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2481  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: March 03, 2016, 02:07:51 AM
XT-cum-Classic agent provacateur hellobitcoinworld is having a very sad day full of many angry.   Sad



Hellobitcoinworld is extremely frustrated, wanting so badly to tweak Bitcon's scaling variable only to be told Sorry Not Tonight Dear.   Cry
2482  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: March 02, 2016, 08:37:46 AM
core can do the same.
If these features really are pointless and not noteworthy then just ignore it
Its feels like an awful waste to dismiss all code from anyone else simply because they're not your friend.
No. That's not what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that acting this way is disrespectful towards the people who did most of the work. If the code is good and useful somebody will present it to Core. You've quoted an earlier version of my post, I re-wrote it several times.

Maybe Core should just change licence if they don't like this kind fo dynamics.

That's how open source works, as long as a forking project respect forked project's license I see no harm in advertising a new feature developed independently by the former.

About your last point, trying to make your code into Bitcoin, especially a new feature, is extremely tiring and close to impossible if you do not belong to the group of devs that usually contribute to Core.

Just an anecdote: Peter Tschipper, the dev behind BU xthin, a few months ago proposed to include into Core a datastream compression scheme for blocks and txs that could have save 25% in terms of block space and improved network latency by 30%.

He did all the right things, starting from posting a general sketch of his idea to bitcoin-dev ml, refine the design based on feedbacks, tested it in reproducible manner and upon request provide a BIP draft including working implementation.

After a never ending process at the end the feature and its quite significant gaining wasn't merged, nor a BIP number was assigned.

Guess what Peter at the end gave up and contribute his work to other more receptive project.

It's my understanding that various compression schemes have been looked into and rejected, it's most likely that his code didn't break any new ground or worse opened up new DoS vectors. Failing that if it required a hard fork then it would defiantly be something for the back burners.

Classic, like XT before it, is an Island of Misfit BIPs.   Cheesy
2483  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Maidsafe coin price rocket? on: March 02, 2016, 03:13:49 AM
Hi, I bought about 2000 maidsafe coins a week ago and now if I sell I will make 0.11 btc profit Cheesy I could have invested more btc into it but there's no point in regrets. The price of MAID seems to keep going up. Will it keep going up or go down?

AFAICT Maid isn't even a solution in search of a problem.

They spend 10 years working on a vision of a roadmap towards a potential solution, which would still need a problem to solve, assuming it passes peer review and beta testing.

I'd invest in Maid, if and only if they could develop in more reasonable timeframes, and we didn't already have Tahoe-LAFS, TOR, i2p, Freenet, and new solutions like Zeronet.io, SIA, and Storj.
2484  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is a stampede for DASH Masternode redemption about to begin? on: March 02, 2016, 03:07:38 AM
I'm on the fence about dash.  I own some, not much, but I kinda like to hear the Dash skeptics speak.  I don't necessarily see this as FUD, just the cons part of pros & cons. 

Is Dash actually used anywhere?  I know that's a whole different discussion.

Dash isn't used anywhere.

The typical Dash user is so stupid they think artificial demand created by Ponzi-style Masternodes is equivalent to external buying pressure from actual good and service provision.

Last month, the smart/hot money in Dash started smelling the smoke in the theater and began quietly but quickly tiptoeing towards the exit.
2485  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: March 02, 2016, 03:02:36 AM
This is a good idea.  I think once Monero gets a better following then perhaps a bounty could be put up for setting up some basic node guidelines and maybe 6 initial nodes around the world could be set up. Strict guidelines for how they should be set up and updated should be established by the core dev team.  Question is who is going to pay for it.  Perhaps once more transaction fees are generated on the network then a small portion of that could be used to set up, establish and maintain some nodes around the world.  These nodes would be overseen by perhaps some of the devs or appointed trusted folks involved with Monero development.  Keep in mind I'm just thinking as i type so some of these ideas might not work.  I think BTC should have used a small portion of the transaction fees to establish better node integrity. If they had they might not be having the issues they have now with slow the transactions.  I realize Monero is very private currency but if a trusted committee oversaw these nodes it might build better network transaction backbone over the long haul.  Just a thought.  

