How can this be fixed or resolved for the future?
By people reading the documentation in front of them instead of jumping in head first with no understanding. That said, much like any other software program or new technology, there is documentation, which appears to be extremely well hidden on the bitcoin ... on the very page you download the client. So well hidden in fact that the first 3 items on the page are: - What is Bitcoin?
- FAQ
- Wiki / Help
and even MORE hidden, if you click the help page the first 3 menu items are: - Introduction
- Getting started
- Securing your wallet
I agree that something must be done immediately to protect the public. How dare they place all the information you could ever need to know about safety and security right in front of your eyes on the main pages! And more importantly, how dare they assume that you will educate yourself before using any new software or technology! |
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well I am not eligible to play so I can not win.
I am just trying to come up with interesting ways to use bitcoins.
I looked at your lotto and I like it alot.
Its like mine only better !
thanks
going to shelve this idea for now and think of something else since you already have one.
Sorry didnt mean to try and step on anyones toes.
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I do not want however to see US politicians go all over the place claiming incorrect things about Bitcoin, just because they are ignorant. They will cause global misinformation as whatever they say is echoed broadly.
Politicians have been doing that for thousands of years. Kowtowing to them in an act of servile deference isnt going to stop it. They lie cheat, steal, and use anything they can to pump themselves upon an upcoming election year. By releasing your manifesto here at bitcoin, you are preaching to the chior. Try releasing it to people that can get the word out ... journalists and media sources. Not that they will actually air or print any of it as it does not fall into lock-step with their manipulation agenda. |
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Are there no graphics designers who can make some animated gif banners for bitcoins?
I am sure there are lots of graphic artists around, but not for them prices. you are asking for products that take hours to make and you want to pay between $8 and $16 us dollars. think about it. |
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remove the hard drive containing the bitcoin wallet
buy a new hard drive and install it
install os
install the original hard drive as a secondary hard drive
boot computer from new install and look for wallet on old hard drive
you might have to reclaim ownership privilages if you get access denied errors.
if that doesnt work try some of the free open source data recovery utilities around
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Thanks for the information in this thread, especially cuddlefish and davout.
I was going to add this to my bokmarks of good exchanges.
Now I won't.
The guy obviously knows nothing about the technology his site is using, doesnt care to educate himself, minimises serious flaws, then attempts to belittle and alienate those trying to help him, bascially lying to everyone else that there were/are no problems.
Basically a BS artist PR guy grasping at straws trying to add some fake legitimacy.
I refuse to do business with people like that, let alone trust them with my money.
Avoid this exchange at all costs in my opinion.
PS - plus i seen where he tried to bribe a bitcoin developer to say that bitcoin7 was better than mtgox.
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According to the very insightful movie posted above US HAD already fallen - as long ago as 1913 (FRS/IRS creation)
The problem is to bring the original principles US was founded on back. By now, the WHOLE WORLD is ready to REVOLT against the RULE OF BANKSTERS (call them Rotshilds if you wish). It's very sad to see the US being perceived as the Banksters, but it is so - US is totally occupied by them.
I'm into Bitcoin for this reason, as well as because it's a great technology and social phenomena. Are people of the US ready to do their share in establishing of the Fare New World Order? Forget about capitalizm/communism - I want to have MY MONEY BACK. Money is a social phenomana. They belong to the people, not to the Govt, not to any social class (if we use Marxist discourse), not to any nation, not to any corporation.
I don't like Banksterism, I don't like Socializm or Communism. I just want the normal free market back. With taxes on monetary gains ONLY. In other words, nobody should be able to hoard MONEY. If you can spend what you've earned - no taxes. So - majority of people will not pay any taxes. But those - like these Banks now, that have TRILLIONS in reserves, shall pay, and Govt. SHALL put these money back into the economy. Seems simple.
Maybe with Bitcoin and no ability to issue more money when somebody is hoarding them we can demonstrate that it's simple to run the economy and w/o Banksters and corrupt Govt. the Free Market will do what it does - grouth, prosperity and happiness to the people.
You are talking about a tool they use. A symptom of the problem. They own the presses and can print all the money they want. Its about power and control. To create a propagandized world where everyone thinks they are happy. Enslaved by debt and obligation, doing their patriotic duty as outlined by indoctination and manipulation. A control grid. Money gives them that power and control to influence dupes and minions. Put them into office. Using change agents to indoctrinate and manipulate the public into seeing things how they do. Establishment controlled media, establishment controlled schooling, establishment controlled social programs, establishment controlled society. Pressuring people to think in mainstream ways even if deep inside they disagree or question it, they dont want to be different. This is how they steal our wealth and our rights by enacting legislation under public support by that very indoctrination and manipulation that takes more rights and freedom. Using more oppressive and tyrannical leaders and laws. Why do you think the governemnts frown upon militia, patriots, and constitutionalists and have used media to try and change public perception of them ? Its all about a few controlling the many. A return to serfdom. So they live like kings with anything they want, while everyone else serves them and gets as little as possible, jsut enough so they wont revolt and kill the king. Its simply rolling back time to the age of Pharohs and Kings whos word was law and no one had any rights. They biggest tools are war and the money. If they can kill our resolve and disenfranchise us enough, we may be willing to accept world government as the only saving grace. The ecnonomy, global warming, the ozone threat, world wars, police actions, the enviromental movement, and many more are all tools used to change the hearts and minds of the people. they are slamming us from 100 different directions with just as many tools. they want all land, all wealth, and all resources for themselves. the manipulation and indoctrination are working for them. They change agents are gradually changing the hearts and minds of the people. the divide and conquer strategy is working. The main problem is the people for our apathy and disinterests in what truly makes us free. Very few citizens feel they ahve the ability and responsibility to protect their own freedom, while many do not even recognise that there is a problem, let along knowing the cause and what they can do to fix it even if they recognised it. if a few billion armed world citizens stood up to them in unison with an ultimatum, they would run like cowards. |
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if you care about freedom and liberty.
