some people will enjoy the thrill of making and losing money more than other people
it varies
it's normal too that we have different preferences on what to do with our free time and with our money
no big deal with that
the problem is when our habits starts to interfere with living a good life and when we start to hurt others
It is very true, because when things have to be approached from the most common point of view, they have to happen in proportion so that we generate our money/fun/enjoyment or not, if we maintain that balance I think things are fine. , but the moment things get out of control is when we have to evaluate what is happening, because basically when we generate some money in some way, very few people repeat it, they simply leave it there so that it generates more money and they have options to be better, but that ends up wearing down, and when enjoyment turns into pressure, stress, then other consequences come and the biggest one is addiction and that is what affects us and our family, sometimes the environment. environment, and that is damage that occurs and is very harmful, that is what must be avoided. I think we take "making money" too much as a signal of success when this is not always true one can make money in several different ways and a person who makes a lot of money without morality doesn't deserve a label of sucess of course the final judge is always time and we have no way to bribe our pillows... sometimes I wonder if I believe in karma as a wishful thinking thing or as truth... let it be |
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enquanto isso na eth está super barato transacionar, curioso né? parece que os especuladores só focam em um parquinho de cada vez
Legal que o "super barato" do ethereum é caro do bitcoin. "Super barato" equivalente a uns 50 sat vB . Uma simples transação de eth está custando 1.4 usd. Uns 50% a mais do que antes do Halving. Super barato seria se estivesse 0.1 usd pra transacionar no ethereum, assim como estava no btc a maior parte dos últimos anos.. eu sou do time que defende que a main net da eth não é para transações do dia a dia, vai ser usada como settlement layer pras L2 e por quem não se importa de pagar caro. quer pagar barato? dá pra pagar bem menos que 0.1 eth na arbitrum ou na op por exemplo tx fee de uma transação aleatória na arbitrum por exemplo que acabei de olhar 0.0000222633144 ETH ($0.07)a ethereum tem tecnologia pra permitir isso, o btc ainda não (não dá pra dizer que a lightining vingou) e talvez nem terá... veremos, pq em termos de ciclo ele está repetindo um pouco o que aconteceu na eth no passado (plataformas defi, nfts e memes começando a surgir) |
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Mas será que eles irão dar a seed para os clientes? Acredito que não.
Alguém sabe que vai ser a empresa cripto que vai dar o apoio a NuBank? Ou eles vão lidar com tudo sozinhos?
nenhuma corretora centralizada dá seed pros clientes (binance por exemplo) não acho que com o nubank será diferente. eles vão agir como uma CEX agora que permitirão saques e depósitos fiquei surpreso com a notícia também não achei que aconteceria |
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some people will enjoy the thrill of making and losing money more than other people
it varies
it's normal too that we have different preferences on what to do with our free time and with our money
no big deal with that
the problem is when our habits starts to interfere with living a good life and when we start to hurt others
This is just like the people that enjoy bungee jumping and other extreme activities, as on the surface it may not make much sense for people to risk their lives and their health when they seem to gain nothing from the activity. However for those people it is completely worth it, as what they are after is the adrenaline rush they may get and that makes them to feel alive, so I really think that many of those that become addicted gamblers have a similar way to think about gambling, and that is what ends up getting them into so much trouble. When people become addicted to gambling, they no longer think about themselves because they will only think about gambling. Losing money will just be normal for them, and they don't consider it something big. Those who are addicted to gambling may start to annoy other people by starting to lose their temper, changing habits and making people around them wonder. It is difficult to pull them out of gambling because they have become addicted to gambling. That's why when playing gambling, we have to be able to control ourselves well so we don't experience these problems. it's interesting how sometimes we can be fooled by reality if we choose to ignore things instead of looking at what we have at our hands and deciding with it I understand it happening though I still think it is quite crazy the way is learning to be better than yesterday... |
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Exactly, the current network conditions which are once again congested have caused transaction fees to increase again as happened some time ago and affected withdrawal fees at Roobet to around $10, and of course this is very unpleasant for Bitcoin users, but I think all withdrawal fees at other casinos will increase except for casinos which previously had quite high fees.
Luckily, Roobet has quite a lot of payment types to choose from so that Bitcoin users can temporarily switch to another coin if they want to keep playing, instead of having to pay high fees to make deposits and withdrawals, switching to another coin will be an option for the time being, except for whales, of course they won't be hampered by incurring transaction fees of just a few dollars.
