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241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoins profits or bank profits, which best? on: November 15, 2023, 03:26:38 PM
Bank investors have more certainty because there capital is completely safe but they give 8-10% annual profits to the investors of per year. But it is comparatively less in terms of profits.

On the other hand you will get constant profits from crypto as if you are experienced in trading then daily profits is possible. Otherwise you can get profits by investing. However crypto investment puts your capital at greater risk (main point).

if I personally share my funds,
1. 70% of my funds are saved in the bank
2. 30% of my funds are invested in cryptocurrency,

because in my opinion we must have 2 investments, that is a short-term and safe investment (saving in the bank), then a long-term investment that has a high risk, but also has a high profits (investing in cryptocurrency).
If you keep your funds in a bank, you should consider the inflation rate in your country. Banks can usually give a small percentage return, which is often the same as inflation. That is, your money simply does not depreciate in value. It cannot be called an investment.
242  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bull season started? on: November 15, 2023, 02:15:27 PM
If Bitcoin falls in value to $34k or rises to $37k it doesn't show it's the start of bull season. I wouldn't say it's a bullish period today because the price of BTC can change in one second. The price's swinging but it isn't enough to bring the start of the bullish period.

The price of BTC in one second can change quickly. For now, is there a potential for another fall to 34k and if it rises to 37k, because according to that it is most likely if we look at the BTC price movement chart. But, prices are now starting to go up at 35.5K. What is certain is that a number of price swings create trading opportunities. So in any case a review of the information is necessary.
I think it's not the bitcoin price that's worth paying attention to right now, but the way altcoins have started to rise. Another good sign for future growth is the printing of tether. In the last month tether printed a lot of stablecoins, which will have to appear on the market. It seems to me that these are signs of the bulls coming back.
243  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: November 15, 2023, 01:33:00 PM
Today we do have a game for Euro 2024 qualifiers and Israel will face Swiss in order to decide who will go to euro and who will now. For this game , I really hope Swiss will manage to win the game and help Romania to qualify further after a very long wait of 8 years to not bet at Euro.

There is also 2nd scenario where Israel wins the game and the next game it will be against Romania but I'll be honest and admit that Romania really have a strong team capable of beating all the teams from the group so it's not a miracle that they are on 1st place. Until then , my country needs to qualify and as a Romanian , tonight it will be an important one for us.  Cool
Even if they win, Israel will have fewer points than Switzerland. Although I think Switzerland will not lose this game. Especially since the match will be played not in Israel, but in Hungary, so there will be no home field advantage. I think that Switzerland will not have any problems today. It's funny to say, but it will be a meeting of two bankers. Cheesy
244  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: November 14, 2023, 07:49:27 PM
most people will say this but however there is no team that can break Bayern Munich's dominance because even though Dortmund almost broke their dominance last season they failed and this season there is Leverkusen who will try to put pressure on Munich to break their dominance of the bundesliga title but if Leverkusen makes a mistake several times it will definitely be very easy for Bayern Munich to shift him from the top of the standings and Leverkusen opportunity to get even more superior players comes in january and we'll see if Xabi can get talented players to strengthen the team consistently.
Borrusia Dortmund and Bayer Leverkusen can actually stop Bayern Munich this season, but these clubs have tried in the past and couldn't produce excellent beneficial results. Bayern Munich have growned to become one of the strongest team in Germany and they're referred as the Giant of Bundesliga. With full capacity like Bayern Munich coach, Thomas Tuchel constantly improve his chances, winning major trophies will become more easier than expected and lesser pressure on the coach because he's dealing with world-class players who don't relent but captures good scores in league games.
Not sure about Dortmund that they can do anything with Bayern this season. Their last meeting ended with a complete capitulation of Dortmund and they have a big gap in the standings now. I think Stuttgart or Leipzig have a better chance. Although, of course, Bayer are clear favourites for now.
245  Economy / Speculation / Re: Hong Kong regulators might allow spot ETF on: November 14, 2023, 04:50:26 PM
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It seems to me that in this case China is just trying to do exactly the same as the US to share the market. If we talk about every country making a spot bitcoin etf in the future, where will so many bitcoins come from? This may indicate that the price of bitcoin will be really big and satoshis will be traded, or people's interest in bitcoin will be low.
Bitcoin ETF will not make people's interest in bitcoin decrease - on the contrary, the interest of the public and large investors in investing in bitcoin is expected to increase rapidly. Bitcoin ETF products are considered to provide a sense of security for most investors - but the best level of security that every investor must have is having their own custody of their investment assets.
Then it's not clear to me why investors can't buy bitcoins now, for example on the Binance exchange? Let's remember that Tesla had some bitcoin that they bought somewhere. Or Microstrategy also buy bitcoin all the time. There is nothing stopping them from doing so without a spot etf.
246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Blackrock Ethereum ETF Filing on: November 14, 2023, 03:07:25 PM
ETF has been trending lately, it's because of Bitcoin which has a lot of rumors about Bitcoin ETF approval, and most of the final deadlines of Bitcoin ETFs are next year.

