https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144158.0[NVC] Public destruction of 110 000 coins
Hi all. As you know, BTC-E received 110k of coins before NVC was publicly released. There are so many trolling about this, and we decided to destroy it.
20.02.13 01:58:48 laughingbear: anazing that such a new "trollcoin", that you can buy absolutely nothing with, is so valuable. could it be that it has ties to this exchange? good thing that no "guarentees"/bribes were given behind the scenes or some people might be upset 20.02.13 02:01:54 Balthazar: laughingbear, it's may be true for you, but not for another people20.02.13 02:05:04 laughingbear: Balthazar, how much of a "guarentee" was paid, to add ltc to this exchange? 20.02.13 02:09:41 Balthazar: laughingbear, There was no "payment". Destruction of coins was stipulated by the original agreement .20.02.13 02:10:19 laughingbear: Balthazar, you are so full of shit 20.02.13 02:10:29 dstruct2k: (PS - the "original agreement" was written after the coins were destroyed :trlf:) 20.02.13 02:10:30 laughingbear: constantly changing story 20.02.13 02:10:36 Balthazar: OptimusS, You are free to do what you want. 20.02.13 02:11:00 OptimusS: Balthazar is a nice guy actually but this novacoin fiasco reminds me of scamcoin 20.02.13 02:11:04 Balthazar: laughingbear, in your fantasy, maybe
20.02.13 02:11:14 laughingbear: do us all a favor and make up your bullshit ahead of time instead of changing your story every step of the way 20.02.13 02:11:58 laughingbear: its insulting
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laughingbearI don't care about exchange's business. Also I don't care about your emotional condition and your fantasies or conspiracy theories. I'm free to do whatever I want, without asking someone for permission. MIT license and constitution gives me this right. If you don't like it, you are free to pass on, constitution gives you that right. Is that clear enough?  P.S. If it isn't clear because of language problem, I have a generic link for such cases. Hey, you said some things that are true. Im having a hard time picking just one of these over at the sec website.... Please select the option that best describes your complaint: Fraudulent investment scheme, such as a Ponzi scheme or the promise of high-yield returns Unregistered securities offering General trading practices or pricing issues Manipulation of a security Insider trading Material misstatement or omission in a company's public filings or financial statements, or a failure to file Municipal securities transactions or public pension plans Bribery of, or improper payments to, foreign officials (Foreign Corrupt Practices Act Violations) A specific market event or condition (please describe below) If your complaint does not fit in any of the categories above, please describe below Any of you legal pros out there... is this (sec) where I file a complaint about a violation of the (KYC) money laundering laws? |
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Can you explain your point of view on difference between bribe and guarantee? In this situation, nope, I see no difference at all. Maybe this is a language problem, but you can call it whatever you want... when you give someone funds, in exchange for favors, thats is a bribe. |
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I do no understand. If people are dumb enough to buy an alt coin with out checking it out first how does this make btc-e a scammer?
alt chains can be good but people really need to check them out first before buying. Gavin made a post about this somewhere...
Are you even reading the thread? I guess the people dumb enough to send Pirate btc deserved it for not checking him out first. |
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Thanks for reconfirming that you did indeed pay btc-e a bribe. I understand the process of destroying coins by sending them to an invalid address, and I will be more than happy remove "this part" of my scam accusation if you can prove to me that the coins were actually sent, and to a invalid address. Is there a nvc block explorer? |
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AND
Btc-e is an illegal currency exchange.
International anti-money laundering laws for one. I admit that I am not an expert on the law, but from what research I have done, btc-e is NOT licensed and does NOT have permission to be a currency exchange. If your respective governments find out you have been using btc-e you could be in big trouble. This is a black market exchange
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BTC-E is an illegal currency exchange. Use at your own risk
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Balthazar (who is a mod at btc-e) forks a broken coin (PPC) and premines it.
Then releases it in Russian only (BTC-E). Even though he speaks English, he doesn't tell anyone in English.
ADMITS that he made the coin as a JOKE
Then sends 110,000 coins to btc-e (Approximate value $16 thousand USD)
NVC gets a button (featured and promoted) on the front page of btc-e
THIS IS A FELONY!
Price sky-rockets!
OBVIOUS price manipulation on BTC-E
None of this is denied. It is all documented and admitted to. AND this is only the part they are telling us about.
