Bitmain launches the Z9 Equihash miner

[madmartyk]

I'm waiting for the day when Bitmain builds a miner that can mine any algo with just a firmware change.  When that happens dmwardjr will really lose his shit!!

His dream of every coin going to an algo that will set GPUs as the standard and throttle any other miner may happen for some coins but not all.  Imagine Bitcoin going to this kind of also.

Give it time dmwardjr, you're GPU days are limited.  Technology doesn't stop because you want it to.  Bitmain and others will make miners that are faster, more efficient, and cheaper than GPU rigs.  They have already started and if you think they are going to quit because you are crying you're really screwed up.

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[dmwardjr]

I'm waiting for the day when Bitmain builds a miner that can mine any algo with just a firmware change.  When that happens dmwardjr will really lose his shit!!

ROFL... In your wet dreams....   

[toefu]

i do agree that there's something weird going on. Seems like someone is trying to prove a point that if you fork away, you are making yourself vulnerable to 51% attacks. not pointing fingers but it seems awfully suspicious.

Not sure what the fear of the z9 is all about, odds are it's nothing more than a z9 mini with 3x more chips and 3x more power consumption. If the asic chips are expensive for the Z9, makes sense to sell "mini" versions at $2k vs a full version at $6k.

[madmartyk]

THANK YOU,

Dude thinks he's Sherlock Holmes and solved the worlds biggest mystery. The fact that they need to announce the Z9 to confirm this revelation is pretty sad.

ROFL... You guys crack me up.

I said FROM DAY ONE THE "MINI WAS ANNOUNCED" on several social media sites that "mini" implies ANOTHER Z9 "BEAST" exists.  Don't believe me, look through all my posts from history, moron.

Hell, look on ZCash Forum for posts from ProwdClown and you'll see I mentioned it from day one.  Even a moron like yourself could figure that out.

Sounds like to me I've found another stressed out purchaser of a Z9 who will get their unit in August/September and he's pissed I've got him stressed out talking about forks.

 

When I bought my mini's I figured there would be an X9.  Thing is the mini's are perfect for home, they are as quiet as a GPU right, and don't draw a lot of power.  There is a market for them, deal with it

[madmartyk]

Hey dmwardjr, the domain ihatebitmain.com is available, you should jump right on that!!

[dmwardjr]

Hey dmwardjr, the domain ihatebitmain.com is available, you should jump right on that!!

ROFL...

I'll pass...

I can think of a better domain name than that.

 

[boxalex]

Oh REALLY?  So, the ZEC Developers have their Dev fee address on AntPool?  Interesting....   ROFL....

No, but they get the Dev fee from Antpool of course, as ZEC is mined there, common sense and logic dude.

You're full of crap, SIR.
PROVE it to me and I'll take it back.

Sure, nothing more easy than that.
The Founder’s Reward (2.5 ZEC) doesn’t require any hashpower. It’s just automatically given to Zcash Co.'s address (t3esCNwwmcyc8i9qQfyTbYhTqmYXZ9AwK3X) whenever a block is mined.
(that's the adress the guy in the video mentioned!)

Txns Received: 12439 (= 12439 blocks * 2.5 min = 21.6 days)
Total Received: 31097.5 ZEC = (12439 blocks * 2.5 ZEC)
(that's the amount the guy in the video mentions!!!)

https://explorer.zcha.in/accounts/t3esCNwwmcyc8i9qQfyTbYhTqmYXZ9AwK3X
In the explorer you can see each transaction is for 2.5ZEC, the ZcashCo Dev fee!!!

Notable that this clown made a video about Zcash and even doesn't notice that all these 2.5 ZEC transactions are the DEVfee and never will change whatever happens.
Even a 10 year old girl would have noticed that ALL transactions are exactly 2.5 ZEC and it NEVER can be from mining due that.

I tried to make it as easy as possible so the biggest believer and the not so smart people can follow it easy.

Now i await an honest excuse. So far you have offended me at least 5 times and each time i provided you with a FACT that i'am not a liar. No matter i have different
believes i will NEVER go an post something untrue, wrong, missleading, just understand that finally.

Even if you could prove it [And I take it back] it still does not erase a STRONG argument that BITMAIN has mined with Z9's (not "mini") privately/secretly for quite some time.  Probably since fall of 2017.

