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1681  Other / Meta / Re: @theymos is it true that you forced OG to remove Laudas tagg ? on: May 08, 2019, 08:49:15 PM
I pressured several people to remove inappropriate, unconstructive ratings amongst each other.
So are you finally admitting you moderate trust ratings instead of trying to pretend you don't while working privately behind closed doors to manipulate and pressure people using your authority here to achieve the outcome which serves you personally by making administration simpler for you rather than being fair and equitable? It is almost like you are ignoring the real causes of these problems and they have happened before... No matter, there is no need for objective standards, you are Theymos, you ARE the law. Go anarchy.
I don’t think any kind of standards could be enforced if anarchy was implemented in the trust system. If anything, the current implementation of the trust system is very close to anarchy, with very few exceptions, and this is not going very well.
1682  Other / Meta / Re: Cryptios on: May 08, 2019, 05:11:32 PM
I came across something today, and I'd like to get further clarification on a couple of things.

1) Scope of the service Cryptios is offering to the forum. I was under the impression it was solely for account recoveries.
2) Forum policy regarding Locking accounts suspected to have been hacked, sold or otherwise changed hands.

I'm concerned about action being taken without the account recovery process being started by anyone claiming ownership of the account. I've quoted the post below, I can understand the reasoning behind taking action; if forum policies have changed. Currently though this seems to be an overreach, and has the potential to lock peoples accounts unnecessarily. I don't think an account should be locked without the recovery process being started.

Well spotted! It appears that this account has indeed changed hands as the email address was changed on July 22, 2017, alongside with posting and IP patterns. I've now locked it! In the meantime, DT members can go ahead and paint it red until (and if) we determine the real owner.

Thank you for bringing this up!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5140656.0

I would suggest that theymos review the above thread and manage expectations as to when actions should be taken, and when/what information should be disclosed publicly. ETA/ (and when information should be accessed)
1683  Economy / Reputation / Re: This guy is asking for merit which should be earned and not asked. on: May 08, 2019, 04:55:25 PM
Well spotted! It appears that this account has indeed changed hands as the email address was changed on July 22, 2017, alongside with posting and IP patterns. I've now locked it!
May I ask why? Account sales are not against the rules:
account sales are discouraged.
Is this a new policy?

Do we know for sure that it was sold? I will unlock it if he will be able to prove that it wasn't hacked by going through the recovery process, however, my "hacked" radar is off the charts Smiley
In the past, theymos has had a fairly high threshold to lock an account out from the person using it.

I am not 100% sure what the standard is however I suspect someone would need to show a basic evidence they are the owner and at least a statement from the person their account was hacked (so they would be lying if they sold it).

IP patterns also change for various reasons (such as traveling), but devices remain more consistent so I hope IPs aren’t the only thing you guys look at.
1684  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: May 08, 2019, 03:00:40 AM
Binance was hacked multiple times last year, loosing a billion dollars plus and used reserves to cover the losses.

Wait, what? Source? Or are you talking about a different exchange?

Binance was hacked multiple times last year, loosing a billion dollars plus and used reserves to cover the losses.

I don't know this, source?

Binance was hacked multiple times last year, loosing a billion dollars plus and used reserves to cover the losses.

Binance was never hacked buddy or they didn't say it Wink

Binance was hacked multiple times last year, loosing a billion dollars plus and used reserves to cover the losses.
Link please.

https://binance.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360028031711

So far it doesn't seem that Binance themselves got hacked, but that they were simply unable to save less cautious users from themselves.
In regards to the billion dollar loss incurred by binance, I am having trouble finding a link to support this. iIRC it was from a hack in late 2017 or early 2018, and it may have been another exchange. I will keep looking.

In regards to the hack today in the amount of 7k btc, the available facts make it appear API and 2FA keys were stolen from their customers, although it may have been the hacker somehow tricking binance into creating new keys for each customer whose account was withdrawn from.
1685  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Facebook bans Alex Jones and others on: May 07, 2019, 07:17:30 PM
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All that deplatforming has nothing to do with they claimed reasons. If it did, they would be able to be transparent about it and show which posts violated which guidelines/ToS.

Wouldn't such a course of action pretty much have to be coming from the very top and be a company policy?