I'm not sure if we'll see bitcoin fees going way down in the future, at least short term with a lot more activity happening in the network like ordinals and soon runes I think we may see a raise, there's the halving too I don't know, but it's always good to have alternatives with lower fees, like even DOGE or TRX, these are hated by many but can save a lot when moving via L1 It looks like things are getting worse and worse with the Bitcoin mempool. The reason is in ordilals or some other factors, but commissions of tens and even more than hundreds of dollars are no longer suitable for use in casinos and in gambling in general. Apparently all casinos will have to gradually reduce the participation of Bitcoin in players’ deposits and they will be forced to switch to cryptocurrency with a small commission. As a result, there will be two or three coins that will be used the most in the gamblng industry. Well, for example, Tron, or SOL. And Bitcoin, despite the fact that devs Bitcoin Core will not solve the problem of low commissions, will gradually disappear from the gaming industry. That's what I think. In particular, devs Roobet, as the “Crypto’s Fastest Growing Casino”, should start choosing the main coin for its business. I guess it depends on situation since not every time the fees is so high. People nowadays is adaptable on situation so if the fee rise for sure gamblers would find a solution to choose those cheap fees altcoins so they can continue to gamble or participate on any of there activities here. But if the fees of bitcoin return to normal which is really happening they go with bitcoins then gamble using this coin. That's why its good that they have multiple option since people could choose between what altcoin is suitable for them if issues with network fees will occur. I guess Roobet didn't have any concern about this since maybe they let their players to decide what coin they want to deposit and also I don't think changing will be a problem since I guess many casino still want bitcoin as their main currency since this is famous coin and they don't want to confuse their existing gamblers just for these changes or issue. The situation after the halving has worsened even more and the addition of the Runes protocol can make the Bitcoin network commissions practically unacceptable for the majority of players in crypto casinos for a long time. Of course, this is a common problem for all crypto casinos, not just Roobet, and it will have to be solved somehow. As I understand it, the use of LN is almost never used in the gambling business due to the sufficient complexity and associated problems that arise. And it cannot be a good alternative for Bitcoin payments. So it looks like the entire industry will really have to switch to several main altcoins, which, as they are used, will be associated by all players with the cryptocurrency used as the base one in the entire gambling industry. Apparently this will happen if the Bitcoin devs community does not make any decisions to ban protocols such as Runes. large fees are a big problem for small users but not such a big deal for whales the thing is that small users can always opt for other cheaper chains like doge, tron or others we mentioned here these casinos offering a wide range of options can be a good thing for all users regardless of the size of their bankroll... |
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Not really because I have learned so much in gambling , this teaches me how to not go with my desire to be an easy money making instead I know how to work and earn little by little.
because gambling promising an easy money and that made many gamblers so desperate in taking that chances that ended them as addicted losers.
that's really interesting to hear there's not a lot of gamblers who learned not to chase easy money, in my opinion since this is one of the biggest promises of the gambling industry time passes and it keeps valid... |
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Vamos acompanhando se esse vai ser o novo normal ou se a mania logo passa Novo normal? Creio que não. Claro que não... não existe demanda para manter as taxas do bitcoin acima de 20-30 sat vB, somente quando surge ordinals ou runes ou qq coisa assim, colocando dados no blockchain. Isso é uma mania que vai passar (ou o dinheiro acabar), ou então a comunidade irá impedir isso de acontecer. As ultimas manias não duraram mais do que alguns dias... Tem bloco ai sendo minerado com mais de 27 BTC de premio. Certamente não será o novo normal. dias? boa sorte com essa previsão a bull run de nfts na ethereum durou meses vários meses de taxas altíssimas não duvido que essa brincadeira no btc deixe as taxas altas por um bom tempo ainda os mineradores festejam... enquanto isso na eth está super barato transacionar, curioso né? parece que os especuladores só focam em um parquinho de cada vez |
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Se o governo brasileiro resolver ler isso aqui passo para lembrar que
Não tenho e não pretendo ter posse nenhuma de créptomoedas. Agora e por toda eternidade, amém.
Tem um boato nos corredores do Ministério da Economia, que tem um cara que escreve no site Bitcointalk, que já entrou na mira da receita federal brasileira. Parece que o cara é um cara que trabalha com malabarismo e já até se apresentou no extinto programa do Faustão, na Globo. Será que você saberia dizer quem é esse sujeito ? Por essas e outras me arrependo de não ter feito uma conta aqui com pseudônimo. Mas o fato é que não tenho com o que me preocupar. Além de não ter créptomoedas sou um peixe pequeno demais na vida pra que qualquer autoridade se preocupe com o que tenho ou deixo de ter. Além disso não me envolvo com coisas ilícitas e faço tudo dentro das regras. Segue o baile. |
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~snip~
I agree that if someone approach gambling to make money they have higher probability of getting addicted than someone who approaches it for fun
it's not given, because there's a lot of variability from human to human
but probably.
