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2041  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] WILL TRUMP BE ELECTED TO A SECOND TERM? on: February 03, 2021, 12:14:12 AM
Yes, he is.
2042  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump for prison. on: February 02, 2021, 04:25:50 PM
Can someone outline these crimes please?

- He's already an unindicted coconspirator in campaign finance charges his lawyer already served prison time for.
- He obstructed the investigation into foreign interference in the election he won. (up to 10 different obstruction felony charges have been outlined)
- He likely used the office of president for personal gain (emoluments)
- He threatened/begged the Georgia Sec of State to 'find him' enough votes to win the state after being told he did not have enough votes. (I think there are 2 state laws and 2 federal he could be charged with for this)
- He incited a violent insurrection.
- It looks pretty clear that he committed a ton of bank and tax fraud before he took office.

I'm probably missing a few things.
2043  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: February 02, 2021, 04:11:15 PM
IMO Giuliani was trying to discredit Biden's Presidency, similar to how the Steele dossier was used to discredit Trump's Presidency. In both cases, innocent people were caught in the crossfire.

Giving Rudy a pass bc of the Steele Dossier is pretty weak.

The reason you think the Steele dossier was a joke is the same reason those people stormed the capital and millions of people believe the Trump actually got more votes than Biden.  Trump repeated it over and over and over, and so Republican lawmakers and the media repeated it over and over and over.  and so you repeated it over and over and over.

In reality, there's far more disinformation about the Steele Dossier than in it.  A lot of it has been confirmed, including the most important point - that the Russians were planning to influence the US election by helping Trump win. Most of what hasn't has confirmed has been determined likely true.


The Steele Dossier was Russian disinformation. The Russians fed disinformation about both Clinton and Trump, hoping that the losing party would claim "election interference" by the Russians. The Russians had little to gain from a Trump Presidency, but they had a lot to gain from trying to make the election illegitimate.
I would agree that Trumps behavior surrounding the 2020 election was similar to Russias for the 2016 election.  But the SD was not a big factor in the grand scheme of things, a lot of it has been confirmed true, and very little of it discredited.

America shouldn't tolerate Russia or Trumps behavior.
2044  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] WILL TRUMP BE ELECTED TO A SECOND TERM? on: February 02, 2021, 04:05:18 PM
Biden isn't president

Yes he is.
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2046  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Joe Biden is President of the United States of America on: February 01, 2021, 09:25:15 PM
Who's going to be the first congress person to be censured after the 2020 elections? Ilhan Omar was close over her blatant anti-semitism but dems couldnt fully commit. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) is going to be my pick. She is an actual crazy person. Q anon believer and anti-semitic making the bold claim that the California wild fires were a result of the evil jews and their space laser. Apparently she thought Parkland was a false flag? Or maybe Sandy Hook?

Anyways, yeah -- she's actually crazy. Perhaps the first mentally unstable woman elected to congress.

I could see Marjorie Greene actually being removed from Congress at some point before her term is over.  She's a bad look for Republicans, expulsion could end up being a good play politically and she's got enough crazy in her that she will likely give them a good reason to do it.  I'm thinking something involving loaded guns inside the Capital.

Most of the Republicans that voted to impeach Trump have already been censured by their state legislators.  Not really a big deal though, I think John McCaine was censured like every other year or something (and they just censured his wife).
2047  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump for prison. on: February 01, 2021, 08:16:44 AM
It is not illegal to lie, even repeatedly.

It's not illegal to shoot a gun either.  Or walk out of a bank with cash.  Or have sex.

Doesn't make shooting someone, robbing a bank or rape legal.


I am not sure what you are referring to that you describe as "violent rhetoric".
then google it?

here's one that stood out to me for example.:

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A 78-year-old white male Trump supporter punched a Black male protester being escorted out of a Trump campaign rally in Fayetteville, North Carolina. The Trump supporter was recorded on video saying he enjoyed “knocking the hell out of that big mouth” and “Yes, he deserved it. The next time we see him, we might have to kill him.”
Trump the next day when asked about the violence at his rally:
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I thought it was very, very appropriate. He was swinging, he was hitting people and the audience hit back. And that’s what we need a little bit more of.


