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2981  Economy / Gambling discussion / FanDuel founders to receive no cash from sale to Paddy Power Betfair on: July 09, 2018, 03:57:13 AM
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THE PRIVATE equity backers of Scottish technology business FanDuel have completed their boardroom coup by ensuring that none of the firm’s founders or employees will be able to share in the proceeds of its impending sale to Paddy Power Betfair.

The London-listed bookmaker is close to finalising a takeover of the daily fantasy sports business, in a deal that was expected to deliver a significant cash windfall to the five-strong team that founded the firm in Edinburgh almost a decade ago. Current and former staff members with shares and options in the business were also due to receive a payout.

However, US private equity houses Shamrock Capital Advisers and Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, which in 2014 and 2015 respectively led $70 million and $275m fundraising rounds for FanDuel, have been able to exclude ordinary shareholders from the deal by exercising their majority shareholder drag-along rights.


Drag-along clauses, which form part of companies’ articles of association, are designed to protect majority shareholders by enabling them to force minority shareholders to participate in a sale.

While dragging shareholders are supposed to offer minority shareholders the same terms as any other seller, KKR and Shamrock have told the firm’s founders – who each hold ordinary shares – that there will not be enough cash generated from the transaction for them to be paid.

In a document outlining the terms of the deal, the investors said that the aggregate value being paid for FanDuel “is approximately $465m”.


“As this consideration is not sufficient to satisfy the aggregate preference payable on the A preference shares, no part of the consideration payable in the offer will be payable on FanDuel’s ordinary shares or options to purchase FanDuel’s ordinary shares,” it said.

The move has been made possible because changes made to FanDuel’s articles of association in the past few years have strengthened the hand of dragging shareholders.

In August 2014 a clause was added that said drag-along rights would “prevail over any contrary provisions” in the document. A month later Shamrock completed its investment in the firm.

In June 2017 a clause was inserted to allow “the transfer of shares to the company for nil consideration”, with a further article added two weeks ago noting that no objections could be raised if “no consideration is payable” for shares being transferred as part of a sale of the business.

“It shall be no impediment to registration of shares under this article that no share certificate (or lost share certificate indemnity) has been produced,” the June 20 update added.

The founders’ shareholdings in the business were already watered down last year after a merger-termination clause relating to FanDuel’s ultimately unsuccessful combination with rival DraftKings kicked in.

Shortly afterwards KKR and Shamrock took control of FanDuel’s board, which was slimmed down from 10 to five seats.

As part of that FanDuel co-founders Lesley Eccles, who had been head of marketing at the firm, and Tom Griffiths, who was at that point the company’s chief product officer, resigned from the board. They have both now left the business, as have cofounders Rob Jones and Chris Stafford, who were head of design and head of technology respectively.

After the reshuffle fellow founder Nigel Eccles remained on the board as chief executive but left the firm in November 2017 to be replaced by Matt King, a former KKR executive who had served as FanDuel’s chief financial officer between 2014 and 2016.

Mr King is expected to receive a payment of up to $11.3m as a result of the Paddy Power Betfair deal. The firm’s current chief technology officer Robin Spira is due to make up to $3.5m, its legal officer Christian Genetski stands to make up to $6.2m, and it chief financial officer Andy Giancamilli is due to receive up to $5m.

FanDuel declined to comment.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/business_hq/16333124.fanduel-founders-to-receive-no-cash-from-sale-to-paddy-power-betfair/

Interesting story developing here. Fanduel was sold recently. Its founders and employees had their company stock invalidated and weren't able to receive profits from the sale. Venture capitalists took all of the profits and divided them up among their own people. It sounds reminescent of a story one might expect to see in an ICO or a less regulated business environment.

This could serve as a warning to those who build their own start up to be wary of venture capitalists and angel investors. Some of which could be as much scammers are those found in the ICOverse.

Its also worth mentioning that due to state regulation fanduel is illegal in these US states:  Arizona, Alabama, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, Texas and Washington state. Another interesting point as far as fanduel goes.
2982  Economy / Economics / Re: Will Economy Grow Forever? on: July 07, 2018, 11:03:05 PM

The advancement in technology improved economy from past many years but do you think it will grow forever or their will be reduction in resources?


Some say the large population spike around the oil industrial revolution occurred due to technology advancing to a point where a larger population could be sustainable. There has been much said about "peak oil". Will civilization be sustainable once a point of peak oil production has passed. Humanity relies upon oil for pesticides, fuel, plastics, lubricants, crop fertilizer, energy. These applications might have fueled the large rise in human population growth. What happens if a reduction in resources has a severe negative effect on food production or other necessities people rely upon for survival?