One interesting thing to think about is how casinos could make their games and engines less addicting though it goes completely against their interests.
Yeah, but the main attractiveness of casinos is the idea that you can earn money from the games. The games themselves are not really that entertaining, because they don't have to be. They just need to be random in a way that makes the casino earn more than they pay to the gambler, and that's it. There would be very few people playing if there was no real money involved. Yes. Some people will get more hooked by this possibility Random rewards Pure luck games with no skill or little skill I could bet that their power users spend a lot of money on casinos, keep losing but keep coming back Hope can be a sweet poison |
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O lixo de um é o tesouro de outros.
Sei que os maximalistas piram com isso mas pode ser que runes e ordinals sejam até bons pro btc no futuro pra incentivar mineradores a continuarem na rede.
O que acontece é o mesmo que na eth. A main net ficando cara fará com que L2s baratas sejam mais atrativas.
Agora sobre essa notícia de querer proibir/censurar os blocos com ordinals só me pergunto uma coisa: como?
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Eu não sei o que é pior, pensar na questão monetária em um momento desses ou o fato do governo te taxar até depois que você já morreu.
Mas acredito que deve ser um assunto a ser discutido previamente.. já existem algumas soluções, não lembro o nome, "holding familiar", algo assim, para mitigar esses impostos malucos sobre herança.
sim, essa é uma alternativa que está se popularizando holdings ou trusts (não sei bem a diferença) que tem os herdeiros como sócios, facilita na hora de transmissão sucessória e economiza no ITB que é realmente um roubo, ainda mais num momento de dor muito difícil para várias famílias.
tecnicamente aos olhos da lei se você não comunica o falecimento e movimento a conta é crime sim. Se vai dar alguma coisa provavelmente depende da harmonia da família e da disposição entre irmãos para processar uns aos outros já vi cada coisa que se eu contar vcs nem acreditam... |
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Yes, I agree with you that the point is not to take gambling seriously or do not prioritize gambling because it is nothing more than a game of probability that runs full of uncertainty, which usually in some cases most people are even dominated by regret and disappointment when always trying to make gambling as an income. And what we have to pay attention to here is the possibility of losing or the risk because in gambling usually the risk will be much greater than the chances of winning. Especially if you or whoever it is trying to make gambling a job to find the main income then most likely instead of earning but most likely you will actually experience a lot of losses. You already said one of the reasons is because gambling is a business for casinos that will benefit themselves by taking advantage of gamblers who have a wrong understanding or take advantage of those who always overdo it, so we always recommend seeing gambling as an entertainment game.
If it is a fact, what happens is that the game should be seen as entertainment as something that should be available so that you can have a different time, we cannot say that it is only for enjoyment or only pleasure, the goal is to make money, but In the event that it is not fulfilled then we still have to accept it, when we start inventing to try to earn more money we can take many risks, among those risks is that of losing much more money, so these are the things that we must see, first, see how much money we are willing to spend in the casino, for me that is a priority before playing, second, if we do everything possible to win and it is not achieved, we have to assume that it was lost and another day we have to keep trying, but seeing it as income cannot happen because it is simply irresponsible thinking. some people will enjoy the thrill of making and losing money more than other people it varies it's normal too that we have different preferences on what to do with our free time and with our money no big deal with that the problem is when our habits starts to interfere with living a good life and when we start to hurt others |
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Eu tenho muito problema com fuso horário
sempre que tenho que bater horários para uma reunião com alguém que está em outro país (ou mesmo em outros lugares do Brasil que tem uma hora a mais ou a menos) acabo me enrolando todo
já pensaram que o tempo da blockchain é seu próprio fuso horário?
O BTC, além de delimitação de número de cidadãos, entre outras coisas que poderiam classificá-lo como uma soberania (Balaji desenvolve um tanto essa ideia) também tem seu próprio tempo
não funciona muito bem para marcar reuniões mas super funciona para countdowns!
pensei nisso ontem e achei divertido.
bom halvingveillon para todo mundo! nos vemos do outro lado dos blocos.
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E no caso de leis que incluem um desvio moral muito forte, mesmo assim acha que deveríamos obedecê-las?
A escravidão por exemplo já foi lei
Essa é uma discussão interessantíssima que acho que a gente tem até pouco por aqui.
