Judge Lauda "hereby confirming"... I hope the sources are good and foreign!

You're done. You've played your "sgbett is a conman" card - to which I have responded. I trust people will read and think for themselves.

Hey torque looks like you are as good at reading people as you are the market. At the time I was concerned about Bitcoin's highs and Lows it was 2017 we were fresh off the back of the first fork, I was still in BTC of course I cared. Lets recap:

7th Dec 2017 - Market opens around $14k at mid-day I start this thread calling top at $16,5k price is hovering just under $15k, to much derision and disbelief....



20th Dec 2017 - At 3PM you post this - the price is just over 17k, by end of day we were below.


14th Dec 2017 - At 4PM this would have been an amazing call to short BTC at just under $16,5 except you didn't realise it.


The day after you seem absolutely baffled that I can separate what I might want to happen, from what I think will happen. Has it crossed your mind yet that I'm just calling what I see? I like to predict things. I like to be right. Whereas you seem to be saying things you hope might be true. What on earth gives you the idea that core will increase the block size - have you really not been paying attention?


I suggest you go read what I said in this post I dont just predict price movements. I tell you plain as day what I see happening. (again, not what I *want* to happen. What I *wanted* to happen was for core to increase the block size do segwit as a HF and let hashrate decide. Fortunately that did not happen, because it led to where we are to day and that is a *really* good place from my perspective).

Jan 24th - At this point you can't bear what is unfolding so you just resort to this crap...


Well, you got 'em. Was $3122 low enough? Would opening a short at $16,5k and closing it at $4,1k have been a satisfactory trade?


I really do think BSV is Bitcoin, I know you all find this impossible to fathom. Consider this, I too have thought BTC was Bitcoin, I know what made me think that. I have seen both sides and have come to a conclusion based on the information I have. The way you characterise what I think as inconceivable demonstrates you haven't given it any consideration. You instantly reject anything that contradicts your long held belief, because to change your mind now is also inconceivable to you. It is literally painful. Mental anguish. I have felt it. I remember it even now. It hurt.

Trying to rationalise my action in that context inevitably leads you to err in judgement. My interest in BTC price is quite simple to explain. I'm still interested in seeing whether a forecast I made nearly 2 years ago plays out, because then I get to feel smart. So far so good eh! The battle for 8k is proving interesting isn't it. I've an 8 year posting history that you can psychoanalyse and decide whether 'desire to look smart' fits my personality type. Check Maslow's hierarchy of needs (theory of human motivation) right there under "Self Actualisation" is "Respect of Peers" I bob around in that area most of the time, as the layers below are mostly satisfied. I enjoy posts like this in which you fail to recognise that I called a massive selloff with uncanny accuracy. I'm just lucky though eh?


Where is the fraud. What have I asked of you, or anyone? What have I explicitly encouraged people to do?

Think, McFly. Think!

Hello I'm sgbett. My motivation for posting is being right on the internet, you may have met my sort before.

Flick back through the thread, and look for all the people telling me I was crazy for saying it would go below 4k.

Look for all the people that said my 16.5 top call was crazy.

Imagine how nourishing those posts are to my type where is everyone now, ah yes still here ridiculing me for suggesting that winter is yet to come. We'll see. Having no horse in this race makes it much easier to remain objective.

I look at all the information I have and I predict what I think is most likely. I've been watching BTC price for years and so I feel like I have a good handle on how it behaves over longer time periods - this thread is a good example, here's another example from a few years ago. Remember what I 'm saying will happen now was what I said many months ago; short term calls a crap shoot. I don't trade, and I wouldn't advise anyone else to unless they enjoy gambling and know that is what they are doing. I am not anti gambling - your sig is just fine (it's your reaction I'm interested in)

I still think Bitcoin goes to $560k, just that there has been a series of setbacks.

As to my comments on BSV, well you asked...

I honestly believe BSV is project that is most accurately delivering Bitcoin as I envisaged it would be all those years ago. I'm telling people what I think because I feel obligated to pass on the good news, to those that care to hear it. I certainly don't think people should go out and dump BTC and buy up BSV based on my opinion though. I cant stress enough that people should be going out and finding things out for themselves.

People could read about how BSV is being massively scaled on chain to allow for incredible new use cases such as Neon Planaria.

People could go read the old source code and look at the opcodes that were available in the early versions that hinted at what was to come such as OP_PUSHDATA4 (imagine having an opcode that pushes 4gb data to the stack, I wonder what that is for?)

People could go back through my post history to verify the claims being made about me by everyone in this thread that berates me.  