No, that is a valid argument and you have here (i'am not argue on that one) and it's true at least for some weeks back as we found their pool they are mining, way below <10% by the way. Everybody can look it up on the Zcash hashrate charts by the way. But it's not related to the video, if someone investigates further they can eventually find Bitmains Zcash adress, but it's not the one in the video as allready explained above!

If you have a simple look at the dates for EACH TRANSACTION coming into those addresses, you'll easily see they are "NOT" DEV FEE ADDRESSES.  WHY?  Cause the Dev Fee address would receive ZEC on every block OR it would be set up to provide ZEC for the address FROM and TO a specific time or blocks of every hour or 24 hours.  That's OBVIOUSLY not the case here.

Actually it is on every block, see again above, explained in detail. Just check again on the explorer with the adresses ..... It is and it was like that, easy as that. the easiest way by the way to see it's the dev fee is the 2.5. It's fixed. If anybody was mining it, than it would look like: 2.53, 2.5107, 2.5003, whatever as the minimim payout will never be exactly 2.5. This point makes me most wonder that the guy in the video missed, and you too!

It's not propaganda.  Bring your PROOF all three of those addresses in the video are Dev Fee addresses.  Don't you find it ODD the developers would reveal their DEV wallet address for the world to see on a coin that's based on PRIVACY of addresses?  If I'm mistaken, show me PROOF those are Dev Fee Addresses and we'll see who's "retarded" and "misleading."

There is no need to have them reveal their wallet adresses. Everybody can view the explorer and look it up is own. I personally checked only 1 wallet adress (the biggest one in the video) as i got intrigued as well when watching the video than back, but as soon as i saw the fixed 2.5 ZEC it was clear it's one of the dev fee wallets for that miningpool. Others looked up the other adresses as well and came to the same conclusion. Actually it's the most obivious thing, enough you don't have blinkers on your eyes.

It's up to you if you believe in facts or rumours, in things you can check and proof their validity or on 3rd party rumours, you can do your own mathematical calculatin in this issue or just blindly thrust that video clown. And of course you can always just shoot down eyes, ears and brain and not take any proof and just continue with your claim (the video to be true), up to everybody his own of course. But it's absolutly unfair and dishonest to spread proofed wrong information in my opinion.

[dmwardjr]

Oh REALLY?  So, the ZEC Developers have their Dev fee address on AntPool?  Interesting....   ROFL....

No, but they get the Dev fee from Antpool of course, as ZEC is mined there, common sense and logic dude.

You're full of crap, SIR.
PROVE it to me and I'll take it back.

Sure, nothing more easy than that.
The Founder’s Reward (2.5 ZEC) doesn’t require any hashpower. It’s just automatically given to Zcash Co.'s address (t3esCNwwmcyc8i9qQfyTbYhTqmYXZ9AwK3X) whenever a block is mined.
(that's the adress the guy in the video mentioned!)

Txns Received: 12439 (= 12439 blocks * 2.5 min = 21.6 days)
Total Received: 31097.5 ZEC = (12439 blocks * 2.5 ZEC)
(that's the amount the guy in the video mentions!!!)

https://explorer.zcha.in/accounts/t3esCNwwmcyc8i9qQfyTbYhTqmYXZ9AwK3X
In the explorer you can see each transaction is for 2.5ZEC, the ZcashCo Dev fee!!!

Notable that this clown made a video about Zcash and even doesn't notice that all these 2.5 ZEC transactions are the DEVfee and never will change whatever happens.
Even a 10 year old girl would have noticed that ALL transactions are exactly 2.5 ZEC and it NEVER can be from mining due that.

I tried to make it as easy as possible so the biggest believer and the not so smart people can follow it easy.

Now i await an honest excuse. So far you have offended me at least 5 times and each time i provided you with a FACT that i'am not a liar. No matter i have different
believes i will NEVER go an post something untrue, wrong, missleading, just understand that finally.

Even if you could prove it [And I take it back] it still does not erase a STRONG argument that BITMAIN has mined with Z9's (not "mini") privately/secretly for quite some time.  Probably since fall of 2017.

No, that is a valid argument and you have here (i'am not argue on that one) and it's true at least for some weeks back as we found their pool they are mining, way below <10% by the way. Everybody can look it up on the Zcash hashrate charts by the way. But it's not related to the video, if someone investigates further they can eventually find Bitmains Zcash adress, but it's not the one in the video as allready explained above!

