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1101  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: URGENTE: NÃO ATUALIZE SEU LEDGER! on: June 01, 2023, 02:22:26 PM
essa informação muda tudo, passphrases não são simples de só "tentar adivinhar"

Porque é que essa informação mudaria tudo? Passa a ser um serviço viável? Ou tornava tudo mais seguro?

seria menos preocupante, só usar passphrase e vc teria uma camada extra de segurança forte

esse mecanismo de extração da seed extrairia as passphares também?
pq as pessoas tem falado pouco sobre isso, e pelo que ouvi a ledger é muito mais limitada no uso de passphrases que a trezor

essa informação muda tudo, passphrases não são simples de só "tentar adivinhar"

Não tenho certeza, mas a passphrase da wallet Trezor não tem como quebra-la. Perdeu a frase, perdeu os valores. Mesmo tendo a seed completa você não consegue recuperar noutra wallet sem a passphrase. Não tenho certeza disso, pois nunca tentei fazê-lo.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

pesquisei e não tem como
mesmo que desse para ver as contas em algum dispositivo (não daria) você precisaria da pasphrase para mover os fundos

esse mecanismo de extração da seed extrairia as passphares também?
pq as pessoas tem falado pouco sobre isso, e pelo que ouvi a ledger é muito mais limitada no uso de passphrases que a trezor

essa informação muda tudo, passphrases não são simples de só "tentar adivinhar"
Mas nem as seeds são, mais fácil chegar o fim do sol do que a hora que você vai adivinhar a minha seed.

O sistema da Ledger é de backup das seeds. Qualquer coisa a mais é por fora (pin ou passphrase adicional).

O uso de "senha" no texto foi um erro de tradução da Portal do Bitcoin. Em nenhum momento eles falam em password/passphrase.

ah sim, acho que escrevi mal a mensagem original

mas já pensou que por mais improvável a chance de abrir uma carteira aleatória, por mais difícil que seja, não é impossivel
acho isso fascinante

a melhor analogia que ouvi é que acertar uma seed aleatória é como vc ir na praia de ipanema, escolher um grão de areia aleatório sem que eu saiba, depois eu ir à praia e escolher o mesmo grão de areia.

1102  Economy / Gambling / Re: Duelbits.com | Casino & Sportsbook | VIP | Instant withdrawals!|ARGENTINA & AVFC on: June 01, 2023, 02:07:53 PM
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well it's not a lot of time anyways
one retweet, or one quote retweet or something like that
will take less than one minute and can be done almost on automatic if you're rolling social media

but I do agree there are better ways to make contests excluding bots

retweet, or quote retweet or something like that very simple to do, but this simple action lead maximize bot participation.
They've to set some rules to exclude bots, so make sure we're participating as a real person.
I personally think that Duelbits should step up with certain requirements when it comes to conducting giveaways on social media platforms, that are a bit harder for bots to meet.

it's a game of cat and mouse, isn't it?
they can put up more verifications on contexts to try to attract bots, or even require KYC

though if you think that the twitter contests main goal is to attract engagement (farm) then the bots aren't such a big deal, unless they start undermine credibility on the company too much
1103  Economy / Gambling / Re: Roobet.com | Crypto’s Fastest Growing Casino 🦘 on: June 01, 2023, 01:55:42 PM
I really like Roobet as a campaign leading an open and friendly strategy. I am very grateful for the generous art contests that this platform holds here. There is a sense of care and attention to the contestants, while the contests were held not once or twice, but they are on an ongoing basis. Roobet has a great subscription campaign, and in the future I would be happy to be a part of it.
I hope that this gambling platform will only develop and increase the audience in the future.
Sincere thanks to the organizers!

