're a simpleton who's mind freezes when it has to deal with recursion, so like a true NPCs that you are, you fall back to "aussie man bad" if you can't comprehend the recursion.
26  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 08, 2020, 04:42:53 PM
Your background is entirely irrelevant to this discussion. If you wish to provide a counterargument to the debate that Craig is a scammer, you can't just say "because I'm me and I say he's not." That's not an argument, its an appeal to self-appointed authority.

Just try me. Just present whatever proof you have that Craig is Satoshi, and I will remain silent about it and let others respond. You're the one who stated you knew it as a fact. Either provide your evidence or be ridiculed about your statement. Save the personal attacks, the grandstanding and ego, and present something of substance for a change.

Let me conclude what you just said:

"everything you say to irrelevant, just try me and I will discard it no matter what"

I wonder if you feel silly now.
27  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 08, 2020, 02:25:00 PM
What's your problem with centralization anyway? Don't you know that centralization into data-centers is actually good for BitCoin? Everyone keeps bashing centralization without even knowing what it means and what are its implications. This is exactly the thing that bothers me about these wannabe technical experts who have never taken even the basic course of programming. Boo-hoo go whine to ISPs that they are so centralized. You see your fallacy already? Centralization is part of professionalization, which in turn contributes to lower transaction fees and more use cases.

so ultimately there is one validator - ie yours/CSWs/(((thems)))/the lizards/etc?

who will have the computing power to validate your central all powerful node? be nice if someone, whos not a state actor, could validate the blockchain.

or we just have to buy a high end datacenter to trust you guys?

These datacenters already exist called miners and pools, farms. Highly connected, highly efficient creating the blockchain. They are the producers with long term investments, running all the server farms and spending money on energy and infrastructure, already such big business and regulated.

'Decentralized' enough


If big shit happens they're all in charge.

EXACTLY.

At least someone here has some brains.

Everyone be fearing the big bad datacenters, unable to realize that they can't do ANY HARM. Centralization paranoia is the most ridiculous fear that has taken over the whole cryptocurrency space.

What can a big bad datacetner do besides settling your transactions? Did anyone say 51% "attack"?

Let me tell you something about the so called "51% attack" --- it's purely fictional. In the real world, there is law. You obstruct the normal behavior of a computer network --- you go to jail. That simple. There's nothing easier than to track down a big datacenter that has gone rogue like that. They will lose their equipment, their investors are going to lose money. So stop with the centralization mantra already, you will just expose the fact that you have no understanding how BitCoin as an economic system is designed to work within the rule of law.
28  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 08, 2020, 02:13:34 PM
Didn't you read what I wrote? I did it for laughs.

Right. What a marvelous sense of humor you have.  Roll Eyes

defense of centralization, personal attacks -- distress intensifies

K, so you're not offering any proof of your "fact" that CSW is Satoshi then. Got it. Thanks for joining us.

Please read again my original reply to you as I made it perfectly clear why I was replying to you by cluster-quoting. Now you are just refusing hard to admit it. Typical keyboard warrior psychology.

As I have stated, there is no proof possible to be delivered on an Internet forum to a person who does not want to admit being wrong. But you are one arrogant lazy piece of work, I must admit that, because you are so lazy that you expect me to chew your food for you. To a person capable of rational thought, my background alone should make them think "hmm, maybe the social media and the popular opinion is wrong", but instead, you just keep doubling down like a true gambler until the bitter end. Good luck, don't kill yourself when the chickens come home to roost though. There is nothing more pathetic in this world than a suicide because of material loss.

What's your problem with centralization anyway? Don't you know that centralization into data-centers is actually good for BitCoin? Everyone keeps bashing centralization without even knowing what it means and what are its implications. This is exactly the thing that bothers me about these wannabe technical experts who have never taken even the basic course of programming. Boo-hoo go whine to ISPs that they are so centralized. You see your fallacy already? Centralization is part of professionalization, which in turn contributes to lower transaction fees and more use cases.

so ultimately there is one validator - ie yours/CSWs/(((thems)))/the lizards/etc?

who will have the computing power to validate your central all powerful node? be nice if someone, whos not a state actor, could validate the blockchain.

or we just have to buy a high end datacenter to trust you guys?