Otherwise a company would be quite to flag cases where the claimed reasons didn't add up with the facts and the guidelines/ToS.
The banning and suspending accounts (and removing of posts) appears to be authorized by fairly low level employees at both Facebook and Twitter. It is probably at least every week that a post is removed or a person is suspended under controversial circumstances, and when asked for comment by a major news organization the company says the action was done in error and reverses the decision. In 2017, a low level Twitter employee banned Trump's twitter account until it was reversed 17 minutes later on his last day of work. It doesn't appear that either company has very strong internal controls in terms of making sure ban/removal actions are done in accordance with company policy.
1686  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Historical Coinmarketcap: ranking of all cryptos at any time from the past on: May 07, 2019, 07:03:38 PM
This page should serve as a warning to not “invest” in the low level alts as most of the alts from 2013 and mid 2014 aren’t even in existence anymore, to my knowledge.
Yes, the vast majority of altcoins will die and become almost worthless, at the latest when the developers will run out of money to continue the project or when they notice that their promise and business model is not possible to realize.
It's very impressive that so many projects from 2013 / 2014 failed when the intention of a project wasn't to collect money how it's nowadays. That's important to consider how 99% of all projects launched in the ICO hype will end...
Will be funny to see coinmarketcap in 2 or 3 years which coins will disappear.

Most of the ERC-20 (and similar) "coins" resemble something closer to a private company raising money via Venture Capital than a cryptocurrency (this is actually why I have a lot of faith in Etherum and similar ). If you are running a VC fund (that invests in very early stage companies), having 95% of the companies you invest in fail is considered a success. I suspect that many "investors" in these tokens do not fully understand these types of risks.
1687  Economy / Reputation / Re: Bounty cheaters using reputed members accounts to register for bounty campaign on: May 07, 2019, 01:40:32 PM
LOL.  That would be fantastic if it worked.  It'd be like throwing a shit-pie in a scammy bounty hunter's face.

lets set a ETH and BTC address and everytime we spot one of these lets swap it out - save up and have a crypto meetup on the bounty hunters work!
That sounds a lot like stealing...

You mean like the pajeets are stealing identities to get bigger payouts? Thought that behaviour was ok with you?
I never said I approve of people impersonating others to get a bounty payout. But if someone is advertising for a company and you claim payment that you did nothing of value for, that is very wrong.

The proper course of action would be to notify the manager or the company/project directly.
1688  Economy / Reputation / Re: Bounty cheaters using reputed members accounts to register for bounty campaign on: May 07, 2019, 01:34:31 PM
LOL.  That would be fantastic if it worked.  It'd be like throwing a shit-pie in a scammy bounty hunter's face.

lets set a ETH and BTC address and everytime we spot one of these lets swap it out - save up and have a crypto meetup on the bounty hunters work!
That sounds a lot like stealing...
1689  Economy / Reputation / Re: Bounty cheaters using reputed members accounts to register for bounty campaign on: May 07, 2019, 12:18:48 PM
How does this happen? I never registered for this bounty campaign and now my account is listed on the spreadsheet. There may be others. You may want to see if your account appears as registered for this campaign. This really pisses me off. I don't think my account was hacked though.
This has been happening for a very long time, and has nothing to do with your account. It could easily be prevented, for instance by setting up Google Docs to scrape the addy from the Location field in your profile. I've been playing around with that a while back, but didn't get it working exactly how I wanted.

There's also no need at all to post a Bitcointalk username if the bounty has nothing to do with this forum. They could just as well omit the username and only let them only spam their Telegram.

This mostly happens with bounties who managers do not emphasize proof of authentication
"Proof of authentication" is some sort of legalized bumping spam. It goes directly against the forum rules:
1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]
But without this bumping spam, bounty threads quickly disappear from the first page and don't get the participants they want.
There's absolutely no need to spam the same address in many different threads, that's what a profile page is for. It's very easy to scrape that and stop all account-abuse. But that requires a bounty manager who cares, which won't happen as long as they earn more from spamming more.

I'm just hoping this person doesn't use the same token address and/or telegram address and register for a signature campaign and start posting bullshit. I don't want my account linked to some bounty cheater's account. I wonder why they picked little old me? I wonder if I should actually be flattered.  Cheesy
Don't flatter yourself, it's either a bot or an idiot Tongue
Proof of authentication posts are allowed if the participants are documenting their work so long as the work is not trivial.

