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2601  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2016, 06:10:12 AM
i have a dream! i dream of large corporations/governments competing for blocks with 100,000's of 0.00001BTC fees


I have a dream where a bitcoin is worth $400,000 each three halvings from now so the blockreward is over a million bucks and miners still won't care about fees.  

If BTC value doubles more frequently than the blockreward halves, fees will never be needed to sustain miners. Of course BTC can't grow exponentially in purchasing power forever, but it can in nominal terms if the U.S. Dollar ever hyperinflates.

Forget about the (obscurant, biflationary) USD nonsense.  Think in terms of gold oz and oil barrels.  We all know fiat is burning while the BIS throws gas on the fire.
2602  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 20, 2016, 06:02:51 AM
By Christmas, my guess is Monero will be between $5 to $7

I am not even going to try to speculate on what the XMR/USD rate is going to be 10 months from now.

You seem to be in the wrong sub.  Did you get lost on the way to the Buttcoiner's Honey Badger Obituary thread?   Undecided

10 months speculation is like, the minimum around here.

Now tell us how many 100s of oz of gold each XMR will be worth (in your opinion) in 10 years.   Grin
2603  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 20, 2016, 05:28:46 AM
To me it looks like in 2016 Monero has resurrected from the death.
A lot of new people commenting here, the price trendline is turning into bullish (for obvious reasons).
We might see pretty hefty price tag on Monero a couple years from now. However, still Monero is cheap like crab. Definetely Monero is a great buy at any price under 100 usd per coin. Later once people outside of crypto discovers it, the good buying point is in thousands of dollars etc.

There was some trenchant analysis in (IIRC) Frap.doc's old Gold thread about how Bitcoin's near-death experiences were critical for and instrumental in future growth.

Besides the chaos/systems/probability theory stuff about adversity and antifragility, there is the economic instantiation of the same principle.

Even in biology, we observe the necessity of pruning vines and peach trees to ensure the next harvest maximizes yield and quality.

The weak hands do us no favors; the sooner they are removed from the marketplace the better.

Monero in weak hands is a form of resource misallocation, which by definition impairs positive development.

At this point, with the GUI, multisig, and RingCT coming Sooon, there is no excuse to be holding bags of shitty fake-anon coins like Dash (especially after Professor Shen's spectacular destruction of Shadowcash).

Monero is under a dollar.  What the fuck are you waiting for?  Christmas?
2604  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: February 20, 2016, 04:24:13 AM
your scale
your quote list

It sure is easier to discuss me than defend an epically ignorant statement like

"Cryptography has never been a significant part of cryptocurrency - even though it may share the first few letters"

isn't it?

Gmax's (inexplicably unamused) response burned away any residual academic respectability you may have once had.

Dash is exactly what he was referring to when he mentioned that your "failure to understand and respect these considerations has resulted in a lot of harmful garbage and dysfunctional software."
2605  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: February 20, 2016, 04:09:33 AM
What is your beef with academics?  Did you get a really shitty SAT score and start growing that chip on your shoulder in high school?

Maybe I'll leave the readers of both our contributions to decide who's the academic between us.

I'm not surprised you'd rather deflect, with an appeal to populism, criticism of your anti-intellectual derping than defend your prejudiced view of academics' role in crypto (while claiming to be one, which by your own knuckle-dragging standard implies you are not trustworthy).

As for the readers' decision, it should be easy given you have zero credibility on the subject left after this famous charbroiling:

Cryptography has never been a significant part of cryptocurrency - even though it may share the first few letters. It works on a system of digital signatures.
It would seem that you actually do not understand what cryptography is in the modern sense.

A fundamental nature of information is that it wants to be freely copied everywhere to everyone. That any bit is equal and indistinguishable from any other bit of the same value and that any bit is eventually known to all who care.  Cryptography is all that technology by which we hope to confine and constrain the nature of information, to put up fences and direct it to our exclusive purposes, against all attacks and in defiance of the seemingly (and perhaps actually) impossible.  Digital signatures are cryptography by any modern definition and utilize the same tools and techniques (for example, a DSA signature is a linear equation encrypted with an additively homorphic encryption), and suffer from most of the same challenges as the message encryption systems to which you seem to be incorrectly defining cryptography as equivalent.  Moreover, the use of digital signatures isn't the only (or even most relevant) aspect of cryptography in cryptocurrencies-- e.g. the prevention of double spending of otherwise perfectly copyable and indistinguishable information in a decentralized system is a cryptographic problem which we address using cryptographic tools, and-- like all other practical cryptography-- achieve far less than perfect confidence in our solution. As are more modest ends like interacting with strangers but not being subject to resource exhaustion from them.

