Hey I would like to say that I am the one receiving payments daily from cloudminr.io. That is my address if you are curious as to what I am doing you can skype me Kingbruce4 and I will explain it to you all. Here is a screen shoot of my coinbase account also.
Well, that explains that transaction then. My question to you Mabsark: who are you paid for to make bad publicity to us by creating false, complicated claims that rarely anyone will be bothered to verify, yet get assumptions of us being illegitimate?
I'm not being paid by anyone to try and uncover the truth about your operation. A truth you deliberately try to hide. The point I am trying to make is that our business is not "customer money in, customer money out". Down the road, we make many payments to various people/companies/customers. All you concerns have been answered.
I'm just trying to establish some facts. 1Hy1RGG1oCJxV94wqEMdzyCtMXiyGh3naX is basically an address of yours which was used to sell coins at BTC-e, passing through 1BNFnhxnS6YMs4zeXg33ex5xb9eew8zJsv to get to the unique BTC-e customer address 16KQFWL71JTYWuarPojB6UXNdHXGZKjG4k. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a cloud mining service selling some coins, I'm just trying to establish that that is what occurred. We do not fake payouts. 2 or 3 addresses were our own in the first payouts for testing purposes.
We do not fake users. Around 0.5% of our userbase is actually fake - people do sign up to take advantage of our free 100 GH/s trial.
If we were to fake payouts, we would be "paying out" much more. That's all that I can say for now. I will read through your reasoning though.
Yes, you did. I haven't taken a closer look, but if that is a customers address that went to signature payout, then it's one of the 2-3 addresses that we sent coins to ourselves for testing purposes. Coins were sent to ourselves in the first few payouts, back in November. We haven't sent any coins to addresses controlled by ourselves in the payouts late November.
Testing with wake fake customers. So, now that you've answered those, on to my next question. 1MVMVgpJYUDNxfPynkrNV5ujYYe41A7Zes is an address used to top up your 1CMR18ds3W4tz3MceN7wkm4NsaFW9jxvk9 payout address on recent occasions. It is therefore obviously an address of yours also. 1MVMVgpJYUDNxfPynkrNV5ujYYe41A7Zes sent a payment to 1HnwjL9P2rS3TFrqZeVXf7sYcRApK4YyMd. 1HnwjL9P2rS3TFrqZeVXf7sYcRApK4YyMd also receives payments from 1CMR18ds3W4tz3MceN7wkm4NsaFW9jxvk9. Could you explain why 1HnwjL9P2rS3TFrqZeVXf7sYcRApK4YyMd is receiving payments from your payout address and the address that tops up your payout address? 15fo2vJyYn9Q2zccLecbCzg8ss58AGFPUx is also an address that belongs to you as it tops up the payment address on numerous occasions. 15fo2vJyYn9Q2zccLecbCzg8ss58AGFPUx sends a payment to 1Aq4paN7DwpuoUqaZZrbzqNVbyxpttT2xL which also receives payouts from 1CMR18ds3W4tz3MceN7wkm4NsaFW9jxvk9.15fo2vJyYn9Q2zccLecbCzg8ss58AGFPUx also sends a payment to 1KUZwmZQSG6VYopqDrr26TdyBspGcmVZnU which also receives a payment from 1Bugw545sRYyrMNkmNAreASsVHcRsfJPaf. 1Bugw545sRYyrMNkmNAreASsVHcRsfJPaf itself receives a payment from 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL, which we established earlier was a BTC-e shared wallet. 15fo2vJyYn9Q2zccLecbCzg8ss58AGFPUx also sends a payment to 186HiBZujj86Gg25SayqzUWyTXvpkrCPqj, which sends a payment to 1AzwVNE3MTnvTjyDCe5Nng5tHHfN3NcNd7 which sends a payment to 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot cloud mining). Care to explain? |
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You need to reduce the price, AMHash is significantly cheaper, both upfront and in fees.