There has been a long unanswered question about what happens when limited resources are consumed. Can innovation invent new ways around this basic problem? Might resources be harvested from asteroids or other sources? Perhaps we will see a painful and messy population correction if basic necessities like food are unable to sustain population growth. I don't think anyone has definitive answers to this. Its one of those unpleasant topics people avoid discussing.

I know that ways have been found to create gasoline and jet fuel from bio waste products. Plastics can be harvested and recycled back into oil. Peak oil may not be as much of an issue today as it was a few decades ago. There does seem to be a significant decline in the amount of arable (farmable) land in the world. Ah eff it. There are too many variables to this. I can't even begin to guess what will happen or what the key points here are.
2983  Economy / Economics / Uganda Bans VPNs To Prevent Users From Dodging Its Absurd New Social Media Tax on: July 07, 2018, 12:01:00 AM
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Countries around the world continue to wage their not so subtle war on the use of virtual private networks (VPNs) and encryption. In Russia, the government has all but banned the use of VPNs by layering all manner of obnoxious restrictions and caveats on VPN operators. The goal, as we've seen in China and countless other countries, is to ban VPN use without making it explicitly clear you're banning VPN use. The deeper goal is always the same: less privacy and online freedom for users who use such tools to dodge surveillance or other, even dumber government policies.

Case in point: Uganda recently decided it would be a great idea to impose a new 200 Uganda shilling ($0.05) tax on the use of social networking websites. President Yoweri Museveni pushed for the changes to combat what he calls "gossip," and now users have to pay the 200 shilling fee each day just to access websites and services like Facebook, Whatsapp, and Twitter. $20 more per year is not an insubstantial sum in a country where the average income is around $600, and the average Ugandan survives on usually less than a dollar per day.

The tax is, not surprisingly, not being received well:



The nation's wireless carriers were quick to comply, informing users they should use mobile payment services to pay the government tax:



Shockingly, VPN use has soared in the country as users try to dodge the new tax. Predicting this, Uganda's government has doubled down on bad ideas, and has been pressuring ISPs to ban VPN use. In a statement posted at Facebook (200 Uganda shillings, please), the Ugandan government tries to deter VPN use by trying to claim using VPNs will cost more than the cost of bandwidth and the social media tax, since VPN encryption utilizes slightly more bandwidth and most user connections have caps and overage fees:

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"...if you think it is cheaper to use VPN than paying Shs 200/day, I think it is very unwise to think that because the data consumption under VPN is very high, I think you’re aware of that. We have technology that will block the VPN services so that no one dodges the taxes. Different VPN systems continue to come with more advanced features to circumvent government crackdowns but governments around the world have continued to block them."

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180702/12431840157/uganda-bans-vpns-to-prevent-users-dodging-absurd-new-social-media-tax.shtml

Interesting story developing here.

Uganda is attempting to tax its people for using social media platforms like facebook or twitter. Ugandans are using VPN's to avoid the tax. The ugandan government is pressuring ISPs to crackdown on VPNs and other things utilized by ugandans to enable tax evasion.

This raises many questions. Is it valid economic policy for a state like uganda to tax its people for using services like facebook or twitter which the ugandan government does not provide? How effective / ineffective is taxation policy, not only in uganda but around the world?

There could be certain parallels between uganda's gov pursuing tax hikes, which have a negative effect upon economics and job markets, whereby politicians in every country around the world are blindly following similar lines of thought.

At what point do taxes cease being a benefit to society and instead become the opposite?
2984  Economy / Economics / Re: America threatens China with $500 billion in US trade tariffs on: July 06, 2018, 11:05:19 PM
If the us china trade war happens in earnest, it will look like a messy divorce.   Undecided

I'm wondering if we'll notice a fluctuation in the price of cheap goods from china listed on amazon? If weeks or months from now I look at my amazon wishlist and there isn't a noticeable difference in prices--maybe it won't be a big deal after all?

There could be some exaggeration as to how much the cost of goods will increase. Unless a business has a monopoly or heavily centralized market with a dominant marketshare there is a limit to how much the cost of tariffs can be passed on to consumers. While there is some negative commentary in the media, it is possible tariffs will be hiked and the damage to consumers will be negligible. Chinese enterprise could be forced to eat a substantial portion of tariff hikes.

