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1521  Other / Meta / Re: @THEYMOS Abusive group punished DT1 for speaking up against them on: May 23, 2019, 07:42:49 PM
Here's the thing: BG is an asshole for publishing the PM of a member that sent him a message in confidence. If he is allowed to continue in his sig campaign, which is what this is obviously all about, well that's just not right, given the standards of it set forth.
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Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages.
Unless the PM was encrypted, I don’t see any expectation of privacy.

If you don’t want anything embarrassing you said in a PM to be published, don’t write anything embarrassing in a PM.

You really don't see a difference between the note by theymos and the issue at hand?


That note is not from theymos. It is standard on all SMF forums.

I have long held that PMs not encrypted are fair game to be disclosed at the option of either party.

It's called PRIVATE PERSONAL message for a reason. Everybody knows that it is a dick move to publicly post PMs.
You should post a screen shot of where it is called *private* message. I’ll give you a thousand dollars if you can provide a verifiable screenshot in the next hour.

Fixed my post, still doesn't change the point.
A personal message is sent to a specific person to read. There is no expectation of privacy.
1522  Other / Meta / Re: @THEYMOS Abusive group punished DT1 for speaking up against them on: May 23, 2019, 06:42:21 PM
All the scamming & distrusted accounts are out like flies around dog shit.

Are you surprised? There's always talks of "them" who are nasty people just out to ruin people yet I've never been treated as bad as the ones calling "them" out have treated me.

Blocking PM's and putting people on Ignore helps a lot, as some users suggested it to me, less noise = happier life Smiley.

That's because you are sucking "their" dicks. Of course they will feed you scooby snacks and pet you and say nice things. You are their pet. We had perfectly friendly conversations days before you untrusted, excluded, then blocked me all without any explanation immediately after I spoke out about Vod's behavior. I even offered to help you get your negative removed. I never sent you any harassing PMs you are just another spineless toadie who doesn't want to have to be forced to make any critical self examination. Much easier to just blame others.
He is also paying them very well with money from his customers.

He also appears to more or less make decisions on behalf of his customers however these people want him to do, even if not in his customers best interest.

He is borderline embezzling his customers money.
1523  Other / Meta / Re: @THEYMOS Abusive group punished DT1 for speaking up against them on: May 23, 2019, 06:27:54 PM
Looks like bill threw me to the dogs. I like(d) him a lot & I did see him as trustworthy & a good guy.

It turns out he bought a farmed account & got himself into DT. I should have just gone with my head & not my heart when Lauda PM’d me.

I sent you that PM in confidence bill, I should have just ~ you for the account buying & not tried to explain that I was removing you in a friendly way.

Fuck it !!!!!
He basically bought what amounts to a copper membership. His account had ~100 posts when he bought it.

There are other reputable people who have bought their account who are on DT. Lauda went into business with aTriz who was purchased. Blazed both bought and sold accounts, but is praised by lauda and gang.
1524  Other / Meta / Re: @THEYMOS Abusive group punished DT1 for speaking up against them on: May 23, 2019, 06:23:35 PM
Here's the thing: BG is an asshole for publishing the PM of a member that sent him a message in confidence. If he is allowed to continue in his sig campaign, which is what this is obviously all about, well that's just not right, given the standards of it set forth.
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Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages.
Unless the PM was encrypted, I don’t see any expectation of privacy.

If you don’t want anything embarrassing you said in a PM to be published, don’t write anything embarrassing in a PM.

You really don't see a difference between the note by theymos and the issue at hand?


That note is not from theymos. It is standard on all SMF forums.

I have long held that PMs not encrypted are fair game to be disclosed at the option of either party.