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There has not been a single documented case of protesters initiating violence against Trump supporters, according to Time. And at the Las Vegas rally that Trump cites, multiple security personnel told Politico that the protester threw no punches and that Trump was “over-exaggerating.”
source

I'm not going to write up a report for you, from memory there's the "if he can do a body slam, that's my kind of guy" when the Republican running for governor (maybe congress?) was arrested for body slamming a reporter.

And the rally where he said 'if you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them and I'll pay your legal fees'

The times he's fondly remembered the good old day when you could 'punch them in the face' and 'they'd be carried out on a stretcher' after protesters interrupted him.

And there's plenty of others.

Bringing charges against someone for political reasons is not necessarily illegal, so any conviction may stick provided the relevant statutes were violated. The problem is political. I can see there being a backlash against charging a former US President with crimes resulting in him going to prison. This backlash could ultimately lead to pressure on the Biden administration to drop the charges.
You're arguing that someone should be able to get away with crime because they were president. 
Take Trump out of the equation and you'll see how ridiculous (and political, ironically) of an argument that is.  

Think about why we have a criminal justice system.  Why there are punishments for committing crimes.  That's the argument for why a president should be charged with crimes that can be proven in court.
2048  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Joe Biden is President of the United States of America on: January 31, 2021, 09:41:20 PM
Looks like a military base to me. Looks like they are getting ready for something?

It is kinda hard to connect the dots but this whole WSB/GME thing may go wider and wilder and trigger something big. Or maybe it is part of something big. Cannot tell yet.

It's a military base because people on reddit bought a bunch of gamestop stock.  Really?  Those are the dots you decided to connect?
2049  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? on: January 31, 2021, 10:09:50 AM
How Bill Gates became the voodoo doll of Covid conspiracies
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52833706
2050  Economy / Gambling / Re: **luckygames.io is closing soon - withdraw your funds now** on: January 31, 2021, 08:43:14 AM
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2051  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? on: January 31, 2021, 08:19:16 AM
The Effects of Anti-Vaccine Conspiracy Theories on Vaccination Intentions
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0089177


COVID vaccine fake news and conspiracy theories
https://www.news10.com/news/coronavirus/covid-vaccine-fake-news-and-conspiracy-theories/


The Utter Familiarity of Even the Strangest Vaccine Conspiracy Theories
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/familiarity-strangest-vaccine-conspiracy-theories/617572/
2052  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump for prison. on: January 31, 2021, 03:28:54 AM
I don't think the word "organized" would describe Trump's role in the riot in the Capital. The role that Trump may have played in causing the riot was his speech, and any criminal prosecution would run into first amendment issues.

It seems to be a pretty common misconception being pushed by the media that 'the speech' is the only thing to consider regarding Trump and the attack on the capital.  Of course that's not true.  You need to look at all the evidence.  The tweets, the violent rhetoric, that blatant lies being repeated over and over.  

The speech was a pep rally before the big game.  All the work has already been done, now it's time to get hyped and win the game.

Also, the event was literally organized by him.
2053  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump for prison. on: January 31, 2021, 01:16:22 AM
there would be too much pressure from voters for Biden (or whoever is President) to either pardon Trump or have the DOJ drop the charges.

What makes you think that?  

I know you don't trust polls that cast Trump in a negative light, but here's an ABC news poll from a couple weeks ago anyway:

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/b2030ff6-7d13-4e12-83b1-42ef7ace3da5/note/f1766c48-a9bc-4c9b-8f39-d9abd05f9711.#page=1

If you have a more reliable way to figure out what Americans think please share.


This is similar to why Trump did not prosecute or even appoint a special counsel to investigate Clinton.

The President doesn't have the authority to prosecute anyone.  I don't think he has the authority to appoint a special council either, but I might be wrong about that.

Like other political enemies (Biden, Obama, Comey, etc...), Trump attempted to have Clinton charged.  It seems pretty clear that the reason she wasn't charged was the same reason Comey gave in his infamous presser: it was unlikely they'd be able to get a conviction.  I don't think Sessions or Barr would've hesitated to charge her if they had a case that rose to the level that gives the DOJ a high 90% conviction rate.

Trump has not been involved in his businesses for at least the last 4 years, but he was likely not involved in the taking out of any loans during his campaign, which would go back about 5 and a half years. I don't think Trump would have committed fraud, and decided to run for President six months later.

I'd be shocked if he wasn't involved in his business while he was president.

I think most of the financial charges will come from before he was President.

If he ends up facing any serious criminal charges, they would most likely be related to Jan 6th terrorist attack he organized.