It will be interesting to see what the effects are as I remember the cost of 2 liter bottles of soda at the store roughly doubling from $1 to $2 over the past 10 or so years which would seem to indicate near to 10% price inflation per year. Will we likely price hikes anywhere near approaching that? I wonder.
2985  Economy / Economics / Re: The EU's Biggest ETF Firm Expands Into Crypto Products on: July 06, 2018, 10:26:34 PM
Hydroden is wrong about the EU taking advantage over the US,when it comes to crypto trading regulations.The situation in the European Union is almost the same.Nobody will let this company trade ETNs in the long term.

From my perspective, other nations decriminalize drug use while the united states obstinately continues its ineffective and damaging war on drugs. Other nations have access to the best gambling platforms and websites while the united states bans these things. In many US states even fantasy sports sites like fanduel and draftkings are banned and illegal. Other nations have legalized prostitution, while the USA continues to punish and crackdown on adult entertainers and small business owners in the adult industry. Other nations have affordable healthcare--think that's available in the USA? Nope.

This precedent could also apply to crypto. Other countries have access to bitmex and can trade crypto via leverage. All of that is banned and illegal to US residents. Other countries likely have financial platforms which they can utilize to buy fiat. While americans have no choice but to use shady coinbase that is being sued and has two lawsuits filed against it, as other exchanges and platform which sell btc for fiat could be banned for US residents.

Given the above, it makes perfect sense that europeans will have access to bitcoin ETFs while americans are denied this basic financial functionality. As americans are already being denied many basic things which foreigners enjoy ranging from legalized marijuana to gay marriage and simply being able to buy bitcoin without using a corrupt and shady service like coinbase.

Anyways like I said earlier, it truly does look as if a secret and silent war is being waged against americans and the US economy where anything that could help the US economy to grow is being banned or made illegal by state regulation. You might not think that european ETF will be allowed while americans are denied ETF services of their own, but that is exactly what could happen.
2986  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UFC 226: Miocic vs Cormier Info and Prediction Thread on: July 06, 2018, 05:17:14 AM
If Cormier will slug it out with Miocic, Cormier will be in a disadvantageous situation since Miocic is 5 inches taller than Cormier, Miocic have the height advantage. In terms of Reach, again its Miocic who has the advantage with 80 inch reach compared to Cormier's 72 inch. If Cormier will go to the ground then I guess Cormier have the advantage since he has a wrestling back ground.

The UFC site says Stipe has an 80 inch reach about 4 inches less than Jon Jones 84 inch reach. Cormier fought him twice. Cormier did a good job with his boxing in both fights. I think Stipe and Jon Jones could be close to the same height/reach. Stipe has more body mass and hits harder than Jones.

Main thing I didn't like about DC in the 2nd Jones fight was the way he seemed to be kind of sleepwalking in the cage. Like he wasn't fully there and wasn't 100% paying attention. He kind of looks that way in the embeddeds and press conferences leading up to UFC 226.

One thing DC could have going for him is he might be able to push a much better pace than Stipe can. The pace in both fights with Jon Jones was very fast with a lot of strikes being thrown and a lot of wrestling/grappling exchanges. I don't know if Stipe can match that intensity he slowed down very quickly against Ngannou despite fighting @ a slower pace.

Daniel Cormier also fell after a press conference and he was saw limping. What will Dana do? His original story board for UFC 226 was supposed to be the biggest card of the year.

There's video of it on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B9hgFigpts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUDESN7Bl8A

They say Cormier tripped on a speaker or its cable that was on the floor near where he was sitting.

2987  Economy / Economics / The EU's Biggest ETF Firm Expands Into Crypto Products on: July 06, 2018, 03:46:36 AM
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Europe's largest trader of exchange-traded funds (ETFs) is now entering the crypto world.

Amsterdam-based speed trader Flow Traders NV co-CEO Dennis Dijkstra told Bloomberg Thursday that his firm was expanding its trading products to exchange-traded notes (ETNs) based on bitcoin and ether.

XBT Provider, a Stockholm-based firm that offers ETFs based on bitcoin and ether, confirmed that Flow Traders NV has "dramatically increased" its securities trading over the last few months.

According to Bloomberg, unlike the major U.S. trading firms currently offering cryptocurrency futures, Flow Traders is the first one to "disclose it's buying and selling crypto notes listed on regulated stock exchanges."

In the interview, Dijkstra said:

"People underestimate crypto. It's big, and it is to be regulated very soon. The market participants are much more professional than people think. Institutional investors are interested -- we know they are because we get requests."

While the Dutch company is moving forward in crypto trading, the country's regulators are wary of the move.

Nienke Torensma, a spokeswoman for the Dutch Authority for the Financial Markets (AFM), said in a statement that "We discourage activities in cryptos both by consumers and professional license holders."

"By virtue of its newness and the anonymity it potentially offers, it is very prone to abuse. Given its inability to serve the promised purpose as a currency, we don't regard it to be an asset class," she continued.

