لقد تم التطرق لهدا الموضوع بالتفصيل في مسابقة Chipmixer السابعة يمكنك الاطلاع على الموضوع ومحاولة جمع المعلومات فهيا مبعثرة بعض الشي ولكن باطلاعك على كل التعليقات سوف تكون قد فهمت كل شي تريد فهمه https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5300978.0اعتقد جميع النقاط التي تطرقت اليها موجودة هنا باستتناء هده النقطة فسوف اقوم باجباتك هنا وبعد ان يتم بث البلوك كيف يربح بقية المعدنين او بالاصح ماذا يستفيدون من المراجعة اذا كان اول من يربح الجائزة هو اول من يجد البلوك.
بقية المعدنين لايكسبون شي, الشخص الذي يجد البلوك هوا من يكسب جائزة البلوك هي 6.25 حاليا ويكسب تكاليف كل التحويلات, المعدنين الاخرين يكسبون 0 بتكوين, ولكن يجب عليهم التأكد من صحة المحاولات التي تم ادراجها في البلوك السابقي لانه في حال كان هناك تحويل خاطيء فسوف يجعل كل البلوكات الجديدة خاطئة: مثلا, عندما تجد ان بلوك وتضيف فيه 1000 تحويل, يجب عليا انا ان اتأكد ان ال 1000 تحويل الذي ادرجتهم انت هم تحويلات صحيحة, لانه في حال انا وجدت بلوك وقمت بالبناء على البلوك الخاص بك فسوف يتم رفض البلوك الخاص بي ايضا من قبل العقد الاخرى لانه مبني على بلوك يحتوي تحويل خاطيء, لذلك من مصلحة الجميع ان يتأكدو من كل التحويلات. السبب الاخر الذي يفرض عليا مراجعة التحويلات الموجودة في البلوك الخاص بك هوا لتجنب اعادة اضافتها في البلوك الخاص بي, عندما استقبل البلوك الخاص بك اقوم بأخد ال 1000 تحويل وازالتهم من mempool الخاص بي لكي لا اعيد ادراجهم في البلوك لانني ان فعلت ذلك فسوف يتم رفض البلوك الخاص بي. |
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seems like a bad psu on machine 3? What are my options? a new psu?
If you did replace the 2 fans on the PSU and saw no difference, i.e you confirmed it's a dead PSU, then your only option would be getting a replacement, unfortunately, bitmain is out of stock so you will need to search for it, where are you located? |
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If the miners were to be Whatsminer m3 or m3x would $150 per unit be a good price? Electricity over here is about $0.04 per kW. My calculations said I would be making about $2,600 a month with 60 machines.
In theory and based on the current figures you shuold be able to make a net profit of $75 a month per miner, which means ROI will be 2 months, which is just about perfect, but since these numbers do change, you would never know, however, $150 is indeed a great deal given the fact that they go above for above $200 in China. |
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cryptostashman
احتاج ان اعرف الى الكميات التي تخطط لشرائها لكي اقترح عليك البائع المناسب, بعض الباعة يشتغلون على الكميات الكبيرة فقط (اسعارهم ارخص طبعا) والبعض الاخر يبيعون اي عدد سواء كان قطعة او 10, لذلك اخبرني بالعدد الذي تنوي شرائه وسوف اقترح عليك, يمكنك ايضا ارسال رسالة خاصة ان كنت لاتريد الافصاح عن اي معلومات هنا.
بالمجمل انا اعتقد ان الشراء الان هوا امر فيه مخاطرة عاليا نظرا لارتفاع الاسعار, الوقت المناسب للشراء قد فات, ولكن لكل منا وجهة نظر.
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But in terms of using diff to estimate hashrate, there is no correction. The block reward amount does not come into the equation for diff correction...
Difficulty increases by 10% because of the halving, if not for the halving it would in theory increase by 20%, I think this is getting complicated when it's really simple, and since it isn't a crucial point maybe we should just leave it that way. They can't deliver those 37k miners until October because they have to wait for the chips.