Campaign managers can also have participants give proof of authentication via PMs.
1690  Economy / Reputation / Re: Bounty cheaters using reputed members accounts to register for bounty campaign on: May 07, 2019, 04:47:42 AM
I'm just hoping this person doesn't use the same token address and/or telegram address and register for a signature campaign and start posting bullshit. I don't want my account linked to some bounty cheater's account. I wonder why they picked little old me? I wonder if I should actually be flattered.  Cheesy
This is one good reason to not rely on campaign spreadsheets when trying to link multiple accounts together.

In your example, a scammer is most likely entering your BitcoinTalk handle, and their TG handle and their ETah address to the google doc form. However a bounty manager could also change either the ETH address, TG or BitcoinTalk handle (intentionally or otherwise) that makes it appear two accounts are connected when this may not be the case.

If you're bored, try asking the bounty manager to change the address to one you control  Tongue
I wouldn’t do this. That sounds a lot like scamming to me. I might let the bounty manager know you are not participating in the campaign or that you are being impersonated.
1691  Economy / Reputation / Re: calling out Thule on: May 07, 2019, 04:01:21 AM
I do think he has a case for libel.

Thats absolute bullshit. Libel against who? You can't libel somebody if you don't know who you're libeling. One anonymous accounts words towards another has never been grounds for libel.


libel against Thule. Both TMAN and Thule are pseudo-anon. The negative rating TMAN is damaging to Thule’s reputation in a self explanatory way. The negative rating in itself is saying that Thule is a scammer (or that TMAN strongly believes Thule to be a scammer). I don’t think there is evidence that Thule is a scammer and I don’t think the “strongly believe” clause is sufficient to protect TMAN. Thule has lost income from signature advertising as I understand he unsuccessfully attempted to join at least one campaign. I don’t think he could easily argue damages above potential signature earnings. This would cap any judgment at perhaps a few thousand dollars max.

There are a number of defenses TMAN could argue to lower/eliminate his liability, such as his rating only played a small incremental impact on Thules reputation (a court may find that everyone who left him a negative is jointly and severally liable), that Thule only discusses one type of topic and is unappealing to advertisers, is unappealing to advertisers for another reason, or that Thule is a (limited purpose) public figure as defined by libel law changing the threshold for libel.

It is my understanding that TMAN has a decent amount of money and it is my opinion that TMAN is aware of the risks and has decided to continue libeling Thule understanding the risks.
1692  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Facebook bans Alex Jones and others on: May 07, 2019, 02:21:43 AM
I don’t like saying this, but the only good solution is moderate amounts of regulation for the tech social media companies.

Devin Nunes is trying to use the court system to strip section 230 of the communication decency act protections from tech companies who have very clear biases against one group of people with mainstream ideas. If this works, tech companies will be forced to lose their left bias.
1693  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: working with a large institutional seller will satoshi and send 4 coins first on: May 07, 2019, 02:05:23 AM
they have up to 250k coins[...]

. this is an institutional seller that pools miners coins
Just to let you know, the miners collectively mine 250k coins roughly every 4.5 months, and most of them need to fairly quickly sell coins they mine to pay bills such as electricity.

I have seen offers to use a “lawyer” to facilitate very large transactions fairly frequently as of recent. I’m not 100% sure they are scams, but I think they probably mostly are, or at least have the potential to be. I think lawyers can generally be trusted when a paper trail is involved but when crypto is involved, paper trail can be faked and I don’t think the bar nor the courts can sufficiently resolve potential disputes regarding crypto transactions.
1694  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Historical Coinmarketcap: ranking of all cryptos at any time from the past on: May 07, 2019, 01:57:56 AM
This page should serve as a warning to not “invest” in the low level alts as most of the alts from 2013 and mid 2014 aren’t even in existence anymore, to my knowledge.