CoinDesk reported in March that the country's finance minister, Wopke Hoekstra, issued a letter to Parliament to urge for "an international approach" to regulate cryptocurrency.

https://www.coindesk.com/the-eus-biggest-etf-firm-expands-into-crypto-products/

I think the net effect of these announcements mean: european investment firms are offering bitcoin and ether ETFs(see: bolded portion of article).

While US markets and the SEC struggled to approve a bitcoin ETF in 2017, europe has gone ahead and done it in 2018. Once again US regulation fails miserably. Europe has approved bitcoin and crypto ETFs. While the united states probably will not approve either in the next 10 years.

This is getting a bit sickening for me being an american and seeing exchanges like bitmex outright ban US residents from trading on leverage. Its almost as if a quiet war is being waged against america and the US economy. Crypto, business and financial opportunities around the world like bitcoin ETFs are being denied to americans. While europeans and foreigners receive much more privilege in terms of support via regulation.
2988  Economy / Economics / Re: India choked its cryptocurrency ecosystem to near-death on: July 05, 2018, 11:51:22 PM
India has waged a war against paper money in an effort to embrace the new age cashless society paradigm being pushed recently. This could have a negative effect of choking industry, business and jobs which rely upon paper money to function. These forms of restrictive measures have a potential to impede economic growth and strangle job markets over the long term. In short india choking its crypto currency industry could match it choking its paper money based industries. Not that this would be significant or out of the ordinary given a large percentage of policy legislated by states in this day and age have extremely negative economic and financial effects, while producing little or nothing in the way of tangible positive gains.

Its not a relevent point, they can blame the "diminishing price of oil" for it and no one will ever be the wiser. It worked for venezuela. It will probably work for argentina, india, turkey and many other nations who are likely to be experiencing severe recession and economic downturns before long. Few care enough to support sound economic policy and so things typically end poorly.
2989  Economy / Marketplace / What is the best "non coinbase" method to purchase BTC in the USA via us dollar? on: July 05, 2018, 11:41:56 PM
Scenario: imagine that americans want to buy bitcoin for fiat. They don't want to use coinbase. There are currently two pending lawsuits filed against coinbase one for insider trading the other for freezing the funds of their customers. Coinbase isn't looking the most reliable or trustworthy atm. Crypto markets can benefit by having other alternatives, thus avoiding coinbase having a monopoly or centralized paradigm which would have a negative effect on consumers. What exchange or service would they use?

Exchanges like bitmex appear to have banned all US residents and exchanges like binance which allow US residents to sign up and trade do not support purchasing bitcoin via us dollars.

Does anyone know of a good method or exchange which supports US residents and allows purchase of bitcoin via debit/credit card--without piling a ton of fees or surcharges on top of everything the way some services do?

Also does anyone get an impression crypto regulation is deliberately setting coinbase up as a centralized market / monopoly over bitcoin transactions for usd? Mainly by denying US residents access to platforms which allow purchase of btc via us dollars.
2990  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Amazon stock a good buy? on: July 05, 2018, 12:14:20 AM
Amazon has had an excellent run leading up to the present and looked poised to dominate the world. For those who follow Jeff Bezos/amazon, you know they have many ambitious and futuristic plans which are constantly being copied or emulated by target, walmart and other retailers in an effort to keep up with amazon's dominance and expansion.

The main negative for amazon is Donald Trump attempting to implement measures aimed at diminishing amazon's advantages to level the retailer playing field. There are multiple scenarios which could play out, here. Donald Trump could be successful at establishing regulation which eliminates some of amazon's advantages restricting its growth and lending market value to other, more traditional brick and mortar, retailers. Or amazon's growth could continue unimpeded by attempts at regulation. How will things go?

I think amazon is pretty saturated at the moment and there isn't a high potential for growth, I would look elsewhere.
2991  Economy / Gambling discussion / When Sports Betting Is Legal, the Value of Game Data Soars on: July 04, 2018, 10:57:32 PM
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Every weekend during soccer season in Britain, security personnel find them in stadiums, tapping furiously at their phones or talking nonstop into a mic — mysterious customers often wearing hoodies to conceal earpieces and their identity. While focused with unwavering intensity on the action of the game, they show none of the engagement and excitement of the ordinary fans around them.

The unofficial data scouts — or data thieves, depending on who is describing them — are quickly ejected once they are discovered.