If you have a simple look at the dates for EACH TRANSACTION coming into those addresses, you'll easily see they are "NOT" DEV FEE ADDRESSES.  WHY?  Cause the Dev Fee address would receive ZEC on every block OR it would be set up to provide ZEC for the address FROM and TO a specific time or blocks of every hour or 24 hours.  That's OBVIOUSLY not the case here.

Actually it is on every block, see again above, explained in detail. Just check again on the explorer with the adresses ..... It is and it was like that, easy as that. the easiest way by the way to see it's the dev fee is the 2.5. It's fixed. If anybody was mining it, than it would look like: 2.53, 2.5107, 2.5003, whatever as the minimim payout will never be exactly 2.5. This point makes me most wonder that the guy in the video missed, and you too!

It's not propaganda.  Bring your PROOF all three of those addresses in the video are Dev Fee addresses.  Don't you find it ODD the developers would reveal their DEV wallet address for the world to see on a coin that's based on PRIVACY of addresses?  If I'm mistaken, show me PROOF those are Dev Fee Addresses and we'll see who's "retarded" and "misleading."

There is no need to have them reveal their wallet adresses. Everybody can view the explorer and look it up is own. I personally checked only 1 wallet adress (the biggest one in the video) as i got intrigued as well when watching the video than back, but as soon as i saw the fixed 2.5 ZEC it was clear it's one of the dev fee wallets for that miningpool. Others looked up the other adresses as well and came to the same conclusion. Actually it's the most obivious thing, enough you don't have blinkers on your eyes.

It's up to you if you believe in facts or rumours, in things you can check and proof their validity or on 3rd party rumours, you can do your own mathematical calculatin in this issue or just blindly thrust that video clown. And of course you can always just shoot down eyes, ears and brain and not take any proof and just continue with your claim (the video to be true), up to everybody his own of course. But it's absolutly unfair and dishonest to spread proof wrong information in my opinion.

GREAT JOB, MAN...

DAMN GOOD JOB...

I actually LEARNED SOMETHING.

Then YES, I WAS MOST CERTAINLY "PATHETIC" propagating something I did not KNOW there.

Thanks a million....

Now, I'll post a link in a comment on that video to this EXCELLENT post you made here.  Cause I was "pathetic" enough to believe his crap.

 

[dmwardjr]

It's up to you if you believe in facts or rumours, in things you can check and proof their validity or on 3rd party rumours, you can do your own mathematical calculatin in this issue or just blindly thrust that video clown. And of course you can always just shoot down eyes, ears and brain and not take any proof and just continue with your claim (the video to be true), up to everybody his own of course. But it's absolutly unfair and dishonest to spread proofed wrong information in my opinion.

Couldn't have said it any better myself.  Point taken...

It was "unfair" but I would not say, "dishonest."  Cause I "honestly" thought he knew what the hell he was talking about.  I learned a good lesson there.

So, again, point taken.

I'll do better next time.

[boxalex]

GREAT JOB, MAN...

DAMN GOOD JOB...

I actually LEARNED SOMETHING.

Then YES, I WAS MOST CERTAINLY "PATHETIC" propagating something I did not KNOW there.

Thanks a million....

Now, I'll post a link in a comment on that video to this EXCELLENT post you made here.  Cause I was "pathetic" enough to believe his crap.

 

No problem mate. As said bevor, we can have different opinions but it must be fair and it's a good sign you have readed it, you actually as well can check it to be double sure it's correct.

The problem is that too fast someone takes such things, as that video for example, as a given fact, not investigating, proofing or asking questions. That's the main problem. Leave aside
Bitmain in this case but just generally. Who knows how much shit was posted about other projects that way? It's devasting for smaller projects if untrue facts are shown and than spread.
Just as an other example what bad impact a bad researched article, video, even post can have. And exactly this forces me allways to double check things bevor i post them.

And yes, posting a link to the video makes some sense. I would like to hear the video clown's answer/explaination.

[Thetaj]

Wow, this Z9 really is a blessing. Sold all of my 1st lot for 1.8x the price I bought them for. Thankyou dreamers, you keep us alive.

[dmwardjr]

No problem mate. As said bevor, we can have different opinions but it must be fair and it's a good sign you have readed it, you actually as well can check it to be double sure it's correct.