Suddenly the highest market cap altcoin has been shocking announcement about this ETF filing.

Do you think Ethereum will be approved first before  Bitcoin?
Or Bitcoin first then Ethereum?

And do you think after Ethereum is approved on their ETF, any other altcoins will follow too?


https://listingcenter.nasdaq.com/rulebook/NASDAQ/rulefilings


This news has ignited new wave of excitement in cryptocurrencies market. Ethereum price surged to above $2100 and all protocols on Ethereum network are showing price increase to the extent of 10-15%. There is speculation in the market that Ethereum can potentially soar to $3000 or even more once formal improved of Ethereum is obtained by BlackRock.
I think that $3k is not much for eth now. Especially since the hype around the etf will only get stronger. But until the etf is approved for bitcoin, it is too early to talk about possible developments for eth. I think we are seeing a local altseason so far and that's already good.

there were predictions that ETH would go $25k once approved. the adoption is really arriving in 2024. it only needs ETH ETF to kickstart this altcoin season to full steam. even now, SOL is outranking competitors and reached almost $60 at this very early phase.

ETH ETF will be approved after all it's the Blackrock that is applying for it. it's not just someone. Blackrock is wallstreet and if SEC Gensler was already grilled this time while the approval will still wait for several months, what more could Gensler get if he denied Blackrock? he is owned.

So that explains the recent rise in price. It's interesting to see more and more investment companies adopt cryptocurrencies; it means that we're moving towards a phase of accepting realizing that they're real assets, for those who have always doubted it. If Bitcoin is approved, then Ethereum will be approved too, for sure, and who knows, more cryptocurrencies might be listed in the future as well. However, $25,000 sounds like way too much. How much will Bitcoin be worth if Ethereum reaches that high? It's previous ATH sits slightly below $5,000; in my opinion, a more reasonable prediction would be around $7,000 to $8,000 tops.
It seems to me that global adoption of cryptocurrencies may not happen. It is hard to imagine how these assets will be traded on international exchanges when the influence of big players on the market is very big. Sometimes any major coin holder can influence the price in any direction. Hardly any serious investor would agree to risk large assets because of this. Although maybe bitcoin and ethereum will really gain the trust of Wall Street.
247  Economy / Speculation / Re: Hong Kong regulators might allow spot ETF on: November 13, 2023, 07:34:08 PM
Every country is going to have to offer their people a Bitcoin spot ETF in the future. Not doing so would be hurting themselves financially and their future prospects. Even though Vanguard claims they never will, I’m sure they too will not be able to resist the fees and cries of their customers to bring a Bitcoin spot ETF product to market.
It seems to me that in this case China is just trying to do exactly the same as the US to share the market. If we talk about every country making a spot bitcoin etf in the future, where will so many bitcoins come from? This may indicate that the price of bitcoin will be really big and satoshis will be traded, or people's interest in bitcoin will be low.
248  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 13, 2023, 06:46:34 PM
Napoli is believed to be struggling since the start of the season as a result of the manager Rudi Garcia's lack of tactical discipline and u don't think sacking the Frenchman and hiring a manager like Igor Tudor is a good move because I don't think Tudor posseses the tactical experience and ability to improve the team's performance. Napoli who are the reigning champions of Italy is a big club that should go for a well experienced manager if they truly want to do away with Garcia and I don't think Tudor is that kind of manager that should be in the club's list for Garcia's succession.
Napoli gets difficulty to play with their best form now. It is true that Rudi Garcia still can't apply the right tactic for Napoli. He also seems to have no proper ability to boost the motivation for the players. Napoli is only struggling in the 4th place in Serie A, and this position isn't quite safe for Napoli because they compete with Atalanta and Fiorentina. If they get the loses again in the next few matches, Napoli are probably out from UCL zone (out of the top 4).