The fleeting data they are collecting — the minutia of what is happening in the game — is the lifeblood of sports betting, perhaps the most crucial and valuable element of the entire industry. If gambling operators are to monetize sports betting fully, they have to offer wagers on far more than the outcomes of games. Data on the second-by-second action — exactly when a goal is scored, where it landed in the net, who had the assist — creates manifold betting opportunities.

In Britain, this so-called in-play betting market is robust. In the United States, it may be the greatest hope for betting operators after the Supreme Court struck down a federal ban on sports betting and as states scramble to accept wagers. That means accurate and reliable data must get to betting operators like casinos, websites and phone apps fast, usually in a second or two — well ahead of the roughly five-to-10-second delay baked into television broadcasts.

“For betting, it’s the difference between having value and having no value at all,” Steven Burton, a veteran lawyer in the rarefied field of collecting, using and protecting sports data, said about the necessity of rapid data distribution.

The sudden premium on sports data is likely to set up an array of conflicts in the betting industry that have been mostly unknown in the United States. Adrian Ford, general manager of Football DataCo, the official handler of data for the English Premier League and others in Britain, said that in dozens of stadiums each weekend, the hooded scouts show up for companies aiming to collect the data and sell it to betting operators without buying rights to the league-approved stream originating in the press box.

“It goes to the heart of this issue, the data debate,” Mr. Ford said. “Clearly the data from the source, a stadium, it’s valuable. Some people believe it’s appropriate to cheat.”

That shadowy cat-and-mouse game in Britain gives a small preview of battles to come in the United States over how the data should be collected and whether the gambling industry should be required to use “official data,” a league-approved tabulation of what happened in a sports competition.

The debate over official data is one facet of a still broader set of questions: How should sports data from any source, official or unofficial, be regulated, monitored and purchased? Who should settle a dispute over whether an in-play bet was won or lost? Does real-time data from a sporting event, like the sounds of a musical performance, have a claim to royalties and copyright protection for those who produce it? By creating a sort of monopoly, could a mandate for official data actually do more harm than good?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/02/sports/sports-betting.html

Here's an angle to live sports betting that isn't covered often. Books utilizing real time observers to update live betting odds and beat the 5-10 second delay inherent with live sports broadcasts. It is possible there is a flipside angle to this where sports bettors could use their own observers to make live bets and profit. If this ever becomes a real issue, I wonder if we'll see stadiums employ cell phone jammers or communications jamming equipment to crackdown on attempts to beat the tape delay.

Many of the things said about gambling are not very up to date or knowledgeable and so I'm posting this in the hope that people might gain a little bit of inside knowledge as to how gambling is not necessarily throwing darts at a board or a flip of a coin. There are actual attempts to transform it into something where a person can win consistently and attempts to do the opposite. If only a person is willing to scratch a little beneath the surface.

2992  Economy / Economics / Three Ways Bitcoin's Price Could Reach $20,000 by December on: July 03, 2018, 11:19:49 PM
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In what now seems like a point equidistant between today and the Trojan War, James Carville, then a strategist for candidate Bill Clinton, noted that the economy was the seminal issue in the 1992 Presidential Election.

Carville created a simple phrase to share with his staffers, ‘it’s the economy, stupid,’ to keep the seminal issue front and center. Yesterday, at roughly noon Eastern Standard Time, Bitcoin (BTC) dropped to nearly $5800, marking one of its lowest prices of 2018 and likely prompting some in the BTC community to self-evaluate and reflect. One are of reflection must be that BTC has a complex series of messaging problems that will have an effect on any significant price increase. For example, Tom Lee, from FundStrat, has a very bullish prediction for 2018.

CNBC reported that Lee wrote to investors, “We believe the regulatory picture is now improving — best evidenced by Coinbase and Circle ‘running towards’ regulation. We are basing this on the notion that Coinbase and Circle would only take these actions if such was the case.” Lee, in his bullishness, often plays the role of evangelist, not fully discussing the issues that are blocking BTC adoption. As with many BTC bulls, Lee’s stance is that BTC has only one place to go: up; yet this stance mostly abstains from addressing the coin’s messaging problems.

Before Sunday’s low, some in the crypto-ecosphere were already contemplating the complexities that BTC faces. Charles Hoskinson, at the Crypto ICO Summit held in Zürich during March, noted that BTC speculators shared a ‘collective delusion’ compelling the community forward. Although there are a multitude of reasons for the BTC community’s shared ‘delusion,’ Hoskinson, the CEO of IOHK and the lead developer of the Cardono project, underscored how the community actually overcame the ‘delusion stage’ when liquid markets developed for the currency, yet he details that the next stage for BTC to conquer is utility.