Far more so than other sub-fields of engineering, cryptographic systems are doing something which is fundamentally at odds with nature and share an incredible fragility and subtly as a result (and perhaps all are failures, we have no proof otherwise).

A failure to understand and respect these considerations has resulted in a lot of harmful garbage and dysfunctional software.

On a scale of 1 to #REKT, how would you rate that burn?   Cheesy
2606  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 20, 2016, 03:14:28 AM
...

This is my new favorite blanket question to whenever Bitcoin maximalists say things like...  
  
  • SIDECHAINS!
  • LIGHTNING NETWORK!
  • PRIVATE ADDRESSES!
  • MAGMA BLASTS!
  • ICE CRYSTALS!

...are going to make Monero obselete.  It's the "Satoshi's Coin's Test".  Will this let Satoshi move his coins without anyone knowing?  If the answer is no, I'm happy for you, but leave me alone.

There is actually a even simpler answer to the above: 1 MB blocksize limit.

FUD all you like.  Honey Badger is antifragile.  You can't make him give a shit.

That is a feature, not a bug.   Smiley
2607  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 20, 2016, 03:12:19 AM
I think we are gonna hit a new high soon but I wish we tanked for awhile until that wall douchbag dumps. I won't be buying for awhile.

I don't recommend trying to time the market, especially a particular market so arguably distorted by underpricing as Monero's.

Just buy your ticket, get on the train, and play on your smart-phone until it leaves the station.

Don't sit in the bar rationalizing just one more tasty margarita, because you might not have time to take care of the check when the all-aboard whistle blows.

What about Confidential Transactions and side chains? Won't this put a damper on the demand for alts like XMR?

Not at all.  CT validates the idea there is an important distinction between (trivial) protocol-level fungibility and "100%" fungibility as commonly understood above and beyond the protocol, in the greater socioeconomic context.

Specific to XMR, Shen's work extending CT for use with ring signatures (RingCT) demonstrates the Monero Research Lab is a cryptographic powerhouse.

Besides ETH's binary sharding Patricia Trees, Monero's RingCT is the hottest (unclassified) tech in crypto.  And it is the more firmly grounded, less speculative/experimental/ambitious of the two.
2608  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is a stampede for DASH Masternode redemption about to begin? on: February 20, 2016, 02:55:48 AM
Déjà vu

Who can see the similarities between this performance chart and the one in my original post? At what point can we call this a trend?

[img]https://i.imgur.com/7FAbWMf.png

Now that Shen has destroyed Shadowcash by de-anonymizing their entire blockchain, the market is wondering which coin with "bad crypto" is next in line for an Epic Pwn.

Dash is a prime candidate.  It uses a 'special' version of CoinJoin, which was unfavorably (to put it mildly) reviewed by GMAX, the inventor of CoinJoin.

Thus, Dash's market cap is and will continue leaking into Monero's, as the market rewards XMR's good (ie peer-reviewed) crypto and punishes Dash's bad (ie homegrown from a secret recipe) crypto.
2609  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 20, 2016, 02:49:35 AM
I think we are gonna hit a new high soon but I wish we tanked for awhile until that wall douchbag dumps. I won't be buying for awhile.

I don't recommend trying to time the market, especially a particular market so arguably distorted by underpricing as Monero's.

Just buy your ticket, get on the train, and play on your smart-phone until it leaves the station.

Don't sit at the bar rationalizing just one more tasty margarita, because you might not have time to take care of the check when the all-aboard whistle blows.
2610  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: February 20, 2016, 02:44:58 AM
Almost everything on and connecting to your computer, trusted or otherwise, was developed by academics

Indeed.

But money was not created by academics. It evolved over centuries and the monetary media concerned were chosen by ordinary people, not academics, based on their ability to see and verify the integrity of the said medium.

The more you can see and verify, the more valuable the monetary medium. The less you can see and verify, the less valuable the monetary medium.

I don't need to convince you of that principle. Satoshi already understood it and built it into bitcoin. The fact that there is no counterparty underwriting the numbers in a bitcoin address means that the public is the caretaker and counterparty and therefore has to see everything. That includes the balances at all addresses, the transaction ID and the movement at each end.

