$500 million long leveraged in one single exchange? That's simply mindblowing. What could be his exit plan? People with that kind of money to throw around don't get that rich or risk that kind of money without some sort of edge. I would say he has inside information. In fact, I would say a lot of people have the information and that's why we are going to continue vertical until the news breaks. That may be true, but notice how these types of bonkers positions never happen on legit exchanges like Coinbase Pro or Gemini. It's always on the fucking shady Chinese exchanges, where there is no transparency and nobody can really verify anything. The order books could be completed faked or trumped up.
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Of course I mean the Old world ALTs what else would I mean. And he used the terms "NONE have endured" which is patently false, what part of that is hard for you to discern? AFA the "nouveau shitcoin crowd" let them burn. You listed a pile of exceptions yourself.
I'm a little grouchy this morning do to over exertion yesterday so I'm not really mincing words. BTW that LTC spiral was not just a scene bad patch it was a shitcoin that got pumped by the chinese and ridden all the way down, it didn't correlate to the market as a whole at all.
Cool, no offense taken. I get grouchy sometimes too. And I agree with you about the Chinese pumping and riding the shitcoins down. I wouldn't be surprised though to see it happen again with the shitcoins. Their valuation, if you can call it that, makes zero sense. The vast majority of "the crypto market" is an illusion. Bitcoin as a true innovation stands in a sea of literal garbage.
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None of the major alts have ever endured a full crypto winter. Even ETH launched at the bottom of the crypto winter and was straight uphill from there. Undoubtedly this has been a learning experience for the Masters of the Altiverse.
I'm not defending alts but this is just patently false. In what way is Hairy's statement patently false? Sure if you mean the old world alts of pre-2014 back *before* the current nouveau crop like ETH, XRP, DASH, XMR, etc., all the ICO garbage... then yeah, they had a pretty hard bear market. I remember LTC dropping from $48 all the way down to $1.20. But the nouveau shitcoin crowd has yet to see a significant crash. And trust me it's thin all the way down. Just look how that one whale trader on Coinbase was able to crash ETH all the way down to $0.10. And that was just like ONE guy (or one small colluding group).
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Well I believe Roger and Craig are fuckwits, so they could of contributed, but that was a big bubble so no doubt the bear market had a lot of contributors. Why do you rule the Chinese out as buyers though? I am not saying they are solely responsible and I know that the Chinese control the market is pure bullshit. But, that doesn't mean they can't contribute to these things. The Chinese obviously have a lot of money and if you look at the worlds housing markets you can see that they are very keen to get their money out of China. Despite the capital controls they are still able to do this with ease I might add. So, why wouldn't they be trying to escape a devaluing currency? that's what I'm doing with Bitcoin. The 2013 bubble run ups happened almost exclusively due to the Chinese exchanges driving it, they had a super small market to work with, thin float (low liquidity), and massive amounts of leverage (X1000) going on at the time. That's why the volatility was so high. The massive leverage was the key, and a lot of that leverage was likely naked long/short. All fingers point to the Chinese exchange owners themselves and their super rich whale trader friends running the game. Who else could back that shit but the insider traders themselves? Of course they had to have accounts on Mt. Gox and some other exchanges as well to help control things. But it's clear the game was largely over for the Chinese when the PBoC first shut down leverage, demanded transparent accounts and reporting, and then shut down the exchanges. That kind of out of control volatility wouldn't happen the same today (without Bitcoin derivatives that is) because the Bitcoin market is so big now, so many exchanges now so the loss of control, and that kind of massive leverage just not available anymore.
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No one here has been smug about being above it for a long time. The problems that led to your Donald will lead to our Donald. Resources are thin. It's only a matter of time before the tension between the poors that are already here and all the poors we keep inviting in gets to snapping.
Buy why o why do these guys keep missing the mark? The politicians that are responsible they should be gunning down are that way ----->>> Capital Edit: or are you using our national tragedy to bolster support for your personal handguns fetish? Please don't do that.
Wat? No. Tragedy is sad anywhere. But pointless gun control debate now a moot point, because this : https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/19/us/3d-printed-gun-settlement-trnd/index.html
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Another bull trap?
Or have we officially entered the "This is a sucker's rally" phase?
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Hey Hairy, since you like lovely, incriminating photos, here's one for ya. Itza veeerrry niiiice. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimage.ibb.co%2FkVdUid%2FHillary_kkk.jpg&t=662&c=2MsSD6PDsVzfzA)
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When I was a kid the TV told me that I need to hate the Russians. Then things changed in the late 80s and the TV told me I can like the Russians. Now the TV is telling me to hate the Russians again.