This is one of the main reasons I base my theory on, so if they can't secure enough chips for 37,000 miners until October, what are the odds that they will be able to get enough chips for 500,000- 1,000,000 miners? even if TMSC pushes its production to the max or beyond its normal production rate, is that going to be enough? Let's hypnotically imagine that bitmain has to deliver a total of 100,000k miners by October, maybe 37k for riot, 10-20k for individuals orders over their website and some retail and the rest goes to other whales like RIOT, so 100K miners for 10 months is 10K miners a month, they need to increase their production by a factor of 8 to make enough gears to double the current hashrate, is it normal for bitmain to be able to secure enough chips for 10,000*8 = 80,000 miners a month when there is no chip shortage? it's unlikely that chip production has dropped by close to 87% because this is the only way bitmain is going to get 8 times the chips. In other words: No chip shortage = 80,000 gears With chip shoratge = 10,000 gears Shortage % = -87.5% Do we really have a -87.5% shortage? I highly doubt it, so maybe the normal supply rate without shortage is just 2-3 times higher than now at best, so instead of 10k miners, they will make 30k miners? that's just about 400k miners per year. The flip side of this, maybe Bitmain decides not to expand production even though demand is sky high, and then sell fewer miners at a much higher price point. Just seems like in the past, they do the opposite, and sell a ton of gear at prices low enough to try to really hurt their competition.
I believe, that they know very well that this demand won't last long and it's too risky to expand, they have made this mistake once with the overproduction of S9s which they had to sell for insane discounts, the only way I see them expand is if they ... secure contracts with all those giant >100MW farms.
And that is a big IF. Anyway, these posts will be interesting to read when it's 2022. |
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2 dead fans usually mean a dead PSU and not just bad fans that need replacement, you can double check by using the 3rd working fan in one of the bad fan's slots, if it works, then it's a matter of fan replacement, if it does not, then it's a bad PSU, which is more likely than not.
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Taking the 1/2ing into account would make 2020-2021 15.5T to 42.8T = 176%.
I have not had enough sleep for days, but I don't think my math is that bad, 15.5 to 21.4 means we had a 5.9 hashrate increment, if not for the halving we would (in theory) have had double that which is 11.8, so 15.5T + 11.8T = 27.3T or 76%. I think your mistake was multiplying the total difficulty of 21.4 by 2 to make up for the halving, keep in mind that 15.5T of that is the old difficulty which has nothing to do with the theoretical new difficulty, do I make any sense? In the 1st quarter of 2019, Bitmain had a revenue of >$1 billion. At $2500 a miner, that would be 400,000 miners in a single quarter.
IIRC Q1 2019 was when bitmain got rid of all the S9s they had, the majority of them must have been made prior to that, I highly doubt they made 400,000 in 3 months, also, it was probably easier to make those S9s compared to the S19, seeing that a whale like RIOT blockchain has to wait until October 2021 for a relatively small order of 37,000 miners to be fully delivered suggests that Bitmain is nowhere near making half a million miners in 2021, but well, as you say, they will want to make it work and they could find a way. So between all the manufacturers, I don't think it is that far-fetched to think we're going to hit another 100% increase.
Given the current situation, I would be very surprised if we hit 40T by Feb 2022, however, this is the lowest number one should expect just to be on the reasonable safe side. 3) 100% increase for the next year and 100% for the next one.
Does this sound logical?
I understand that this I very generic way to do it with many assumptions.
If I was going to buy a mining gear tomorrow, I'd just assume that we will at least hit a 100% difficulty increment every year, bitcoin price will not go past its current levels and my gears will die in 12 months, and then I'll run the numbers based on that, so if, with the assumption that my new miner will make half the profit it makes now and can't ROI before the end of the year, I won't be buying that gear. |
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BitMaxz, seems like you did not disassemble any of the new bitmain shitty gears, the 6pin cable design is long gone, and probably will never return, they now use a busbar like style, you basically have two metal pieces of + - that are directly attached to the hashboards (pain in the butt to take out on the S17 pro version), sometimes if the screws are a bit lose it will cause a hashboard not to run and report 0 Asics especially the one to the most right where torque (if that is the correct term) is at it's lowest, but most certainly doesn't seem like the problem which OP is facing.