Are you sure ? AMHash is BTC2.4 for 2TH Bitmain is BTC1.7 for 2TH Breakeven if difficulty never rises again (yeah right) is AMHash: 301 days Bitmain: 238 days Neither are a good buy Last Price on Havelock for AMHash was 0.00075899 BTC/Gh. 2 Th = 1.51798 BTC Last Price for Hashnest was 0.00083 BTC/Gh. 2 Th = 1.66 BTC AMHash maintenance fess = 0.001551 USD/Gh/Day Hashnest maintenance fess = 0.001638999973776 USD/Gh/Day |
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Of course the coins are not newly mined. As I mentioned yesterday, we sell newly mined coins at a markup and have a few weeks long queue.
By the way, I checked the 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL. That's a BTC-e output address from what I found on the internet.
Are you trying to make complicated reasoning for your claims so that people do not bother verifying them, yet get an assumption than we are illegitimate?
So, what you are saying is that you are selling the bitcoins customers are sending you on BTC-e? I thought you sold newly mined bitcoins? Our payouts are not weekly for everyone. Nobody gets multiple payouts a day though.
Why is 1CRC37wFKwWwRPDtRPs9fDsQ9xxaTSR16a the only address receiving payments from 1CMR18ds3W4tz3MceN7wkm4NsaFW9jxvk9 on a daily basis even though you're service has always been advertised as having weekly payouts? Another fake customer perhaps? Yesterday you said that payments are made to that address multiple times a day. Now you say it's on daily basis. Stop trying to dodge the question and answer it. Why is 1CRC37wFKwWwRPDtRPs9fDsQ9xxaTSR16a the only address receiving payments from 1CMR18ds3W4tz3MceN7wkm4NsaFW9jxvk9 on a daily basis even though you're service has always been advertised as having weekly payouts? Why were coins sent from 1Hy1RGG1oCJxV94wqEMdzyCtMXiyGh3naX to 1BNFnhxnS6YMs4zeXg33ex5xb9eew8zJsv?
Most likely a business transaction if 1Hy1 is controlled by us as you say. Where the coins end up after we have sent them is not our business. As I said, 1FsV is a huge BTC-e output address with over 600k coins received - it could very well be tied to anyone. Don't you think you should find out before speaking? |
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I didn't read through your post yet, but judging by your signature, are you implying that we fake our payouts / users? I would love to have a constructive discussion, but I just cannot take you seriously after such claims. We do not fake payouts. 2 or 3 addresses were our own in the first payouts for testing purposes. We do not fake users. Around 0.5% of our userbase is actually fake - people do sign up to take advantage of our free 100 GH/s trial. If we were to fake payouts, we would be "paying out" much more. That's all that I can say for now. I will read through your reasoning though. Start by answering the following questions. Why were coins sent from 1Hy1RGG1oCJxV94wqEMdzyCtMXiyGh3naX to 1BNFnhxnS6YMs4zeXg33ex5xb9eew8zJsv? Why is 1CRC37wFKwWwRPDtRPs9fDsQ9xxaTSR16a the only address receiving payments from 1CMR18ds3W4tz3MceN7wkm4NsaFW9jxvk9 on a daily basis even though you're service has always been advertised as having weekly payouts? |
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I want to bet with you that neither 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 nor 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L can be proven as owned by the owner of 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec in any way by blockchain analysis. How much you want to bet ?