Unless the altcoin you are investing in is implementing some new technology that is an improvement on what existing coins offer, it is probably best to stay away.
1695  Economy / Reputation / Re: calling out Thule on: May 07, 2019, 01:44:14 AM
He PM’ed me a few days ago asking me to confirm if your country of residence was one of two countries you lived in — he said he found someone to sell your dox and was trying to arrange escrow. I asked him what he was going to do with the information and he responded that he planned on filling a lawsuit (presumably for libel) against you. I told him I was away from my computer and would get back to him. I forgot about his request and he messaged me to follow up, I responded that if he gave me what he received I could confirm if it is correct — I haven’t received a response.

I do think he has a case for libel. Although the amount of damages he would potentially get will not make filing such a lawsuit worth his while.
1696  Economy / Reputation / Re: Announcement @Lauda @ThePharacist @actmyname @Timelord2067 @suchmoon on: May 07, 2019, 01:30:37 AM
Just to clear everything up, I gave Thule my IP, my full name, my location, my ICQ number - everything he asked.  He threw around a lot of imaginary lawyer info, but in the end...

He did nothing - his word is worth nothing.

Now he is trying it again - LOL

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139852.msg50919134#msg50919134

I think he is bluffing in regards to taking legal action, but that doesn’t mean he is in the wrong. I think he is just trying to defend his reputation, which I don’t think is an unreasonable thing to do.

Also it is common for a lawyer to threaten to file a lawsuit they don’t ever file.
1697  Other / Meta / Re: @theymos is it true that you forced OG to remove Laudas tagg ? on: May 07, 2019, 01:12:27 AM
I'm sure most would agree that suggests that theymos told him not to remove laudas negative feedback. 
Indeed. This clearly suggests theymos told him something like "please don't remove the negative trust you left on Lauda's profile" or even "I agree with you Lauda deserves negative trust as he either scammed or tried to scam".

OgNasty wrote that in a way there's a technicality to avoid explicitly accusing him to lie but, after reading the actual quote and explanation posted by theymos, I now know quotes posted by OgNasty can't be trusted unless I have access to the whole story and have read the whole conversation.

I very much doubt OG would try to mislead the reader to that degree. 
I thought that too but I was clearly mistaken. He can mislead to that degree as long as he finds a way to avoid bringing accused of lying.
It seems that everyone involved is being very misleading at best. They are probably not doing what would get them convicted of perjury if they were under oath, but I would ask additional probing questions before trusting the substance of what anyone involved says in the future.

I think everyone involved should agree with or dispute that theymos told the *whole* truth as to what happened

Assuming theymos is telling the whole truth, it looks like OgN removed his trust against lauda in order to improve his trust score based on his above statement in addition to what theymos said. For this, I believe he is in the wrong. I also think theymos is in the wrong as explained in my above post. Lauda hasn’t really addressed the issue, but IMO, he was using his position in DT to silence his critic (along with his friends positions in DT).

Lauda seems to have learned a lesson from my fiasco years ago — to not make any public statements when involved in controversy (as he has done many times— or to keep the public statements to be few and vague). In corporate America, not cooperating with an investigation is grounds to get fired, regardless of your innocence.
1698  Other / Meta / Re: @theymos is it true that you forced OG to remove Laudas tagg ? on: May 06, 2019, 08:42:21 PM
I pressured several people to remove inappropriate, unconstructive ratings amongst each other. When OgNasty replied telling me that he perceived real trust issues with Lauda, I responded:
If this is what you believe, then you shouldn't remove the rating, but then it wouldn't be fair for me to pressure Lauda to remove ratings against you. Personally, I find Lauda's history gray, not red. And the trust system is only going to work if there's some level of forgiveness and de-escalation. But if you really believe that Lauda isn't safe to deal with, then you should leave the rating.

Then there was an exchange between OgNasty and Lauda in which Lauda kept a laudably Cool cool head, and OgNasty was able to reach a point where he could feel OK removing the rating.

The ratings did all end up being removed, which I'm happy with, and I appreciate the willingness to de-escalate and forgive from the people involved in this case. The fact that this issue came up at all indicates that the trust system isn't working perfectly (and I am considering future system changes), but it's still a good outcome.
Lauda doesn’t usually lose his cool, he usually just tags his critics and trolls them when they complain.

I don’t think OgN has any reasonable trust concerns about him by the “reasonable person” standard. OTOH, there are concerns about Laura’s history that you acknowledge (you describe them as grey as opposed to red — it should not be unreasonable for someone to have a different opinion than you).