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اعتقد ان المحفظة التانية او الحساب التاني يستعمل نفس السيد ولكن باختلاف قيمة ال Account والتي تكون افتراضيا قيمتها 0, ويمكن للمحفظة ان تنشاء لك حساب جديد (مجموعة جديدة من العناوين) تحت حساب جديد قيمته 1 او 2 او غيرها, يبدو ان ماحدث هنا هوا ان العنوان الاخر كان موجود على الحساب رقم 1, الاحتمال الاخر هوا كون ان العنوان الذي يبحث عنه قد تم استخدامه ك change من قبل وهنا يجب تغير الاعدادات من external الى internal بتغير القيمة من 0 الى 1, واعتقد ولهدا السبب طلب منه الاخ اوميقا تغير هده القيمة عند تغير رقم الحساب, في العادة بتجربة 0,0, 0,1, 1,0 و 1,1 سوف تحصل على العنوان الذي تبحت عنه. |
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I can help you with the numbers and then feel free to play with them as you see fit, I will only go back to as far as 3 years ago, as I believe values from previous years are very, very different and probably make little to no sense today (in fact even values from less year make little sense, but do hold a lot more weight than the old era when a thousand S9s would make a whole lot of difference). Difficulty values from 15-2-2018 to 15-2-2021. 2.874674234
2.967853338
3.007383866
3.2335814
3.290605989
3.381698122
3.462542391
3.494288843
3.511060553
3.796188328
3.839316899
3.943557223
4.022059196
4.138123233
4.143878475
4.219142059
4.306949574
4.415593342
4.940704886
5.024546461
5.077499035
5.172892177
5.363678461
5.199615302
5.178671069
5.595791656
5.949437372
5.949437372
6.19783992
6.389316884
6.505039002
6.72722547
6.971177231
7.019199231
7.031329606
7.152633352
7.364268059
7.454968648
7.427362643
7.182852314
7.183013626
7.184404943
7.175974755
6.653303141
6.194015746
5.646403852
5.621092246
5.106422925
5.248509607
5.618595849
5.862614532
5.883988431
5.836655169
5.814661936
5.894008795
6.061518831
6.06408179
6.07184605
6.071216044
6.068891542
6.368919654
6.379265451
6.379562392
6.393023717
6.357721118
6.353030563
6.554050172
6.702169884
6.703779555
6.704632681
6.747104133
7.459680721
7.411481914
7.409399249
7.868124125
7.93471322
8.58744535
9.064159826
9.033161131
9.013786946
9.890230142
9.985348008
10.01679887
10.18348843
10.68557238
10.77199666
10.95842971
11.89059496
12.01767456
12.7598194
12.87476027
13.00809167
13.06910849
13.69148004
13.66989171
12.72000527
12.79578964
12.97323597
12.95595155
12.87684209
12.89283761
12.94859342
13.031658
13.79878383
13.8190097
14.77636754
15.20380671
15.46609894
15.52113495
15.54674577
15.50935056
15.48691344
16.0767726
16.55292397
14.14355904
13.91252405
14.3974826
14.71521406
15.6248434
15.95865233
16.0798316
16.10480749
15.21370306
15.13804325
14.47708913
13.73235211
14.26597408
15.78474431
15.78461889
15.78421755
16.57039522
17.34594887
17.30915518
16.84756161
16.87170719
16.94780233
17.34094534
17.55799304
17.44533271
17.34599781
19.14829089
19.3146564
19.3007089
19.29808719
19.52968552
19.99733599
17.86527354
16.78777961
17.04059881
17.59680106
18.15852838
19.15715472
19.1446679
18.67016856
18.60003415
18.59959305
19.36516671
20.6074183
20.73708601
20.82353115
21.38445104
21.43439596
A percentage representation of each adjustment of the above values: 1.331956946
7.521405447
1.763511764
2.768247978
2.390641204
0.9168538
0.479974924
8.120844708
1.136101987
2.715074769
1.99063861
2.885686943
0.139078543
1.816259447
2.081169909
2.522522398
11.89220798
1.696955745
1.053877685
1.878742695
3.68819372
-3.058780657
-0.402803513
8.054587397
6.319851363
1.68098E-11
4.175227545
3.089414481
1.811181393
3.415605465
3.626335438
0.688865003
0.172817072
1.725189302
2.958836236
1.231630736
-0.370303434
-3.292020885
0.002245794
0.01936954
-0.117340091
-7.283632284
-6.903148491
-8.840983248
-0.448278349
-9.156037625
2.782509093
7.051263496
4.343054554
0.364579645
-0.804441795
-0.376812271
1.364599697
2.842039125
0.042282463
0.128036853
-0.010375847
-0.038287269
4.943705299
0.162441945
0.004654783
0.211007025
-0.552205039
-0.073777302
3.164153033