When can we start hating the Chinese? I really want to hate the Chinese. I don't feel like a real American unless the MSM tells me I gotta hate some nationality. Unless you missed it that's /s
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Still relevant ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimage.ibb.co%2FjWGYPJ%2FPolitical_Truth.jpg&t=662&c=l4i1U6cxLlX0ng)
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Seasteads are not going to stay autonomous, even if they start out that way. We got a more or less global collapse coming.
![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgflip.com%2F2edcwy.jpg&t=662&c=Rj7BIJvaJPZGXQ)
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I make a prediction that it won’t. I make a prediction that it wouldn't fucking matter if they squeezed the ethereum float to the absolute moon, making it worth a billion dollars. It's still a worthless shitcoin asset with no valid use case, that has yet to find any fkn reason to exist other than enabling the trading of a bunch of other worthless shitcoin assets with no valid reason to exist. It's like the greatest con in the history of worthless cons. Next to Theranos, of course... lol.
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One of my best friends is also deep in crypto .... I saw his older brother joining crypto late 2017 , he went to all possible crypto conventions , invested very much of his savings , after 2 months later he was educating my friend: telling which shitcoins to buy and knew everything there is to know , today while eating with my friend he told me again his brother and father lost all of their believes in crypto. They didn’t saw there accounts or any news for over 2 months and are not Going to conventions anymore.... So Many noobs getting closely depressed by over investing .... He didn’t sell his holdings but I think its a Guy with No btc but mostly crap alts.... What to say how to help these Guy’s they don’t mean iT bad but Just want to get rich on a few days, weeks maybe months but we all know iT doesn’t work that way :-)
Same mentality of people that get into multi level marketing schemes. They don't get rich after a few months and then drop it all. You can't help them.
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I was thinking about that the other day. Imagine an alien watching us humans as we travel through space gathering gold.
"Why do they expend so much time and resources to gather that metal? Is it vital to their survival? Do they need it for food or to reproduce?"
"No, they just gather it and hide it away in metal boxes so that other humans don't take it."
Warren Buffett made this exact argument about gold. The thing is though, any civilization of beings sufficiently advanced above a barter system would need *something* (physical or digital) to store work value as money. It doesn't matter what the thing is, it just has to exhibit all the essential properties (e.g., rare/scarcity, fungibility, durability, divisibility, secure, proof of work, etc., etc.) for that race's encapsulated existence. Shared belief among the beings does the rest. It's all about shared belief that something has value, because the thing in and of itself really doesn't. It becomes more of a problem on a galactic scale, of course, unless you control the whole galaxy. Then you can dictate the universally accepted monetary system.
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Gee, I wonder if the whales involved in the current bear raid on Gold had anything to do with these rumors ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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gawd, how does this place go down the shitter so quickly ?
bronie pics, racial baiting, nasty taxation debates ... and we only dropped less than 1% in price.
Blonde girlz rule, taxes are theft, bitcoin is money ... let's move on now?
You can only talk about "the wall" so much... but I'm going to do my part and stay on topic for a while. Had to give HairyMaclairy extra merit for actually posting some TA, while the rest of us just ramble about a bunch of nothing... ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) At the end of the day, we're all here for the same reason.... Go Bitcoin Go!
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You can choose to bask in the freedoms that you have and the freedoms that you make for yourself or to focus on and be resentful for the freedoms that you lack. All the time you spend lamenting the freedoms that you lack is time that you aren't spending building a freer life for yourself. I just find complaining about a 3% gas tax or the fact that there is an outside possibility that you will be robbed if you are carrying massive amounts of cash on the road to be so counter productive.
You're not wrong, in fact you're right. The first step to taking the red pill and "waking up" is realizing all of those things, and how you want your own personal life to go a different way from the sheeple masses that don't seem to mind or care about the constant neutering of career growth, rising taxes, debt burdens, and erosion of personal freedoms. Once you're woke though, even if your working to build a freer life for yourself, you're still going to bitch about the state of affairs quite a bit. It's like a moral obligation to constantly bitch and point all those things out, in the hopes that you helped to wake up and "free" another sheeple that might be reading one's blatherings, lol.
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^ WTF is that?
Something that ur just gonna copy and paste about 2 pages from now ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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