Don't want to get to centralized but Monero has shown to be community supported and some small thing like nodes are something to seriously consider in the future especially if BTC users start using XMR for privacy.  After all using some funds to keep a basic network up 24/7 isn't encroaching on anyone's privacy and some of the developers out there might could use a well known established trusted node for their development projects.

Glad you like the idea.  The Core Devs already use some general funds to support bootstrapping nodes but IDK how many or where.

No point in doing my plan in a centralized way.  My vision was for individuals to step up and 'adopt' disenfranchised countries for nothing more than bragging rights, the nerdy joy of setting up servers, and the promise of adding value to the network/their stacks of XMR.

If finances constrained an otherwise willing participant, they could use the FFS or their sig space to request targeted donations.

The only problem I see with this is if specific nodes are associated with individuals.  The DashHoles would be like, 'hey let's ddos iCEBREAKER's nodes for lulz, Because Fuck Him amirite?'   Cheesy

Perhaps a Monero Donator Hall of Fame Annex is in order, to list Hero Mustangs in order of how many potential users they've provided local access to.
2486  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] IPO of MaidSafe:  Entering the Future of the Decentralized Internet on: March 02, 2016, 02:45:28 AM
There's no blockchain so the only thing left is something called "ownership". It's ownership of a 512-bit address. When you own Safecoin you actually own an address. And to change ownership from 1 person to the other, you sign a message getting rid of your coin and sign it over to another address. Your close group in XOR will confirm if you indeed are the owner. So they sign it as well, next to some other groups (I think about 100 nodes in total). So now the next node (or no node) owns that address. It has some groups signed it. The security comes from the fact that in XOR your close nodes don't know your IP-address. Only your relay-node does. But your relay-node just connects you to a group in XOR. You connect to the group using PKI so your relay-node knows your IP but not what you do in XOR. So when a group looks at a Safecoin address all they see is it was owned by "JfgjvkjVTFkgkhgfHTFHKGFkhgfk" and is now owned by "VVYTrytFtGHJVJHKJhjHJHJHJHJHJH".

All the encryption layers for SAFEnet

If there's no blockchain what does the PoW/PoS do?  Just ~randomize distribution?

If there's no blockchain, how is this an altcoin and not a separate project like i2p/TOR/Freenet?

What prevents Sybil attacks by forming honeypot groups?

This is an alt-coin. The Maidsafecoin can be changed to Safecoin when Safecoin goes live on the network. So you send you Maidsafecoin to an addres to burn, and Maidsafe (the company) will give you Safecoin on the system. So now we have 500 milj. Safecoin, what's next??

Well, as explained by @jibble Safecoins are created when someone delivers requested data out of his Vault to the network. So user A does a request for a Chunk ( a GET) and the Vault that holds the chunks will get that request (actually it's close nodes get the request). So when that node delivers that chunk (again, through it's close nodes) a Farming Request is done. So the close nodes will pick a random Safecoin address and when it's not owned, they sign it to the node that stored the Chunks and provided it to the network (to user A). And when 50% of all Safecoins are farmed (will take a very long time) half of all the Farming requests will fail because the address is already owned by a user.

Surfing/downloading data will probably be free on the network. But when you want to upload (PUT) data you ask your close nodes to do it for you. They say; okay, we will, but first you need to buy space using Safecoin. So you remove some ownership of Safecoin (the address that is) and that address (Safecoin) is now free to be farmed by a Farmer when his nodes pick this address at random. The address was owned but got free because someone uploaded data to the network. So Safecoins are recycled in a way an can only be created when people Farm (deliver data to the network). No POW or POS is needed. Well, the "proof of work" is that you got a request for a chunk out of your Vault and you delivered it to the network. Your group of close nodes (again, you can't pick your own group in XOR) will make sure you can't threat.