Is there ultimately just one ISP? The answer is no. That is also the answer to your first question.

The second question is too incoherent so it can't be given a sensible answer.

Also the third one.

But please elaborate, what's with the centralization paranoia? Tell me why a handful of datacenters shouldn't take care of settling BitCoin transactions?
29  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 08, 2020, 01:35:01 PM
Oh brother. If I already lost the argument in your mind, why bother responding? I'm addressing each one of your points separately (the ones worth addressing, anyway) -- you just did the exact same thing.

We get it: you're a big blocker. That does not mean that Bitcoin (BTC) isn't allowed to evolve without increasing the block size (it effectively already has increased the block size limit with SegWit -- that was the compromise made). However ironically, you are pushing for a less distributed, more centralized version of bitcoin, which is the antithesis of Satoshi's actual "vision."

We both know you don't actually have any "evidence" that hasn't already been thoroughly debunked. If you had it, you would have presented it already. Now you are the one doing the straw-manning as an excuse to not share your "facts" with us.

Didn't you read what I wrote? I did it for laughs. But you keep responding because you are actually butthurt because I exposed it that you're weak (resorting to cluster-quoting).

What's your problem with centralization anyway? Don't you know that centralization into data-centers is actually good for BitCoin? Everyone keeps bashing centralization without even knowing what it means and what are its implications. This is exactly the thing that bothers me about these wannabe technical experts who have never taken even the basic course of programming. Boo-hoo go whine to ISPs that they are so centralized. You see your fallacy already? Centralization is part of professionalization, which in turn contributes to lower transaction fees and more use cases.

We both know that you don't actually have any evidence at all. I at least have the empirical evidence while you solely rely on proof of social media. That's the curse of non-technical wannabes. They fall for every trick in the book, because they lack the common sense and technical expertise to develop their own understanding on the matter.
30  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 08, 2020, 01:07:17 PM
You will notice that in any online debate, a person who has been pushed into corner will start replying to you in parts quoting each part separately. It's a sign of weakness. They think that if they cut the post into smaller pieces it's easier for them to make it seem like they've nailed it.  Cool

When you start seeing this, you know that the starter of it is already defeated, but is unable to admit it, so they will indulge in cluster-quoting to save face. I'm doing this for the illustrative purpose and for laughs, but it's really established already that the dialogue has come to a dead end.

BSV is quite spectacular in a sense that it's THE ONLY ONE that has no block size limit at all and works perfectly well. "simply another big block fork" does not apply here, because even BCH has block size limit, they all do, except for the BSV. Quite an achievement for a mere scam, don't you think?

Not really; its the adjustment of a single parameter.

If it's not spectacular then why hasn't it been done in more than ONE instance? Keep saying to yourself that it's "not really spectacular" when it very clearly is.


If there wasn't for BSV we would not have a single public block chain remaining that complies to the directives of the original whitepaper. Both BCH and BTC have deviated from the original design so much that they are no longer recognizable as BitCoin.

You're now making this a religious argument. So, you switched to Puritanism because you thought the excesses of the Catholic Church made it drift away from the teachings of Jesus. That's great. However, Bitcoin isn't a religion -- its a technology, and its free to evolve, even if it does it in such a way that renders the utility of your coin obsolete.

No, you are. That's called building a strawman, which in your case is "the religious argument". If that was really the case then TCP would have kept evolving too, making it practically impossible for high speed networking hardware to be developed. A protocol must not evolve. If you had any knowledge of the technicalities of building distributed computer systems then you wouldn't even dare to propose such a comparison. That's the main problem with BitCoin in general. Completely computer illiterate people have made it their business to discuss these matters, bringing ridiculous comparisons to religion and what not, to compensate for the fact that they lack professional vocabulary.

Your scam argument does not hold either, because I know for fact that Craig Wright and he alone is Satoshi.

