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2381  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: February 06, 2019, 06:18:58 AM
In particular, in my view:
 <snip>
Just wanted to thank you for giving some guidance as far as feedback-giving goes.  What I get from your input is that trust feedback really should be about trust, but we've all got different standards on that.  TECSHARE wants trust to be solely about documented trades and such, whereas I tend to not trust [people for issues not related to a specific trade]
IMO.....

You should be able to articulate why it is dangerous to trade with someone you are giving negative trust to. The word "dangerous" would mean this person will attempt to steal money/property they are not entitled to in an average sized trade OR this person has tried to do this in the past (successfully or otherwise).

So if you observe someone doing x, and you leave a negative rating because they did "x", you should be able to explain why "x" means someone is likely to attempt to steal money/property in the future ("x" could be a scam attempt, in which case, it would be pretty self- explanatory).

Someone engaging in a long con might successfully complete some trades before trying to steal from others, so successful trades should not automatically mean negative trust is wrong. However many successful trades should work in a person's favor if they have not tried to scam in the past.
2382  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: February 06, 2019, 05:57:09 AM
[...]
A contribution from my side would be a bunch of merits, as per the discussion in this thread merit is one of the most important part to vote for the DT and change it. I have some smerits to award for all the trust abuse supportive here.

You need 10 earned merits to vote right?

I can provide you with that to be eligible for voting. [...]

Is stingers still a merit source?

Not anymore. That's clear abuse, awarding merit for political reasons rather than any idea of quality. Only because he was a source, I effectively undid those merit sends. If he had not been a merit source, I still would've blacklisted anyone who got into DT1 through that type of shenanigans.

I can't say I disagree with this decision, however I think this highlights a problem with the current DT system, and to a lesser extent, the merit system.

I reviewed the posts he gave merit to on Feb 5, and I would say a good 40% of the posts reasonably had a fairly high amount of effort put into them, another 40% were good enough to receive merit if someone was being aggressive in giving away merit, and two or three were not reasonably deserving of merit (unless you agreed with what they were saying). This is a problem because the only reason he was caught was because he was openly trying to meddle with the trust system voting. If he had not made this public statement, no one would have any idea what he was doing, and all that merit would be sent for political reasons.

On the merit system, I have seen few controversial posts with large amounts of effort put into them that have merit, especially from merit sources. Conversely, I have seen many reasonably low-effort posts that make a "popular" statement with merit from multiple people.
2383  Economy / Reputation / Re: VIP Member hacked? on: February 06, 2019, 05:27:13 AM
I would point out there doesn’t appear to be any motive in hacking the account as to my knowledge he hasn’t even tried to conduct any business. Putting a lot of effort into falsely claiming you are the owner of an account isn’t logical to me in this case.
If it is illogical for a user to do A for R and that is your proof of ¬R then I vehemently disagree.

That is called an exploitable vulnerability. A flaw in reasoning. Illogical ≠ Impossible.
No, the hacking of the account being illogical does not mean it is impossible, obviously. But it is evidence (circumstantial) that there is no hack. It should be weighed with other available evidence.

I'd say that there's a 25% chance of him being the original BTC_Bear.
I don’t think a 75% chance is appropriate for a negative rating.
Well, that's obviously a matter of judgement or opinion.
I personally consider someone I'm only 25% certain being the person in e.g. the passport he's showing, not trustworthy.
Not trustworthy for me is reason enough for a negative trust rating.
I think you are using the wrong standard.

If a stranger asks you to trade (when you are known to engage in similar trades), you will see this person as not trustworthy, and as such will put yourself in a position in which he is in possession of money that belongs to you. It would not be appropriate to give this person a negative rating.

BadBear had a standard that he wanted to be 100% sure, without any someone was a scammer before leaving a negative rating (which from what I could tell, was more strict than beyond a reasonable doubt), and Tomatocage worked to ensure his ratings were fair and accurate, and I believe he has a very high standard for tagging a scammer (although probably not as high as BadBear).