I feel the same about roobet and duelbits here in the forum
it's awesome to see they sticking around and investing in the signature campaigns and other marketing actions like the art contests
hope that it helps them too and creates a good environment for all
1104  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: URGENTE: NÃO ATUALIZE SEU LEDGER! on: May 31, 2023, 05:59:16 PM
esse mecanismo de extração da seed extrairia as passphares também?
pq as pessoas tem falado pouco sobre isso, e pelo que ouvi a ledger é muito mais limitada no uso de passphrases que a trezor

essa informação muda tudo, passphrases não são simples de só "tentar adivinhar"
1105  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: May 31, 2023, 05:01:45 PM
85 year old Grandma knows where its at, experience beats enthusiasm.  Most people quit but clearly an 85 year old has the gravitas to know just how long it takes to win.   The slots have changed over the years some, its possible your grandma had benefited from seeing all the various aspects to the games.  The cycle theory to wins etc.   I've mentioned before one of the craftiest players I saw was a bar man who would hop on machines after people quit having put in alot of money but won little.  He no doubt considered it a job bonus, literally he is there for 12 hours a day and is forced to watch the full cycle of win/loss and I think this gives the perspective to win; my theory.

haha haven't thought about that before
do you think casino odds are changing over the decades and starting to get harder? or at least different

well, buying a house is definitely harder now than it was for our grandparents due to inflation and the difference in real wages / buying power.
1106  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Os principios dos Bitcointalkzeiros on: May 31, 2023, 04:35:46 PM
3. Nunca investir em nada em ATH

Eu estava pensando sobre isso.

Não vejo problema de ter investimentos no ATH. Na verdade, isso é até bom.


Outro dia eu vi o Felipe Miranda da Empiricus dizendo que existem apenas 2 botões: comprar e vender.

Não existe manter, manter é igual comprar.

Se voce acha que aquele ativo está caro pq está no ATH, voce deve vender. Essa frase poderia ser traduzida como "sempre venda tudo no ATH".
Não acho isso certo, até pq muitos ativos renovam o ATH todo mês (como o SP500 que fez isso uns 10 anos direto, exceto no ultimo ano).

Se voce tem um ativo hoje e está "mantendo", faça a seguinte reflexão: Se eu tivesse X dinheiro hoje, eu compraria esse ativo? Se for sim, mantenha a compra. Se nao, venda. Só temos 2 botoes.

comentário bem interessante @bitmover
provavelmente tem algum axioma de Zurique sobre essa ideia inclusive
de que se você não compraria um ativo pelo valor em que está agora por parecer muito alto, deveria vendê-lo.
1107  Economy / Gambling / Re: Duelbits.com | Casino & Sportsbook | VIP | Instant withdrawals!|ARGENTINA & AVFC on: May 31, 2023, 04:25:19 PM

I joined bunch of Duelbits contest and trivia on twitter. It’s almost impossible to win due to the bot accounts infesting the comment section to increase their chance of winning. I’d rather focus on casino website promotion than the social media that saturated with bot account.
I won't say impossible but yes the bot accounts have made it hard for us to win in them as there are hundreds of them ready to participate in such contests and giveaways.The chance are high for us when there's some real participation and some requirements which they can't qualify for.But still we can try it to see our luck.

yes, trying won't hurt but when it becomes that big it's usually really really hard to win
then the difference between trying and not trying becomes really small

but of course, nobody never won anything by not trying
Well, I think it's not all about trying, It is more of knowing that you are not wasting your time, for what is essence of trying something over and over and over again, even when it looks like your tries is simply you wasting your time?

I think the team behind the contests should raise up and do something about the bots, to give real people a better chance of winning, else, a time will come when it will be only bots joining the contest, because real people have lost confidence.

well it's not a lot of time anyways
one retweet, or one quote retweet or something like that
will take less than one minute and can be done almost on automatic if you're rolling social media

but I do agree there are better ways to make contests excluding bots
1108  Economy / Gambling / Re: Roobet.com | Crypto’s Fastest Growing Casino 🦘 on: May 31, 2023, 04:14:01 PM
oh, only 2 winners is quite competitive
I remember other contests had at least 2 winners in each category
That's true. In previous contest there are only 2 winners for each category hence it's quite competitive especially if many entries are submitted for the specific category. Only the best will be chosen so it's not really easy to win.

so can't we expect at least one winner in each category?
For each category there can be 1-4 winners depending on the number of submission. Good thing now there's a consolation prize (free spins) for those eligible participants and didn't made it to be on the list of winners.