2.259972203
0.024017158
0.012726037
0.633464267
10.56122114
-0.646124261
-0.028100514
6.191121038
0.846314748
8.226285083
5.551295613
-0.341991937
-0.21447846
9.72336268
0.961735621
0.314970105
1.664100137
4.930372813
0.808794163
1.730719522
8.506376099
1.068740444
6.175444716
0.900803206
1.035602974
0.469068181
4.762157675
-0.157677097
-6.94874885
0.595788829
1.386755612
-0.133231368
-0.610603236
0.124219274
0.432455703
0.641495005
5.886632588
0.146577192
6.927832452
2.892721613
1.725174671
0.355849349
0.165006088
-0.24053396
-0.144668353
3.80875867
2.9617348
-14.55552463
-1.633499688
3.485769707
2.206854294
6.181556946
2.13639857
0.759332763
0.155324271
-5.533157905
-0.497313571
-4.366179313
-5.144245652
3.885874523
10.64610253
-0.000794557
-0.002542604
4.980783318
4.680356995
-0.212116908
-2.666759675
0.143317924
0.451022212
2.319728507
1.251648597
-0.641646922
-0.569406781
10.39025315
0.868826969
-0.072212033
-0.013583499
1.200110297
2.394562249
-10.66173242
-6.031219879
1.505971658
3.26398299
3.192212707
5.499489413
-0.065180999
-2.478493458
-0.375649598
-0.002371485
4.116077469
6.414876856
0.629228298
0.416862515
2.693682861
0.233557184
Simplified figures: Feb 2018 to Feb 2019 : 2.8T to 6T = 114.29% Feb 2019 to Feb 2020 6T to 15.5 = 158.33% Feb 2020 to Feb 2021 15.5T to 21.4T = 38.06% Keep in mind that the last year had the halving event, so the easiest thing to assume here would be doubling that increment, so it's more like 76% rather than 36%, I believe with a very high probability that the trend of difficulty will keep rising regardless of price, but will rise a lot slower than it used to. It can't do 114% like 2018, can't do 158% like 2019, and can't do 76% like 2020, so maybe 50%? this will take us from 21.4T to maybe 32T, 50% of the current hashrate is about 80EH, each 1EH is 10,000 S19 pro, so 80EH is 800,000 S19/S19 pro, just about a million mining gears, I would be very surprised if we could go beyond that. |
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I just got an offer to buy some used ASIC miners for a very good price, possibly. But I can't find anythng about a miner called M3 v2.9!  Because there is probably no miner named M3 v2.9, there is only M3 and M3x which some people call M3 v2, this could be some modded miner with some weird brand based on the M3x, a bit overclocked with an extra 1 or 2 terahash, there is plenty of such gears in the Chinese market, the other possibility which is more likely is that your source is a scammer. |
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ولكن نقطة اختلافي مع mikeywith في الرد ادناه ان خيار المفاضلة (البقاء في mempool ( ليس الرسوم وانما ما تحمله كل txs من الباياتات
اعتقد ان هده النقطة واضحة للجميع ولايوجد فيها اي خلاف, البقاء في ال mempool سيكون مبني على اجمالي المدفوع مقارنة بحجم المعاملة وليس حجم المعاملة فقط بل ال sat per Vbyte. نقطة التعدين او انتاج البلوكات الجديدة ليست واضحة عندي لذلك فلربما @mikeywith يعطي المزيد من التفاصيل ولكن حسب ما قرأت فان حجم البيانات بكل txs هو الاهم كما انني قرأت انه يمكن للمعدن حتى اختيار معاملة ذات رسوم اقل لان nonce قد لا يظبط. اسف علي المعلومة السطحية ولكن مجددا نقطة انتاج البلوكات ليست واضحة لدي حسننا الان نحن نتكلم في موضوع منفصل, البقاء في ال mempool والدخول فعليا في بلوك امرين مختلفين, بخصوص نقطة ادراج المعاملات في البلوك نعم يوجد بعض الحالات التي يكون فيها حجم المعاملة عائق في اضافتها للبلوك وهنا قد نقوم بأختيار معاملة ذات تكاليف اقل ونترك معاملة ذات تكاليف اعلى ولكن فرصة حدوث هدا الشي هي نادرة ولاتحدث دائما. سيناريو: البلوك لايمكن ان يتجاوز 4,000 وحدة (نستخدم هدا الرقم لتسهيل الشرح) نقوم بترتيب المعاملات فنجد انه يوجد 101 معاملة تدفع اعلى sat per vbyte وليكن 100 ساتوشي , ولكن اجمالي حجم تلك المعاملات هوا 4100, مما يعني انه يجب ازالة واحدة من تلك التحويلات ال 101, وهنا سنقوم بازالة اصغر معاملة يكون حجمها اكبر او يساوي 100, وليكن حجم اقل معاملة 200, الان لدينا اجمالي 4,100 - 200 =3900 يعني انه لازال يمكننا اضافة معاملة بحجم 100 , ولكن للاسف