Read this topic to understand how you join the network and go from IP-level to XOR. It's quite magic if you ask me.

That's just a tiny bit too complex and convoluted to pass the smell test.  Actually it reeks of Rube Goldberg over-engineering.

Remember how the elegant simplicity of BitTorrent's tit-for-tat beat the layers of Gnutella cruft, and how TOR's onion routing (and i2p's garlic routing) won the race between private internets-within-the-internet?

I don't see that kind of breakthrough here.  If you can't explain it without sounding like jl777 explaining SuperNet, there's a problem.

I can describe the basic ideas of Bittorrent and TOR to my mom and dad.  Maidsafe?  Not a chance.  The best I could do is "Maid is like Freenet, except you have to pay to upload and without the 10 years of proven security."

For a science fair project, Maid has been in development far longer than comparable experimental software, many of which are based on Bitcoin blockchain tech and already in production.

EG: https://zeronet.io/ (thanks https://torrentfreak.com/play-p2p-impossible-shutdown-160301/).

Sorry, still not clear on how Safecoins can be anonymous+private+unlinkable without using ring signatures.

So users are required to pay in order to store data.  That sounds like SIA and Storj.

There are persistent rumors Maid has some unique value/selling proposition, but it continues to elude me (and not for lack of searching).
2487  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: March 02, 2016, 12:17:27 AM
With the recent DDOS attack on specifically the bitcoin classic nodes, I wonder how much of a weak spot such an attack is on Monero.

Monero currently has +/- 150 nodes. So significantly less in numbers. Would such an attack be feasible? And what would happen if such an attack would last for some time?

I can as well imagine a scenario that most nodes are under attack, except the potential malicious one of the attacker.

Let's try to get high-availability, high-performance Monero nodes spread as widely as possible.

Ideally, we'd have one or two in every data center (and behind every anti-ddos specialist) on the planet.  Not that AWS is anything great, but the concept/execution here is pretty slick: https://classic-cloud.net/

But how about first filling in the largest holes in global/political/demographic coverage, as according to https://monerohash.com/nodes-distribution.html?

We could start 'adopting' countries and putting up nodes in their capitals.

I propose prioritizing Australia, Bangladesh, Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Chile, Egypt, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Israel, Kuwait, Mexico, New Zealand, Nigeria, Pakistan, Philippines, Thailand, Turkey, UAE, and Vietnam because their local nodes-per-citizen ratio is zero and for several international bandwidth is at a premium.

The list is partially based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_by_population
2488  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] IPO of MaidSafe:  Entering the Future of the Decentralized Internet on: February 27, 2016, 08:37:12 PM
There's no blockchain so the only thing left is something called "ownership". It's ownership of a 512-bit address. When you own Safecoin you actually own an address. And to change ownership from 1 person to the other, you sign a message getting rid of your coin and sign it over to another address. Your close group in XOR will confirm if you indeed are the owner. So they sign it as well, next to some other groups (I think about 100 nodes in total). So now the next node (or no node) owns that address. It has some groups signed it. The security comes from the fact that in XOR your close nodes don't know your IP-address. Only your relay-node does. But your relay-node just connects you to a group in XOR. You connect to the group using PKI so your relay-node knows your IP but not what you do in XOR. So when a group looks at a Safecoin address all they see is it was owned by "JfgjvkjVTFkgkhgfHTFHKGFkhgfk" and is now owned by "VVYTrytFtGHJVJHKJhjHJHJHJHJHJH".

All the encryption layers for SAFEnet

If there's no blockchain what does the PoW/PoS do?  Just ~randomize distribution?

If there's no blockchain, how is this an altcoin and not a separate project like i2p/TOR/Freenet?