Anyway, this is the last day of submission so post your artworks now before it's too late.

that's quite cool
I remember other contests didn't have consolation prizes and free spins, good to see it and awesome marketing idea by roobet's team

Do you know if they accept AI generated art on the digital art category?
these days it's always a good idea to specify it
1109  Economy / Gambling / Re: Roobet.com | Crypto’s Fastest Growing Casino 🦘 on: May 30, 2023, 05:30:51 PM
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I just want to confirm if the reward of $5k is per category or that is already the whole reward for this contest?
The $5k prize pool is the combined amount of total prizes for each categories.
I assume that there is a initial $1k total prize for every category  (max 4 winners for every category).
I guess, if there are only 2 submissions, the pool for that category (which is $1k originally) will be lessened (e. g., $500) and then the half will be distributed to other categories. On the other hand, it is also possible that those 2 artists will enjoy the $1k.

Most probably, it's not necessary four winners as it will depend on the quality of the entries, so even if there's a lot of participants if their work is not that good, you can expect 2 winners or less. There's a big competition right now with this art contest, you can expect more good entries at the day of deadline because that's the usual time for the entries to be submitted, and I agree $5k will be the total pool reward for this contest.

oh, only 2 winners is quite competitive
I remember other contests had at least 2 winners in each category

so can't we expect at least one winner in each category?
1110  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: URGENTE: NÃO ATUALIZE SEU LEDGER! on: May 30, 2023, 04:59:06 PM
O maior problema é que eles já deixaram claro que é possível lançar um update de firmware que lê a seed do dispositivo. Basicamente, há um vetor de ataque onde as suas private keys podem ser extraídas do hardware, coisa que nunca deveria ser possível.

Aí que tá... eu sempre tive na cabeça que a seed era impossível de ser extraída devido à limitações físicas do hardware onde nem um update de firmware poderia ser capaz de ter acesso à essa informação.
Então, mesmo que eles voltem atrás agora e digam que não vão mais lançar, a confiança nos produtos da Ledger está permanentemente arruinada para mim.

E para complicar ainda mais a situação... vocês viram essa notícia aqui?
Ledger pode ser obrigada por governos a revelar senha de cold wallet, admite CEO [link]

Mesmo que eu esteja muito longe de ser considerado um ladrão, criminoso ou algo do tipo, dentre todos que eu gostaria de manter minhas chaves longe, o governo está no topo de minha lista.

doidera mesmo
uma coisa curiosa é como a palavra "senha" fica limitada no contexto de hardware wallets
minha primeira reação ao ler a manchete foi pensar, "calma, por senha eles se referem à seed ou ao PIN?"
coisas diferentes
1111  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: May 30, 2023, 04:42:14 PM
Unfortunately those sources are not to be trusted either, while it is very difficult for a news agency to remain impartial and neutral, the truth is that most of them do not even try anymore and everything they report has a very strong bias, and this has caused people to stop trusting them.

Now this is sooner or later going to create a huge problem of trust among the whole society as now we cannot even trust our eyes as everything that we see could be manipulated with the use of AI, a scenario similar to the one depicted on the novel 1984.
Perhaps, that's what triggers some countries to want to regulate the use of AI because of misinformation about the news they want to find. And this makes many developers continue to work hard to improve AI to provide more valid information and not provide wrong information to users. And we as users have to be more careful in using AI, and we also have to have more sources that can provide additional information about the news we are looking for. Before we use AI to predict the results, we must compare the information obtained by AI with the information we get to know whether the information is valid or have to look for additional information.
Personally I have never been a fan when it comes to forbidding a particular technology as people will always find a way around it, but on the case of deepfakes this may be the only solution, even an image which has been edited can still be proven to be false by experts with the right technology.

But I really think we may get to the point in which deepfakes may get so realistic that no one will be able to distinguish them, and this could increase the sense of chaos people feel as they will not know what to believe anymore.