It's called PRIVATE message for a reason. Everybody knows that it is a dick move to publicly post PMs.
You should post a screen shot of where it is called *private* message. I’ll give you a thousand dollars if you can provide a verifiable screenshot in the next hour.
1525  Economy / Reputation / Re: "Fake Bills In Circulation" on: May 23, 2019, 05:59:00 PM
Well this certainly isn't an extended pattern of abuse and retribution for Bill Gator speaking about about abusive behavior of those on the DT. The stack of negatives for Bill Gator while ignoring account sellers like Nutilduhh isn't enough now that he had his ban lifted, time to keep digging until you find a crime. What are your crimes?
Obviously. They don’t even try to hide it anymore
1526  Other / Meta / Re: @THEYMOS Abusive group punished DT1 for speaking up against them on: May 23, 2019, 05:36:43 PM
Here's the thing: BG is an asshole for publishing the PM of a member that sent him a message in confidence. If he is allowed to continue in his sig campaign, which is what this is obviously all about, well that's just not right, given the standards of it set forth.
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Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages.
Unless the PM was encrypted, I don’t see any expectation of privacy.

If you don’t want anything embarrassing you said in a PM to be published, don’t write anything embarrassing in a PM.

You really don't see a difference between the note by theymos and the issue at hand?


That note is not from theymos. It is standard on all SMF forums.

I have long held that PMs not encrypted are fair game to be disclosed at the option of either party.
1527  Other / Meta / Re: @THEYMOS Abusive group punished DT1 for speaking up against them on: May 23, 2019, 05:06:02 PM
Here's the thing: BG is an asshole for publishing the PM of a member that sent him a message in confidence. If he is allowed to continue in his sig campaign, which is what this is obviously all about, well that's just not right, given the standards of it set forth.
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Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages.
Unless the PM was encrypted, I don’t see any expectation of privacy.

If you don’t want anything embarrassing you said in a PM to be published, don’t write anything embarrassing in a PM.
1528  Economy / Reputation / Re: Someone is selling green rating (DT) on: May 23, 2019, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: LoyceV

^^Are you able to scrape individual trust ratings? If you can, you could filter all the ratings sent prior to today and who has sent less than two positive rating today.
1529  Economy / Services / Re: [FULL] ChipMixer Signature Campaign | Sr Member+ | Up to 0.0375 BTC/w on: May 23, 2019, 02:45:18 PM
Because theymos stepped in, I don't think bill gator will be tagged red for too long.

Tranth, you have to understand the forum politics, there's so much going on there. Bill has stepped on so many toes and unless theymos steps in (again) those red tagged aren't going anywhere beside they aren't false either. Have you heard the saying "Don't bit more than you can chew", Bill did just that and his past caught up with him.
The fact they were using negative trust means the ratings say “bill is a scammer because...” and none of them are accurate.

Bill really didn’t step on many toes, he stepped on a very small number of toes who have zero tolerance for dissent. He doesn’t have negative trust for buying his account, the negative trust is because he dissented.
1530  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Merit for Crypto (and other) Knowledge (no guide threads) on: May 23, 2019, 01:22:51 PM
Appreciate what you doing for BCT but is this rule still in effect
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If you have received merit from me via this thread, you may resubmit another application one month after I send merit on this thread.
Yes, you can resubmit

Edit: removed his post, although he can submit his posts and they will be reviewed.
1531  Other / Politics & Society / Re: #breaking Michael Avenatti arrested (report) again on: May 23, 2019, 12:00:34 AM
He has been charged with *more* crimes regarding money owed to Stormy Daniels.

I wonder how an attorney that stole money from a hot babe of a porn star would be treated in prison.



She isn't that attractive. Maybe 10 years ago (maybe). I would be more worried about what they think of sleazy lawyers if I were him lol.
There is a picture of her with Trump in 2006, she was not attractive in that picture.

Based on the charges he is facing, I don't see Avenatti ever working as a lawyer, or possibly professionally again. He might get a book deal, but depending on the specific circumstances, he might not see that money depending on the specific circumstances regarding what his book is about and the charges surrounding his relationship with Daniels.
1532  Economy / Reputation / Re: How should this be interpreted? on: May 22, 2019, 11:54:05 PM
The first round started Dec 21, and ended on the 28th29th. The second round would have ended on Jan 5, which is 7 days later. There were two entries posted on Jan 5, one at 12:34 AM and the other at 9:54 PM.