What prevents Sybil attacks by forming honeypot groups?
2489  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: February 27, 2016, 06:21:55 PM

P> Announcing BitcoinUnlimited v0.12.0



Quote
Xtreme Thinblocks
BUIP010 Reduces real-time block propagation sizes by an average of 15x (i.e. 1MB down to 70KB) returning the network overhead for newly mined blocks to the state it was in June 2012

Xpress Validation
BUIP010 Superfast block validation leverages the earlier validation of transactions which are in the mempool so that only previously unseen transactions in a block need full validation.

Traffic-shaping
BUIP001 Users can easily configure how much bandwidth should be used for Bitcoin, allowing the BU client to run unobtrusively in a home network.

this seems like good stuff, what's your take on it iCEBREAKER?

does Core have or plan to have this?

Core has bandwidth throttling.  IDK if the other two ideas are in BIPs.
2490  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] IPO of MaidSafe:  Entering the Future of the Decentralized Internet on: February 27, 2016, 10:23:58 AM
Is there a another thread for SafeCoin?

How are SafeCoins made safe and anonymous?

Ring signatures?  CoinJoin?  Something new?
i will try to explain

They are on the network and exist , the only data field is who owns it, cryptographically secured , having to reach consensus and cryptographic proof to change ownership , this because it isn't actually transferred anywhere, the coins are always in the same place, you only need to change the ownership field with 1 line of code, allow for instant transactions , from what i read , i think it requires more than 1 group of nodes to come to consensus to change ownership, so not only 1 group of 28 out of 32 agreeing , but 4-6 different groups of nodes all coming to consensus and agreeing which should be possible to happen in milliseconds usually. This also means that if someone was somehow able to control a single group of nodes they are unable to do anything dangerous or damaging to the system just sort of temporarily troll it, this is infinitely harder to do as the network gets larger.

OK, I get there's a quorum system.  But in what framework of cryptographic primitives does that quorum system operate?

Is there a Bitcoin-style blockchain or Cryptonite-style mini-blockchain?  How is the taint from previous coin owners obscured or removed?
2491  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] IPO of MaidSafe:  Entering the Future of the Decentralized Internet on: February 27, 2016, 04:13:37 AM
Is there a another thread for SafeCoin?

How are SafeCoins made safe and anonymous?

Ring signatures?  CoinJoin?  Something new?
2492  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: February 27, 2016, 02:46:33 AM
In the latest news from Jerusalem...

Tensions between Team Unlimited and Classic's Censorship Martyr Brigade are running high.


https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/47mj3i/announcing_bitcoinunlimited_v0120_experimental/d0e74s6

P> Announcing BitcoinUnlimited v0.12.0

Q> This is a bad idea.   All you're doing is stirring the pot and giving ammunition to those who would paint us all as idiots and trolls.
2493  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's Great Schism - A Compendium on: February 27, 2016, 01:05:27 AM
What about this article?  I think it deserves a mention here also because it points out some of the concerns of those not directly involved in its development but who might hold an interest in the scalability.  I found it pretty interesting and germane to this discussion.

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/mit-media-lab-director-joi-ito-speaks-up-on-bitcoin-technical-development-environment-cm585158

Borrowed from this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1377654.0

That's a good overview, thanks!
2494  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: f2pool not supporting roundtable was Re: 「魚池」BTC:270 Phash/s - LTC:500 Ghash/s - New Server in U on: February 27, 2016, 12:17:51 AM
Only in your fanciful hyperreality does "miners can't mint 1m coins == miners have little to no power"

You are distorting what Prof. Sirer's essay actually says.

Perhaps if you bother to RTFA, its conclusions would seem less like "fanciful hyperreality."
2495  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 27, 2016, 12:12:27 AM
Speaking of shorts, it looks like our mystery shorter dumped 3000 more borrowed coins and may be placing some of that imposing sell wall.  
  