Note well,  that I am not telling anyone to do anything other than inform themselves. I am not telling anyone to believe what I say without question. People must decide what is true and what is not true for themselves. Do not trust me. Verify me. I believe in the truth, I am not afraid of the truth. Even if that means I am wrong about things.

Whatever slurs and accusations are thrown at me simply do not have merit. I am simply a reasonable person with an opinion that is different to you. Your actions speak much louder than your words.

The well is already deadly, but if you're looking to invoke forum rules to shut me up, I guess you could go down that route, but think on...

"You can't win, Lauda. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

I'm sure you and gmax gaming the trust system will give everyone what they need to make an informed decision. Alas, I could not give myself negative feedback to re-iterate what I posted above. I am not afraid of the truth.


Good job on diverting the thread btw. Sterling work. Do FortuneJack pay you per post? Looks wholesome that site, gambling *and* altcoins! You are so bitcoin it hurts. I assume you are making sure not to advertise to people that live in territories where gambling is illegal?

Look at me being concerned for other people's well being. so scam. wow.
 
Not investment advice. DYOR.

For *your* information im great at click-bait titles

Seriously though, yes you are correct. USCO is not the entire US government. It is the official U.S. government body that maintains records of copyright registration in the United States.

So I'm glad we cleared that up. I'm all for accuracy and honesty, like any good scammer always is.

Big guns are out! I must have a compelling case

Lets make it crystal clear what is going on here:

Any newbies (or in fact anyone) reading this, please don't trade based on anything I post.

To that end, I've added support for your flag warning others.

You'll note *my posts are not investment advice* in my signature . (You know that place where most people link to some pump and dump coin or ICO scam!)

Such scammer. Wow.

Might wanna get your story straight guys.

Wise words STT!

I honestly think that if you knew what was going on with BSV, you might have a different opinion. There is an incredible amount of information out there, about the services and solutions that are being developed. If you are interested it is easy to find.

Over the last 8 years everyone has been arguing about how to make bitcoin better. The truth is it never needed "improving". It just needed cleaning up. That's what nChain is focused on right now. They are committed to massive on-chain capacity, and a stable protocol.

Developers should not be arguing about changing bitcoin to add this or that functionality. It's unnecessary - instead they should be looking at what SCRIPT allows you to build *on-top* of bitcoin. Everything that is needed is already there. It always was.

You fail to understand, I'm not your enemy. I'm not your adversary. I'm revealing to you an opportunity. You can choose whether to take it, or whether to keep banging that tribal drum!

I understand exactly why people dislike him, and I understand why they think that is a rational position.

He is attacking every coin that isn't Bitcoin, because they are not Bitcoin. That's a massive threat to their "money".

However what CSW understands is that Bitcoin is not about p2p cash for money's sake alone. Establishing Bitcoin as valuable is just the bootstrapping phase, p2p cash is the incentive to get people to value it.

Bitcoin is not just a p2p cash network, but it is a global computer, network, computation, storage (it was all there in v0.1 for those that refuse to accept this).

It is run by miners, paid for by bitcoin, secured by bitcoin. All of this is only possible if bitcoin is *worth* something.

When you see it, it is glorious. It is rational.

your words...

"once we attain enough knowledge, and wisdom about human psychology, we too will realize that CSW = Satoshi"

read like a claim, but perhaps I misunderstood. I'll try and explain a bit better.

I said that for people with less information (ie those outside the crypto space, as opposed to people like you or I) its inevitable that they will look to an authority for guidance. That's what people tend to do. I'm simplifying of course, its a complicated topic. Here's some research on the subject .

None of this rules out the chance I am wrong about this type of behaviour, but if we assume its a fair characterisation then we start to reason things.

If people have low epestimic authority, then this predicts that they will benefit greatly from information they receive from someone they perceive to have high epestimic authority. That is to say, they will use this person as a proxy. What better proxy than "Satoshi Nakamoto" inventor of bitcoin!?

So, as I tried to explain before - regardless of whether he is or isn't, any firm resolution to that question is likely to have an outsize effect on the large majority of folk that are not in the space. It's probably mainstream media newsworthy. A "yes he is" would draw some pretty serious positive attention to BSV. A "no he isn't" would quite likely have a very different effect!

So, in reality, what you seemed to be saying was the opposite of what it most likely when it comes to all you guys that have been around a while (and seen a few pixels in your time). OG crypto guys are much more likely to benefit more from experimentally based information, because you are more likely to reject contrary information, as you have a high self-ascribed epestimic authority. (It's no coincidence that me having very close connections with a lot of key BSV folk, and understanding the work being done first hand, has had the influence it has - given your characterisation of me "glorifying my knowledge"

Yes, I too have seen a few pixels and as such have a high level of self-ascribed epestimic authority. I'm ok with that, knowing that about myself helps me be aware of the pitfalls it might create.

