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but they have made more coin in the last few days, than they would have in a year or more of normal operation.
You've done them a favor.
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Funniest part of all this, is that this place has more business and players now from all this attention than they would have got in a year.
I guess there is no such thing as bad press.
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We are adding the final touches to our verifier solution. Soon TM
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I understand some people simply don't know what that means.
But I am not one of them. There has been a misunderstanding.
From what I understand it is like reversed house edge.
So in the long run the house looses. But could you earn some serious btc with this?
potentially, yes. in theory, the math says you should be able to dump the house's bankroll because it is +EV of course, I would much rather tell the site and claim a reasonable bounty rather than sell it off to one or two people, unless those one or two people manage to offer a price high enough to buy off my morals. in addition, if the site decides to remedy this flaw, those one or two people would likely become rather angry at me, which is something id rather not have, even though it is something that I cannot be responsible for. Then contact the site directly instead of posting a thread about it? |
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Hey your site is good, you should make marketing promos to attract more users, I think people will like the site  We are thinking about several options, but we want to avoid spam. |
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Coming up to our 6 millionth bet!
Stop by chat for some coins to test.
Our other updates "should" be ready by this weekend.
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I had a look over the scheme too, and if my understanding is correct the primary advantage is that it's provably fair even if the person doesn't set their own client seed. The real problem is that complexity is the enemy, and for someone to independently verify your games is a lot of work, something that I'd be surprised to see anyone do for a while =)
If you really care about that particular use case, why don't you use the Just-Dice scheme and *require* people to set their own client seed before placing any bets? Now you have an industry standard scheme, that well understood, tested and has lots of independent implementations while trying to protect people who don't set the client seed.
(Or what I'd do, is set the default client-seed client-side using window.crypto, and promising that I will always do that, so if there ever is an instance of me setting it server-side that can be used as proof of cheating)
One of the reasons we did not use window.crypto is that it is not compatible with all browsers. We went through a lot of pains (and still are) to make sure that our site is fully responsive and usable for as many people as possible. Again the "complexity" or our system is currently being addressed, and we will have several solutions available very soon. We still believe that using all zeros to start with the client seed, is more direct and obvious proof that we would not use a bad seed. Do you require users to set their own client seed before placing a bet? |
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Will the user still need to wait up to 24 hours before being able to "batch verify" their rolls? Or are you planning to have the verifier log the server seed hashes as the player plays, effectively doing the work for the player? Neither solution seems as neat as Just-Dice's system, where so long the player (1) makes a note of their server seed hash before playing and then (2) sets their client seed before playing, he can, at any later point verify all the rolls he makes after that, at any time he likes, without having to make a note of any additional information (other than the actual numbers he rolled, of course - or what is there to verify). We are working on a combination of solutions, all bets will be verified instantly and every bet made will be verifiable in bulk after one hour. I think we have come up with a clever solution, that will be very easy for everyone. I am also very excited about the positive conversation regarding provably fair and advancements happening here. I will update you asap. |
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Hey, I would like to test your site,do you have any faucet in it or is it planned to include it?
We don't have a faucet, but if you or anyone else wants to test out the games, stop by the chat. We would be happy to make you a voucher. |
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Bemba coin to test this site  i also would like to test this site with famous coin not this, anyway site looking with unique graphics and famous games coin drop is updated version of plinko and with cool animation, slot machine has also nice animation there but dice game missing basic buttons and i hope it will be added soon there. Could you elaborate about the dice buttons please? We want to improve the games as much as we can so any suggestions will not go noticed Well first of all is pretty hard to play dice game without basic button for bet like minimum bet, 1/2x bet, 2x bet and maximum bet amount, when we go to bet it put maximum amount into bet tab instead of asking anything about this and most important thing is bot for bet as auto betting option.  |
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I saw your post asking for me to look at your provably fair system, so I did. I'm not sure how exactly you think it is better than Just-Dice's provably fair system, which is pretty much the standard for dice site provable fairness, and so it's hard to dispute your claim. we made it very easy for "humans" to verify every bet, ever made on our site [...] You can click on any bet ID and get this information.