I'm torn personally on whether or not charging Trump would be best for the country.  I think he deserves it, and not charging him creates a horrible precedent.  But on the other hand, we need to be lowering the temperature so we can move on from the train wreck that was Trump and charging him would just be one more reason for one side to dunk on the other. 

2054  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump for prison. on: January 30, 2021, 10:39:07 PM
Assuming he's charged within the next few months and it doesn't go to trial, I expect it to be 3-4+ years from now.

A more likely scenario is he refuses any plea bargain and spends the rest of his life successfully finding ways to delay the trial/sentencing.
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2056  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: OgNasty Ponzi passthrough and ponzi fans.. BTC losses everywhere he goes on: January 29, 2021, 01:45:32 AM
I was told yesterday by the pirate SEC lawyer that given the age of the conduct, I should collect as much information as possible to have the agency run with it,
Considering the 5 year statute of limitations on most federal crimes (the crimes with no/longer limitations have nothing to do with anything you are alleging OgN did), I would say this is almost certain to be complete BS, and blowing smoke.

I don't think it makes sense to use the existence of a statute of limitations as evidence to suggest whether allegations are credible or not.  I'm sure we could each come up with tons of examples of people that were clearly guilty of a crime but not charged due to a statue of limitations.  
2057  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 25th Amendment after Trump supporters riot in the Capital on: January 28, 2021, 11:36:43 PM
Hereistheevidence aggregates evidence relating to the stolen election, and the Capitol riot.
https://hereistheevidence.com/capitol-protest-1-6-21/

Evidence of what?

First 4 that came up:



This is evidence that:

- The DC rally that the president organized and gave a speech at had a permit.
- Someone said "we will be entering the capital", before Trumps speech.


So what?

And a bunch of the election fraud 'evidence' is just taken directly from Trumps lawsuits (which were thrown out in court after court after court...) and quoted as if they were fact.  They're not fact.  They're the opposite.
2058  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 25th Amendment after Trump supporters riot in the Capital on: January 28, 2021, 10:59:50 PM
If you want to catch up with the latest ridiculous, laughable conspiracy theory nonsense,
simply, search for a Tzupy ..EXCLUSIVE: ... BREAKING: ...   link.

Click, shake head and chuckle....

Interesting, Tzupy never posted in politics until last month, wasn't active for months before that, and before that only posted in speculation.

Since December though, it's been only P&S, all kraken/qanon/covid denier posts.  

It is bizarre, but then again what's the difference between him and any of the other career insaneposters in this section? I can't see what the endgame would be other than making a fool of oneself, so it must just be mental illness.

I think we might be dealing with a newbie conspiracy fantacist (seems more appropriate than theorist).  Possibly a mentally healthy as recently as a few months ago.  If you just keep taking a couple sips of the kool aid every day for long enough, before you know it you'll be waiting for the kraken to be released.





Hereistheevidence aggregates evidence relating to the stolen election, and the Capitol riot.
https://hereistheevidence.com/capitol-protest-1-6-21/

Evidence of what?

First 4 that came up:



This is evidence that:

- The DC rally that the president organized and gave a speech at had a permit.
- Someone said "we will be entering the capital", before Trumps speech.


So what? What is this evidence of?

Also, a bunch of the election fraud 'evidence' is just taken directly from Trumps lawsuits (which were thrown out in court after court after court...) and quoted as if they were fact.  They're not fact.  They're the opposite.
2059  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Joe Biden is President of the United States of America on: January 28, 2021, 08:59:49 PM
You want to claim that are the same ears?

Just tells us what's happening FFS. Is he a shape-shifting alien? Did his lizard overlords accidentally glue on the wrong set of ears? Are those Hillary's ears?

I heard that Hillary Clinton had a Joe Biden costume made with the help of the deepstates technology that normies don't even know exist yet although it still needs a little more work on things like the ears. So she killed Biden during Trumps first year and drank most of his blood bus saved some for Pelosi, and then she put on the Biden costume and became him. She even has sex with Bidens wife (and Hunter - still in Biden costume).  And now she's president.  
2060  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Joe Biden is President of the United States of America on: January 28, 2021, 08:19:12 PM
Attached or unattached earlobes which is it? Is it today i walk around with attached earlobes?

Ok this one is my new favorite. I have no idea what you're getting at, but I love it.
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