The only argument anyone has to this insider trading, bribe, scam, is that people are only upset because they weren't in on the scam from the beginning.
BTC-e, once they are caught accepting the bribe, they "claim" to have destroyed the coins, but this can not be confirmed
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Exchange works. Promise we wont steal from you FIFY |
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If they ever come up to list a security or something it's a valid concern, but otherwise wasted breath neh? They steal at least 16,000 usd from their own customers with nvc, and its no big deal? I thought more of the community than that. Or maybe explain this for my benefit?
Its been over, but give me a few minutes to drink my coffee and Ill go over it again. |
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true, no one forced anyone to buy anything.
BUT
they tricked people into buying something. that is criminal
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1: No REAL proof that the coins are destroyed
2: No REAL proof of amount of coins premined.
3: You dont get to destroy money when you get caught committing fraud, and everything is ok now.
4: Anyone can clearly see the price manipulation going on with NVC at BTC-E 3448.62507876 BTC in buy orders? come the fuck on.
5: ZERO information on the owner/operator. Some guy in Russia in NOT good enough for someone holding that much money.
NO ONE can deny that that Balthazar gave btc-e 16k USD (a few thousand more or less depending on btc and nvc price)in premined coins, then poo...f it gets listed at a high price on BTCE. They both, btc-e and Balthazar freely admit to this. In any real financial exchange this is a felony!
This is just the stuff that we know about. We know about it because they admit to it. Not right away, but one the pressure came on them. I cant understand how anyone can trust these guys with any amount of money.
A scammer tag for btc-e AND Balthazar are 100% justified, ONLY on the issues that they freely admit to.
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No one can possibly take a look at the actions of btc-e and Balthazar during this whole mess, and NOT see that they are pulling a scam on the customers of btc-e.
This is NOT just a alt-coin issue, people are being scammed out of BTC as well.
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I see now that I may have been mistaken in drawing a connection between btc-e and this scam site. This apparently is a generic address that is commonly used. I had no idea. I assumed that a business that holds such a large amount of other peoples money, would have at least some real contact info.
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New member Roadtrain with a postcount of 10, most of them btc-e defending posts.... THINK
1: yes, it could be a fake address. buy WHY would you trust someone with SO MUCH MONEY who uses a fake phone and address?
2: If you are going to use a fake address, WHAT A COINCIDENCE, that he randomly picked the same fake address that the scammers used in the "perfect-cargo.net" scam?
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I read all that, but I still want proof.
Can I see this in a blockchain?
In they end, they say they sent it to an address, can I see proof they sent it at all? Can I see proof that no one actually owns the address?
I admit that this part of the story may be legit, I just want to be able to see it, and I cant find where to view the blockchain
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Ill go through it one more time. whois btc-e.com http://whois.domaintools.com/btc-e.comDomain name: BTC-E.COM Name Server: brad.ns.cloudflare.com Name Server: gail.ns.cloudflare.com Creation Date: 2011.06.17 Updated Date: 2013.02.14 Expiration Date: 2013.06.17 Registrant ID: YLNB25U-RU Registrant Name: Svetleichi Dmitri
Registrant Organization: Svetleichi DmitriRegistrant Street1: 13a, Sobachkina str.
Registrant City: Pushkino
Registrant Postal Code: 854785
NOW... taking that information check out http://imfed.org/ratings/btc-e-unknown-company/ and READ The following line is from the website! The street address “13a Sobachkina str.” has been used by a “fake shipping and escrow company run by Romanian scammers”, according to a blogpost and this site.If you still dont get this, then I dont know what to tell you... and if that IS a fake address. That makes it even more likely that he was the owner of "perfect-cargo.net" the scam site in question. http://netscammers.blogspot.de/2011/07/perfect-cargonet-selling-your-dead-sons.html |
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I am seriously considering making an official scam thread, but one of the last pieces I am trying to place is can the claim of coin destruction be proven?
Yes the claim of coin destruction can be proven. However someone else mentioned there are still 90K in premined coins left, which by the benefit of now having reduced the total number of coins in existence by 110K, are now even more valuable. Ironic. How? can you show me? |
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But if you don't care, you are free to post random numbers without explanations and proofs.  Show me how I can confirm the coins have been destroyed, I can not figure out how to look this up |
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