I don't have an issue with a "tag first ask questions later" trust policy, so to prevent someone from quickly scamming multiple people, and continuing doing so after being called out as a scammer, however once questions are asked, a high standard should be used. I don't think "75% certain" is a high enough standard, especially considering the lack of motive, and the ~month delay in getting "caught", during which time a hacker would likely have tried to either scam or build up reputation, neither of which happened.
2384  Economy / Reputation / Re: ▄▀▄ REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT ▄▀▄▀▄▀▄ LIST UPDATED 2/5/19 ▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄π on: February 06, 2019, 05:11:11 AM
Check out the latest trust rating Lauda has left me.



The reference thread takes you to a complaint from minifrij where he was upset that I pointed out he removes/replaces feedback when he doesn't get his way.  Today I also pointed out that Lauda has engaged in this same behavior against user rmcdermott927 on this forum.  Anybody know how me pointing out that minifrij is attempting to bully me by misusing the trust network equates to me being a scammer?  How does this fit into a reasonable DefaultTrust network rating? 
It is no secret that Lauda routinely gives negative ratings in order to silence criticism of him and his associates.
2385  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: February 05, 2019, 06:41:42 PM
Yes, they do that and there is a very clear case of trust abuse happening with me. I am not engaged in any shady active here, even I don't earn form signatures by posting here and there is nothing scammy I have done which should state Warning: Trade with extreme caution!.

This is how they try to mob anyone here who tries to speak in some truth about there manipulative works. This is a clear case of lowering the value of once reputed account, without any prove of it being compressed.

VIP account JusticeForYou has been blocked today.

After investigation, I consider the evidence to be most strongly consistent with the hypothesis that his email account was hacked and then used to take his forum account.

He has the same email address as before, but it's @gmx.com, and we all know how secure that is. The forum account was first newly-accessed via email-reset rather than by password. IP evidence is also generally suggestive of it not being the same person. I also find his general behavior to be suspicious.

I asked him some challenge questions related to data I have and the real BTC_Bear should know, but his answers were only half-correct, and are more consistent with having access to a bunch of emails going back to at least 2011 than having actually lived it.

However, while he definitely wouldn't have enough evidence to recover the account if he didn't already have access to it, I have enough doubt that I'm not willing to lock the account at this time. There are plausible explanations for the above evidence against him, and if he is a hacker, he's done an unusually large amount of research, at least. I'd say that there's a 25% chance of him being the original BTC_Bear.

I don't have alternative contact info for BTC_Bear or I'd try contacting him. He was very active on #bitcoin-otc IIRC; maybe someone can try asking nanotube or the other #bitcoin-otc regulars.

BTW, I'd like to take this opportunity to recognize & thank the original BTC_Bear (whether or not he is the current account owner), who on several occasions went to considerable effort to contribute to the forum in the early days.
You should work on your reading comprehension.
2386  Economy / Reputation / Re: VIP Member hacked? on: February 05, 2019, 06:39:23 PM
I'd say that there's a 25% chance of him being the original BTC_Bear.
Nice, thanks for your research and input on this.  I'm betting he's not the original owner of the account just on language alone, and I'm hoping he'll just come clean now if that's true.  He's already tagged with the possibility of the account being locked still on the table, so he might as well be honest at this point.
I don’t think a 75% chance is appropriate for a negative rating.

I would point out there doesn’t appear to be any motive in hacking the account as to my knowledge he hasn’t even tried to conduct any business. Putting a lot of effort into falsely claiming you are the owner of an account isn’t logical to me in this case.

I think the above is especially important because:
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BTW, I'd like to take this opportunity to recognize & thank the original BTC_Bear (whether or not he is the current account owner), who on several occasions went to considerable effort to contribute to the forum in the early days.
2387  Economy / Reputation / Re: Should projects that knowingly employ proven untrustworthy individuals be viewed on: February 05, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
Yes, I'm strongly inclined to tag anyone who knowingly hires frauds/scammers - although each case would have to be reviewed independently. e.g. a BH accepting a translator which was already tagged as fraudulent.
By your logic, anyone employing a known extortionist should be seen as untrustworthy.

