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201  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 13, 2014, 04:27:08 PM
The one thing holding all crypto-currencies back is volatility and price stabality.

If Nem can implement a decentralized bank similar to what bitshares is doing.

Its game, set and match.

202  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto-currencies in 10 years on: May 12, 2014, 06:17:05 PM
Neo and Bee Bitcoin bank aimed to do what you mentioned but it was a centralized approach which lead to its demise.

I actually made a reddit post 2 weeks ago about if it was possible to create a decentralized banking system: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/240n26/decentralized_bitcoin_bank_possible/

But what if there is a run on the bank, lets say bitcoin went down to $100 from $500 and everyone wanted to withdraw their bitcoins at the same time, the bank wouldn't have the equity.

Just like the bitcoin network has a protocol for transactions this banking network would have a protocol for issuing the debt. You can set the required collateralization to the desired level for each respective network as easily as you change the block reward on a bitcoin fork. Bitshares is already creating a decentralized bank and exchange with 200% reserves. There is a lot more information at bitshares.org and bitsharestalk.org.  


I don't believe that this system is impervious to bank runs even though it does not use the fraudulent fractional reserve system.  If markets are not efficient and there is a run on the bank then ppl will lose money. But this is true of any banking system as we will soon see in the US when interest rates adjusts and banks default again.


Wow that is really amazing, i had no clue bitshares was developing a decentralized bank that would allow people to deposit bitcoin and remove the risk of volatility. That is truly a game changer once it finishes development.


If you are interested in decentralized exchanges, coins pegged to the USD, gold, or other assets, then check our colored coins (the video here is a pretty good summary): http://coloredcoins.org

The major advantage of colored coins is that they exist purely in bitcoin-space--there's no need to buy some foo-coin to create them.  

Colored coins are essentially small amounts of bitcoins that encode IOUs for various assets.  For example, Bitstamp could create BitstampUSD colored coins.  The value of a colored coin is thus the value of the underlying bitcoins + the market value of the IOU.  I could buy BitstampUSD from anyone, send them to Bitstamp, and then have Bitstamp honour the IOU by wiring money to my bank account.  

Colored coins open up exciting opportunities for the bitcoin network.  However, colored coins are not a threat to bitcoins themselves.  The reason they are not a threat is that all colored coins are IOUs; they are only worth something as long as the counterparty can honour them.  In other words, colored coins are not completely trustless.  There is only one asset in bitcoin-space that is not also someone else's liability: bitcoins themselves.  





Interesting...

I don't see how colored coins can be pegged to usd while being trustless, bitshares decentralized bank looks alot better.

203  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto-currencies in 10 years on: May 12, 2014, 02:52:24 PM
Neo and Bee Bitcoin bank aimed to do what you mentioned but it was a centralized approach which lead to its demise.

I actually made a reddit post 2 weeks ago about if it was possible to create a decentralized banking system: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/240n26/decentralized_bitcoin_bank_possible/

But what if there is a run on the bank, lets say bitcoin went down to $100 from $500 and everyone wanted to withdraw their bitcoins at the same time, the bank wouldn't have the equity.

Just like the bitcoin network has a protocol for transactions this banking network would have a protocol for issuing the debt. You can set the required collateralization to the desired level for each respective network as easily as you change the block reward on a bitcoin fork. Bitshares is already creating a decentralized bank and exchange with 200% reserves. There is a lot more information at bitshares.org and bitsharestalk.org. 


I don't believe that this system is impervious to bank runs even though it does not use the fraudulent fractional reserve system.  If markets are not efficient and there is a run on the bank then ppl will lose money. But this is true of any banking system as we will soon see in the US when interest rates adjusts and banks default again.


Wow that is really amazing, i had no clue bitshares was developing a decentralized bank that would allow people to deposit bitcoin and remove the risk of volatility. That is truly a game changer once it finishes development.
204  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto-currencies in 10 years on: May 12, 2014, 01:40:21 PM
Neo and Bee Bitcoin bank aimed to do something similar to what you mentioned but it was a centralized approach which lead to its demise.

