Bitmain launches the Z9 Equihash miner

[martyroz]

                     
Z9 ($1520 - 2x horse power) batch gained more by $405 vs Z9 ($1999) & lower capital by $479                              

You will see the following;

* Batch 1 will have minimal impact to profitability (80-90% of todays levels across all Equihash coins)
* Batch 2 will have significant impact to profitability (guaranteed to reduce to 30-50% of today's levels)

I make that statement on the basis that Batch 1 sold out and Batch 2 still hasn't sold out.
Batch 2 is so big, that they have; dropped the price to $850, given out $250 coupons and doubled the shipping quantity for some.

They don't want to even contemplate storing a warehouse full of new Z9's. They understand that moving stock is business. They want all sold long before production starts rolling them out and they have estimated a LOT of production.

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[martyroz]

So if you bought batch one you get 2 coupons, if you bought batch 2 you get 2X the product?

Indeed, but with delivery in aug-sep.

I would rather have taken the 2x product instead of coupons tbh!

Yes I think any Batch 1 buyer would have liked to just recieve another one in aug-sep.

The double-coupon offer just tells me that they aren't even close to selling out Batch 2.
I could probably buy 2 more for 600 ea.

[dmwardjr]

They don't want to even contemplate storing a warehouse full of new Z9's. They understand that moving stock is business. They want all sold long before production starts rolling them out and they have estimated a LOT of production.

Most should be "considering" whether they've had Z9's (not "mini") mining since late summer of 2017.  I would be surprised if they're manufacturing more Z9's (not "mini").  They did that a LONG time ago [More than likely] FOR THEMSELVES.  Why sell everyone money printing machines that they can simply use for themselves?  First, they mine for themselves.  THEN, once profitability has decreased -OR- threat of a fork appears imminent, begin selling hardware.

[Eyedol-X]

They don't want to even contemplate storing a warehouse full of new Z9's. They understand that moving stock is business. They want all sold long before production starts rolling them out and they have estimated a LOT of production.

Most should be "considering" whether they've had Z9's (not "mini") mining since late summer of 2017.  I would be surprised if they're manufacturing more Z9's (not "mini").  They did that a LONG time ago [More than likely] FOR THEMSELVES.  Why sell everyone money printing machines that they can simply use for themselves?  First, they mine for themselves.  THEN, once profitability has decreased -OR- threat of a fork appears imminent, begin selling hardware.

That is what this seemingly looks like.

They are either blowing out Z9 Mini to make way for the Z9 (Big) or they have inside knowledge that coins are getting ready to fork.

Either way, it's a gamble.

On the subject of Batch 1 Buyers getting coupons vs a 2nd Z9 Mini in the 2nd batch, I would rather have the 2nd Z9 Mini vs coupons that expire in 30 days.

[dmwardjr]

On the subject of Batch 1 Buyers getting coupons vs a 2nd Z9 Mini in the 2nd batch, I would rather have the 2nd Z9 Mini vs coupons that expire in 30 days.

"IF" I were to buy a Z9 mini, I would have taken the first batch or none at all.  Especially, with potential forks.  August/September ship date is just too long of a wait with potential forks on the horizon.  After researching several threads and websites to find out more about what coins are forking or not, I consider Batch 2 or later batches a HIGHER risk than Batch 1.  That's my opinion.

Those lucky enough to get batch one should be fine.  Those with batch 2 should be concerned.  That's my opinion...

[Eyedol-X]

On the subject of Batch 1 Buyers getting coupons vs a 2nd Z9 Mini in the 2nd batch, I would rather have the 2nd Z9 Mini vs coupons that expire in 30 days.

"IF" I were to buy a Z9 mini, I would have taken the first batch or none at all.  Especially, with potential forks.  August/September ship date is just too long of a wait with potential forks on the horizon.  After researching several threads and websites to find out more about what coins are forking or not, I consider Batch 2 or later batches a HIGHER risk than Batch 1.  That's my opinion.

Those lucky enough to get batch one should be fine.  Those with batch 2 should be concerned.  That's my opinion...

I rolled the dice to get 1 of the Batch 1 models knowing it was a risk, now I'm getting 2x $250 coupons that expire in 30 days and I can only use 1 per order.

It's like Bitmain saying "sorry, not sorry"

I agree regarding later batches, that's why I'm not buying more but it sure would be nice if Bitmain was sending one for free

[acidrush]

The bigger version of Z9 would just have 4 times more hashing and 4 times more power consumption. Same thing like buying 4 z9 minis. Nothing sinister about it. It would be some thing like the ascminer for equihash only without water cooling.

https://asicminer.co/shop/asicminer-equihash





 

[Sandal_Hat]

                     
Z9 ($1520 - 2x horse power) batch gained more by $405 vs Z9 ($1999) & lower capital by $479                              

You will see the following;

* Batch 1 will have minimal impact to profitability (80-90% of todays levels across all Equihash coins)
* Batch 2 will have significant impact to profitability (guaranteed to reduce to 30-50% of today's levels)

I make that statement on the basis that Batch 1 sold out and Batch 2 still hasn't sold out.
Batch 2 is so big, that they have; dropped the price to $850, given out $250 coupons and doubled the shipping quantity for some.

They don't want to even contemplate storing a warehouse full of new Z9's. They understand that moving stock is business. They want all sold long before production starts rolling them out and they have estimated a LOT of production.

Yeah and they pass the problem to u....if things dont go well.
They are today still selling toaster D3s for cheap.....