You know it "for a fact," do you? Prove it.

Yes, I've got empirical evidence. I can't prove it to you if you refuse to open your eyes. I could present any fact to you but it's ultimately up to you to either take it as a fact or keep hiding your head under the sand.

You may believe otherwise but history is full of examples where people have been fooled by the (social) media.

Its also full of examples where people have been fooled by con artists, fake prophets, gurus, cult of personalities, and shyster salesmen.

Which only proves the fact that one should do their own research and in case of a controversy, the least you can do is to discard your existing bias and listen to what both sides have to say. Have you done that? It seems to me that you just keep clinging even harder to your dear belief, which is typical of course.

By the way, don't post twice in a row or you second post is likely to be deleted by a moderator. The next time you have a new thought, and you were the last one to post in a thread, simply edit your last post to include your new thoughts. I'm pointing this out to you now so you don't claim you are being conspired against later.

You would love that, don't you? Too much truth in too short time can get highly discomfortable, to the extent where an excuse for "moderation" can be found from any bush.
31  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 08, 2020, 12:23:05 PM
I've been interested in Bitcoin since 2011 and working as a software architect for 15 years, I've got master's degree in software engineering and as a professional in my field I can confirm that BitCoin as defined in the original wrightpaper is simply a brilliantly designed economic system. Today, unlimited block size is only available on the original BitCoin (BSV), which further validates the point that on-chain scaling is possible not only in theory but also in practice. While BTC has been talking the talk of LN since ages, BSV has been walking the walk and actually delivering on the promise of the whitepaper. Calling something as disruptive and hard-working a scam only proves the wishful thinking of creator of this thread.

Its a scam based on the notion that Craig Wright is Satoshi. Without that element, it would simply be another big block fork of Bitcoin. We already have one of those. The Faketoshi ruse is what separates it from BCH -- that, and not much else.

All of BSV's momentum is carried by the false pretense that Craig is Satoshi, as can be witnessed by its price movement being solely driven by the latest in Faketoshi news. Without this fraudulent connection, it would be just another fork.

Its a shame that someone supposedly involved in Bitcoin for so long could still be so easily misled into supporting what is an obvious con.

BSV is quite spectacular in a sense that it's THE ONLY ONE that has no block size limit at all and works perfectly well. "simply another big block fork" does not apply here, because even BCH has block size limit, they all do, except for the BSV. Quite an achievement for a mere scam, don't you think? Based on pure technical decisions alone I would bet on BSV any time. If there wasn't for BSV we would not have a single public block chain remaining that complies to the directives of the original whitepaper. Both BCH and BTC have deviated from the original design so much that they are no longer recognizable as BitCoin.

Your scam argument does not hold either, because I know for fact that Craig Wright and he alone is Satoshi. You may believe otherwise but history is full of examples where people have been fooled by the (social) media. Popular opinion is typically the wrong opinion. You should know that as the majority is always wrong when it comes to making investment decisions. Being part of the majority in this question is like being part of the majority back in the day where people believed the Earth was flat  Grin



I've been interested in Bitcoin since 2011 and working as a software architect for 15 years, I've got master's degree in software engineering and as a professional in my field I can confirm that BitCoin as defined in the original wrightpaper is simply a brilliantly designed economic system. Today, unlimited block size is only available on the original BitCoin (BSV), which further validates the point that on-chain scaling is possible not only in theory but also in practice. While BTC has been talking the talk of LN since ages, BSV has been walking the walk and actually delivering on the promise of the whitepaper. Calling something as disruptive and hard-working a scam only proves the wishful thinking of creator of this thread.

Its a shame that someone supposedly involved in Bitcoin for so long could still be so easily misled into supporting what is an obvious con.

Oh and by the way, in 2011 people also thought BitCoin was a joke. I told everyone in the university and in my social circle about BitCoin and they laughed. They talked shit behind my back about me "he invested so much money in this dumb internet thing called BitCoin" and they rejected my business ideas with the excuse "I don't think this BitCoin thing will ever be anything". THE MAJORITY WAS WRONG THEN AND IS NOW. I got the last laugh then and I get it now.