I think that was his point. You need to click every individual bet. That's inconvenient. You also need to make a note of the server seed hash before each roll so you can check afterwards that it didn't change. It's too much overhead. The added complexity of having a daily seed makes matters worse. If I make 100 bets I have to choose between two inconvenient methods of verifying them: 1) wait until the next day, get the dseed for the day I made the bets on, and generate the 100 rolls 2) note the server seed hash before each roll, and click each betid to verify that the roll was fair So either 1) wait 24 hours or 2) click 100 times. Neither is very satisfactory, especially when most sites have already solved the problem. Just use a server seed, a client seed, and a nonce. Let the player reveal the server seed whenever they like and otherwise don't change it; rely on the changing nonce (bet_ctr) to change the rolls. That's the system pioneered by Just-Dice and nowadays used by pretty much every reputable dice site. I don't think all the extra complexity you have added is worth the relatively minor gains, especially given the extra inconvenience that goes along with it. The only tangible advantage I can see is that you can prove that you're not cheating even to people who don't care whether you're cheating enough to set their own client seed. But by definition, those people don't care. We welcome and encourage coders, and trusted members of the crypto community to look over our entire process, and review it. Dooglus I’m looking at you. Here is an explanation of our system https://cryptobetfair.com/provably-fair.htmlWhat's this title meant to mean? <title>CryptoBetfair :: The Best crypto casino online | Serversides, u misseded me</title> Is that placeholder text that you forgot to fill in? I'm not sure you'll have a lot of success offering a dice game with less features, higher house edge, and lower max bets than almost all the competition, and you have no investment feature either. Those seem to be strange decisions you've made, and I guess you have your reasons for them. Good luck with it.
Well... I asked for it and I got it. First off, Thanks for taking the time to look over our system. You clearly looked it over in detail, and we appreciate that. Our team has a lot of respect for your work. We hear you loud and clear about verifying a lot of bets at once. You are right. We are immediately working on a batch verifier to fix this. Expect it within days. We will make sure that it is easy and clear for anyone to use. This was a missing part of our system, thanks again for pointing it out. I don't think all the extra complexity you have added is worth the relatively minor gains, especially given the extra inconvenience that goes along with it. The only tangible advantage I can see is that you can prove that you're not cheating even to people who don't care whether you're cheating enough to set their own client seed. But by definition, those people don't care. I have to disagree with you here. I think this step is so very important. True, these people don't care, but WE care. We want to prevent EVERY single possible way that we could cheat. I am a little surprised that you don't see that as a honorable effort to make everything as fair as possible. This is a hole where an admin could cheat their users. We absolutely can not ignore that. With all these dice sites around now, and more appearing every day, someone is either using this hole to exploit users or will use it soon. Yes, you are correct that in our current layout, this makes bulk verification difficult. We will fix that. The system is solid, making it easier to confirm is the next step. Thanks for pointing out our minor meta issue, we have fixed it. I'm not sure you'll have a lot of success offering a dice game with less features, higher house edge, and lower max bets than almost all the competition, and you have no investment feature either. Those seem to be strange decisions you've made, and I guess you have your reasons for them. Less features- The only thing we were missing from our dice game was a few "min-1/2-2x-max" buttons on the manual part of dice. This has already been fixed and live NOW. Keyboard shortcuts are on the way. If you can show us anything else we might be missing let us know, we will be happy to add it. Higher house edge- Fair enough, 1% house edge live NOW Lower max bets than almost all the competition- That will grow over time and we are adding more to our bankroll every day. We are new, and using our own funds. We are more focused on fair, steady growth. We are not like most other places. Community is more important to us than fast and easy personal profits. We are in it for the long haul. I look at our decision not to have an investment feature as just another way to prove that we are fair. I see too many sites that use customer funds, then magically take a loss. We prefer to take the risk ourselves for now. We believe enough in what we are doing to grow slowly, and honestly. I think we are building our business the right way. We do not need to be the biggest. We are building a foundation on fairness, trust, transparency, and community. Open to change, and willing to do whatever it takes to eliminate cheating. I hope you come revisit us in a few days once the bulk verifier is in place, and we welcome any more constructive advice. |
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I just want to be clear, that is NOT our UI
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Site looks pretty solid. Do you guys plan on increasing the max profit any time soon? Other than that I think you've done a pretty nice job. What are your long term plans in terms of games - do you want to focus on being a dice site, or rather a bitcoin casino site?
