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I have no collateral if i did i wouldn't be asking for a loan.
Well in this case I suggest you to find someone you know personally and ask them to help you. This place has no use for you unless you have a valid collateral. As Royse777 said, without Valid collateral you wont see any kind of loan request to be filled. So if you don't have any, as you already said, close your thread and look elsewhere. Don't waste for nothing your newbie account... |
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That is indeed possible. Now that I see the account I thought was Condoras' in the second group discussion has been deleted, and the one in the first is still there (and that's the one I contacted,) it seems quite plausible. The "Client" certainly could have started the second conversation posing as Condoras.
I've removed my negative tag. I now recognize it's impossible to prove that Condoras was part of the second group discussion titled "Escrow," and that's where all the really shady shit happened.
It would be nice to hear a big "sorry" for all this mess, as i would like to thank you for notifying me and get here to explain. We can prevent all this fuss if you contact me directly, the moment you get a msg from another "Condoras" and tell you to be on another chat room. Anyway, i don't hold any grudges or bad feelings but please be more carefull when you accuse someone. P.S: You can say that you sorry with a big meme or pic here...   (jk) |
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@DireWolfM14: is it possible someone was impersonating condoras? There's never been a verified signed message proving it's the real person. Also: the Zip files contain many files, but Google Drive doesn't let me open messages.html. Can you upload it as text only somewhere? @condoras: I disagree with (negative) retaliation feedback. Please reconsider, this is not helping your case, and can only lead to you being excluded from DT. Also: your explanation is a bit chaotic, which doesn't help your case either. And: check https://bitcointalk.org/myips.php, see if someone else has accessed your account. I also disagree with accusing me based on false or misunderstood things and call them evidence. There is no retaliation here, i will remove it when he removes it. Besides if he see it, maybe he can see and his mistake. Also there is no case since he post the pics, it's perfectly clear, at least to my eyes. They try firstly with DW, it could be easy being me their first choise to try and scam. As i said it's been done in the past. You can understand though that i cannot let DW to mark me based on false things... Can you tell me what from my story is chaotic? What thing is uncleared?  EDIT: Noone access my account besides me. All these years is only me and me alone. You can also check my TG, a lot people here can. EDIT2: Negative feedback removed. |
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First of all idk a thing about any kind of teck in this, so i dont know what "doctored" means...
Secondly my time zone and IP etc can easily verified so we can see what time i suppose to send him any msg, since i was not in a PC or in any internet point.
Finaly i repeat that i never send any msg to DW regarding sending me any kind of funds and so i NEVER msg him ANY address of mine.
I insisting to check the name of the guy who send to DW the msg with "my" addy and the words that i want him to send me any funds. Any change in that username/ profile will clear the case.
I think i'm clear enough.
We can't really verify any IPs or timezones here and that wouldn't prove anything anyway. The best I can figure out from your explanation is that you're claiming that the person in the group chat is not you. How did that person know everything about the deal? And who is the "client"? I'm just saying that you can check the log files of my real account there and see if i was on the time that DW gets the msgs and create a NEW chat with these guys. As i said earlier, because it happen again in the past some scammers to try and "copy cat" lenders around here in TG, i'm most that certain that those guys try to scam DW. Btw if an account is deleted from a chat, is deleted from everywhere and my account is still on his list, plus the chat that i create.... Idk who is he, only the username "Warum". |
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Ok, as you wish. I strongly advice you to know better before accusing someone and at least, learn how to verify people on TG.
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I did but i don't see pics or the msgs itself. Can you make a pic of the msg that i say to you to send me the funds first? Interesting, all of the sudden both accounts seem to have been deleted.   Still though, my real account remains and you can send him a msg now... It's more than clear that someone use my username which can be done, in order to scam you and accuse me. EDIT: So can you please remove the false neg?! Omg man, you can't see your own image?   My account is STILL active... |
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Yes i message him after he message me. That includes Warum (client). If you mean if this msg send by me, no i didnt send any msg like this one.
So you're basically saying that DireWolfM14 doctored the chat logs? I just want you to be absolutely clear about it. First of all idk a thing about any kind of teck in this, so i dont know what "doctored" means... Secondly my time zone and IP etc can easily verified so we can see what time i suppose to send him any msg, since i was not in a PC or in any internet point. Finaly i repeat that i never send any msg to DW regarding sending me any kind of funds and so i NEVER msg him ANY address of mine. I insisting to check the name of the guy who send to DW the msg with "my" addy and the words that i want him to send me any funds. Any change in that username/ profile will clear the case. I think i'm clear enough. |
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Is this your address: 1s1yBtD16SurC1x8QAWnQswwnT5oS6fAd
No its not. EDIT: @DW: Is there any way to take a pic from the account that name itself like me and send you anything related to this? Because it happen again in the past and i believe that this is the case here as well. |
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What chat logs? Can you please show me the msg that i say that any funds to be sent to me?!
I m also active more 1h so i guees we will finish this tonight
As Mr Warum ask he demand you sending BTC to my wallet, he check txid, than he send collateral to you.this is totally fine for me , but say me Dire is this okay with you?