The problem is that too fast someone takes such things, as that video for example, as a given fact, not investigating, proofing or asking questions. That's the main problem. Leave aside
Bitmain in this case but just generally. Who knows how much shit was posted about other projects that way? It's devasting for smaller projects if untrue facts are shown and than spread.
Just as an other example what bad impact a bad researched article, video, even post can have. And exactly this forces me allways to double check things bevor i post them.

And yes, posting a link to the video makes some sense. I would like to hear the video clown's answer/explaination.

Couldn't agree more.

Yes, I hope he responds to see if he will redact it or follow up with another video redacting what he said.

[dmwardjr]

Wow, this Z9 really is a blessing. Sold all of my 1st lot for 1.8x the price I bought them for. Thankyou dreamers, you keep us alive.

Good for you!  Always like to see someone do well.  If you didn't mine with them, someone else would.

[dmwardjr]

And yes, posting a link to the video makes some sense. I would like to hear the video clown's answer/explaination.

Boxalex,

He deleted the video.

Again, great job man! 

+1

You deserve a merit for that one.  Certainly earned it.

[Sandal_Hat]

I think I will pass. I worry they will sell so many Z9 that no one profits.

[boxalex]

And yes, posting a link to the video makes some sense. I would like to hear the video clown's answer/explaination.

Boxalex,

He deleted the video.

Again, great job man! 

+1

You deserve a merit for that one.  Certainly earned it.

Should be double proofed than by now, lol 

By the way, the only right thing to do from him, taking it down as it didn't contain 1 single real fact.
And hopefully he as well learned the lesson to just double check things bevor making them public available.

[greyday]

When I bought my mini's I figured there would be an X9.  Thing is the mini's are perfect for home, they are as quiet as a GPU right, and don't draw a lot of power.  There is a market for them, deal with it

Again, this. It's like saying Mac Minis are a conspiracy because Mac Pros exist.

[madmartyk]

When I bought my mini's I figured there would be an X9.  Thing is the mini's are perfect for home, they are as quiet as a GPU right, and don't draw a lot of power.  There is a market for them, deal with it

Again, this. It's like saying Mac Minis are a conspiracy because Mac Pros exist.

I know that, but our thread troll wants everyone to think if you bought a mini you are going to be screwed because one Bitmain is evil and 2 the Z9 will be 50 times faster at a 10th of the price. 

[greyday]

When I bought my mini's I figured there would be an X9.  Thing is the mini's are perfect for home, they are as quiet as a GPU right, and don't draw a lot of power.  There is a market for them, deal with it

Again, this. It's like saying Mac Minis are a conspiracy because Mac Pros exist.

I know that, but our thread troll wants everyone to think if you bought a mini you are going to be screwed because one Bitmain is evil and 2 the Z9 will be 50 times faster at a 10th of the price.  

Haha, I know, I was agreeing with you, you'll get no drama from me.

It's turning out that the actual Z9 may just be a standard length version of the mini, so just double the cards, since so far I have oc'ed mine more than 60% with zero HW errors after 24hrs. 2x1.6=3.2, which is easily in the 3-4x range mentioned on Twitter. These things are grossly underclocked.

EDIT: for others reading this I'm not saying you should go that high, I am totally willing to risk my Z9 to see how far it goes. It could very well burn out at any time, I am not endorsing overclocking and voiding your warranty, just sharing my experiences.

[madmartyk]

When I bought my mini's I figured there would be an X9.  Thing is the mini's are perfect for home, they are as quiet as a GPU right, and don't draw a lot of power.  There is a market for them, deal with it

Again, this. It's like saying Mac Minis are a conspiracy because Mac Pros exist.

I know that, but our thread troll wants everyone to think if you bought a mini you are going to be screwed because one Bitmain is evil and 2 the Z9 will be 50 times faster at a 10th of the price. 

Haha, I know, I was agreeing with you, you'll get no drama from me.

It's turning out that the actual Z9 may just be a standard length version of the mini, so just double the cards, since so far I have oc'ed mine more than 60% with zero HW errors after 24hrs. 2x1.6=3.2, which is easily in the 3-4x range mentioned on Twitter. These things are grossly underclocked.

EDIT: for others reading this I'm not saying you should go that high, I am totally willing to risk my Z9 to see how far it goes. It could very well burn out at any time, I am not endorsing overclocking and voiding your warranty, just sharing my experiences.

I'm still waiting for mine.