I didn't see anything in their thread announcing the specific cutoff times for entries. Technically speaking, they could argue the cutoff was before anyone completed their entry.

They also said they would host the giveaway up to 4 times per month
[...]The Blender.io team will pick out winners randomly via https://www.miniwebtool.com/ up to 4 times a month, [...]
Even though they didn't technically say the giveaway was going to stop, they did not specifically say it will continue, and my reading of the post announcing the giveaway doesn't obligate them to continue additional rounds.

It also says only forum members that are "member" rank or better can participate, although this is listed under "bitcointalk" and could be read as the contest is only open to "members" and better. cornl was the 2nd person to enter and his merit history reflects he only had 2 merit as of when the round was over, but the other person who entered in time, rat03gopoh did have enough merit to rank to member.

The additional requirement is ambiguous, and it is not clear to me what was expected to be eligible. It appears they speak Russian, perhaps as their primary language. I tried translating the additional requirement into Russian and back into English to see if ambiguity is removed, this is the result:
Quote from: google translate to russian then back to english
For week 2 we have an additional requirement: you will need to publish at least 10 messages before the next round for each link of your forum, otherwise they will not be taken into account.
Still not very good.

I don't think how they conducted themselves is very professional, but I would not consider being unprofessional a reason to call the person a scammer.

I am not going to advocate one way or another for or against their tag. Some people have avoided getting tagged for a bigger stretch of logic, but I think that logic was completely BS, however it is precedent -- there is no need to re-litigate that here.
1533  Other / Politics & Society / Re: #breaking Michael Avenatti arrested (report) again on: May 22, 2019, 07:09:19 PM
He has been charged with *more* crimes regarding money owed to Stormy Daniels.
1534  Other / Meta / Re: [Ban Appeal] bill gator on: May 22, 2019, 02:49:21 PM
...

How did the supposed alt know that bill gator was banned to rush here and make this conspiracy theory work? 
I knew he was banned days ago when his signature reflected:
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Banned from displaying signatures until May 18, 2021, 08:56:42 PM

The above in addition to the fact that he hasn’t posted in several days, starting prior to when he was banned. I believe he was banned on May 19 just before 9PM.

I would presume that anyone else could make the same conclusion.

(Technically I don’t *know* he was banned at all or at that time, but it is reasonable for one to reach the conclusion).
1535  Other / Meta / Re: @THEYMOS Abusive group punished DT1 for speaking up against them on: May 22, 2019, 02:43:29 PM
I don’t understand why it is even necessary for a third party to run a bot to detect plagiarism. If most cases are as simple as theymos describes, finding plagiarism should be as simple as a database query. This is especially true if the goal is to detect all cases of plagiarism in which exactly the entire post was copied, but slightly more advanced queries could be done to find more tricky cases of plagiarism.

The above would remove any question of someone being targeted because of something they said or their stance in a dispute. It should also allow us to detect ~all cases of plagiarism and should be able to do so moving forward in real time.

No, I don’t trust suchmoon to not intentionally target someone (or avoiding checking/reporting someone) based on who they are or what their stances are, or whose side they take, etc. 
1536  Other / Meta / Re: [Ban Appeal] bill gator on: May 22, 2019, 01:55:00 PM
So the spam was a problem back then, but I don't think there were any instances in which anyone who stopped spamming and started making decent posts was in any real any danger of getting banned. So if you take the premise that the OP bought the account and should have known it had a poor history, the way he could have resolved the poor history at the time would be to start making decent posts and he wouldn't be in any additional danger of a ban. Also, someone with a hundred posts (the number bill gator had when it was purchased) would generally not get permabanned as soon as discovered as it was posting garbage, it would generally receive a number of temp bans to give the opportunity to improve, so his risk at the time was he would receive a temp ban, and would need to make better posts moving forward, the later of which he did.