Hoskinson noted, “Then, suddenly, 2013 came around, and BTC got valuable, and we had liquidity and had real markets. There was over a billion dollar valuation…Here is what happens when the delusion sets-in: Then you have differences of opinion; then you have a desire for utility and use. We liked the delusion but don’t like the implementation.” By conjoining Nathaniel Popper’s title from his well regarded book on BTC, Digital Gold: Bitcoin and the Inside Story of the Misfits and Millionaires Trying to Reinvent Money (2016) with a quote from John Steinbeck’s of Mice and Men (1937), it may be said ‘that the best laid BTC plans, both from misfits and millionaires, often go astray.’ Below, decoupled from the ephemeral dips or dramatic price rallies, three messaging concerns need to be addressed to assist BTC in regaining the counter-narrative monetary framework that put it on the currency map.

In Laura Shin’s podcast, Unconfirmed, from March 30, 2018, Ari Paul, CIO of BlockTower Capital, contended that BTC requires a professional team to handle the core business. Paul continued by noting that the early contributors, such as Gavin Andresen and Nick Szabo, needed to be transitioned out from central roles, similar to how start-up teams are replaced by more established industry veterans once a project is profitable. Paul’s rhetoric mirrors traditional hedge-fund language that does not fully cohere with the ideologies of the early BTC community and the cypherpunk movement, which remain foundational to cryptocurrency.

Paul is not alone framing the next stage of BTC in this traditional manner. In fact, the dramatic price increase in late 2017 was complexly interwoven with tropes of professionalization and their enactment in the form of a futures markets.

However, Andreas Antonopoulos, as seen in a December 2017 Bitcoin.com article, stressed that a futures market could dramatically impact the price of BTC. Although Antonopoulos did outline a scenario for BTC price stabilization due to the futures market, this scenario did not materialize. Antonopoulos, likely the most respected person in crypto, actually sits on the CME’s board that oversee BTC’s futures. However, this move toward professionalization, dating back to the first ETF attempts, connotes a wooing of the legacy financial system, which would have been anathema only a few years ago. And, as seen by the CME and CBOE adoption, BTC has not launched to the moon, or stabilized, indicating that full-fledged strategies need to be vetted prior engaging in complicated markets. If not carefully reviewed, complex commodity trading strategies could cause further volatility instead of stabilization.   

Censorship
Roger Ver had consistently lamented, prior to his Bitcoin Cash (BCH) hard fork in August of 2017, that BTC was strongly deviating from the core vision of the BTC Whitepaper. Ikye Aru, in a fall article on Coin Telegraph, highlighted Ver’s emphasis that BCH aligned more closely with the original vision of BTC. In the article, Ver continued,  “Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin and will have the bigger market cap, trade volume and user base in the future.” Beyond the topic of entangling alliances in the form of BTC’s professionalization, the BTC community’s tolerance of censorship stands in direct opposition to any notion of decentralization. Post-BCH fork, it is understandable that Ver is not unabashedly welcomed on BTC Forums; yet it seems that BTC Forums would benefit from a level of tolerance for disagreement.

In early fall of 2017, Ver tweeted, “Without the censorship by Theymos and it being tolerated by Blockstream and Core, would any thinking person actually support these ideas?” In this tweet, Ver noted the hypocrisy that BTC supporters would tolerate censorship and not speak out about the growing influence of Blocksteam. Although Ver’s tweet was months after the BCH hard fork, the continued censorship seemingly signaled that the BTC community may have been too focused on short term valuation of the coin rather than on appraising the long-term impact of censorship.

The Theymos censoring was decried by many outside of the BTC community too. Amanda B. Johnson, well-known for her 2016-2017 Dash Detailed YouTube show, also spoke candidly against Theymos’s censorship, noting that the BTC community should have a platform on which to engage in open discussion. Additionally, Medium blogger John Block chronicled a history of  Theymos’s censorship dating back to 2013, highlighting how the moderator removed posts. CCN, in a spring 2017 article, discussed how Reddit BTC moderator “Jratcliff63367” had resigned due to censorship. This type of censorship may deserves more scrutiny, and it is likely doing the BTC brand harm. Bitcoin maximalists may have been frustrated by Ver’s advocacy of Bitcoin Cash, but Ver was not the only one who complained of censorship, and the BTC community’s tolerance of such impoverished exchange appears to signal a new Zeitgeist for BTC.