I will keep this in mind...
2388  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Elizabeth Warren Doesn't Understand Wealth Taxes on: February 04, 2019, 05:54:28 PM
The wealth tax is actually unconstitutional. The 16th amendment says
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The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration
The 10th amendment says:
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

As such, since the constitution only allows congress to tax incomes, and not assets, a wealth tax is unconstitutional.

The estate tax is constitutional because it is not actually taxing assets directly, but the transfer of assets from the deceased to their estate.
2389  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Elizabeth Warren Doesn't Understand Wealth Taxes on: February 04, 2019, 04:11:03 PM
She doesn’t understand economics either.
2390  Other / Meta / Re: Discussion about subjective behaviors that may result in a red tag. on: February 04, 2019, 01:28:14 PM
-snip-
I tag for everything that you've said no to (and will obviously continue to do so), especially ANN bumping services.

This kind of quality debate is why everyone has so much faith in your judgement.
It is effectively impossible to get someone like Lauda removed from DT now (despite widespread agreement that he should not be on it), so he will not care what others think of his ratings. He will hand out as many ratings as he can without regard for their legitimacy, even going as far as handing out ratings for those who expose his criminal activity.

No discussion is necessary for lauda.
2391  Economy / Reputation / Re: VIP Member hacked? on: February 04, 2019, 03:15:44 AM
beside all the other opinions it only makes sense that someone who ever donated 50BTC and as any early adopter, should not give a fudge about any DT bullshit on this forum, but this is the opposite of what JFY is doing, before even looking at this topic, i saw him discuss the new DT changes with a DT member,
and i thought to myself " what the fuck is he wasting his time on ? why ain't he cruising in his lambo or 1m$ yacht ?"

but anyhow, the current owner regardless of  (his true identity) is constructive and nice to say the least.

The original owner likely purchased bitcoin at $2/coin, and potentially a lot. However you assume he didn’t sell at $200.

If he bought at $20 and sold at $200, he would have done 5x as good as someone who bought at $1k and sold at $20k later that year.
2392  Economy / Reputation / Re: VIP Member hacked? on: February 04, 2019, 02:52:10 AM
I'm not sure if this was a "legit" sale back in December 2017, but someone offered 2 VIP accounts with original e-mail. 1 was "sold", but the link to the transaction is expired. So I can see the concern with the JFY account. Personally, I'm undecided in this case. However, INTP personality types are usually undecided.  Roll Eyes

Link to sale thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2563257.0
If that thread was real, someone paid $1,000 for a VIP based on the $20k price at the time. I can’t imagine earning that much with an account, even over a year.

Edit: That thread was created Dec 11 2017, and last edited a week later saying one was sold. However the account “woke up” in August, 6 months earlier. Unless the password was reset within a week of Dec 11, 2017 this thread was not selling btc_bear.
2393  Other / Meta / Re: Discussion about subjective behaviors that may result in a red tag. on: February 04, 2019, 12:20:14 AM
You should be able to explain why this is true:

Quote from: theymos
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
2394  Economy / Reputation / Re: VIP Member hacked? on: February 03, 2019, 09:23:02 PM
Yea it’s too bad I haven’t dealt in accounts in many years.
And I'm willing to believe you, because I trust you, as you might recall.
But from your professional experience, is something like the above story at least plausible?
Is it possible? Sure, but I don't think that is what happened.

Buying accounts is very risky, not only because of the risk of negative trust from the SJW forum police, but also from fake claims of the account being hacked, fake hidden loans, so I don't think it would be a profitable business to buy up accounts to resell anymore. I would suspect someone buying up accounts would quickly find themselves with many accounts that are worthless, or otherwise cannot sell, of course after paying for them.

It would make more sense to me that the majority of account sellers farm them either themselves or with the help of a group of close business associates that they can trust (or is an individual who is in need of money and is willing to part ways with their account).

Not long after I exited the account business (or maybe it was just before I exited it, I don't remember), someone asked me to post from some of their accounts for a month in exchange for a fee. I was told to avoid any threads involving a dispute between groups, and threads in meta (IIRC), so it is known to avoid those types of threads, by at least that person.

Similar to your "Nigerian prince" scenario, there is not any evidence this is the case. There is also the capitalism strangeness in his posts, and account selling is a very low skill task, and I can't really see an account broker/seller picking up on this.


