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2901  Economy / Collectibles / Re: A new 2-sided Bitcoin Keychain on: October 19, 2013, 06:58:02 PM
bitcoins keychain was awesome but now with new Litecoins you are rocking just outclass work by you hope very soon I have a order for you for these keychains  Grin

I'm going to need more too.  Holidays are coming and these keychains also make good ornaments and gifts, every stocking and tree should have at least one!
Think of all the people you know that need one.
Here's one for your pinky, also good as Hanukkah geld:  Wink



Sorry, couldn't resist that.
2902  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The NEXT generation of Physical Bitcoins... on: October 19, 2013, 06:16:53 PM
I bought one. Received confirmation of shipment.  Waiting for delivery...

I just bought as well.  The price is far less than an hour of Lawyer time.  Smiley
2903  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The NEXT generation of Physical Bitcoins... on: October 19, 2013, 06:03:09 PM

I'm happy to tip for that work.  Was there any case history from the 20th or 21st century? 


Thanks for anything you can offer, I'll probably just end up sending it back to you to get one of your pieces.

There have only been a handful of cases decided on this, most were 19th century.

In the 20th Century there were:

U.S. v. Gellman, 44 F.Supp. 360 (D.C.Minn., 1942) - innocent
U.S. v. Yeatts, 639 F.2d 1186 (C.A.Ga., 1981) - guilty
U.S. v. Falvey, 676 F.2d 871 (C.A.Me., 1982) - innocent

In the 21st there is the von NotHaus case, which is not yet case law (the case is still pending, it has not yet been concluded, nor has it been evaluated for appeal).  I am confidant that von Nothaus will be found innocent as well, though his life/career has more or less been ended by the last half decade of this malicious prosecution.  His project, which began as a philanthropic effort to free money from its shackles and which effort inspired others to follow in his footsteps (including Bitcoin's wise founder) has been thwarted by this misapplication of the law and its heavy hand.

Some of the facts of the cases:

The closes set of facts to ours yielded a positive result for us:
The only case in which an individual who issued his own private currency was ever
directly charged under 18 USC 486 was U.S. v. Bogart. In Bogart, the court made
examination of the legislative intent of the Act of June 8, 1864. The Bogart court
determined that the Act was simply a counterfeiting law that prohibited private coins that
closely resembled circulating United States currency and could mislead the public (even
if such designs were original, but still misleading). Further, the Bogart court specifically
determined that a person who simply issued a private precious metal currency could not
be charged with counterfeiting under the Act of June 8, 1864, and that the Act did not
establish the new, previously unknown crime of issuing private currency.

Gellman is not very applicable and is not much precedent:
The Gellman court mentions 18 USC 486, noting that it bans the issuance of private
currency "as current money". Falvey later cites Gellman on this point. However, the
Gellman observation is really only dicta (not a matter of the decision), as the court noted that the statute was not
applicable to Gellman's alleged crime (selling slugs that could operate vending
machines). The Gellman court's discussion of 18 USC 486 involved no investigation of
the statute's legislative intent, and appears to be a simple quick reading by the court.
Gellman does not reference the prior U.S. v. Bogart, which directly contradicts Gellman
on this matter, on this matter (although, ironically, the Gellman court cites Bogart on an
unrelated matter).

This is also widely divergent set of facts, but still interesting and cites this law:
U.S. v. Yeatts involved a 1981 case where a counterfeiter, charged with attempting to
pass fraudulent historic United States gold coins, maintained that the coins were not
current money, and thus no longer fell within the purview of 18 USC 485, the sister law
to 18 USC 486. Using somewhat dubious Constitutional reasoning, the appeals court held
that, even though the coins were not current money, the law was still applicable under the
Constitution's "necessary and proper clause". Yeatts references 18 USC 486 only to note
that it defines a parallel offense to that defined in 18 USC 485 and one law did not repeal
the other.

Falvey is important with regards to legislative intent which favors us strongly:
U.S. v. Falvey looked extensively at 18 USC 486's sister law 18 USC 485. The Falvey
ruling established the important and frequently cited doctrine that a court may use
evidence of legislative history to govern a statute's reading - even if the statute's current
literal reading would be different without the legislative evidence absence. Even in the
absence of the Bogart ruling, the Falvey decision would provide direct support for using
the legislative testimony from the Act of June 8, 1964's passage to show its intent as a
simple counterfeiting law.

I also have a LOT of background on the legislative intent of this law, and its many minor modifications over the years.  If it ever comes down to you needing some expert witness, I have some experience with that as well.  We are all in this together.