I think this is already happening
for me seems like the way to go with deepfakes is not trying to prove what is real or false but teaching people to have critical thinking (hard, specially in poorer countries) and also use crypto/blockchain as means to verify veracity of information

probably the best ways
1112  Economy / Gambling / Re: Duelbits.com | Casino & Sportsbook | VIP | Instant withdrawals!|ARGENTINA & AVFC on: May 30, 2023, 04:34:14 PM

I joined bunch of Duelbits contest and trivia on twitter. It’s almost impossible to win due to the bot accounts infesting the comment section to increase their chance of winning. I’d rather focus on casino website promotion than the social media that saturated with bot account.
I won't say impossible but yes the bot accounts have made it hard for us to win in them as there are hundreds of them ready to participate in such contests and giveaways.The chance are high for us when there's some real participation and some requirements which they can't qualify for.But still we can try it to see our luck.

yes, trying won't hurt but when it becomes that big it's usually really really hard to win
then the difference between trying and not trying becomes really small

but of course, nobody never won anything by not trying
1113  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Os principios dos Bitcointalkzeiros on: May 30, 2023, 04:20:03 PM
po, os contatos do sul vou ficar devendo @disruptivas
não conheço muitos
mas imagino que deve dar pra encontrar sim

o começo da sua resposta me lembrou o conceito do Taleb (acho que da matemática na real mas me familiarizei mais por ele) de "via negativa"
otimizar é tanto sobre adicionar coisas quanto sobre remover.
 Cheesy
1114  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: PSA: Atualize seu KeePass! Vulnerabilidade descoberta na versão < 2.54 on: May 29, 2023, 02:37:41 PM
Aliás é uma das coisas que sempre fico pensando, é extremamente perigoso deixar senhas em arquivos txt por exemplo, mas se você pegar algum malware com keylogger, dificilmente vai descobrir sua senha se você copiar e colar  Tongue

Claro que ter as passwords em ficheiros TXT não é das melhores estratégias.
Mas, também tudo depende de como se faz o ficheiro. Uma coisa interessante que o Notepad tem é que abre tudo o tipo de ficheiro, mesmo que não seja .txt. Então podes criar um tipo de ficheiro, com a tua própria extensão, para guardar o que quiseres.

só nao façam como eu, encontrei um arquivo criptografado aqui de anos atrás e não lembro a senha, também não anotei em lugar nenhum
Gênio
um sistema tão seguro que nem eu mesmo posso entrar
a boa notícia é que no momento não to precisando de nada que tá lá
mas queria lembrar a senha

nunca duvide de sua própria estupidez

o bitwarden nunca teve vazamentos ou problemas? pesquisei e encontrei que não mas vai saber...
1115  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: May 27, 2023, 02:35:09 PM
In my opinion, as long as there are fixed matches in sports, no matter how cool the AI is, it, like any good analyst, will make mistakes for reasons beyond its control. AI can achieve great results in forecasting, but only if the human factor will be excluded from the sport, for example soccer will be played by robots. But it seems to me that it won't be as interesting as a match with real players. But I am interested to see the statistics of AI predictions.

Fixed games make up a tiny fraction of the total number of games and do not greatly affect AI results. In addition, all results are compared with each other (for example, with expert forecasts), so everyone suffers from such fluctuations to the same extent.
As for errors, when we talk about random events, this is a very vague concept. For example, AI predicts that a team will draw with a 60% chance, win with a 20% chance, and lose with a 20% chance. What should be the result for you to say that the prediction was correct? Valuation is only possible over a long distance, and as far as I know, quote providers are already approaching an accuracy of 1%.

that reminds me of the wisdom of the masses, that averaging in lots of predictions usually give a better result (on average lol) than individual predictions

I wonder if there's people studying that using the existing prediction markets and sports betting platforms at this moment.
have you heard of something like that?
1116  Economy / Gambling / Re: Roobet.com | Crypto’s Fastest Growing Casino 🦘 on: May 27, 2023, 02:28:23 PM
well , Enough for KYC  Grin

what about those skilled/artist members here ? have you already prepared for the near to end contest ?