Saying that "it's all taken care of by math" is b.s. The shadowcash experience has demonstrated that and ring signatures, stealth addresses and all other toytown trainspotter spyware are now toast because of it. (They always were to me, I just didn't expect a practical example to arrive so soon).

A cryptocurrency that doesn't have transparency isn't money. It may be a conduit for money, but it isn't money in its own right.

There are many monetary mediums.  Only some of them are money.  And only some types of money are good money.

Aristotle was the first to define good money.  Aristotle was a student of Plato.

Plato's Academy was the first higher learning institution in the Western world.

What is your beef with academics?  Did you get a really shitty SAT score and start growing that chip on your shoulder in high school?

Don't you realize academics are just "ordinary people" that happen to have a much higher scholastic aptitude than your own?

The anti-intellectual derping might work on your NASCAR and dog-fighting forums, but here in crypto-land we highly prize and cherish our brilliant peers and learned professors.

Pushing the narrative that Duffield's folksy homespun crypto is better than what those fancy-pants four-eyed nerds can up with is going to be a hard task, especially once you leave the cloistered, parochial confines of DashTalk.   Wink
2611  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: February 20, 2016, 01:32:45 AM
With no cryptanalytic peer review to back up Dash's claims of privacy with actual mathematical proof, bagholders are getting nervous.

Most everyday users of technology would not trust an academic as far as they could throw them. When it comes to money, they trust what they can see, not what they can't see.

You'll excuse me if I find your historically infamous/hilarious opinions on cryptography and academia less than persuasive.   Cheesy

Almost everything on and connecting to your computer, trusted or otherwise, was developed by academics (albeit in conjunction with the military-industrial complex).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#University_and_work_on_computability

http://www.mit.edu/~prz/EN/background/index.html

http://www-ee.stanford.edu/~hellman/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIND

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_sockets

Like Shadowcash, Dash will find out why "good crypto" is peer reviewed by eggheads in ivory towers, not slapped together by some ginger in his garden shed and marketed like snake oil.
2612  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: February 20, 2016, 12:03:24 AM
OK this is getting weird now, check 2 day chart on https://www.poloniex.com/exchange#btc_dash .. red candles and volume spike.

The new roadmap is a losing proposition.  Evan is crazy to think he can do distributed storage better than STORJ, SIA, and MAIDSAFE.

Shen may decide to de-anon Dash's entire blockchain like he just did to Shadowcash.

With the example of SDC, we've seen how quickly bad amateur crypto can kill a coin.

With no cryptanalytic peer review to back up Dash's claims of privacy with actual mathematical proof, bagholders are getting nervous.

The carrot of hope for future growth is fading with the memory of the soda machine and the original Darkcoin vision, but the stick of a Shen-type epic pwning looms ever larger.

Thus Dash is entering a self-reinforcing vicious circle of selling and pessimism, also known as a death spiral.

2613  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 19, 2016, 10:05:05 PM
In Agar.io you can be pretty confident the mega bubble doesn't really care to gobble you up, so long as you stay beneath a certain size. 
 
This guarantee breaks down if the mega bubble gets bored and eats you out of spite, or you become large enough to look tasty to it, or you accidentally hang out with enough other bubbles your size to appear as a tasty net meal. 
 
Agar.io is possibly the greatest market metaphor humanity has ever created and I feel like I'm one of the few who realizes it. 

I prefer chopcoin.io (you can win/bet BTC), but agree on the profundity of the game.

It's not just distilling the essence of financial markets, as agar-type games recapitulate the ontogeny of biology and the evolutionary trade-offs involved.

The Hermetic principles are on full display in that brilliant cross between Conway's Game of Life, Go, poker, and [favorite first person shooter].

"That which is Below corresponds to that which is Above, and that which is Above corresponds to that which is Below, to accomplish the miracle of the One Thing."

The basic dopaminergic mesolimbic joy of grazing on energy pellets, the existential terror of being eaten, the pressure to adapt/react/strategize all at once, the wonders of the Kybalion illustrated...