dr1980m tried to purchase 30 Gh by sending 0.003 BTC to 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L from 13RJvPMzxdAyzXQNnLAAimrMQBGseRJRmC. which was later refunded from Cloud Mining Website's payout address (not the address it was sent to) as shown below: 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L is a deposit address provided to the customer by Cloud Mining Website (who confirmed that by giving them the refund). 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec is obviously a shared wallet collecting incoming funds from individual customer addresses and I've already stated the reasons why. Anyway, I'd like to hear an official response. |
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Proof 2 of your lie :- 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec > 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 It never happened !!! There is Tx you can show where coins have moved from 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec to 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 !!! And from when change address is being owned by the receiver ? From my long journey in blockchain, I have always used to know that change address is owned by the sender. Is friedcat writing a new blockchain rule ? The following explanation of yours is a blatant lie and only people who does not understand anything about blockchain will only believe it... The latest transaction with 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec shows that it received 0.01091639 BTC and a 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 received 0.3613364 BTC. Given that 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec is the customer payment receiving address where the coins where sent to, 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 is a change address which is also belong to Cloud Mining Website. ^^^This Tx only says that 0.01091639 BTC & 0.3615364 BTC were sent out of 19yrjrpnw7egjpNV1frP6Q7krbwRyTp3S3 & 1673CoXkjFck6s9xnDBYtgNFLzf7scinxN and 0.01091639 BTC & 0.3614364 BTC have reached 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec & 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 respectively. It does not say anything at all about any relationship between 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec & 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3, let alone being any fund sent from former to the later. Cloud Mining Website is the owner of the sending and the receiving addresses. 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec is a Cloud Mining Website shared address and the addresses that send to it are Cloud Mining Website assigned customer addresses. So, any change address or other addresses will belong to Cloud Mining Website too. They're certainly not customers addresses as customers get payments from 1LKW6fiftaQg8UPp32ptdgJW587XXCDk3p (including the refund mentioned earlier). 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 therefore belongs to Cloud Mining Website. Further evidence linking to Eobot: 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L (pay in address) > 1GNmnxWkComFYF7k8EBeKtgQz2sprUGYvM > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot cloud mining) |
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Who are the morons giving their money to a "company" that not just hasn't provided any proof of legitimacy, but actually flat out refuses to do so? It's not the people that ask for proof of legitimacy and get to keep their bitcoins, that's for sure.
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I just posted this to the Cloud Mining Website thread: dr1980m tried to purchase 30 Gh by sending 0.003 BTC to 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L from 13RJvPMzxdAyzXQNnLAAimrMQBGseRJRmC. which was later refunded from Cloud Mining Website's payout address (not the address it was sent to) as shown below: From 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L, the 0.003 BTC is sent to 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec. The first payment to 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec was on 2014-11-02 08:42:37 (when Cloud Mining Website started) and receives multiple payments of amounts that are integer multiples of 0.001 BTC (Cloud Mining Website's price per Gh/s). Also, out of 242 transactions, only 3 involve coins moving from 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec. 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec is quite clearly a receiving address for "customer" payments which seem to pass through a unique address first. The first payment out of 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec sends 15.349 BTC to 1Ng9UahczApASvLVPCEoJmvnMAHTvXpFPH on 2015-01-11 18:26:36. From 1Ng9UahczApASvLVPCEoJmvnMAHTvXpFPH, 10.0803785 BTC is sent to 1DoXReLhoc4Qw528ejwhYBWE4DyctGJsRv, which sends the coins to 14uiWYG2kwjbm3AorVaB6qK6o2eSETCqRV and with a few other addresses, finally on to 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL. This give the following chain of transactions: 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec > 1Ng9UahczApASvLVPCEoJmvnMAHTvXpFPH > 1DoXReLhoc4Qw528ejwhYBWE4DyctGJsRv > 14uiWYG2kwjbm3AorVaB6qK6o2eSETCqRV > 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL The latest transaction with 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec shows that it received 0.01091639 BTC and a 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 received 0.3613364 BTC. Given that 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec is the customer payment receiving address where the coins where sent to, 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 is a change address which is also belong to Cloud Mining Website. The coins that 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 receives are sent on to 1LAAhMSLXhLhvgrmdHancjhUyVE2rbcTuJ, then 11QSYSjTjadhNbKXgBcg4B3k5WjnEMkqP, then 1P9GfsxGavQVgZndXk1EbPyKmYwdtDYufB, to finally reach 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot cloud mining) This give the following chain of transactions: 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec > 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 > 1LAAhMSLXhLhvgrmdHancjhUyVE2rbcTuJ > 1P9GfsxGavQVgZndXk1EbPyKmYwdtDYufB > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot cloud mining) So Cloud Mining Website, can you explain why you are sending payments from customers to Eobot cloud mining? Also, why are your customers payments being sent to 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL (an address familiar to recent cloud mining ponzi victims)? If anyone posts on Cloud Mining Website's forums, ask them to come and explain that. Further evidence linking Cloud Mining Website to Eobot: 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L (pay in address) > 1GNmnxWkComFYF7k8EBeKtgQz2sprUGYvM > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot cloud mining) |
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dr1980m tried to purchase 30 Gh by sending 0.003 BTC to 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L from 13RJvPMzxdAyzXQNnLAAimrMQBGseRJRmC. which was later refunded from Cloud Mining Website's payout address (not the address it was sent to) as shown below: From 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L, the 0.003 BTC is sent to 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec. The first payment to 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec was on 2014-11-02 08:42:37 (when Cloud Mining Website started) and receives multiple payments of amounts that are integer multiples of 0.001 BTC (Cloud Mining Website's price per Gh/s). Also, out of 242 transactions, only 3 involve coins moving from 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec. 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec is quite clearly a receiving address for "customer" payments which seem to pass through a unique address first. The first payment out of 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec sends 15.349 BTC to 1Ng9UahczApASvLVPCEoJmvnMAHTvXpFPH on 2015-01-11 18:26:36. From 1Ng9UahczApASvLVPCEoJmvnMAHTvXpFPH, 10.0803785 BTC is sent to 1DoXReLhoc4Qw528ejwhYBWE4DyctGJsRv, which sends the coins to 14uiWYG2kwjbm3AorVaB6qK6o2eSETCqRV and with a few other addresses, finally on to 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL. This give the following chain of transactions: 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec > 1Ng9UahczApASvLVPCEoJmvnMAHTvXpFPH > 1DoXReLhoc4Qw528ejwhYBWE4DyctGJsRv > 14uiWYG2kwjbm3AorVaB6qK6o2eSETCqRV > 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL The latest transaction with 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec shows that it received 0.01091639 BTC and a 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 received 0.3613364 BTC. Given that 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec is the customer payment receiving address where the coins where sent to, 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 is a change address which is also belong to Cloud Mining Website. The coins that 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 receives are sent on to 1LAAhMSLXhLhvgrmdHancjhUyVE2rbcTuJ, then 11QSYSjTjadhNbKXgBcg4B3k5WjnEMkqP, then 1P9GfsxGavQVgZndXk1EbPyKmYwdtDYufB, to finally reach 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot cloud mining) This give the following chain of transactions: 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec > 1KufA3z7mLntENepGKo9Ktu9S7qAL2oLF3 > 1LAAhMSLXhLhvgrmdHancjhUyVE2rbcTuJ > 1P9GfsxGavQVgZndXk1EbPyKmYwdtDYufB > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot cloud mining) So Cloud Mining Website, can you explain why you are sending payments from customers to Eobot cloud mining? Also, why are your customers payments being sent to 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL (an address familiar to recent cloud mining ponzi victims)? If anyone posts on Cloud Mining Website's forums, ask them to come and explain that. |
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The following are the bitcoin ASIC manufacturers that provide cloud mining services:
ASICMiner - AMHash
BitFury - Bit-x
Bitmain - Hashnest
KnCMiner - KNC Cloud
CEX.IO does not. They were using BitFury miners.
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Hmm. The lower the exchange rate, the lower the maintenance fee, today 0.00000799 which is almost on par with amhash. I am starting to smell something fishy unless there is some serious explanation.