Thanks. We plan on adding more games ASAP. Its a slow process tho, making sure that everything we release is good quality, secure, and fully responsive. Our max bets are a little low on some coins right now, because we dont use customers funds for our bankroll. We take the risk ourselves, and our bank is filled with real coins. I think they will rise very fast as people get to know us. We also have a major program coming soon. Follow us at https://twitter.com/CryptoBetFair to hear about it first. |
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Absolute nonsense. It's strictly inferior for human verification than JD-style provably fair. It's strictly inferior than moneypot-style for machine verification.
Instead you introduce a huge amount of needles complexity and ambiguity involving day server side changes which would allow you to cheat. Also, giving everyone the same client seed is hilariously stupid...
I'd really like to hear in your own words how this is an improvement over the status-quo.
I was hoping that someone would ask us about this! Thank you! Our provable fair system is what we are most proud of, and we LOVE talking about it. Seriously, we love it. Stop by our chat any time, but I will attempt to explain it here. Absolute nonsense. It's strictly inferior for human verification than JD-style provably fair. It's strictly inferior than moneypot-style for machine verification. I can see how you might have missed this, but I believe that we made it very easy for "humans" to verify every bet, ever made on our site. Check here...  You can click on any bet ID and get this information. Pretty simple for "human verification". This verifier (program that does all the complicated checking for you) is hosted on our site, as well as 2 other peoples servers that are not associated with cryptobetfair. Some could argue that’s not good enough, because we could conspire with these other people to cheat, and produce false information in the verifier. That’s not an issue... Here is our verifier! https://cryptobetfair.com/d/i/verifybet.php?showyourself=pygmentizeWe would be happy for anyone to host this for us. The more people that host, the better! We welcome and encourage anyone that understands this code to look it over and review it. BUT this is only one of the advantages of our system, made for people that might not understand all the complexities of a provable fair system. Instead you introduce a huge amount of needles complexity and ambiguity involving day server side changes which would allow you to cheat. A true provably fair system, a verifiably provable system, can not be summed up with 2-3 lines of code. Sorry, it is more complicated than that. We spent months thinking through the process and trying to find any hole in the system, and fixing them. If you want to use a site that only has a few lines of code, and claims that makes them "provably fair" We may not be the site for you. Our system IS more complicated than most other sites, and we are proud of that. Our system is also transparent. We welcome and encourage coders, and trusted members of the crypto community to look over our entire process, and review it. Dooglus I’m looking at you. Here is an explanation of our system https://cryptobetfair.com/provably-fair.html Anyone that wants to talk about it more, please join us in our lounge, or our IRC channel on freenode #cryptobetfair. Also, giving everyone the same client seed is hilariously stupid... Is it? We think that giving everyone a "supposedly" random client seed is a very easy way for a corrupt casino owner to cheat its users. We could have generated a "random" client seed when you signed up, and that seed could have been designed to rob you blind, and you would have never known. The fact that everyone has the same starting client seed means that we could not have possibly rigged that seed from the start. Also, you can easily change your seed at any time, under your "fair?" tab. What you call "hilariously stupid" is actually a very well thought out measure to prevent cheating. Ill try and explain it to you. Client seed is ONLY one part of the process. Your username is a factor, the daily seed is a factor (made 356K days in advance), server seed, etc... I admit, it is hard for a non coder to understand fully, and this is why we welcome review from trusted members of the community, that understand the code. It is all there, everything is transparent. It just can not be summed up by hitting one button, and seeing the light is green, so everything must be fair. Crypto and provably fair just isn’t that easy, not if you do it right. I'd really like to hear in your own words how this is an improvement over the status-quo. I think I have explained a good bit of the improvements we have made. Again, I understand it is complicated, but to sum this up... Other sites could possibly change seeds and cheat. We can not. This is a big claim I know... But we welcome coders to look over our system. We love open and honest discussion. We are willing to make changes IF anyone can show us a way to improve, and hope other sites to adopt the advancements that we have made. The crypto world is full of scammers, the casino scene especially. We are trying to make this a better, fairer place for everyone. |
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just signing up, do you have any promo vouchers we can use?
cheers
Sure, just ask in chat, well be happy to give you a voucher |
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@ponzigo I can see why you would think that, it is an honest mistake. We used to run that script 2 years ago, that is how we got started. The code was so bad, and so full of back doors that we scrapped the whole thing and completely rewrote it. If you look closely it will be clear, they are nothing alike other than the dimensions of the wheel. The game was a great idea, but the script code was crap. We completely redid everything ourselves. If you want more details, come on by and talk with us. We are in chat right now.