As it says on the obverse crown of the Bitcoin Specie piece "VERITAS VOS LIBRABIT": the truth will set you free.
2904  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why the loss of confidence in litecoin? on: October 19, 2013, 05:20:24 PM
I have LTC but it's a hedge against something unforseen happening to Bitcoin.
Give me one single example of something bad which might happen to affect Bitcoin but not affect neither Litecoin nor cryptography in general.
(hint: is sha is broken, we would have much bigger problems than Bitcoin)

It looks like you provided one for yourself, but with the caveat that if it were to occur that you would also have other concerns.

Another might be a code implementation.
A third might a bad effect from a hostile fork (say Mastercoin has something weird happen, zerocoin, colored coin, etc)

Maybe some might advocate a world with just one Operating System as the best of all possible worlds, but people are free to choose.

It is also a good thing to have another viable currency with an active economy where other sorts of experimentation can occur.  Personally I'd have wished hostile forks such as Mastercoin be implemented on Litecoin first, but I don't have the luxury of making such choices.

2905  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 政府的监管其实只是一种比特币测试 on: October 19, 2013, 02:25:16 PM
谢谢
2906  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BTC stolen from my wallet on: October 19, 2013, 02:21:37 PM
Computers are not easily securable.
I am looking forward to this:
http://www.bitcointrezor.com/faq/
2907  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why the loss of confidence in litecoin? on: October 19, 2013, 01:54:50 PM
Where are the best places to purchase or otherwise obtain litecoin?

Usually btc-e, but you can also try asking in the alt-coin trade part here
CoinMKT has it on exchange too.
2908  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: October 19, 2013, 01:03:11 PM
a bubble is never good for the long term health of the bitcoin market, it creates panic sell/buy which will keep most investors and normal people from trusting the coin.  

There isn't a bubble yet.

Agreed.
If you look at the volume, in currency, across all the exchanges and at the trendlines there.  This is not so different from normal trading activity.  Just a few good days in a row for the bulls, and some bits of new money coming in.

The bubbles have been overall good for the Bitcoin market.  Though some have lost.
They have raised awareness, (though more from investors than from users) and brought new people in, many who stay and learn.
2909  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: October 19, 2013, 11:36:06 AM
Not bad for the Magic The Gathering online eXchange.
Those are some sweet magic cards.

Oh wait, these are virtual coins we're buying?  who knew?
I thought I was getting a wall card
2910  Economy / Services / Re: Design a physical Bitcoin - 5 BTC bounty + design credits + free physical coin! on: October 19, 2013, 11:17:04 AM
If any "runners up" want theirs produced....or enhanced further... we can help with that.  Smiley
Some of these are really pretty good.

The best designs are sculpted and 3d scanned these days.  Coins are 3d not 2d and sharp vertical edges do not give a good feel when held in a hand.  This sharpness can even remove skin.
This scanning can also be done with actual objects.  (like those leaves gracing the left curve of the obverse of acorn's)

Generally sculpting then doing a cast in plaster is best, and then doing a mold, and then carving out the mold, and reversing it... you can go back and forth in this manner until you have it perfected.  There is a qualitative difference that is very difficult to reproduce with only a computer.
Computer only designs tend to be sharp, and it is difficult to get the sort of soft grace and majesty that some of the most famous coin designs are known for.   I am delighted by the amount of quality art that this contest is producing.

The earliest coin designers are among the first artists whose names survive to today.
Most sculptors of that period did not sign their work and other art was more transient and didn't survive.  But some of the earliest coinmakers did mark theirs thousands of years ago.
2911  Economy / Speculation / Re: Automated posting on: October 19, 2013, 11:02:44 AM

There's a keeper
2912  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: October 19, 2013, 10:54:04 AM
This is a cool morning. I wonder how the Americans will react when they wake up (It is 4.35 am EST). We might see some selling which would probably be healthy.

Most likely they will get reminded banks are closed on weekends and they can't buy anything until Monday...
At the rate this is going I have no idea what the price will be on Monday. Even the megadump taking place now is not having any effect. This is insane.

Most Banks aren't closed on Saturday in the US.
2913  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: October 19, 2013, 10:43:34 AM
This is a cool morning. I wonder how the Americans will react when they wake up (It is 4.35 am EST). We might see some selling which would probably be healthy.

Who can sleep with all the noise Bitcoin is making?
2914  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITSTAMP eXchange wall Observer. second biggest and best exchange on: October 19, 2013, 05:46:07 AM
Google ventures invested about 200K or so, reportedly.  I wish them well with it.  It is not clear to me that it is a scam, but I haven't been able to do much with it yet either.
If it eventually does what it promises, and makes trade simpler, where I can manage my silver/gold->minting->payment>silver/gold cycle in a better way, than I will be eager to see that happen.  So far, Bitcoin is doing what I need it to do, and also promises much more.
What is surprising is that even with this crypto currency investment, they haven't managed to accept payment yet.