Quote
"Wow this is fun...I am a happy little bubble...nom...nom...nom...bloop...bloop...bloop"   Cool
"Oh man that was close!...Haha, got you chump!"   Cheesy
"ZOMG that fat fuck just swallowed me whole!...I hate this stupid game!"  Angry
"How much longer until the next round begins?"   Tongue

Chopcoin is a great model for faucets as a fun, addictive means to gain Proof Of Humanity.

I'd love to license the code for XMR and use it to distribute tacoshis.  Maybe I'll put up a FFS thread after the GUI is done.
2614  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 19, 2016, 06:25:24 AM
The part about wealthy people wanting to store their money without being tracked is probably true.

The other side of the coin is when a wealthy person looks at monero they probably see a new technology that needs to stand the test of time.

The third thing is, they see the marketcap of Monero and begin to laugh.
If your networth is more than the marketcap of the coin, why on earth you should put (most or all of) your money into it?

Because some high networth individuals possess Ivy League caliber intellects and see where this (morally hazardous) NIRP trend is going.

EG the Winklevoss bros buying BTC at $30.

Oh wait, smoothie didn't say anything about putting "most or all" of their money into crypto.  That was just your strawman version of his posts.  My bad.
2615  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 19, 2016, 06:15:02 AM
Ring signatures give rise to an event horizon, so that no information about your transaction can escape to be observed.  Your private key adds an extra dimension, allowing the key holder to view the naked singularity powering each XMR wallet, and observe the transactions it contains.  A view key adds a wormhole into the event horizon from ordinary 4-spacetime.

This is great stuff, a Diamond Mountain Cab of conceptual metaphor.

Monero is mo' nero than Darkcoin, Shadowcash, or Zcash.   Cool
2616  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [SDC] ShadowCash Uncensored: Zeuner, Zero Knowledge, Zero Trust. What Happened? on: February 17, 2016, 06:31:32 PM
there is nothing to argue about with the tech

we have had the Monero dev in here throwing all sorts of insults at ryno and the team but he cant evaluate the code.



https://www.deepdotweb.com/2016/02/17/shadowcash-deanonymized/
2617  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 17, 2016, 06:04:21 PM
111k dump...interesting...
Lots of margin, I am guessing.  Squeeze should come quick, if so.  Someone remind me where to look up the margin positions on poloniex?

They don't publish it. You can only infer some things from watching the lending market

You can also do recon by offering XMR loans around key resistance points.  They act as trip wires to tell you when there is real demand from the short side.
2618  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 17, 2016, 07:05:48 AM
111k dump...interesting...
Lots of margin, I am guessing.  Squeeze should come quick, if so.  Someone remind me where to look up the margin positions on poloniex?

Can confirm lots of margin.  I've got >1k out at rates well above the normal dust generation.

https://poloniex.com/lending#XMR
2619  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Monero under 25 cents? What the hell are you waiting for? on: February 16, 2016, 11:58:30 PM
bumping this thread because XMR is mooning us all.

New thread: Monero under one dollar? What the hell are you waiting for?
2620  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: DASH Collapsing Monero UP on: February 16, 2016, 11:43:18 PM

[lulzy conspiracy theories]

From a coin with a shitty daily volume of 20-30k/day USD few weeks ago it grew to 800k volume. Give me a break.

So, prior to today, what have you been doing with this account, Herp? Last post before jumping on the losing side of arguments was on Neo & Bee back in 2014. Maybe you should go back to the rock you lived under for the last 2 years.

Oh and thanks for the insight, asshole. Real helpful here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.msg6026369#msg6026369

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42    Economy / Securities / Re: Neo & Bee talk (spam free thread)   on: April 01, 2014, 07:59:45 PM
@uhoh

We've heard from Danny on Monday. Let's give it few more days at least for more updates. Danny is working to come before us with something concrete, like a resolution and a plan to move things forward. He said as much in his Monday statement. Let's give the guy a breather and a few days to work things out.

We can be passive and moan about it, give more ammo to competitor paid shills, fall into their traps or try to be proactive and help out as much as we can. I'm personally not much of a fan of the lazy distant type of investor, who sits on his ass waiting for the paycheck to come. We can all get involved to help Neo grow, each one of us can contribute to the efforts. If not by actually promoting it and helping out in a direct way, we should at least keep our emo fits and tantrums in check.

Be sure that if Danny doesn't come forward with specific statements, he has good reasons for it and many of these are in the best interest of shareholders. I can mention a few in PMs if you want.



Dash collapsing, Monero UP.  Herp #REKT.
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