I understand him as its high value but we are old loaners and btctalk members, anyway Warum i think this should be not problem but wait for Dire to come back Your message or not? Yes i message him after he message me. That includes Warum (client). If you mean if this msg send by me, no i didnt send any msg like this one.
I did but i don't see pics or the msgs itself. Can you make a pic of the msg that i say to you to send me the funds first? EDIT: Sorry for the edit's. |
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Sorry but i can't see any of them. Can you please post them as a link?
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EDIT: P.S I'm not mention the fact that i never say to DW to send first, in any case. I'm being in Lending so much time to say something like this...  This doesn't match DW's side of the story and I'm more inclined to believe him. According to him (and backed by chat logs) you requested the funds to be sent to you, and that BTC would be sent first, LTC collateral later. What chat logs? Can you please show me the msg that i say that any funds to be sent to me?! You may even consider the fact some other with similar name with mine to contact DW and told him whatever? That the only logic possibility that i can think off since i dont ask ANYTHING FROM ANYONE. |
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I think a high ranking, green trusted, DT2 member tried to scam me this past Thursday, but I don't really have definitive proof.
The Other Member (lets call him TOM,) sent me a PM asking me to connect with him on Telegram, which I did. The discussion was about a prospective loan client who wanted a loan that TOM was unable to fill. He asked if I could fill it, and since collateral was offered, I agreed to do so. TOM started a discussion with the client, and then things got weird. At some point it struck me that this might be a phishing attempt, but I continued along because I wasn't 100% sure (and I'm curious.)
TOM and the client wanted me to send the bitcoin to TOM's address first, which was to be followed by by the collateral being sent to me. Then TOM was to forward the loan to the client. This was a deal breaker for me, there was no way I was going to send first but I tried to appease the client by pointing him to my lending thread, providing a PGP signed message including the collateral address, and message signed with the address holding the coin. I even sent dust to the address TOM provided, to prove I had the coin.
About that address; I asked TOM to send me a signed message on the forum with the address to which I was supposed send the bitcoin. He sent me an address on Telegram, ignoring my requests to send it through the forum and include a signed message. The request for a signed message was made and ignored three times. The address had never been used before, and of course no reference to that address was found in a google search. Shortly after that I backed out.
I have exported the discussions from Telegram, but as you know these could easily be faked or modified which is why I say I don't have definitive proof. Of course I did not modify them, and I have them stored in a way that may help some day.
Once I started getting uneasy about the scenario it occurred to me that TOM's account might have been hacked, and it was possible the hacker sent me the original PM. There are no recent password changes on TOM's account, but hackers have been known to sneak into people's accounts, and send PMs to unsuspecting member phishing for a scam. So I gave TOM the benefit of the doubt. I sent my own PM to TOM, pretending that I lost his Telegram address, and asked that he resend it. The next morning I found a reply from TOM confirming the same Telegram address with which I had the discussion the previous night. This isn't to say that the account has not changed hands, or been hacked, but it does seem to confirm that whoever is in control of TOM's account is the same person I communicated with on Telegram Thursday.
Anyway, I don't want to get into a he-said/they-said drama by claiming some one is a potential scammer if I'm just being sensitive. And I certainly don't want to ruin someone's reputation if I'm wrong. But, most critically, If my hunch is right I don't want this guy scamming someone if I could do something about it. There were a lot of red flags during the discussion, and it behooves us all the recognize them.
1) Don't trust someone's rank.
2) Don't go by trust scores, verify their ratings and reasons behind them.
3) Insist on critical information be sent here on the forum, where you can verify and prove the contact.
4) Insist on signed messages if you are to send first in any trade.
5) Just because someone appears trustworthy here, doesn't mean they will be outside the forum.
Well it seems like the TOM guy is me, because i contact DW for a loan that i couldnt fill about 55 LTC!  Some things though here is very innaccurate like that i want to scam (!!!) DW. So let's take things step by step: 1: I get a message from a guy who has a username with another member here in TG. I saw it so i figure that probably was the same person, which now i really dought. He write to me that he wants a loan on BTC or ETH. So far so good from my side, the problem though was that i havent in my hot wallet the amount that this guy asked. https://imgur.com/bYrJT37. 2: Because of my recent loss due i fall to a scam site, i think to contact another "fellow" lender around that can probably fill it or cooperate with me on it. So i keep talking with the client and explain things, like how much collateral must have etc. The guy though vanish for a while. https://imgur.com/R349Oxm3: At that time i contact DW since he is one of the members here and especialy in Lending section that i believe he is trusted enough. I didn't say to him though that i want ANY kind of amount from this deal (lending funds or collateral funds) in my wallets. So for bettet communication i make a group with the 3 of us,. Client (Warum the "name"), me and DW. In this chat i specificaly said that the collateral funds will be held by DW and NOT ME. https://imgur.com/FkPnNUTWhy? But because if i cant fill it all then i preffer the other part/ cooperateror/ time partner not to EVEN think that i'm tring to do whatever. Think DW miss this msg... 4. The group chat ended with the agreement to chat again the next day at 14:00' CET. https://imgur.com/3dt8P8jDue my health problems (for sometime now, some members here knows about it) i was unable to loggin at that time, so i missed the meeting and i get on it later. Then i see that Warum delete his account... I check group chat and no new msg and Warum was missing from the group. Instead i have a msg from DW asking me where to send the funds (!) and i was very surpise by that since we didnt say that i will get ANY KIND OF FUNDS from either of them (DW and Warum) and i ask him about what funds he is talking about. https://imgur.com/dk9zniPMy question to DW and to all others who see it as a scam try is this: Why to do this since i didnt ask any amount of funds and the only % that i want to take was the escrow fee, IF any escrow fee occured. Nothing more and nothing less. Perhaps the thing that i dont want to loss possible clients, seems too much. But we all know that having clients with a valid collateral is more than rare these days and thats why any income will do, at least for me. I also dont want to write more than i can or to see this as an act of drama but it will be good/ better to talk before you judge so easilly. And no, my name is not Tom! EDIT: P.S I'm not mention the fact that i never say to DW to send first, in any case. I'm being in Lending so much time to say something like this... |
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Fuck, sorry to hear. I just documented my own tale of being scammed... unfortunately it is also fresh. Glad to see you did the right thing in bringing it to light so others don't fall into the same trap. This is exactly what i try to do, to leave it behind and move on. I'm dissapointed though with myself because i'm not a newbie and i act like one.