How is that something fishy? BitFury has confirmed their partnership with BIT-X.com already, hence BIT-X.com has a proven GH/s amount with actual hashrates unlike other scam cloudmining services. I have contacted BIT-X.com and have let them know to reply in this thread to discuss the lowered mining fee and how/when lowered fees occur. Could you provide the fiat cost for the maintenance fee, whose exchange rate is being used and at what time the exchange calculation is based on? That would make it a lot more transparent. |
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You need to reduce the price, AMHash is significantly cheaper, both upfront and in fees.
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Give me a break. Without bitcointalk they're a scam without victims. Just how I like it.
Yes, good riddance to bad rubbish. I am afrad how many people invested there. Anybody know estimate amount of Bitcoins they received?
They were shut down pretty quickly so not much I'd guess. |
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I've just found a link between cloudminr.io and 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL, an address that ended up with the cryptominer.io coins.
So given that coins stolen by so many scams end up at that address, why are your coins being sent there and what is it?
I haven't taken a closer look to the addresses, but I can confirm that we are not related to any Bitcoin company out there. One thing that we do to increase our margins is that we sell freshly mined coins at a markup. As you probably know, newly mined coins are untraceable and there is a lot of demand for them. We have a 4-5 week queue at the moment. Could it be that we exchanged the coins with a known scammer? Maybe. We don't know that. Possible reasons for our coins ending up in those addresses: 1) Our coins are paid/refunded out to customers, customers then send them to a fraudulent company. 2) We could have exchanged freshly mined coins for "dirty" coins and then paid them out / stored them. If we make a payout/refund to a customer the customer decides to pay cryptominer, it does not necessarily mean that we are cryptominer. I'm afraid that trying to make such analysis is pointless, firstly because we are not in any way related to any other company out there, secondly because we exchange newly mined coins for older coins that could very well be traced back to a scam in 2011 or yesterday, thirdly because any conclusion from such analysis is just an assumption based on assumption based on a bunch of assumptions. We really do appreciate your efforts to improve the overall economy of Bitcoin by unmasking illegitimate operations. You should try getting crowdfunded to do such investigations. We would definitely contribute! What type of bullshit answer is that? Given that 1DpqdziWjddCkYdZG8G8RCugg5FwBXdeEu is funded by 1DpAd8DCNLwEGiZ1CWxmBHgrGHiVyxD77g and 19PXbU796NtUkQf858mSbPhhYSKkfkfjPC, 1DpAd8DCNLwEGiZ1CWxmBHgrGHiVyxD77g is obviously your address, not a customers, otherwise it would not be funding the sig campaign. Given that 18mmSJc4XnbFFdLiXTWYdhKFbKBQwCQAT2 is funding the main payout address, obviously, it is your address too. Given that 18mmSJc4XnbFFdLiXTWYdhKFbKBQwCQAT2, 1DpAd8DCNLwEGiZ1CWxmBHgrGHiVyxD77g and 19PXbU796NtUkQf858mSbPhhYSKkfkfjPC are your addresses, then 1Hy1RGG1oCJxV94wqEMdzyCtMXiyGh3naX is your address too. Given that 163hR6atXKv8cbUhjaBkmjuaGHndQWg9kh, 1PfSp72cYBTkqohUFpdQMJu4eoCifoxgxf and 1FkGxvpBbyTvuww41NTBzL1BiU7TPEfD6C were only present in the first payout and then send their payment to an address you own, they were clearly fake payments to fake customers. So now that we've established that 1Hy1RGG1oCJxV94wqEMdzyCtMXiyGh3naX is your address, the connection can be simplified to: 1Hy1RGG1oCJxV94wqEMdzyCtMXiyGh3naX > 1BNFnhxnS6YMs4zeXg33ex5xb9eew8zJsv > 16KQFWL71JTYWuarPojB6UXNdHXGZKjG4k > 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL Try to give a proper explanation this time instead of blaming it on customers. The coins are not newly mined either. If they were, we would be able to trace the payouts to newly mined blocks and wouldn't need you to provide a mining address. Stop making terrible excuses and provide a real explanation. You could start by explaining why you sent coins from 1Hy1RGG1oCJxV94wqEMdzyCtMXiyGh3naX to 1BNFnhxnS6YMs4zeXg33ex5xb9eew8zJsv. Our payouts are not weekly for everyone. Nobody gets multiple payouts a day though.