فأن في فئة ال 100 ساتوشي للبايت لايوجد الا معاملة واحدة متروكة وحجمها سيبب تجاوز ال 4000 هنا نقوم بالبحث في فئة ال 99 ساتوشي على معاملة يكون حجمها 100 او اقرب, في هده الحالة نقوم بادراج معاملة دفعت 99 ساتوشي واستتناء معاملة دفعت 100 ساتوشي. يحدث هدا الشي ايضا في حال ان المعدن استقبل التحويل بعد ايجاد ال nonce وحل البلوك, وفي مثالنا السابق وبينما اكتر معاملة تدفع 100 ساتوشي ان وجد المعدن حل البلوك وبعدها مباشرة استقبل معاملة تدفع 101 ساتوشي سوف يتجاهلها ويقوم بنشر البلوك الاول اولا تم اضافتها في ال blocktemplet القادمة, لان اي تغير في التحويلات الموجودة مسبقا يؤودي على تغير ال Merkel tree ويتغير حل البلوك كليا. اتمنى ان اكون اوضحت هده النقطة بشكل جيد. |
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This strong opening then a pull back has happened last few jumps an interesting pattern indeed.
It's my awesomeminer auto-tune scheduler, never mind it. I'm just anticipating a huge diff spike when the semiconductor fabs eventually get their shit together so manufacturers can start flooding the market.
If we all agree to what "huge" is in terms of difficulty, I still stick to what I said months ago, the days for huge diff spikes are probably over, it doesn't matter how the world develops, there are many reasons that will help slow difficulty growth. First, let's all remember that the current hashrate is 160E, so when we get a 3% diff, which translatest for to a 3% of 160E (in the simplest way of doing the math) we are talking about 4.8EH, this is already huge, the beast of all time S19 is nothing but a 0.0001EH (it's 110th not 100 but simplicity is good  ), so assuming this 4.8 is coming from S19, we are talking about 48,000 S19s, that's 144MW worth of power, this is already SO huge, how more huge do you guys expect the world can offer? I am also counting on the fact that neither bitmain nor the semiconductor makers are stupid enough to risk investing in new lines of productions for the sake of making sha256 mining chips, knowing very well that the bull market won't last forever, the price will settle, mining won't be as hot and the next halving is inevitable, Bitmain knows very well how it feels like when nobody wants to buy their gears, I still remember them giving us thousands of dollars worth of coupons and sending us all the promotions to sell their gears, they almost had to advertize themselves like a new business that nobody knew about just to be able to sell, they know very well how the market acts when the bear shows up and say hello. One more thing is the technology limitation, what improvements does that S19 pro has over the S17 pro? the stock firmware on the S17 pro version can do 36w/th, the S19 pro does 29w/th, what will S21 pro do? 24w/th? I mean we can't get to 0 or a negative wat/th, and we are getting close to the physical limitations of planet earth, there will be no more new beasts introduced to the game when S9 arrived, it changed the game, the 17 series slightly tweaked it, the 19 series hardly left a print, the 21 series will have a small tiny improvement over the current generation, which does not worry me at all. The market (diff and price) will eventually correct so that the 5c power guy is marginally profitable with newer gear, and that is going to make the >55w/th gear worthless for 5c power and higher Couldn't agree more with this, diff will climb slow and steady, maybe some weeks will have some larger ups than the others but overall we should climb up, price is way extended, it could, of course, do another 100-200% but it will eventually correct when the price starts to go down a week after week when difficulty isn't, that's when joe who bought an S19 for $15,000 yesterday will look in the mirror and wonder, "why on planet earth did I do that". |
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I said in the very first post in this "long" thread: ... if the PSU is dirty or isn't getting enough air flow it i will stop.