Best thing to do, including the disappointment. It helps in not making the same mistake again. The problem is that no matter how many times we write our bad experiences, scammers will come with something else. Why? Because there is nothing to bring them down. They can get away every time they do their scheme. Maybe a tracker in a transaction or a bug-"back money"...  |
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sorry for what happened to you, mate.. You can not regret what has happened, you should just let go of your loss so that your personal health is not getting worse. btw, thank you for sharing your experience, I personally made your experience a lesson to be more careful.
This is exactly what i try to do, to leave it behind and move on. I'm dissapointed though with myself because i'm not a newbie and i act like one. I should be more focus and see the signs of this scam... That's the point buddy, to share our experiences with all the other members here so to all learn from our mistakes and failures. Ofc and our successes, whenever that happens.  Thank you for your words and thoughs, BTCe safe. |
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So the bottom line is that you don't offer any kind of collateral, just your "word" that you will repay. Seriously now?! Without something as collateral to secure lender's funds, you wont get anything here. Your "well known underwriter" should inform you about this or to fund you without asking any loan. Besides as you said, he have a pool of investors... |
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hope you learned your lesson
2000% i did man, maybe more!
Wow, I can only imagine how bad you feel. Did they contact you through Telegram? Until recently, they only had those lame security deposit scams, but seems they've stepped up their game. General rule of thumb: NEVER EVER trust anyone in Cryptoland, especially if they contacted you without your consent. I sometimes manage to talk to the guys regularly trying to scam me, because I'm always keen to get some insights on what they do. Usually, it's poor guys who use their last bit of money to buy an address list from HYIP forums. They get these addresses from scam airdrops which sell our data. Then, they buy the website, along with instructions on how they can scam others and they start going through their list of Telegram handles. What helped me, so far, is: click their Telegram profile and check if they have any common chat rooms with you. Seems they're too stupid to at least join a few big, common crypto rooms, so it's at least believable that they found your handle in one of those rooms. Background is: how should they even find you to start a private message with you when there's no common room between you and him? So, if there's no common room, you can be 100% sure that this is someone trying to scam you. Recently, I'm also getting PMs with HYIP offers. Just stay away. Hope this loss wasn't too much for you, btw. You are correct in more than one points. Yes "they" contact me through TG, no i didn't see through his profile any connection with me. I figure that was not a reason not to hear what this "guy" wants from me. Besides because of my lending service, i get many PM's and DM's and all the kind of M's... The bottom line is that after the scam, they delete their profile and puff... away! I will follow though your advises as i always do when it comes from friends, be certain. As for the amount of my loss, i believe than any amount of crypto loss is big.  |
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Personal data
Thank you for verifying our thoughts. When do I get my 5 BTC?
I guess when you tell him your name...? After all it's personal data! |
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maybe from 1 to 5 BTC for up to 36 months
the first 55 days of using the loan at 0%
all subsequent at 5% per month, early repayment is possible, you can also get a loan with interest at the end of the term
Still one crusial question remains: What do you mean with the term "profile"? Personaly i agree with suchmoon on this but it will be good to hear what you have to say. If you are still here... I'm gonna go with "identity theft" in this round of Guess Which Scam A Newbie Is Trying This Time.
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Dear traders and cryptocurrency users, we invite you to participate in our program, which will help you rise to a new level of earnings. And support you financially. Borrow cryptocurrency from 1 to 5 BTC at 0% up to 55 days. Minimum documents. (profile) Convenient conditions. For details cryptocredit2010@gmail.comBTCCan you please clarify what do you mean? You give 1-5 BTC without interest and collateral a profile? |
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I lost access to my account, so I created a new one.
And you manage to get a negative already? From whom you are asking? Don't you read with your previous account what we said to you? Without proper collateral you wont get anything. Monthly profit over the period is some 10.9k BRL (2.6k USD).
Said by you... |
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