Why is 1CRC37wFKwWwRPDtRPs9fDsQ9xxaTSR16a the only address receiving payments from 1CMR18ds3W4tz3MceN7wkm4NsaFW9jxvk9 on a daily basis even though you're service has always been advertised as having weekly payouts? Another fake customer perhaps? |
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Also, why is 1CRC37wFKwWwRPDtRPs9fDsQ9xxaTSR16a receiving payments from 1CMR18ds3W4tz3MceN7wkm4NsaFW9jxvk9 multiple times a day?
If your payouts are weekly, why would one of your customers be getting multiple daily payments?
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From the article: Financed in part by money the Welle brothers made as bitcoin miners in the technology’s early days, Bitcoin Brothers is working with TSMC to manufacture its proprietary 3D 16nm FinFET application-specific integrated circuits (ASICs), which the company designed itself. Unfortunately for them, TSMC’s 16nm FinFET Faces Major Delay – Qualcomm Jumps Ship To Samsung. |
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Are change addresses always the last output in a transaction?
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A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the operator. Sure we were using some of those funds to pay people out, after all once paid they are our funds to pay out with ( thats the only proof you have? thats just laughable )
Well now we have you admitting to running a ponzi as well as the undeniable evidence of you doing so. Lets just pretend that you are legitimate for a second though. You could have avoided all this simply by acting like a legitimate service and providing proof of your legitimacy instead of acting like every other cloud mining scam that came before you. Your insistence on acting exactly like a scammer has led you to be treated like a scammer and now your reputation is in tatters. |
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I'm sorry but i've still not been given proof/evidence that they are???
Do you or do you not know what a ponzi is? Here is what wikipedia says: is a ponzi: A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the operator. Here, are some of MineThatCloud's payouts: 0.0087 BTC was sent from 12wmRSVf1e6MTpmvGuUxreEXxbaRHkepuC to 1JgxteZWCuZLu4FnPUWv3Jxgj89QkFXLvX which sent 0.0087 BTC to 1844aNo5gAssVSmUmLwk6qG61uBNdQswH3 which sent 0.0001402 BTC to 12wmRSVf1e6MTpmvGuUxreEXxbaRHkepuC. 1PdvNQYCnWP9NftxE6gu5DvYVSnkgwnXu3 > 0.0087 > 1GSWxmZU3oHiyBA7PhoqE5ZrAN5YHtjbYx > 0.0087 > 1844aNo5gAssVSmUmLwk6qG61uBNdQswH3 > 0.0002804 > 1PdvNQYCnWP9NftxE6gu5DvYVSnkgwnXu3 1PdvNQYCnWP9NftxE6gu5DvYVSnkgwnXu3 > 0.0087 > 1LTcF4xkch1d5Gb5yTkbGCUsjspHp9KWVp > 0.0087 > 1844aNo5gAssVSmUmLwk6qG61uBNdQswH3 > 0.0002804 > 1PdvNQYCnWP9NftxE6gu5DvYVSnkgwnXu3 1s3DP7QaqwsRrTEn6UQBd9zPCmmvv6KW3 > 0.0087 > 1DzwbKnTXSJtnW2QXjE5EtV1TSSa5bDfki > 0.0087 > 1844aNo5gAssVSmUmLwk6qG61uBNdQswH3 > 0.0043462 > 1s3DP7QaqwsRrTEn6UQBd9zPCmmvv6KW3 Are you claiming that those payments don't fit the above definition of a ponzi? Are you claiming that those payments are fake? Based on the above evidence, any sane and logical person MUST conclude that MineThatCloud is running a ponzi. Now, given that they have been proven to be running a ponzi, it's all the more essential that this "service" provide proof of mining. That's another thing any sane and logical person would conclude. |
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