You have even suspected that the back of the PSU was getting hot, looks like your initial troubleshooting went wrong and led you (and us for that matter) into thinking it was something else. And FYI, this isn't an S19 only a problem, it's common with the 17 series as well, the S17 Pro is kind of an expectation due to its high efficiency and relatively low overall power consumtion, of course, weaker fans on the S19 PSU could make this problem even worse, but bad PSU airflow is a very common problem. Thanks for reporting back (most people don't), it was quite a ride, but we all learned some stuff along the way. Mine on. |
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... try to go to Miner config and reduce the start frequency to 575.
The chances of him finding that option is probably 1 in 10, out of the many firmware versions bitmain had, only 1 or 2 had those options enabled, the rest give you exactly ZERO options to chose from.
Chain[J6] has 63 asic
Chain[J7] has 63 asic
Chain[J8] has 57 asic
There are a few things you need to troubleshoot, this seems like a bad PSU, but to confirm this, unplug chain 8 (usually referenced as chain 2 on the control board) and then start the miner, and then report your results, also you should not be using nicehash while troubleshooting, use a proper pool for testing. |
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أعتذر عن رفع الموضوع لكن أردت فقد اعلامك و اعلام كل من قد يكون مهتما بشراء بطاقات كاش يو أنه أصبح من الممكن القيام بذلك عن طريق موقع Bitrefill: https://www.bitrefill.com/buy/cashu-international/?hl=enلم أقم بتجربة البطاقة، لكن يبدو أنها (و على عكس بطاقات موقع كوينز بيي) متوفرة في معظم الدول العربية. شكرا على رفع الموضوع واضافة المعلومة, اعتقد ان كاشيو حصل فيها نوعا من التجديد واصبح هناك نوعان من البطاقات البعض منها اصبح لايتم قبوله في معظم المواقع, لست على دراية تامة بالتفاصيل ولكن انا متأكد انه يوجد نوع من بطاقات كاش يو شبه عديمة الفائدة الان وسعرها اقل من البطاقات الاخرى, طبعا نحتاج لشخص يفهم هده المواضيع جيدا ليضيف لنا بعض التفاصيل بالخصوص. |
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I think he also needs to use the asicboost stratum URL. stratum+tcp://sha256asicboost.LOCATION.nicehash.com:3368 All the new gears come with asicboost enabled by default and for some weird reason, some of them won't work on the normal Sha256. OP, what is the voltage at your farm/house? |
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The Pickit seems like the smartest choice here for a small scale operation and rare use situations. Also, thierry4wd's post provides a good reference to get things off the ground along with information in this thread. Would you recommend the newer Pickit4?
It's more than likely going to do the job just fine, but the price is more than double, the Pickit 4 has more features than the 3 version which you probably will never use, I'd say stick to Pickit3. |
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2021-02-11 01:07:46:temperature.c:754:get_temp_info: ERROR: chain 1 can get NONE temp info or temp value abnormal, power it off
is that the problem?
It is a problem, the control board doesn't seem to be receiving any signal from 1 or more of the 4 temp sensors on that chain, the default firmware needs 4 out of 4 sensors to work, custom firmware like Vnish will need at least 1, but I am not sure if they have developed something for the S17e version, you will have to check asic.to and AwesomeMiner. Assuming you indeed have a bad temp sensor then that will fix it, but keep in mind that it's not so likely, the more likely is you have a problem with one of the chips/heatsink, I have explained this issue in great detail here. |
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So I was checking old accounts on various different pools that I used before (Antpool, Btc.com, Slushpool and etc.) I realized that I have over $100 worth of BTC dust on some of these pools, I have been on Viabtc for a very long time so the last time I touched any of those pools was probably at the bear market with prices below 6-8k, a 5$ worth of bitcoin when it was at 5k is now 45$, you could be surprised at how much money you left on the old pools you used.
The sad part about this is that the minimum payout isn't reached yet, so I had to point some gears to old pools I thought I left for good.
Remember to change your payout to say 0.5 BTC or turn-off auto-payments so that you won't have to leave dust there again.
Good luck.
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