I actually made a reddit post 2 weeks ago about if it was possible to create a decentralized banking system: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/240n26/decentralized_bitcoin_bank_possible/

But what if there is a run on the bank, lets say bitcoin went down to $100 from $500 and everyone wanted to withdraw their bitcoins at the same time, the bank wouldn't have the equity.
205  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto-currencies in 10 years on: May 12, 2014, 11:59:48 AM
My thoughts:

Once a crypto-currency contains a mathamatical mechanism that stabalizes the price of its currency then we will start seeing mass adoption and a true alternative to FIAT. This can be achieved by dynamically changing the supply of currency units instead of the value per currency unit. This system would prevent both inflation and deflation.
Once this happens, bitcoin will no longer be a viable option as a safe and stable storage of wealth or method of transaction.

Once a crytpo currency uses market forces to stabalize the purchasing power then we will start seeing mass adoption.

You are essentially suggesting that we need monetary inflation and deflation to stave off price inflation and deflation. That is the wrong route. We need neither type of inflation and deflation. We need to go back to sound money, with the backing for that money coming from crypto-assets that have a stable supply.

Are you suggesting backing money with bitcoin instead of backing money with gold like we used to?

We would be back to square one, where people would be issuing more money than what they have backed by bitcoin.

OR

Are you saying backing bitcoin with crypto-assets?

Backing anything (i.e. crypto-assets) requires us trusting the owner of that asset, which would also take us back to square one.

I'm saying create a p2p network like bitcoin that has its own crypto asset like bitcoin but is not distributed through mining and maintains a set or more stable money supply. Embedded in this network is a banking system that creates debt instruments (collateralize by the underlying equity of the network) that can be used as currency. There is a reason why we have historically used debt as currency, because it is stable. You invest/save through equity and you spend through debt.

A crypto-currency backed by another crypto-currency?  That's like saying backing silver with gold. These things don't need to be backed by anything because they have intrinsic value in themselves. Doing this to force debt does not make any logical sense. Crypto-currencies such as bitcoin are only unstable relative to USD or EUR..etc. Once they are the only currency in town, then their will be no price stabilization issue and people won't be forced to create useless goods and services by destroying the planet in order to keep this debt based economy alive. I prefer a scenario where people are actually able to store their economic power than force to spend/use it due to the way the economy works.


206  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto-currencies in 10 years on: May 12, 2014, 11:21:53 AM
Digital currencies themselves can be Fiat.  Why does Dogecoin have a larger capitalization than an innovative coin like NxT or layered improvements like Mastercoin / Counterparty?  Why does BTC and LTC maintain their position ~ despite hordes of technically better coins?

It seems to me community is king for currencies.  Bitcoin may have an infamous reputation among the mainstream but it frankly hasn't had a serious challenger to date.



And to get a community that will be bigger than bitcoin, requires the crypto-currency to have certain properties...The question is what properties would it need to have to reign over bitcoin. Price stabilization is the key property for me.

Nxt has a lower market cap than doge despite it being innovative is its lack of user friendliness, poor distribution and poor marketing compared to Doge. These are properties that a top contender needs to have. I'll also add there is no reason for anyone to use nxt over bitcoin when we don't take into account return on investment.
207  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto-currencies in 10 years on: May 12, 2014, 10:50:30 AM
My thoughts:

Once a crypto-currency contains a mathamatical mechanism that stabalizes the price of its currency then we will start seeing mass adoption and a true alternative to FIAT. This can be achieved by dynamically changing the supply of currency units instead of the value per currency unit. This system would prevent both inflation and deflation.
Once this happens, bitcoin will no longer be a viable option as a safe and stable storage of wealth or method of transaction.

Once a crytpo currency uses market forces to stabalize the purchasing power then we will start seeing mass adoption.

You are essentially suggesting that we need monetary inflation and deflation to stave off price inflation and deflation. That is the wrong route. We need neither type of inflation and deflation. We need to go back to sound money, with the backing for that money coming from crypto-assets that have a stable supply.

Are you suggesting backing money with bitcoin instead of backing money with gold like we used to?

We would be back to square one, where people would be issuing more money than what they have backed by bitcoin.

OR

Are you saying backing bitcoin with crypto-assets?

Backing anything (i.e. crypto-assets) requires us trusting the owner of that asset, which would also take us back to square one.
208  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto-currencies in 10 years on: May 12, 2014, 10:04:12 AM
My thoughts:

Once a crypto-currency contains a mathamatical mechanism that stabalizes the price of its currency then we will start seeing mass adoption and a true alternative to FIAT. This can be achieved by dynamically changing the supply of currency units instead of the value per currency unit. This system would prevent both price inflation and deflation relative to FIAT.
Once this happens, bitcoin will no longer be a viable option as a safe and stable storage of wealth or method of transaction.
209  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto-currencies in 10 years on: May 12, 2014, 09:47:01 AM
Will be replaced by the next great innovation and will watch their market share dwindle down to nothing.



