That's the secret that shall be revealed soon, which is also our trump card.

will be on github soon.

We see no reason to hold your money while we ship the first batch of units, not to mention CNY.

We will take orders soon as we feel we have adequately taking care of streamlining shipping of the first batch.

Oh you guys, I think everyone is at a boiling point because of the delays made by our competitors.

We shipped, website will be updated shortly.

First unit goes to Jeff Garzik in honor for the work he has done for the bitcoin codebase being the only developer who ordered from us.

we also arranged to ship a unit to the Bitcoin Foundation, whom is going to do a demo.

The avalon team on the other hand is going to make sure the whole shipping process go smoothly. like handling DHL/EMS problem, and other custom issues.

cheers.

correct, I am making form for people to choose right now, should be ready in a few hours.

I have no time to "troll" unlike majority of people on this forum who don't even have the knowledge to make a educated guess when it comes to ASIC production where statements are made purely based on baseless assumptions.

See below for example:

I'm just calling on their lies made in the past now have surfaced like how they mentioned to switch QFN to BGA packaging in December whilst saying they are supposedly waiting a fuzzy date from the foundry on when the chip is coming around the same time, anyone with IC knowledge can tell you this is impossible. I'm not looking for any proofs because there isn't any.

FTFY. Historically BFL has only failed in every "impossible" task they have attempted, and till this date have no results.
  

Sorry Inaba, but you are completely full of shit.  Completely.
You've continue to refresh what I've thought was the rock bottom of your ability to construct a logical response. The delusional confidence you have from a mere simulation is laughable.

I wish you best of luck for when if you get your chips back at the end of this month a miracle descents and BFL is able to meet your 1.2w per Gh/s fallacy

p.s.
You are not the only one with 65nm simulations.


This is purpose of this thread and it should apply to every ASIC manufacture, Avalon included, but not limited to.


Really now? Maybe I should announce we'll be shipping at our original shipping date of end of Feb, 2013 due to "bad luck"

I've finally got a chance to read the forum in detail after leaving for awhile, now ( around 3am), before having to catch a flight around 7am in the morning. I must say the FUD surrounding the current state of ASICs is unbelievable.


I've began to question the literacy of the people in this forum. I left a clear message in the Avalon thread. I quote, "team members are going to stay and live in the factories to make sure everything work out smoothly". I, ngzhang and others then left to commit to work whilst giving everyone a clear countdown timer to the exact scheduled shipping date. What do I see in the Avalon thread when I come back? FUD.

In addition, I've also stated "we will not be providing any information until we ship" simply because we feel the strongest argument is an demonstration by a third-party customer, it doesn't even take the intelligence of a three year old to question the legitimacy of any pictures we provide; real or not, (maybe the same reason BFL_Josh said why he couldn't take any photos to the packaging facility he visited this month) and frankly speaking, I do not have any time to play babysitter like Inaba from BFL coaxing the community telling them "next week(s)" or by downplaying the direness of their situation in December and then proceed to have the audacity to announce a month later in January the fact that they switched from QFN packaging to BGA. It is important to know that is not possible to switch packaging after you have tape-out the chip.

Maybe Inaba; you were being left in the dark about all this. Since often you are waiting for a third-party to provide you "fuzzy" dates, from a foundry no less; any respectable foundry will give you an projection date and a expected date with difference not greater than a few days, because making ASCIs are pretty much an exact science. Just like the fact you didn't know the die photo you posted was blacken-out rather than it being "dense", it is not like it takes a genius to figure out BFL's 16 hashcore pipeline design. I wish you the best of luck Josh, for that moment when another third-party tells you another "fuzzy" date or an actual delay: You will be taking the blame, despite of being a good secretary and is in fact not guilty.

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Anyways, the real question I wish to raise to the community is the following

Delays are a common occurrence in start-ups. As frequent backer on Kickstarter and a project manager I experience delays first hand. When does a delay become an fraudulent event however is not defined clearly in an especially time sensitives market such as ASIC mining equipment? Is it one month? two, three, or even four month? what type of delay hold their merit? Chinese New Year, Custom Import problems, Chip testing and configuration, assembly time; All these are real and possible problems one may face in electronics manufacturing. Where do we draw the line? When is "few weeks later" not good enough?

Let's then look at performance. Where is the line there? History has shown BFL was not labeled as fraud when they failed to reach their advertised FPGA of 1000Mh/s & 20W release, but instead a 830Mh/s & 80w. Does this mean Avalon can release a product with 50Gh/s and not be a scam? Does it mean BFL can continue this trend and continue to release products with higher power consumption than advertised?

What does the community think?

You didn't finish reading, the second post on the front page as more information...

It has now been fixed. a small oversight. Unlike somebody, the difference in shipping date is only a few days and not a few months.

It has been changed to 18-20th, the countdown timer ends on 12:00:00am 21th.

The wire came in on the 11th of this month, a month plus late... I'm aware of this order, but due to it's nature being two wire transfers it did not complete automatically. This matter will be addressed.

Great.

So following that logic, I can expect shipping hard date on the 20th?

No comment, quoted for historical purpose.


You'll get your evidence as indicated by a very public countdown timer.

The real question is "When am I going to get the hard date Josh?"

Nope, nor I plan to tell you how we operate.

Anyways, I wasn't asking how you operate, I like many others, are just wondering when you are going to ship.

Still waiting on that hard date Josh.

Ok, I am waiting. Oh, don't change the subject. Don't worry about how we operate.

BFL. Echo chamber is strong, can talk shit about competition whilst not release a clear shipping date ever.

Yes of course, it'll be updated both on the site as well as emailed to you.

It will cause delay once we start shipping, it was pretty much a heads up before the 20th. I'll get to you guys early next week. I simply haven't gotten around to double check yet due to being swarmed.

You are missing the part where their advertised specification and released product was different. this has nothing to do with what chip they used. They did not meet their initial advertised speed of power consumption, which is why many, including knowledgeable people comment it on being a scam or a fraud initially.

I have no doubt BFL will eventually ship, although I highly doubt they will meet their 1W per 1GH/s rate though. History will repeat themselves, people just don't learn. Time will tell.

me too.