Se a sociedade evoluiu, por que as leis também não poderiam ter evoluído ? Você tem que se ater ao tempo e espaço. Vou te dar um exemplo bizarro sobre costumes. Você sabia que no começo do século XX, era comum as grandes lojas que vendiam sapatos, nos EUA e Europa, terem um aparelho de raio x ? Ele era utilizado para ver se o sapato servia direito no pé do cliente.  Mas o aspecto é, o que leva a evolução da lei? Você pode dizer que é a discussão dos juristas e evolução dos debates e da literatura. Mas eu acho que é pela transgressão. Fica tão óbvio que não faz sentido, que algumas leis precisam ser revogadas. Mas em muitos dos casos, acho que a transgressão precisa preceder a mudança e nesse caso, necessariamente vem a desobediência. E paredão, tu não falou sobre a escravidão. É anti-ético ao escravo que foi capturado se rebelar contra a ordem? exatamente! De tanto fazerem jailbreak a apple foi lá e incorporou algumas das funcionalidades que surgiram no jailbreak em seu sistema nativo, por ex acho que esse exemplo cabe aqui pq transgredir muitas vezes é fazer um jailbreak do sistema, votar com suas ações e seu dinheiro mais que qualquer outra coisa. |
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Yes it's true. Gamble is not what a gambler will take as a side job because it's not a thing that will provide a constant inflow of money. Many times luck is not always there for us when we are gambling, it comes ones a a while. Money one should gamble with is a type that one can risk then also afford to lose at ones. There are games when we can always think that will provide winning for us but most time we don't win at all
If most of the time we lose, then why do you think that gambling can be considered a side job? In my opinion it is entertainment, and as we know for any entertainment the client has to pay. Whether it is a movie, dinner at a restaurant, skydiving or gambling. Whether you win or not depends on the reward algorithms, but this algorithm will not reward you too often, because the casino always has an advantage over you and someone has to pay for the operating costs of the casino, buying a license, etc. Gambling is far from a side job. I know it's hard to believe but for sure there are profitable gamblers around of course it's the minor part of all the gamblers but some people can make money over the long term only by gambling... though I agree that it's not the best style of side job... |
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one thing that happens quite often specially with desperate gamblers who need to win is that the gambler sees the possibility of winning but ignores the risks of losing
when you bet you have to remember that you're taking a chance that can go both sides
hoping too much for something to go up is never a good idea.
You’re right And I’ve always known that, over expectations leads to disappointment and that’s why it is always advisable to have at the back of your mind while gambling that, there is a win and also a loss and each time you gamble, it’s either you’ll make a win or conceal a loss but whatever the case might be, always gamble with only the amount of money you’re willing to loss. Apart from ignoring the risk of losing as a desperate gambler, there are also possibilities of turning an addict as a desperate gambler because there are always urge to want to gamble at all times at the expense of anything at anytime. that's true too losing control and letting a habit interfere with a healthy life happens quite often, I hear this story a lot with people addicted to p0rn their addicion start to be a problem for them to function healthy, they can't focus anymore... it's said to see and people need inner strenght to get out of these bad situations similar things apply to gamblers too. |
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No one should take any risk that the person can't afford if s/he loses the bet. I think rich people can take more risk as they have more fund but I think poor people take more risk to make more money.
that's correct people with more money can afford to take more risks but the greater too if they end up losing it all or something like that it's important to be alert and avoid taking decisions out of emotions... going slow is good there are times when hen even though you've set out a plan that you wouldn't gamble above what you can loose, you might end up breaking you role and playing above what you've set out for yourself. Regardless of your financial stand, the decision to gamble more depends on your ability to managing your gambling habit. There are individuals that although they have a good amount of money, wouldn't want to spend above 5% of there income on gambling while thier are some poor folks that will go to the extent of spending up to 60% of there Money on gambling. The reverse also happens and what I have come to know is that it's not about once financial strength but more about ones mentality and maturity towards staying strict to what one has determine as a threshold one wouldn't go above while gambling. I find it again and again that when you're dealing with money, specially nowadays that it's so easy to spend, you have to be disciplined and watch your thoughts and actions all the time I can totally see a gambler losing the hard earned money from a month of a lot of good bets in one or two bad takes, or in a stupid trail of losses where he's chasing letting things come to you is much better than chasing. |
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E no caso de leis que incluem um desvio moral muito forte, mesmo assim acha que deveríamos obedecê-las?
A escravidão por exemplo já foi lei
Essa é uma discussão interessantíssima que acho que a gente tem até pouco por aqui.