What it does help me to understand is that I'm unlikely to change your opinion directly, just by arguing about why he is, or why BSV is the real Bitcoin yada yada (though I might tell you thats what I think from time to time). I understand all too well the difficulty in having foundational understanding shaken and turned on its head. For people like yourselves, it seems likely that the only thing that could be of benefit to you is direct experience.

Beleive it or not, I'm not here to shill BSV and pump it so I can sell for gainz. I'm here because I think Bitcoin will change the world for the better, and I see that more clearly than ever now. I want you all to be part of it (I want everyone to be part of it!).

It seems that people are not happy with BSV, and I can understand that. You think BTC is Bitcoin, and BSV is some pretender. I felt exactly the same about segwit. I felt exactly the same about LN. Same story, different cast.

I was furious at Core for what they did. Outraged. Then as time went on, I started to realise there was nothing I could do, I just had to accept that was where it was going and hope for the best, I was in despair. I became morose. I feel the whole project was going to fail nothing could be done. (Check my activity, I all but gave up on the boards, from once being a regular).

The BCH fork was Both a curse and a blessing. On the one hand I could see that it was preserving the chain, but on the other hand - it was a minority fork, there were so many threats, so many people were against it. To go with BCH was to give up my long held belief in Bitcoin above all else. It was the most distressing and difficult decision I had to make.

So I know full well the dilemma that each and every BTC holder is facing. I know there is a full spectrum of opinion, im at one end whilst some are still convinced of the folly of anything other than BTC.

It was easier the second time round with BCH/BSV split -  I knew more than ever about protocol, design implications, development roadmaps and by now I'd become accustomed to being "the underdog". It seemed clear to me that arguments people were making against BSV were emotional - they felt threatened - and often centred around a dislike of CSW. That didn't seem logical, and made me all the more curious to find out what was really going on.

One of the great things about being the underdog... you've already "lost" so you are not afraid of having anything take away. Today I'm more calm about the future of Bitcoin than I have ever been. Could I be proven wrong again? Absolutely, and if I am I hope I have the good grace, and mental fortitude to accept that and act accordingly.

I wish you all the best of luck. Bitcoin isn't about "making money" (in a trading sense) - it already *is* money - it's become clear to me now what its real purpose was all along. It's about making a better world. I encourage all of you to honestly look at what is going on with metanet, and what this means for the future of mankind. If you all *really* dont care who satoshi is, then you equally should care about Craig. Look at the tech.

I don't want you to sell your BTC and buy BSV. I don't care what you are holding. I just want you to know about what BSV is doing, because it feels like 2010 all over again and you guys that beleived in bitcoin back then, deserve the first chance to believe in it all over again.

Where's the fraud? how much of your money has he taken? I can tell you he hasn't had a penny from me.


Aye, he stepped away. What if he came back? Why would he do that?

I am glad it amuses you


I've said nothing of human psychology WRT wisdom about human psychology telling me who is Satoshi. Rather awkward, given what you are trying to claim that would mean if I had.

I couldn't tell you there's no BSV community as such - people hold different beliefs. I think most people in BSV are receptive to the idea that he is, but then most would probably also tell you that it's not a big deal to them anyway. In particular the people building out services on top of BSV. They seem more concerned with stability of the protocol.

For those with reservations, that more often centres around what craig says and does, and how that reflects on BSV. Some were uncomfortable with his approach. I often wondered why he did things the way he does, but as time has gone on I think I've come to understand that better too. One of the most useful things I found throughout the history of bitcoin is being deeply embedded in "community". Information is useful. (in particular information asymmetry can be very useful!)

I think proof (or not) of Craig being satoshi, is likely to have much more of an effect on people who have less of an understanding of Bitcoin, blockchain, math, crypto in general, the history, the people etc that kind of information is much harder to gather and takes years of learning.

I'm not saying that "if you grok bitcoin then you think CSW is SN, and if you don't think CSW is SN you don't understand bitcoin". Far from it, i'm saying that people with lesser of an involvement with the space, and thus less information, will probably put more stock in whether or not he is/isn't as a proxy for figuring stuff out themselves. Thats not an inherently good/bad thing, just an observation on how I think human psychology works. Technically its the "appeal to authority" fallacy - if used to try and justify why BSV is Bitcoin - but I wouldn't go there!