At this point they may be 'pot committed' and will get liquidated at an increasingly narrower margin of error.  They will continue to pile shorted coins on to avert the loss, digging their hole deeper and deeper until the slightest buying pressure creates a titanic liquidation of their position.  
  
Mystery shorter, you are playing a dangerous game.  Good luck, and I hope you will recover from the impending loss in time.

If there is a Monero Bearwhale (couch, Otoh, cough) he's got pockets deep enough to avoid margin calls.  Let him keep borrowing XMR, so they must eventually be repaid with (hopefully non-dust) interest, preferably raising the bottom of some local minimum in the process.
2496  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: DASH Collapsing Monero UP on: February 26, 2016, 11:08:19 PM
XPOST because DashHoles love to go crying to the Mods and getting 100% on-topic posts removed:

Seems like we have a downwards breakout... I hope that 130 BTC support at 0.006 is not a "subtle" hint from whales on where it is going.
Looks like this wall is pulled , ideas?

Let's make a soda machine.  Oh wait, that was already done.

How about coffee mugs?  Hmm, tried that too.

Well I'm stumped.

Only ~30 Masternodes worth of Dash between Here and Zero.

Remember when you guys believed the price was going to stay above 0.01?  Aww, sweet memories!

How is Monero doing, champ? Cheesy

Here is the XMR/DASH price chart from the last 100 days:

2497  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: f2pool not supporting roundtable was Re: 「魚池」BTC:270 Phash/s - LTC:500 Ghash/s - New Server in U on: February 26, 2016, 10:58:20 PM
Miners have little to no power in Bitcoin.  If you insist on hanging around and opining, you really should lean how all this stuff works.

Here's a good place to start:

http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/01/03/time-for-bitcoin-user-voice/

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It is a common misperception that Bitcoin miners determine the shape of the blockchain. So common, in fact, that I had an academic colleague fall into the same trap, where he thought miners could arbitrarily decide to mint 1 million coins for themselves.

[Fonzie_shark_cliche.jpg]


Who is jumping the shark?  Prof. Sirer, me, or both of us?

Quick, go tell Cornell their CS Dept. has a shark jumper among the faculty!  I'm sure they will care about your opinion.
2498  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: f2pool not supporting roundtable was Re: 「魚池」BTC:270 Phash/s - LTC:500 Ghash/s - New Server in U on: February 26, 2016, 10:40:52 PM
It's about time to end this close-door roundtable consensus process.
Complete goes against Satoshi's consensus-forming process.

wrong. satoshi's "consensus-forming process" is PoW a.k.a. hashpower. what we are seeing now is nothing else than the miners trying to find a mutual solution before they make eventually use of their power, which is totally fine and a sign of respect.

Miners have little to no power in Bitcoin.  If you insist on hanging around and opining, you really should lean how all this stuff works.

Here's a good place to start:

http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/01/03/time-for-bitcoin-user-voice/

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It is a common misperception that Bitcoin miners determine the shape of the blockchain. So common, in fact, that I had an academic colleague fall into the same trap, where he thought miners could arbitrarily decide to mint 1 million coins for themselves.
2499  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: f2pool not supporting roundtable was Re: 「魚池」BTC:270 Phash/s - LTC:500 Ghash/s - New Server in U on: February 26, 2016, 10:32:29 PM
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@petertoddbtc

@JihanWu False nVersion settings risk accidentally triggering safety warnings, or worse, triggering forks; nVersion is consensus-critical.

https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/702726905435389952
2500  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: GavinCoin AKA "Bitcoin Classic" 2016 Roadmap on: February 26, 2016, 07:58:38 PM
Is this new coin? How I can mine it?

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/47f0b0/f2pool_testing_classic/

It might be down though.  Honey Badger can get a little defensive when somebody tries to steal his honey.

I love Chinese  Grin
So it's SHA???

Yes, you can use regular sha256 ASICs to mine it.  Like Namecoin, Classic supports merged mining with Bitcoin (at least for a while).
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