MySpace is a company, Bitcoin is a protocol

The internet is a protocol, nothing similar to the internet preceded it and nothing similar will replace it. The protocol will simply be updated.

Same will happen with bitcoin, the protocol will be updated where necessary and nothing needs to replace it.

The infrastructure around bitcoin is too large to just be replaced every few years, it took years to build and it's far from complete. No way merchants, banks, exchanges etc. will change to the newest altcoin all the time just for some random functionality that bitcoin doesn't have but the altcoin does or claims to have, it will be far too costly, it's far easier to just update the bitcoin protocol and no infrastructure needs to be changed drastically.

The Internet protocol has only been around for 25-30 years, it may seem like it won't be replaced but I think there will be a better alternative eventually.
210  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto-currencies in 10 years on: May 11, 2014, 12:06:24 PM
why do you think dogecoin and litecoin will still be relevant in 10 years, that sounds crazy to me.
211  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Crypto-currencies in 10 years on: May 11, 2014, 11:53:29 AM
Thoughts?
212  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: April 29, 2014, 01:58:42 AM
Someone explain to me why you think nem is so revolutionary in its technology?
213  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: April 25, 2014, 10:48:36 PM
Ok no problem, i will just auction of my account.
214  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: April 25, 2014, 09:50:36 PM
I am selling a nem stake, if anyone is interested here is the link to my forum thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=584752.0
215  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / NEM stake Auction (New Economy Movement) on: April 25, 2014, 09:46:27 PM
Hi guys i have a nem stake that i would like to auction off. The winning bidder will have ownership of my Sr Account. I will do this by escrow.

Auction will be public and any posts which are unrelated will be deleted.

Auction is in bitcoin.

Thanks and happy bidding  Smiley

Current bid: 0.65

Update: Auction has been cancelled, decided to keep my nem stake. Sorry to all the bidders.



216  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: April 24, 2014, 04:36:37 PM
Off topic.

Stolen MTGOX BTCs going to maidsafe ipo?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.280

Maidsafe had almost no presence on the net a few months ago, it was some obscure vaporeware project.  Suddenly, out of nowhere, they annouced some coin and received millions in hours until it was partially closed.  

Someone invested 900 BTC ($450K) in one transaction alone.  Based on what?  No photos and stuff copied from freenet?  No escrow?  No marketing?

Maidsafe has been in development for over 8 years, they have presented in universities and even a google developer talk which can be seen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLA77zxk-vA

Their code is open source and can be seen here:

https://github.com/maidsafe


Stop looking at technology in terms of its IPO, That's ignorant closed minded and emotionally driven.
217  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] Safecoin maidsafecoin on: April 23, 2014, 01:11:15 AM
Congratulations Dirvine and the maidsafe team on the successful IPO, you guys deserve every bit of it. I have faith maidsafe will catalyse the movement towards a decentralized internet.

Successful ipo? Are you kidding?
Don't you see people's complaint?

Success in terms of the amount of money they raised, not in terms of how fair the IPO was. In the long run, You missing out or not  has no effect on the construction of the SAFE network.

 
218  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] Safecoin maidsafecoin on: April 23, 2014, 12:42:03 AM
Congratulations Dirvine and the maidsafe team on the successful IPO, you guys deserve every bit of it. I have faith maidsafe will catalyse the movement towards a decentralized internet.
219  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: April 21, 2014, 10:04:06 PM
If it means that two stakes were counted, maybe it is not accidental and may I ask you to give one to my friend shaktigami, she's in the waiting list:

The problem is that no one knows that you and shaktigami are not the same person.

Actually he is the first person here, that sound honest.

This is the problem with Nem's distribution scheme.

Get a fuckin life you forum sewege dweller. All i see you is posting memes and talking shit about every every currency that isn't NXT. You have money go use it instead of sitting on your ass and posting bs on this forum. No one cares what you think, sorry to break it to you.


220  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Is Dying, And why it is different this time. on: April 03, 2014, 05:17:53 AM
Never let anyone read transactions history of your real wallet address.
It shows how unsuccesfull you have been the last year.


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