We are not making outrageous claims of wealth , we are not sharks or whales, we are enthusiasts that built a place in crypto we'd like to use ourselves.
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2 old time user that never post more than a year come back and launch a gambling site?lol beware
I don't know why this thread has accusations like this. OK so I don't know these devs, but cmon people think about it. Who is going to make more money, if one guy steals your .05 btc deposit, or one guy that build a successful casino with a nice volume. Even if it is a small volume, the house edge is much better than stealing. Anyways this site looks like it is fun, I will have to see when I get the chance. I like that you plan to add more games too, because I am not too excited about dice, coin drop, and wheel. Best of luck to your casino! Yep we have a lot of things planed in the near future. It is 100% understandable not to trust a "new" site in the crypto world, and thats not a problem. Come check us out in 6 months or a year, well see you then. We will still be here. |
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Just wanted to confirm, our code was written 100% by us. We invite anyone to come take a look. Our head dev is in chat right now nimchimpsky would love to talk nerdy to anyone that has questions. Esp about our advanced provably fair method.
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 More than a casino, a community.
After two years in the crypto gaming sphere, we are very proud to announce that the new and improved https://cryptobetfair.com is open to the public. The entire site has been developed from scratch by our team. We offer 3 different games (Dice, Wheel Spin, and Coin Drop) with more to follow and a large selection of coins to choose from. We offer many unique features you wont find in any other crypto gaming site. CBF was made by involved members of the crypto community, with the community in mind. This isn't some script leased out from a giant company that only cares about fiat profits, or a fly by night investment site hosted by newcomers. We have been here for years with a great reputation, and are here to stay.
Most importantly the Cryptobetfair lounge is a place for the crypto community to connect, and stay up to date on current prices.  Our games are beautiful, fast and mobile friendly, developed by us over years of experimentation and feedback from the community. We have gone to great lengths to make these games perfect. We have also introduced an affiliate program which has many advantages over standard methods. Like our provably fair system and our voucher system or anything on the site, this has been built from the ground up. We always seek to innovate, not clone.
Our new affiliate system works as follows:
If you sign up WITH a referral link (it can be your own) you will immediately qualify for a 2.5% refund on losses over a 24 hour period.
If someone signs up with YOUR referral link you will immediately qualify for a 7.5% cut of that person's losses over a 24 hour period.
Why did we do this?
We thought we would give something to the person signing up via a referral link.
This gives a bigger incentive to the person signing up via a referral link.
What it means for us.
It means we are potentially giving 10% of all our profits back to the users, with all parties benefiting from the promotion All of our games are provably fair. We go above and beyond other "provably fair" websites. We have taken "fair" to the next level to eliminate cheating, and and make every bet verifiable. We have taken the typical provably fair system and made some advancements. We have created what we believe is the most provably fair system in the crypto gambling industry. We welcome review of our system and advancements, and encourage other sites to adopt our methods to ensure 100% fair play. Please stop by chat and say hi for some free coins to test! - The CryptoBetfair Team |
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Guys what is happening ? Fuck , i trusted this coin . just answer me from where came these 500k coins ?
i checked blockchain block 1 sent the coins to 26 adresses = ANY EXPLANATION ABOUT IT ? SANTA CLAUS MINED IT ? FUCK I WILL DUMP my 10 BTC worth of coins RIGHT NOW = DEV WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU ? We trusted you with our money . Fuck i'm going to dump it right now . Only scammers RIP CANN . Don't say its a fresh account to FUD = I'M A REAL INVESTOR HERE SINCE 8 MONTHS
did you not read what was just posted above? |
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