Well, if Rudi Garcia can't improve the performance of Napoli, Napoli management may fire him. They deserve to get a new coach with a better experience and ability in managing Napoli. Conte may be one of the good candidates for the next coach of Napoli.


It seems to me that after a great result last season and a change of coach, Napoli's current situation can still be called not bad. For a coach who arrived at the club for the first time, it's an unrealistic task to keep the title. Yes, it will probably be good if they can keep their place in the Champions League.
249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum and BlackRock on: November 13, 2023, 04:26:17 PM
Actually, Ethereum will reach 10k with time. So far Bitcoin is still out there and keep getting stronger. I don't even stress my self that much again. I just pair the two with Bitget smart portfolio to balance them while holding some in my non custodial wallet. So,the best time to buy some Ethereum is now because I don't see any reason for a big correction to come unless there is another china FUD on Bitcoin which will definitely affect all cryptocurrencies.
I think that if you want to invest in eth for a few years or even five years, then probably buying now will bring you a profit in the future. But if you are thinking about the upcoming bull market after halving, then maybe it's better to invest in another coin? Because ethereum has a very large capitalisation and 10k is x5 of the current price.
250  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: November 13, 2023, 03:26:27 PM
Manchester united playing Galatasaray at Galatasaray's home in their next champions league fixture is definitely going to be another though one for Manchester united as that fixture is a determinant for Galatasaray and they will be playing form home against Manchester united.

Galatasaray would not want to give a chance to Manchester united on this one because if they loose they are definitely going to be affected with their chances to qualify, they have four points with Copenhagen which is at the second position on the table, if they win and Copenhagen loose to Bayern Munich they are definitely sure of qualifying but if they draw then Copenhagen will have to loose for them to be sure of qualifying so the best alternative for them is to win which they are definitely going to make to that in their home, currently it looks like Manchester united with their current form needs a miracle to qualify.
To be honest, I'm not holding my breath for Manchester United's game against Galatasaray. Based on what I've seen, United's play has not been encouraging, especially since Hojlund and Eriksen could be hurt. United's chances look even worse if they're out. It's going to be tough at Rams Park because Galatasaray is tough, especially when they're trying to stay in the Champions League. At this point, United might have to focus on making it to the Europa League because, let's face it, winning this game seems like a long shot.



I also think it would be better for Manchester United to qualify for the Europa League, but that still doesn't guarantee them success this season. They have the worst result in the group and now even Copenhagen have a better chance to stay in third place. As for the match against Galatasaray, I think Manchester United will lose.
251  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Blackrock Ethereum ETF Filing on: November 12, 2023, 03:56:48 PM
ETF has been trending lately, it's because of Bitcoin which has a lot of rumors about Bitcoin ETF approval, and most of the final deadlines of Bitcoin ETFs are next year.

Suddenly the highest market cap altcoin has been shocking announcement about this ETF filing.

Do you think Ethereum will be approved first before  Bitcoin?
Or Bitcoin first then Ethereum?

And do you think after Ethereum is approved on their ETF, any other altcoins will follow too?


https://listingcenter.nasdaq.com/rulebook/NASDAQ/rulefilings


This news has ignited new wave of excitement in cryptocurrencies market. Ethereum price surged to above $2100 and all protocols on Ethereum network are showing price increase to the extent of 10-15%. There is speculation in the market that Ethereum can potentially soar to $3000 or even more once formal improved of Ethereum is obtained by BlackRock.
I think that $3k is not much for eth now. Especially since the hype around the etf will only get stronger. But until the etf is approved for bitcoin, it is too early to talk about possible developments for eth. I think we are seeing a local altseason so far and that's already good.
252  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will FTT token everly hit it ATH again? on: November 12, 2023, 02:20:58 PM
In less than 24 hours today FTT token has pump at about %51 from $1.22 to about $1.80 so I said let me bring this information to the forum if there is any possibility that this token Can still recover to it's all time high again. Because sometimes one can use such opportunity to achieve something.
Although we talk about bitcoin investment always but just decided to share with us