[dmwardjr]

The bigger version of Z9 would just have 4 times more hashing and 4 times more power consumption. Same thing like buying 4 z9 minis. Nothing sinister about it. It would be some thing like the ascminer for equihash only without water cooling.

https://asicminer.co/shop/asicminer-equihash

Nothing "sinister" about it?

You're not concerned at all how many Z9's (not mini) BITMAIN may have already?

[acidrush]

whats so sinister when a Z9 is just the equivalent of 4xz9 minis? its the same power efficiency, just nosier.

[dmwardjr]

whats so sinister when a Z9 is just the equivalent of 4xz9 minis? just nosier.

More coming off the assembly line - OR - that ALREADY came off the assembly line.

They don't take that much longer to make compared to the mini. 

[Eyedol-X]

The bigger version of Z9 would just have 4 times more hashing and 4 times more power consumption. Same thing like buying 4 z9 minis. Nothing sinister about it. It would be some thing like the ascminer for equihash only without water cooling.

https://asicminer.co/shop/asicminer-equihash

LOL, $15,500 for that hunk of high maintenance junk. 

[acidrush]

as long its the same chip with same power efficiency, its not a big deal.

[Longsnowsm]

If they gave us another 4 to 6 months to use the coupons that would be one thing, but short notice short expire isn't any help.  Quite discouraging for anyone getting miners in the second batch.  Looks like they expect something drastic to happen.  This isn't good.

[dmwardjr]

as long its the same chip with same power efficiency, its not a big deal.

Go ahead, you keep on believing that.  It's your prerogative.

[dmwardjr]

If they gave us another 4 to 6 months to use the coupons that would be one thing, but short notice short expire isn't any help.  Quite discouraging for anyone getting miners in the second batch.  Looks like they expect something drastic to happen.  This isn't good.

No, it's not good...  This is looking like X3 all over again.

Bitcoin Private will fork (confirmed by June/July)
Bitcoin Gold will fork (confirmed by June/July)
ZEN will fork (confirmed by June/July)
EXPANSE will fork to PROG PoW (Confirmed by June/July)
ZEC will probably fork (about a 65% chance before September)
Two others will do whatever ZEC will do.

KOMODO will NOT fork (Confirmed)

All Equihash ASIC's will compete on what few Equihash coins not forking.  All of that hash condensed into fewer Equihash coins will not be good for Equihash ASIC's of any kind.  My opinion...  That's why I said earlier that Batch 1 was pretty much your best chance of ROI.  Providing you get it relatively soon.  Bitmain is currently taking their sweet ass time about getting out Batch 1.

[Manu84]

Im sure i will regret this, but i ordered 2 more units.
just wanted to get rig of those coupons asap.
i hate those things..

[dmwardjr]

Im sure i will regret this, but i ordered 2 more units.
just wanted to get rig of those coupons asap.
i hate those things..

How is August/September delivery, "ASAP"

[Kahooli]

Dear customer,

Thank you very much for your purchase of our products. 

You are receiving this email to inform you that we will issue coupons with regards to the price adjustment of our Antminer Z9 mini:

lThose who have purchased and fully paid for a miner for the following batch of the Antminer Z9 mini on our website (https://shop.bitmain.com/) will receive 2 separate coupons of USD250 for each Z9 mini miner purchased.

Previous Batches

Retail Price/USD

Estimated Shipping Time

Antminer Z9 mini

1999

2018-06-20 to 2018-06-30

 

 

 

lThose who have purchased and fully paid for a miner for the following batch of the Antminer Z9 mini on our website (https://shop.bitmain.com/) will receive two units of Z9 mini instead of one. For eg, if you had bought and fully paid for 3 units of Z9 mini, you will be receiving 6 units of Z9 mini.

Note: Only fully paid orders will be shipped according to the above rule. If your order is partially paid, the Z9 mini orders will not be shipped out until we receive your full payment.

Previous Batches

Retail Price/USD

Estimated Shipping Time

Antminer Z9 mini

1520

2018-08-24 to 2018-09-04

 

 

 

Please note that,

1. The coupons will be released by 8th, June, 2018, and the expiry date of these coupons will be 23:59:59, 15th, July, 2018 (Beijing time, GMT +8).

2. The coupons can only be applied to new purchases of the Antminers on https://shop.bitmain.com/

3. The coupons will not be issued in cash and cannot be exchanged for cash. They can only be used to deduct the payment amount when you purchase our miners through https://shop.bitmain.com/

4. More than one coupon cannot be used for the purchase of one miner, and the total coupon discount applied during checkout should not be more than 50% of the total purchase amount. For the specific usage rules, please check the specific product page as reference.

5. During the purchase process, once a coupon has been selected and the order has been submitted, the coupon is deemed to have been used and cannot be used again, even if such an order is not fully paid.

6. Coupons can be transferred to other users’ accounts on www.bitmain.com.

7. The amount deducted by the use of a coupon or coupons cannot be invoiced.

8. To get a fast response from our team for any coupon related issues, please submit a ticket here

9. Bitmain reserves the right to revoke, change the value or limit the usage of all coupons mentioned above.

Thank you for your continuous support and we look forward to servicing you again.

Best regards,

The Bitmain team

[Manu84]

Im sure i will regret this, but i ordered 2 more units.
just wanted to get rig of those coupons asap.
i hate those things..

How is August/September delivery, "ASAP"

nah, but those coupons..
just dont wanted to waste any more second thinking about them..

at least i have a few heaters during wintertime..