Plagiarism may have been common back then (IDK one way or another), but I don't think it was known to be a problem, nor known to be common.

All of this revolves around if Bill should have reasonably checked for plagiarism when he bought the account.

I would agree with your conclusion, and my opinion is that Bill should have reasonably checked for plagiarism/post quality. Im sure you recall how accounts were marketed back then, and post quality was always a factor. I remember playing with the account tool that everyone used and having it judge my post quality. While I agree that improving your post history is a good way to decrease the penalties, if you break a rule and you aren't caught you aren't punished. As soon as you get caught, you are likely to be punished. Will a moderator give you more consideration if you have 1 bad post for every 100 good? Certainly more so than someone with 10 posts with half of them being bad.

The risk as you said was that he would receive a temp ban, and he did. I'm not sure that it warrants a 60 day ban given the offense to contribution ratio, but thats if we operate under the assumption that there was only a single case of plagiarism in Bill's post history.
I agree 100% that he should have checked post quality, but I am not aware of any basis for checking for plagiarism in 2015. If he had gotten banned for spamming in 2015 that lasted a week, I would be on the same page, but it is 2019 and his ban is ~8 weeks and has a 102 week sig ban.

It is my understanding that sig spammers were generally receiving a 3 or 7 day ban for a first offense back then, not the 60 day ban plus a 2 year sig ban he received. I am also not aware of anyone receiving a ban for insubstantial posts with a paid sig well after post quality has improved.

The point is that multiple people, yourself included are tagging him based on what a one post newbie is saying without any supporting evidence. Lauda is saying he is going to have at least orange trust forever regardless of the opinion of anyone else based on the uncorroborated word of a one post newbie

Lauda is blowing smoke probably to just piss you off fella - your biting only encourages more of it. In your hypothetical story here, should the wordsmith Bill come back and prove that the OP (who has a thesaurus stuffed in every orifice) is not Bill I will happily remove my tag and will lean on Lauda to remove as well. You seem obsessed with tags so much more since OG is no longer on DT and its a bit worrying, the old dictatorship is over, DT is self governing and if a tag is unjust members of DT talk to each other and help resolve anything that is seen as incorrect by a number of people. The new system is working as you can see with OG and Bill being excluded by more senior members than included - yet you will also see that that teeGUMES is on DT as the issue with regards to Vod was handled in a respectable way.

so, "if" you are right the tags at the moment will be removed and they aren't doing any harm whilst the member in question is banned if the member does not come back and post before the ban is over we can conclude that the OP is Bill. Now to further indulge you, every fucking other person on this fucking forum can add 2+2 and see that the OP was written by the same scummy prick who bought the fucking account, weaseled his way with tiny deals to have a decent level of trust, continued to shit words out and then write a fucking essay on every post then get onto DT..



Lauda is not blowing smoke. Bill did something that lauda doesn’t like and he is looking for an excuse to give negative trust.

It is not possible to prove a one post newbie is not an alt of someone. It is ridiculous to suggest that someone could possibly do that.
1537  Other / Meta / Re: [Ban Appeal] bill gator on: May 22, 2019, 12:25:48 PM
Plagiarism was neither explicitly against the rules when he bought the account nor was it a known problem. He should have known not to plagiarize himself (by all accounts he did not), but I don't think he had any reason to believe others were plagiarizing.

I don’t think he had any reasonable reason to check for plagiarism when he bought it, and I don’t think any of the tools that checked post quality would look into potential plagiarism.

As previously stated, if account buyers are going to be held responsible for the actions of prior owners, account sales might as well be disallowed.

It technically was, we just called it spam at the time as it was not common with non newbie accounts. Account farmers were a problem even back then, and plagiarism itself wasn't uncommon. Account farmers had hundreds of accounts and they'd share posts in megathreads and places they could get away with it. Those accounts were nuked/banned, but none of them ever appealed because they knew exactly what they were doing.