Following a Different Path
Last week, in Wired, Gideon Lewis-Kraus detailed one way that the decentralized utopian vision could end badly, vividly depicting how one of the largest Initial Coin Offerings (ICOs) of 2017 is seemingly pleading for a coup de grâce. Equating BTC to Tezos is a fallacious in at least the scale; nonetheless, Lewis-Kraus’s retelling of the Tezos debacle is a cautionary tale in that it highlights how even the best intentioned projects can wildy go awry. Above, we have underscored how BTC, regardless of the price fluctuations, faces complicated, but not intractable, problems. In particular, zealous appeals for corporatization are seemingly antithetical to BTC’s core technology and the ethos of decentralization. When a salient contribution of the BTC White Paper is the ability to run uncensorable, permissionless transactions, this self-contradiction and, to a degree, paradoxical absurdity—as seen by the widely practiced censorship of some BTC SubReddits—cannot be overlooked.

https://www.ccn.com/three-ways-bitcoin-price-could-reach-20000-by-december-its-the-messaging-stupid/

Do me a favor. Read this and tell me if it looks like political agendas are being pushed, here. I have a vague impression this article passively aggressively attempts to push pro Roger Ver and pro bitcoin cash agendas. It cites details on Bill Clinton's campaign. Bill Clinton, who could be one of the worst US President's in history. The worst since Woodrow Wilson. For those who view Roger Ver and BCC as representing some of the worst crypto has to offer, perhaps it makes sense to group them in with one of the worst US Presidents in history. The parts near the end referring to Theymos and "censorship" could indicate an anti bitcointalk stance as well.

This piece starts out citing how bitcoin might adjust its "messaging" to be more politically effective from a marketing perspective. Then branches out and spams perspectives that have little to do with that. There would seem to be political undertones present.

Anyways, will bitcoin return to $20k by december? What do people think?
2993  Economy / Marketplace / Re: List of companies that will ban your account if they know you're mess with BTC. on: July 03, 2018, 10:21:47 PM
Please feel free to chime in if you've had any businesses accounts closed due to Bitcoin.

In 2017 AOL blocked emails sent to my @aim.com email account from blockchain.info.

It disabled the 2FA email blockchain normally sends to access wallet accounts.

Not certain if that was an action taken against me individually or if AOL blacklisted blockchain.info's entire domain for all email accounts. I think AT&T now owns TimeWarner which owns AOL. Maybe the change in ownership will compel AOL to reverse the ban. Or perhaps the opposite will occur. AT&T is raising DirecTV prices by $5. Perhaps we're seeing the effect market centralization has upon the cost of services, which is to make them more expensive and unaffordable as perhaps we have seen with healthcare in the USA as it has shifted to become a more centralized and monopolistic paradigm.
2994  Economy / Economics / Re: Security issues relating to Private Keys storage on: July 03, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
Would be interested to know basic opsec (operational security) regarding storage of private keys observed by crypto pros. Not storing keys in a digital or electronic format would represent a basic fundamental, I would have to think. Keys would likely be written on a piece of paper or stored stenographically, concealed inside another file. In more extreme cases, I could imagine keys being written on a piece of paper and sealed inside a weatherproof container before being buried or stored in a place where they are unlikely to be found.

Electronic storage methods are suspect in that many routers and hardware platforms contain built in backdoors utilized for state surveillance, consumer data mining, et al. There was a case in 2017 where "700 million android phones" had a backdoor installed which could forward data to china. Windows and presumably other OS could have similar measures. The recent intel security "bug" could have deliberately been designed as a feature: built in backdoor.

I would think electronic storage would be avoided but to be honest, I haven't put much thought into this.
2995  Economy / Economics / Re: the rise in world crude oil does affect the virtual currency on: July 03, 2018, 09:10:51 PM
Brent crude futures fell $ 1.50 a barrel, or 2 percent, to settle at $ 75.29 a barrel. US crude prices ended down $ 1.06, or 1.6 percent, at $ 64.75 a barrel, after earlier touching $ 64.57, the lowest since April 10.
whether the consequences will impact to mature virtual money?

Do oil prices impact the price of bitcoin? Off the top of my head, the answer is: no

The price of oil can affect shipping and transportation of goods/services/employees. Bitcoin is a truly global enterprise and isn't reliant upon transportation nor regional/geographic base. It won't be impacted by fluctuations in crude value.

The second potential way oil could affect crypto is in cases where the value of crude were linked to the price of electricity production. Most industrial bitcoin mining operations are powered by hydroelectrically generated power which is far cheaper and more environmentally friendly than hydrocarbon based energy sources like coal or oil. The price of oil won't impact bitcoin here, either.