Se a sociedade evoluiu, por que as leis também não poderiam ter evoluído ? Você tem que se ater ao tempo e espaço. Vou te dar um exemplo bizarro sobre costumes. Você sabia que no começo do século XX, era comum as grandes lojas que vendiam sapatos, nos EUA e Europa, terem um aparelho de raio x ? Ele era utilizado para ver se o sapato servia direito no pé do cliente. hahah essa é ótima compre sapatos e ganhe exposição gratuita à radiação... tem umas leis bizarras mesmo tem uma da antiga Inglaterra que não me lembrava bem então fui pedir ajuda aos universitários, em cena o GPTézio: Uma das leis curiosas da antiga Inglaterra é conhecida como "Red Flag Act" (Lei da Bandeira Vermelha), que foi promulgada em 1865. Essa lei exigia que as primeiras automóveis e carruagens automotoras fossem precedidas por uma pessoa agitando uma bandeira vermelha ou um sinal de aviso ao atravessar as áreas urbanas. O propósito era garantir a segurança das pessoas e dos animais nas ruas, considerando que esses novos veículos motorizados poderiam ser uma novidade perigosa na época. Essa lei foi revogada posteriormente com o avanço da tecnologia automobilística. Imagina se esse tipo de coisa ainda valesse hoje em dia?
Se a sociedade evoluiu, por que as leis também não poderiam ter evoluído ? O aparato burocratico evolui de forma muito mais lenta do que os costumes. Além disso, as vezes pessoas de muito poder e com princípios éticos e morais abaixo da média da sociedade podem impedir as leis de mudarem, os simplesmente interpretar as leis de forma imoral, mas legal. Mas, em todo caso devemos obedecer a lei. E pedir no congresso (Ou nas eleições) para as coisas mudarem. O Snowden fala sobre isso, inclusive já citei algumas vezes aqui no forum que as leis levam de 2 a 3 gerações para alcançar o desenvolvimento tecnológico. |
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~snip~
On the time that you do make yourself getting addicted then this is the moment you would really be having that kind of tough challenge on making yourself that getting out of addiction.
If it was easy in the first place then this is something that anyone could easily do it and gambling business could be not profitable in compared on what are we are seeing now which is really that entirely different. Gambling is really just that for fun, it is really just that there are people who are really that delusional or someone who do really wishing up on something we know that it cant really be that possible because gambling is all matter with luck and not something that you could really be able to make yourself that getting rich because it would really just that matter on how lucky you are
on a particular condition or moment.
It is definitely not an easy thing to do, it actually can be quite a difficult thing to do... If you manage to get out of an addiction, it makes sense if you have a strong sense to keep that out of your area, so that you don't continue with your normal day to day stuff... I've heard that for some there's a "ultimate day", the day you say "enough", I'm going to change for some it works even with hard addictions like cigars/tobbaco I've seen people using mental images too to stop smoking that can probably be applied to gambling I have a friend who had her lungs at risk if she kept smoking so she decided to imagine herself breathing through an air baloon each time she wants to smoke a cigar, this image alone is enough to scary her and make her avoiding to smokes |
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Então vou falar pro Gaspar que ele deve ficar ligado mas que está num limbo, zona cinza...
Esse Gaspar é aquele do filme ? Tem um filme bem famoso que o nome do personagem é Gaspar.  Coincidências. Coincidências por todo lado. É uma longa história. Eu conheci o Gaspar na igreja em que eu frequentava quando criança, ficamos amigos e nos vimos por 2 anos e 1 mês mas depois ficamos sem nos ver por 14 anos... Nos encontramos faz algum tempo novamente e ele me disse que estava praticamente aposentado pois vendeu sua casa e seu carro para comprar BTC em 2017 por menos de 4 mil reais a unidade. Gaspar tem família, é casado e tem filhos, trabalhava no setor petrolífero, agora é degen full time. A vida é muito louca, foi um risco grande que ele correu mas não tão grande quanto parece quando conto assim pq na verdade a esposa dele é uma psicóloga renomada que trabalha bastante (adora atender) e tira 12 a 20 mil reais por mês, as crianças já são adolescentes e Gaspar tem uma cultura forte de trabalho e inteligência, ambas (15 e 18 anos) já trabalham por si mesmas empreendendo em pequenos projetos e não gostam da ideia de depender dos pais. Gaspar me inspira muito, sempre temos conversas interessantíssimas. Já falei de você pra ele até Paredao... ele te achou meio radical em relação aos Austríacos... |
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