Advertising and content delivery are the killer apps for crypto.  Micropayment anyone?
Maybe I should have accepted the job when they wanted me.  I could have fixed them a bit Wink

The original trusts system of Ripple was (is) interesting. Then they added centrally created XRPs with tradeable value to try and get rich (and succeeded). THAT is what makes it a scam. The more people invest in it the more likely it will stick around, which nauseates me. I prefer fiat currencies over Ripple and that is saying something.

We're off the wall... but I don't see why XRP have tradable value, other than to join the network.  It is like buying the ability to trade using the system, but why wouldn't your trading partners give the XRP needed to connect if they want to do business.
I don't see where Ripple hopes to make any money except maybe through the analytics?
2915  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITSTAMP eXchange wall Observer. second biggest and best exchange on: October 19, 2013, 05:33:36 AM
972 yuan is 160 USD... Bitstamp is falling behind... wonder what's up.
Baidu for one...
https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:BIDU

If other stocks do what theirs did after announcing that they take bitcoin (even if only marginally) this could be an interesting year...

Interesting!!!

I'd bought some baidu when google was pulling out of china.
Its been profitable.
And now they've beat google to bitcoin, while google is already working on Ripple...times are weird.

WTF did Google go for Ripple? I just let out a big sigh. I hope the scam that is Ripple won't spread too far ...

Google ventures invested about 200K or so, reportedly.  I wish them well with it.  It is not clear to me that it is a scam, but I haven't been able to do much with it yet either.
If it eventually does what it promises, and makes trade simpler, where I can manage my silver/gold->minting->payment>silver/gold cycle in a better way, than I will be eager to see that happen.  So far, Bitcoin is doing what I need it to do, and also promises much more.
What is surprising is that even with this crypto currency investment, they haven't managed to accept payment yet.

Advertising and content delivery are the killer apps for crypto.  Micropayment anyone?
Maybe I should have accepted the job when they wanted me.  I could have fixed them a bit Wink
2916  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITSTAMP eXchange wall Observer. second biggest and best exchange on: October 19, 2013, 05:23:26 AM
972 yuan is 160 USD... Bitstamp is falling behind... wonder what's up.
Baidu for one...
https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:BIDU

If other stocks do what theirs did after announcing that they take bitcoin (even if only marginally) this could be an interesting year...

Interesting!!!

I'd bought some baidu when google was pulling out of china.
Its been profitable.
And now they've beat google to bitcoin, while google is already working on Ripple...times are weird.
2917  Economy / Collectibles / Re: New Bitcoin Specie by the makers of New Liberty Dollar on: October 19, 2013, 05:19:02 AM
I was just informed that one of our buyers has listed one of their Commemorative Hallmarked 5th anniversary Satoshi Nakamoto whitepaper peices on eBay who asked if it was OK to do that.  I let them know that it is a free market and it was theirs to do with as they please. Smiley  It looks like they used my pictures though.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Satoshi-Nakamoto-White-Papers-5th-Anniv-COLLECTIBLE-1-ozT-Silver-BITCOIN-Specie/281191054197

I've had some inquiries from folks wanting to get these, but they have only been made available to the few who pre-ordered and those who have met one of our team at conferences or other events.  As far as I know this is the only one that has been offered for sale publicly.
2918  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: October 19, 2013, 05:07:30 AM
Froth?
2919  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITSTAMP eXchange wall Observer. second biggest and best exchange on: October 19, 2013, 04:00:30 AM
972 yuan is 160 USD... Bitstamp is falling behind... wonder what's up.
Baidu for one...
https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:BIDU

If other stocks do what theirs did after announcing that they take bitcoin (even if only marginally) this could be an interesting year...
2920  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITSTAMP eXchange wall Observer. second biggest and best exchange on: October 19, 2013, 03:45:32 AM
So market cap is @ $3.2B as there are 21M BTC.
Not yet, there aren't.

Of course there are. They just aren't assigned to anyone yet and cannot be transacted. It's a certainty that they will be though. Everyone not agreeing there are 21M BTC is retarded in my humble opinion.

There have been made blocks without a full block reward. Bitcoin will never reach 21M BTC.

It's a hell of a lot closer to 21M than to 11.8M.

You might think of it that way... The stock analogy would be a float of 11.8M of almost 21M total shares outstanding.  I suspect that many would argue the matter.  Whether the coins exist as unassigned or not might be something for the philosophers.
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