If residents spend less on fuel, they could have more liquidity to buy crypto. That's the main scenario where reduced oil and fuel prices might affect bitcoin prices, off the top of my head.
2996  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sheldon Adelson - The Gambling emperor featured in Forbes billionaire's list on: July 02, 2018, 11:13:58 PM
Don't know if I would cheer Sheldon Adelson. When you say he owns more than half of total gambling revenue in the USA. That could be the reason why gambling is illegal in most states aside from nevada. It could also be the reason there are stringent regulations against some US states participating in fantasy sports sites like fanduel or draft kings. Sheldon Adelson could be the reason pinnacle and many other online sportsbooks do not serve american customers.

Adelson's market share could be threatened if gambling were more legalized in the united states. And that could be the reason we see such stringent and restrictive controls here. Billionaires wield some gravitas. They have political influence and clout. Its not hard to imagine a scenario where Adelson provides politicians campaign, lobbyst or special interest funding in exchange for a few favors where gambling is heavily regulated outside of Vegas where Adelson has a controlling interest.

Here's an example:  https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2013/11/22/sheldon-adelson-says-he-is-willing-to-spend-whatever-it-takes-to-stop-online-gambling/

Good post though! This post and that series on the economic impact of gambling are great. Wish other sections invested half as much effort.
2997  Economy / Economics / Re: Banking is Dead… Long live Blockchain Banking! on: July 02, 2018, 10:40:17 PM
Today, a person can send money to anyone in the world immediately without having to go through the hassle of what I experienced. It has happened in many parts of the world. You can transfer money via WeChat, Whatsapp, and even Facebook Messenger right now.

Good point and one that is seldom mentioned.

Not many people seem aware of the fact that socialist governments like cuba charge upwards of 50% tax fees on wire transfers which move money into their country. Looking at the regional price of bitcoin--there is often a correlation between nations like africa who are willing to pay higher prices for bitcoin, and high taxes or fees imposed by central banks or states. We've seen many spam comments on this forum where people complain if they have to pay $5 transfer fees with bitcoin. I can't imagine how those people might react if they had to pay a 50% tax.

The advantages bitcoin and other 3rd party payment applications have in moving money across borders "sometimes" without incurring the heavy surcharges and taxes imposed on wire transfers is one of bitcoin and crypto currencies most under emphasized advantages. It might be fair to say the system is broken in ways with crypto currencies allowing people a means of avoiding worst case scenarios.
2998  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UFC 226: Miocic vs Cormier Info and Prediction Thread on: July 02, 2018, 08:30:00 PM
Update: Yancy Medeiros pulled out of his fight with Mike Perry and was replaced by Paul Felder.

Episode 1 of the UFC 226 embedded vblog is up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdUiKGq4ZLo

Cain Velasquez finished Daniel Cormier inside 5 rounds when they first started sparring together and DC was newer to MMA. Not certain how their later sparring sessions went. Cormier laid the blueprint for how to defeat knockout punchers via wrestling/grappling in both of his Anthony Johnson fights. People also tend to forget that DC took Anthony Johnson's hardest punches without being finished. I would be interested to know how much harder Stipe hits than Anthony Johnson, if at all.

Oscar De La Hoya's Goldenboy promotion is doing Tito Ortiz vs Chuck Liddell 3. I wonder how people will feel about that.
2999  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Austin City Hopes Blockchain Helps to End Homelessness on: July 02, 2018, 12:26:53 AM
There are recent movements proposing to utilize biometrics: finger print / retina scanners to catalogue those homeless or living in poverty that receive welfare or assistance from the state in developing nations like africa which could parallel this proposal in austin. What the implications of this are I'm not certain. It is possible that there isn't much information on those who lack bank accounts or full time jobs in terms of what their spending, financial or credit history looks like in terms of consumer demographics. And so this attempt may be made to collect data on them.

There could be a market for this type of data as far as personal information sharing goes. This could represent a grey area where information is unavailable where there isn't yet a developed market.

I agree this likely won't do much to improve or end homelessness.
3000  Economy / Economics / Re: When do you guys think we will hit the next Accumulation stage? on: July 01, 2018, 11:59:28 PM
The recent move from $5800 to $6100+ might have been an accumulation stage where a significant buy in occurred. The question now may be whether momentum can be sustained to greater than $6100 levels or whether the price will be pushed back down to $5800 for yet another accumulation cycle--if investors have confidence the $6500 or so ceiling will be surpassed. I feel like a broken record but it bears repeating that bitcoin has a tendency to peak at the end of the year on increased demand and transactional volume from black friday / christmas shopping / holidays. With the price fall in january of the new year being due to decreased volume post holidays.

To be honest, I haven't been watching transaction volumes, etc. It is possible the price is being artificially pushed down to fuel a significant buy in phase. I definitely would have bought in @ $5800 if I had liquidity.
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