You can share your thoughts on this.
We have seen the FTT token start to rise over the past few days.  Befor Yesterday we also saw the FTT token hovering at $5.54. Currently FTT Token (-20.60%) from also stood at $3.38. As we know this FTT token once almost died due to bankruptcy. But currently FTX's Co will restore FTX exchange with all its assets, which is why FTT token started to rise again. I think this FTT token will go back to the previous position. I have personally taken the initiative to buy some FTT tokens and keep them invested. Because in the future a person must recover his reward movement.

Although I have not buy it yet because am still skeptical about it. due to what shitcoin did to me, It has caused me emotional jopady. which I will still need to watch its move. I know it might not hit its ATH but maybe probably will make a little fortune. And it should be a short holding because due to analysis from members in this thread it shouldn't be invested with a huge amount because it's more of a gambling 50/50. Invest what you can afford to loose.
Of course, you can't invest too much here, invest a small amount so that you don't regret even if you lose. And if it increases, then you may find some success. I will invest small amount and never invest too much because it can get dumped again at any moment.
Your reasoning sounds more like gambling than investing. I usually see this kind of reasoning when it comes to investing in meme coins. But this is not the best way to lose money. Let's be realistic, ftt will be of no use to anyone. Sure it's manipulation and you might get lucky. But it's like a casino.
253  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why has GAS token been pumping harder yet the Native coin NEO isn't? on: November 11, 2023, 01:09:49 PM
I also noticed that the price of gas has not increased proportionally to neo. Although it seems to me that if the token grows, the main coin should grow even more. To be honest, it was strange for me too. Maybe later it will be time for neo, although I think it is a dead project.
254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Govt Conspiring Via FTX ??? on: November 11, 2023, 12:29:42 PM
Please read the latest news first.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/sec-gary-gensler-hints-open-ftx-crypto-reboot

Gensler has been given a signal if FTX can be rebooted as long as it will be owned by the trusted party. There are some bidders who were willing to buy FTX. We do know that FTX has become one of the biggest exchange site in the past but the fraudulent activities from tis CEO has been destroying it. It may answer your question.
Would you trust your money to exchange that once went bankrupt and lost a lot of money of traders like you? Gensler doesn't seem to be a stupid man, and I guess you could say he's cunning. But I don't understand what kind of reboot they're talking about? The reputation of the exchange is well known. I don't think anyone will trust FTX again.
255  Economy / Speculation / Re: A 8th golden cross of Bitcoin before the halving on: November 11, 2023, 10:32:13 AM
Several months before halving a good time to buy? It's always a good time to buy and if you bought it every day or week or month before now you would already be getting such good prices Smiley

Lesson here is don't worry about timing, just keep buying. Today eve, halving even, after halving even.

When $100k happens, it all will be good buys.
If the price is 100k, that's about 2.7x the current price. Which seems like a very small result for the cryptocurrency market. So it seems to me that it is better to buy better when there is a correction. I am sure that before the halving there will be an opportunity to buy bitcoin cheaper than now.
256  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: November 10, 2023, 03:47:52 PM
I agree with you, we know that Girona is quite easy to beat by teams that are much stronger than them. We know that Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico will not let Girona lead the standings arbitrarily, so they could become a direct threat in the hunt for the championship trophy this season. On the one hand, Girona looks like they will be able to finish in the top four of the standings when the season ends, this can clearly be seen from the way they have secured 3 points in every match they have played.

Maybe the luck they have now is due to the lack of injured players, and the small number of matches they have, so they are able to be like today. The competition will be fiercer when the season enters the second half, we will see whether Girona can overcome the heavier pressure there, personally I doubt that.
Every thing can happen in football, they said. Girona can makes that thing happen. but,
in my opinion, Girona have factors that makes me think They are currently having "purple path', this run of positive results wont last long, because their defense is not strong enough to be in title race. it said; "attacks win you games, defense wins you title", this is the reason for people to say that Girona wont last long at the top of table.