It seems to me that Laudas rating against OgN was to silence a critic while OgN’s rating against lauda was to warn others about what he reasonably believes to be untrustworthy behavior. It is for this reason that it would be fair to pressure lauda to remove his rating against OgN if OgN kept his rating in tact.

I would repeat what I previously stated regarding the matter:
Quote from: QS
would not have removed my rating against lauda under any circumstances that doesn’t involve substantial evidence of his evidence.

One can reasonably compare lauda to TradeFortress. If my memory serves me correctly regarding what I have read about the inputs scam, TF refunded the majority of money deposited into inputs, refunded the entire deposit amount of large depositors (investors), and only a small percentage (0%?) of small deposits under a certain threshold. I also believe that there were claims TF was using the trust system to silence people critical of him until he was ultimately removed from being on DT1.

In the escrow transaction that lauda was involved in (that was non-transparent), a mixture of bitcoin and various altcoins were deposited into escrow that was strongly implied to be 2-of-3 multisig with 3 escrows each holding one of the private keys. The altcoins were converted into bitcoin via exchanges, however the amount sent back to escrow was well below what would be expected, based on the *low* of exchange rates in the several time periods after the various alts were deposited into exchanges. The discrepancy was in excess of a million dollars based on exchange rates at the time. I also strongly believe that the private keys required to sign the various transactions to spend the money in escrow were controlled by one person.

The project ended up failing and those who invested were due refunds. IIRC refunds were given based on how many tokens were purchased. After the ICO sale, and after the altcoins were converted into bitcoin, nearly all altcoin values declined substantially, so the ICO investors likely ended up in a better position than if they owned the tokens and if they had owned their various altcoins they used to invest in the project, both even after accounting for the discrepancy. As such, less people complained than would otherwise be expected. However it still appears money was stolen. The majority of money was returned to investors.

When there are million dollar discrepancies in transactions, a promise for a similar situation not to happen again is insufficient. It is necessary to leave a negative rating warning others about the incident. Period. If TF promised not to offer deposit services that gets “hacked” again, it would be wholly inappropriate to remove his negative ratings. If Mark Kaapolis (or however his name is spelled— the person in charge of Gox) returned saying that he promises not to “lose” a billion dollars worth of customer money, it would be inappropriate to remove the ratings warning others against depositing money with him. Lauda and friends currently use the trust system to silence their critics.

The primary difference between lauda and TF (and Gox) is that TF admitted he didn’t return all the money owed to depositors. Lauda on the other hand refused to admit not all money was returned and refused to answer any questions about what happened to the money. Perhaps this is a lesson to scammers that if you refuse to answer questions about any missing money, you won’t be held accountable for any missing money.

I would rather be labeled a scammer (incorrectly) and excluded up the wazoo than be prohibited from warning others about his previous scammy behavior.
1699  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to calculate bitcoin transaction size and fees on: May 06, 2019, 08:14:01 PM
Your formula is only accurate for non-segwit (and non-multisig) inputs.

A SegWit input will take up 91 bites and a bech32 input (a different type of SW address that starts with “BC1”) will take up 68 bites of block space after accounting for the witness (signature) discount.
1700  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to get tokens listed on big exchanges on: May 06, 2019, 08:02:11 PM
as i know there is no faster way to get listed on the big exchange unless you are willing to pay
i found this post about listing fee for your coins to be listed on an exchange but i don't know if the info is correct or still same?


I found this thread very interesting and informative  Cheesy

This is info that i received in October 2018, so i don't know if the listing fees are still the same  Wink

Listing Price
Binance - 50 BTC
Poloniex - 30/50 BTC
COSS - 40 BTC
KuCoin - 30 BTC
HitBTC - 10/15 BTC
Cryptopia - 15 BTC
CoinExchange - 2/4 BTC
LiveCoin - 4 BTC
btc-alpha - 3 BTC
Meratox - 2 BTC
Crypto.bridge - 1 BTC
YoBit - 0.1/0.5 BTC
Stex - 0.08 BTC
Crex24 -  0.3 BTC
Binance has been known to not charge listing fees if your coin uses some kind of especially good technology. I would suspect other exchanges would do the same if your coin is especially promising and stands out from other coins.
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