All you're doing is name calling and shilling for a BITMAIN.  BItmain acts like a communist/socialist dictator over the crypto community.

Your name calling gets you nowhere.  Especially, since you're basically advocating we "trust" BITMAIN to have honorable intentions for the community instead of selfish intensions for themselves.  Which describes what I intend to convey in my previous statement about them acting like a communist/socialist dictator who seeks to deceive those who support them; only to end up showing their true intensions to take advantage of those fooled by their illusion.  They have done this over and over again with other coins they secretly/privately mined.  They do not offer their ASIC for sale until they see it's no longer as profitable to mine with it anymore for themselves -OR- they get wind of a potential fork on the horizon.  

In fact, they took advantage of those with the D3 and X3.  I'm sure the same thing will occur once again with Z9 and Z9 mini.  Meaning, they do not give those who purchased a batch to be shipped at a later date an opportunity for refund before it's shipped.  Especially, when those who purchased it see their investment is on the verge of getting bricked.  BITMAIN, says, "Sorry, but not sorry.  You simply lose."  Not good for business.  

BITMAIN, does not give a damn about "community."  They only care to gratify themselves at the expense of community.

I simply listen to the developers discussion before an official release.  They sound like there will definitely be a fork and it's looking like a future POW/POS hybrid.

Go to Ethereum's YouTube channel and listen to conversations the developers have been having recently.


There's no guarantee they will use PROG but they sound very interested.  However, they said they WILL fork and continue with POW/POS hybrid.

I can agree with you on that comment for sure.

Have you not done research into ETH's discussion on fork to PROG Proof of Work?  They already said they will fork.  So, why should Bitmain make an attempt at another ASIC for ETH if a fork is coming before September?

How is August/September delivery, "ASAP"

No, it's not good...  This is looking like X3 all over again.

Bitcoin Private will fork (confirmed by June/July)
Bitcoin Gold will fork (confirmed by June/July)
ZEN will fork (confirmed by June/July)
EXPANSE will fork to PROG PoW (Confirmed by June/July)
ZEC will probably fork (about a 65% chance before September)
Two others will do whatever ZEC will do.

KOMODO will NOT fork (Confirmed)

All Equihash ASIC's will compete on what few Equihash coins not forking.  All of that hash condensed into fewer Equihash coins will not be good for Equihash ASIC's of any kind.  My opinion...  That's why I said earlier that Batch 1 was pretty much your best chance of ROI.  Providing you get it relatively soon.  Bitmain is currently taking their sweet ass time about getting out Batch 1.

Go ahead, you keep on believing that.  It's your prerogative.

More coming off the assembly line - OR - that ALREADY came off the assembly line.

They don't take that much longer to make compared to the mini. 

Nothing "sinister" about it?

You're not concerned at all how many Z9's (not mini) BITMAIN may have already?

"IF" I were to buy a Z9 mini, I would have taken the first batch or none at all.  Especially, with potential forks.  August/September ship date is just too long of a wait with potential forks on the horizon.  After researching several threads and websites to find out more about what coins are forking or not, I consider Batch 2 or later batches a HIGHER risk than Batch 1.  That's my opinion.

Those lucky enough to get batch one should be fine.  Those with batch 2 should be concerned.  That's my opinion...

Most should be "considering" whether they've had Z9's (not "mini") mining since late summer of 2017.  I would be surprised if they're manufacturing more Z9's (not "mini").  They did that a LONG time ago [More than likely] FOR THEMSELVES.  Why sell everyone money printing machines that they can simply use for themselves?  First, they mine for themselves.  THEN, once profitability has decreased -OR- threat of a fork appears imminent, begin selling hardware.

Why bother coming here "shilling" for Bitmain?  You KNOW ZEN will fork and you're on here lobbying for Bitmain; NOT ASIC's.

WHY do you think all of us GPU miners and developers who are PRO GPU "chose" to create coins that were "supposedly" ASIC resistant?  It's because we KNOW how CENTRALIZED mining would be with ASIC's and BITMAIN dominating.  We know it full well.

Yes, most developers dropped the ball in regards to ensuring the network REMAINED ASIC RESISTANT.  It's a lesson learned and will "hopefully" not occur again.

What's done is done!  ZEN WILL FORK and there is NOTHING you can do or say to LOBBY to change the mind of the community.

Yes, there is an issue with a large portion of hash pointed at Suprnova Pool.  That's a whole other issue of centralization to deal with.  Yet, you actually want us to add ANOTHER centralization issue to the mix by TRUSTING ASIC manufacturers; namely BITMAIN.

NO THANKS!


This statement alone PROVES the community would be at the mercy of ONE CENTRALIZED MANUFACTURER to "TRUST" they would do what you suggest AND ALSO APPLY THAT RULE TO THEMSELVES.

DON'T BE NAIVE.

Take your BITMAIN SHILLING elsewhere.

This community will NOT stand for it.

And you're not on a "sig campaign?"

Where do these cupcakes come from?

Sure...  as long as others keep repeating...

Here we go... I'm "Jonesing" again for you.  Get it?  

Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that:  "SPECULATION BELOW"

#1:  Declared they will fork away from ASIC's.
#2:  All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's.
#3:  BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on their declaration they will fork.
#4:  The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack.  Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time.

Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko about not private mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops.  Especially, if ZEC actually forks.

ROFL...  You'll be alright...   

Sorry, but you're not in MULTIPLE threads, like I am, to know everything that's going on.  Well, maybe you are...  Doesn't look like it though.

The only reason I'm bringing up the Z9 (not "mini") [That I refer to as "Beast" and have since day one] Is simply to point out they have "POTENTIALLY" privately/secretly mined Equihash coins LONG BEFORE the Z9 mini came on the scene.  Just as Monero was privately/secretly mined long before they released their Cryptonight ASIC.  The only reason they released the X3 was after growing suspicion of being found out by Monero developers.  Of course, to be fair, that is also "speculation" on my part.  Doesn't mean my speculation is wrong but it doesn't mean I'm correct either.  BUT, if you look at the Monero Hash rate how it dropped as much as it did, I'm sure BITMAIN had a decent portion of that hash rate that was forked off by Monero.  Which has me "speculating" if similar actions are occurring here with Equihash coins.

As for Z9 mini purchasers being screwed by Bitmain;  No, not necessarily.  It's my opinion they're getting screwed by their own decision to purchase "IF" these forks play out the way I'm "speculating" they play out.

It's THAT simple.

Yes, agreed.  It was the right thing to do from him.  I believe "WE" learned a lesson.  

Thanks for teaching it.