I don't know for certain, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bill's account was one that slipped through the cracks, and later got flagged by the bot.
So the spam was a problem back then, but I don't think there were any instances in which anyone who stopped spamming and started making decent posts was in any real any danger of getting banned. So if you take the premise that the OP bought the account and should have known it had a poor history, the way he could have resolved the poor history at the time would be to start making decent posts and he wouldn't be in any additional danger of a ban. Also, someone with a hundred posts (the number bill gator had when it was purchased) would generally not get permabanned as soon as discovered as it was posting garbage, it would generally receive a number of temp bans to give the opportunity to improve, so his risk at the time was he would receive a temp ban, and would need to make better posts moving forward, the later of which he did.

Plagiarism may have been common back then (IDK one way or another), but I don't think it was known to be a problem, nor known to be common.

All of this revolves around if Bill should have reasonably checked for plagiarism when he bought the account.

The implication is the OP is not Bill Gator appealing his ban, but rather someone else trying to give an excuse to tag him.

Ok - lets play what ifs again...

if it isnt Bill - so what?
if it is Bill - So what?

either he did copy pasta and most people will exclude from DT, or he didn't and he will be excluded and tagged for buying an account. I don't get what your hardon is here unless it was you who actually started this thread.
The point is that multiple people, yourself included are tagging him based on what a one post newbie is saying without any supporting evidence. Lauda is saying he is going to have at least orange trust forever regardless of the opinion of anyone else based on the uncorroborated word of a one post newbie
1538  Other / Meta / Re: [Ban Appeal] bill gator on: May 22, 2019, 12:02:31 PM
This would lead me to believe the mods are *not* telling those who are banned which of their posts were found to be plagiarized.
I highly doubt anyone is being told which posts they plagiarized--but that's always the way it's worked.  When someone opens a ban appeal thread, only then does someone do the research and come up with an example or multiple examples.
If Bill Gator was not told which post was plagiarized when he was banned, then the question becomes how did the OP know which post he was banned for *before* he opened this thread.

The implication is the OP is not Bill Gator appealing his ban, but rather someone else trying to give an excuse to tag him.
1539  Economy / Reputation / Re: DT Members with Sig bans. on: May 22, 2019, 07:06:56 AM
In my mind it is up to these banned/sig banned DT members to explain themselves (sooner than later) and provide some context with the reason why they were sig banned and appeal to DT directly. The mods/staff/this insane new bot have done their job and now it's up to DT to act aswell.
Do we now have different rules for DT members and non DT members as it concerns plagiarism? This is an offence as far as I agree with your post though. The forum has its standard for such misconduct .
The rules regarding pretty much anything are different for seniors and non seniors. It's all about that intent.
More and more "rules for thee but not for me" Cheesy
Correct. It is because I am this
The Queen of Cats

and you are this:
filthy degenerate
This is good to know. I will be sure to keep this for future reference.
1540  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto - Evidence Here on: May 22, 2019, 07:03:43 AM
If the claims in the medium article are true and can be verified, specifically that he used his credit card to purchase the bitcoin.org domain in 2008, this would be very strong evidence that he is satoshi. I don't think these claims have been proven, and I was also previously under the impression that satoshi had used cash in the mail to pay for the domain registration/hosting.

The medium article also implies that CSW no longer has access to his private keys, and I generally believe this to be true considering satoshi has not spent any of his coins even after bitcoin reached ~$20K. Further evidence of this being true is satoshi not stepping in (with proof of who he is) to try to mediate the block size debate in 2014-2017 when things were very heated.

If CSW is in fact satoshi (he has done things to "prove" he is satoshi that I would consider fraudulent, so I am very skeptical), I would not automatically agree with everything he says, nor his stances of various crypto topics. I maintain my ability to think for myself. In fact I would disagree with many of his stances, including those that caused bitcoin cash to split SV to split off from BCH.
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