I do grok the inner workings, ask me about script, opcodes, client optimisation for scaling, economic incentives, probability functions, attack vectors etc etc those are the things that I'm interested in and the thing that the SV team seam to be doing in a way that makes sense to me. The way core handled those things over the years would often make me feel uncomfortable. But I had much less of an understanding of the internals, so whilst it felt like they were going about things wrong I couldn't put my finger specifically on it. With the benefit hindsight, and the knowledge I have now, it's much clearer.

I'm sorry if that reads like the drama/debate you were trying to avoid. It's not intended to be, it's intended to be a comprehensive and honest answer to the question.

tl;dr everyone in BSV knows he is satoshi.

Once you know something, you don't really worry about what other people believe.

Where did you read it, Greg maxwell blog post? Roger Ver’s twitter feed? Check your sources.

In fact, why not check the actual source... https://github.com/bitcoin-sv/bitcoin-sv

(I could save you the time and tell you there is no such code, but that would mean nothing I guess)

I understand how uncomfortable it is to accept BTC is not *the* Bitcoin anymore, don’t forget I was here way before many of you and had spent years believing the same thing you all hold on to. I know how hard it was to let go. I can assure you that once you find bitcoin again and the uncomfortable feeling will go away.

Your irrational dislike of CSW will undo you. Maybe not everything is about him. Crazy thought, I know.

Seems like there is so much emotion clouding your vision, that you can't even see what is being spelled out! Now, where have I seen that phenomenon before.

There are two schools of thought:

One is look at the broad strokes, and see the general pattern in order that you can understand the big picture.
The other is nit pick every tiny detail that does not support your preconceptions, and in doing so fail to see the truth in front of your nose.

There is 19 pages of comments here, during which I lay out exactly what is going to happen, with revisions as new information arises. A few OG's recognising the same patterns of behaviour on the forum, which inevitably correlates to the wider psychology of the crowd, which inevitably plays out in the market moves you keep seeing (there is a reason it looks like a fractal).

Plenty of people jeering at the 16500 top call, which looked good....


Just to remind you exactly of the timescale involved - please do feel free to trawl my post history to see whether I had made any other calls that the top was in... (I hadn't, because it wasn't)



Then there was the $1000 bet that it wouldn't go below $10k. Still waiting to be paid for that one, I also predicted that he wouldn't pay. It's like I have a crystal ball

Plenty of people jeering because I dared to suggest that the correction would run as deep as $4k.


Then there was this....


In Nov 2018 I re-evaluated the major market trend that I'd forecast back in feb of that year. I said there would be an upswing to ~9500 which would be sometime around Q1-2 2019 and that this would precede the actual bear market.

Still so much anger and denial, people so focused on hatred for BCH and later BSV that they can't see straight. People still trapped by their emotions.


No BCH, No BTC, no altcoins. Just BSV.

Maybe I am irrational? Maybe I've been paying attention? Maybe this is just another thing I have predicted wrong

Not quite $9.5k but close enough...

Just a pullback right? BTFD right? Go on, I dare you. BTC is the real Bitcoin what are you afraid of? ;p



In b4 “You know nothin’ sgbett”

...drum roll...

It's amazing the level of proof y'all demand of CSW, and the lengths you go to hand wave away the mountain of evidence. He's spent decades, and billions on building nChain, filing patents documenting his inventions, fighting lawsuits from those that would seek to try and blackmail and or defame him.

All you libertarian, anarchist types so sure that Bitcoin is going to upset the status quo, but then can't make the glaringly obvious connection as to why so much time and effort would be put into trying to discredit CSW and stop BSV.

But somebody posts some theory about how  he's just going to perjure himself to the USCO, and trying defraud the court system, in order to "pump BSV" and you all just nod and pat each other on the back. Good job bois, you figured it out!

Well speculate no more lofty platitude wielder, you'll figure out far more if you follow your own advice. Who told you it was "meaningless" or did you imagine it? Why did they tell you it was meaningless? What was their *motive* for doing so. Guys need to start thinking for yourselves and doing the research... *YOURSELF* you won't always get the facts laid out on a plate for you, but here this one's for free...

https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap4.html#411

"(b), no civil action for infringement of the copyright in any United States work shall be instituted until preregistration or registration of the copyright claim has been made in accordance with this title."

Do you understand now why he applied for registration?... It's a necessary pre-requisite before taking legal action.

Trust, but verify.

That way you find out how you can trust later. It's how you build reputation, a network built around honesty. Otherwise you have to verify everything all the time which is totally unpractical. Kinda like Bitcoin.

https://www.copyright.gov/press-media-info/press-updates.html?loclr=twcop


Of course you want this thread to die. Every day more and more light is shone into the dark places. It must be terrifying.