If someone wants to sell me bitcoin who has no trade history and I don't know, and asks that I send money to him first, I would obviously not trust him, but I would respond by saying that he can either agree to use a mutually agreed upon escrow, or he can send me the bitcoin first -- what I would not do is respond with giving negative trust (if he later shows signs he was trying to scam me, that might change).

Similarly, I don't have any particular reason to trust btc_bear and would certainly not send him money first in a trade. However that is not to say that he is going to try to trade with me with the intention of trying to scam me.
2395  Economy / Reputation / Re: VIP Member hacked? on: February 03, 2019, 08:32:02 PM
I would point out that if you are going to accuse someone of something, the burden is on you to prove that you are correct. The burden is not on the person to prove you are wrong
Is that so? Hypocrite scammers everywhere.

Jesus, I completely forgot about that thread.  QS also made the accusation that we're alt accounts--based entirely on speculation, of course, because he never could or would provide the evidence that I was practically begging for.  I'd be interested to hear QS's response to his little bit of hypocrisy of the above quote that I've bolded.  Somehow I doubt he'll respond to it directly.

I believe I said at the time the evidence I had that caused me to believe you are lauda was circumstantial and I have since apologized for saying that you are an alt of an extortionist criminal.

I was told by a reliable source who wished to remain unnamed that lauda has a pill addiction. This person knows because he was told by people who are in a position to know and are to have said they have direct knowledge (IIRC)
2396  Economy / Reputation / Re: VIP Member hacked? on: February 03, 2019, 08:26:55 PM
This whole situation smells fishy to me.  If JFY was bought or hacked, I'm curious as to whether whoever is in control of it now is someone we know.
Just let me speculate / create a conspiracy theory here:
A professional account trader was offered a VIP account.
Knowing that it's not really something you can sell (VIP accounts are most likely to be scrutinized), he bought it at a discount.
Hoping he could somehow make it valuable by establishing a better reputation with some tweaking to the personality, he tried to create a few posts that would go "under the radar", while leaving the impression of an "old one" woken up.

Somehow, being entangled in all the meta-infighting as a professional account seller, he fucked up at some point and couldn't resist the urge to comment on the DT drama with his new VIP-account.
That was when it back-fired and turned into a lost investment for him.

I'm not saying I have someone specific in mind, but we all know just who it could have been.
My gut feeling is that there's maybe a 10-20% likelihood of my "story" being true, no more.


Yea it’s too bad I haven’t dealt in accounts in many years.

Your post only highlights that he has negative trust because of his stance on the trust system.
2397  Economy / Reputation / Re: Former Staff member Lauda has a pill addiction - *not disputed by lauda* on: February 03, 2019, 07:57:22 PM
I want to point out that Lauda has still not denied this claim and has given evasive answers to questions about this.
2398  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We should have known about Ralph Northam's yearbooks long ago on: February 03, 2019, 07:52:18 PM
Its a major strawman.  Not one person ever defended the death threats made on Covington kids. You only know about deaths threats from some fringe elements and act like its the media and mainstream left that made them.
Actually many liberals, including some in the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party were calling for violence against these kids.
2399  Economy / Reputation / Re: VIP Member hacked? on: February 03, 2019, 07:46:30 PM
I would point out that if you are going to accuse someone of something, the burden is on you to prove that you are correct. The burden is not on the person to prove you are wrong

As it stands now, it doesn’t look like there is any evidence beyond speculation that he is hacked.
2400  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Should the UK return the Venezuelan gold? on: February 03, 2019, 08:11:50 AM
The US doesn't give two ducks about any democracy; they care about the Oil and the Russian/Chinese investments in the country. Roll Eyes

Yeah thats the exact reason. Its all about Russian/Chinese
Issue. Worldwide politics already divided into two sides. Some Countries having friendship with US and others with Russia/China. In every single issues there always two sides debate.
Both the Russian and Chinese governments are enemies of the US and the Western world. These governments are hoping to use the money invested in the area to exert influence in the region.

The human rights violations by the current Venezuela government (and military) are very real and the government should not be able to stay in power because of these violations.
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