Their Squad depth is also not deep enough to anticipate injuries and fatigue that can come anytime throughout the season. I'm not saying it's impossible for them to be in title race, but I remember this is not the first time that Girona being at the top of the table after 10 games.
Girona started this season in La Liga with victories and found themselves in first place in the standings. I think they will try to stay in the lead for as long as possible. This is a big problem for Real Madrid, Barcelona or Atletico Madrid. Girona play only in La Liga and that is their advantage.
257  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Could stable coins save a deprecating economy on: November 10, 2023, 01:58:01 PM
Failing economies could just adopt the US dollar if they think it will boost them in some way. Stablecoins could be useful if they were more widely accepted. Currently, their greatest benefit is as a store of value. The US dollar is still susceptible to manipulation and inflation but it will not depreciate as fast as a currency suffering hyperinflation.
I still have to rethink how stable crypto coin would hwlp a falling economy. Many of these stable coins are owned by individuals that are not attributed to the government. The government can decide to create it own digital coin just like China had done and that would help people to run transactions using the coin online especially for swapping and payment of services. Digital coin am be implemented by a country but that does not determine the growth of the actually economy.
You're thinking right. Stablecoin is always counted as a dollar, but it is just a surrogate om the dollar. So the government can make it illegal at any time. I think that when CBDC will be launched, stablecoins will be even less reliable than it is now.
258  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Greed or risk on: November 10, 2023, 12:41:50 PM
There are loads of people gambling with various motives, and most people are gutted when it comes to gambling, its either the price or nothing.

They'd prefer to loose out on a huge sum as they've calculated the expected outcome and have decided to sacrifice whatever it is that they have committed to betting on that particualr game. I will call it risk rather than greed.
Probably it is both risk and greed, because a person takes risks trying to earn money. Greed is the amount of money a person is willing to risk. It seems to me that it can be not only gambling, you can see these qualities in cryptocurrency as well. Many people risk money by buying, for example, meme coins to make a quick profit.
259  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC Sentiment Poll for November on: November 09, 2023, 03:41:53 PM
^  Dunno, looking at how BTC has been breaking out above resistances one after another, I don't think 40k is gonna pose much 'resisting' once it gets there.  Lol.  There could be one around 46k - 48k tho judging from how it looks on the chart.

Anyway after the first week of so, we got 22 guys voting that it's already a bull market, there are 4 guys who woke up at the wrong side of the bed and a couple of guys who don't know.m Hmmm...  At least let's hope they're exposed at least a little in this market move.
and now it is 23 mate  Grin Wink

I don't mind having sideways but now? I am concretely believing that Bitcoin will gradually hitting 40k and some says even to get 42k before it bounced back to 30k'ish level .

But 46-48k ? i think I am enough when it grows to 42k and maybe consider selling , as I have seen this happening couiple of times that after a growth before halving , mostly price will go super low .

so that means I am ready to what will do once we got there , I love the people here so much positive to what will happen.
It seems to me too that there is a local rise or market manipulation going on right now because of ETFs. I am sure that before halving the price collapsed once more or we can call it the last correction. I don't expect bitcoin to rise much now.
260  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: November 09, 2023, 02:10:29 PM
West Ham, who normally have a good season, have fallen sharply recently. The defeat to Olympiacos deprived them of a crucial advantage at the top of the group. The hosts have only one win in their last six official matches. Olympiacos, on the other hand, is going through a period of good form. Although they lost to PAOK last time out, they are effective in their attacking organization. Still, West Ham need to win this game to stay in the lead. I think they will recover and win.
What happened to West Ham was quite surprising, because their start to the season was very impressive, but slowly and surely they started to show a decline that was quite real so that doubts about them in the European league emerged, maybe for the group phase they will be able to do it because with the six points they have a bigger chance than the other clubs in the group, but when they face Olympiakos it will be a quite important match for them because if they lose to Olympiakos then their position in the standings will be shifted because Freiburg, who will face Bačka Topola, has a big chance of getting 3 points which will put them in first place with 9 points and Olympiakos in second place. David Moyes must be able to make his players play all out to maintain their chances of qualifying.
I think West Ham are playing well when it comes to the Europa League. They are in first place in the group, where Freiburg and Olympiacos are not weak teams. Just today will be a home match against Olympiacos, where West Ham should show a good game.
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