It's a shame that someone hearing these stories directly from the guy who got it right back then still hasn't learned their lesson and chooses to believe the popular opinion rather than the person who has a track record of being right, making correct predictions and having all the academic qualifications necessary to make educated decisions.
32  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 08, 2020, 10:57:18 AM
I've been interested in Bitcoin since 2011 and working as a software architect for 15 years, I've got master's degree in software engineering and as a professional in my field I can confirm that BitCoin as defined in the original wrightpaper is simply a brilliantly designed economic system. Today, unlimited block size is only available on the original BitCoin (BSV), which further validates the point that on-chain scaling is possible not only in theory but also in practice. While BTC has been talking the talk of LN since ages, BSV has been walking the walk and actually delivering on the promise of the whitepaper. Calling something as disruptive and hard-working a scam only proves the wishful thinking of creator of this thread.
33  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 06, 2020, 11:49:21 PM
They don't want to believe Craig is Satoshi because Craig
... lied more than three times. That's enough for any sane person.

Is your mind able to handle recursion? If not, then I know where you're coming from and would not suggest you to read the next sentence. Otherwise, I'd ask you the rhetorical question "What if the story of a lie is a lie itself?" But nobody is really that stupid that they would not think about that, right? Right?! So, again back to what has already been established: Craig-deniers want Satoshi to be someone else (anarchist bank hater).
34  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 06, 2020, 11:22:46 PM
This happens if Satoshi doesn't fit to expectations

 Grin

They don't want to believe Craig is Satoshi because Craig is not an anarchist and actually likes the banks and the rule of law. Bias so blindingly bright here I've got to wear shades  Cool

If you want to see people rather living in a lie than admitting the reality, you'd better read this thread.
35  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 06, 2020, 08:13:46 PM
In 2020, anyone still thinking Craig isn't Satoshi deserves to be left behind.  Cool
36  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 04, 2020, 11:25:00 PM
Member from early 2012 reporting in. BSV is the BitCoin I signed up for in 2011. It's the only one out there that keeps the promise of the whitepaper. Now with the block size limit removed it serves as empirical evidence that Satoshi's plan for scaling actually works. Blockstream bois got it all wrong after all. Time to start admitting mistakes.

Are you certain ?

https://thedailychain.com/satoshi-on-scaling/

Yes I am certain.



Hahahahaha hahahaha I like your sense of humor.

37  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 04, 2020, 10:36:05 PM
Member from early 2012 reporting in. BSV is the BitCoin I signed up for in 2011. It's the only one out there that keeps the promise of the whitepaper. Now with the block size limit removed it serves as empirical evidence that Satoshi's plan for scaling actually works. Blockstream bois got it all wrong after all. Time to start admitting mistakes.

Are you certain ?

https://thedailychain.com/satoshi-on-scaling/

Yes I am certain.
38  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: February 04, 2020, 10:01:29 PM
Member from early 2012 reporting in. BSV is the BitCoin I signed up for in 2011. It's the only one out there that keeps the promise of the whitepaper. Now with the block size limit removed it serves as empirical evidence that Satoshi's plan for scaling actually works. Blockstream bois got it all wrong after all. Time to start admitting mistakes.
39  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: CryptoGraffiti - Block Chain Message Encoder & Decoder on: January 06, 2020, 02:53:22 PM
This topic is about saving messages and multimedia on the block chain of BitCoin. As much as you have the itch to discuss Craig Wright here, it is still offtopic and should be avoided.
40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: CryptoGraffiti - Block Chain Message Encoder & Decoder on: January 06, 2020, 02:38:45 PM
published ===> Posted: 22 Aug 2019

CRAIG WRIGHT IS A CRIMINAL YOU SUPPORT HIM? LOLOLOLLK BRUH  Kiss  YOU A TURKEY BUCK-OW

If he's such a criminal then why don't you sue him? You're all talk and no walk. Disrespect.
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