Roobet.com l Art Contest "Mr. Roo Rocks the Cosmos ending this May 31st  if not then better do your things before missing one of the highest paying contest in crypto forum now  Wink

Good luck to all participants , this is the generosity of Roobet.com for everyone not only Gamblers but artist as well .
We have to focus on this as four more days before the deadline, we have to move on with this KYC thing and focus on what matters the most.
I only saw two entries so far and they are both good, as we are nearing the deadline expect to see more entries.
I just want to confirm if the reward of $5k is per category or that is already the whole reward for this contest?

the KYC discussion will keep coming and going nonetheless

but great reminder, curious to see only 2 entries so far
but I suppose the reserved posts will be updated last minute, don't you think the same?

1117  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Realidade vs Notícia: quando a news derruba mais o preço do que a venda. on: May 26, 2023, 12:43:21 PM
Essa semana tivemos mais um exemplo surpreendente dos fenomenos '' não é real, mas afeta tudo''.

Uma imagem feita por inteligencia artificial viralizou nas redes sociais - sendo compartilhada por um perfil verificado do twitter - a conta tinha o nome de '' Bloomberg Feed''. A imagem mostrava uma grande explosão ao lado do Pentágono.

A imagem falsa da explosão no Pentágono repercutiu na mídia internacional e foi disseminada na Rússia por um potal estatal com mais de 3 milhões de seguidores. No breve momento de viralização, houve uma pequena queda do S&P500.

surreal né?
mostra na prática que a era da ideia chegou
uma ideia bem construída pode modificar o mundo.

Se a pessoa fez isso de forma premeditada e entrou com um short alavancado na S&P pode ter ganhado bastante com esse abalo temporário de realidade.
1118  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: URGENTE: Brasil vai tributar offshores e trustes? on: May 26, 2023, 12:30:54 PM

Já ouviu falar de um "troço" chamado "segurança jurídica" ?


Concordo que a segurança jurídica trás mais segurança pro investidor.  Contudo se a chegada da regulamentação chega duma forma que já mata o setor, melhor nem ter.

Por exemplo, a atual medida provisória de investimentos internacionais é totalmente descabida,  e se isso for estendido as criptomoedas será uma loucura. Sonegação irá virar a regra, o que só trás insegurança

A melhor segurança jurídica é aquela legislação q não muda, previsível

Falar de segurança jurídica no Brasil é um pouco difícil, não?
O lema aqui é justamente a instabilidade jurídica.

Num país que pode mudar um monte com uma canetada não me surpreende uma fala de qualquer presidente colocar o valor da moeda em montanha-russa...
1119  Local / Criptomoedas Alternativas / Re: Axie infinity - O maior blockchain game na rede da ethereum on: May 26, 2023, 12:16:33 PM
Lançaram o Mavis market essa semana, um marketplace de NFTs construído na Ronin, chain criada pelo time da axie (SKY Mavis)

Para quem quiser ler mais:
https://axiebr.substack.com/p/introducing-mavis-market

o site:
https://marketplace.skymavis.com/

achei interessante, por enquanto tem só duas coleções

1120  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Conmebol Libertadores 2023 - Prediction and Discussion Thread on: May 26, 2023, 12:06:51 PM
good to remember that Santos was the first home for many bigger players that ended up in the official Brazilian team, like Robinho and some others that I'm probably forgetting about

Sorry guys, i miss the thread i was busy.

wow
interesting to know that
thanks for the information @darxiaomi
makes me think of what are the most famous Brazilian teams

maybe Palmeiras and Sao Paulo?
not sure

Well i know Corinthians its the most followed one in term of number of fans, but for us a lot of teams from Brazil are the "biggers".

Flamengo, Fluminense, Cruzeiro, Sao Paulo, Corinthians, Palmeiras, Inter, Gremio. Santos (few fans but a big team in term of trophies and football). Also Vasco da gama and i dont know if im missed anyone.



About betting in this round.... im not betting at all because in group fase theteams develop its strange, im gonna bet when the matches are gonna be more decissive like in 5 and 6 round.

cool to hear that
thanks for sharing

no problem about the time
I also forgot this thread and got back now
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