Yes I do. The thing "the US" doesn't get IMHO is that a person's freedom ends where another's begins. It's too easy building your citizens' freedom at the expense of other peoples'. Mind you: I'd be equally critic if this were to be the position of the EU or whatever else. It's just that these kind of things generally come always from the US (ACTA, SWIFT, etc.) - so I get started up pretty easily when somebody links "freedom" and "US". And BTW, I disagree with the primadonna view of the US: no, you're not strictly needed. Simlarly, the EU is not strictly needed, Japan is not strictly needed, China isn't either and so is India. Nobody's strictly needed. You are not speaking about the US. You are speaking about the insidious influence who puts dupes and minions into power throughout world governments. Those bastardizing what this country and the rest of the free world were built upon are the ones you should direct your vitriol towards. Not any nation nor its people. The rest of the world is all bought up with WB/IMF loans they cant even pay the interests on. Europe already fell to the globalists geopolitical and financial power. The asian union and african union are not far off. All it would take is for america to fall completely to start a chain reaction steamrolling to world towards a global police state with centralized executive, legislature, judiciary, and military. Go read some realy history books, not the ones they give you in school not the information in the media. They are dividing and conquering us by splitting us apart. We are brothers and sisters fighting the same battle in the same war. There is still time while we have freedom left. If freedom and liberty were truly gone, we would be arrested for having this discussion and put in re-education camps. It's not to late... for now. |
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who gives a damn about the US?
Your and everyone else in the world should care if you care about freedom and liberty. If the US falls, the rest of the world is not far behind. We citizens of the world are brothers and sisters. We need to unite under freedom and liberty, for that is our true common bond. |
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They wont let the dollar hyper inflate. At least not for long. They will kill the dollar and either create another US currency or push in the Amero if we ever get near hyper-inflation. |
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In what way is coming to the conclusion that the effort required to securely use bitcoin plus the risk of losing your money despite your attempts at security isn't worth the benefits to be gained not exercising "personal responsibility" and thinking for yourself?
For the 3rd or 4th time now, I have never disagreed with a software design more protecting of the BTC wallet. I simply believe it isnt needed and bitoin holds no responsibility to develop it. It sounds very much like you're implying anyone who doesn't come to the same conclusion as you must be brainwashed, which is a very annoying and tiresome argument indeed. (Partly because I've heard it far too many times from far too many different groups.)
so "far to many groups" agree with my stance and not yours "far to many times" ? I can certainly understand your exhaustion and frustration. I don't agree with it but I can understand it. Just throwing this out there ... Ever think that possibly they are right and you are wrong ? Well, yes... which is why pretty much no-one keeps all their savings in cash, banks have various methods to prevent fraudulent credit card and bank transactions and contractual obligations to refund them, there's infrastructure in place to identify and track stolen vehicles
I disagree with this as well. I know MANY people who keep the lions share of their wealth in tangible physical items they can protect and have instant access to should they need to buy, sell, or trade. |
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Hmmmm, "un-a-lien-able" as in liens? That'd make you a member of the sovereign citizen movement, or something similar?
No I do not believe in the sovereign citizen movement. I do not believe in the "redemption strawman acceptance for value" programs. If they are true or not I do not know, but I have seen no evidence one way or the other. I believe I am an American Citizen. One with rights no one can take away. Now if some evidence comes along proving otherwise, you can bet I'll be the first one change my stance on it. I believe in the constitution and bill of rights. If they want Bitcoin to be widely used, they kinda do. There are existing methods of transferring and storing money that are easier to protect against this attack than Bitcoin is, and are accepted in more places to boot. What's more, if no-one uses Bitcoin, then the bitcoins themselves are fundamentally worthless.
I agree that negative perception by an uneducated populace unwilling to think for themselves and unwilling to excersize personal responsibility, regardless of facts and realities, could negatively affect wide usage of bitcoin. Not using bitcoin seems like the most sensible way of protecting your wealth from attackers who're trying to steal your bitcoin wallet to me.
I agree 100%, and anyone: not willing to think for themselves, excersize some personal responsibility, who will grasp at straws to blame anyone other than themselves as a scapegoat, should definately not be using the bitcoin system. |
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You are correct that it is a strong view of property rights. I am not a socialist. I do not believe in a pure mob-rule democracy, which is indespensible to socialism, and redistribution of wealth. I believe in un-a-lien-able birth rights that can never be taken away. I believe it is my responsibility to protect my rights, my property, and my wealth which I have collected and paid for with my blood, sweat, and tears. I believe I have the right to donate and share my wealth, just as firmly as I believe that I have the right not to. I do not believe that is stronger than any legal system in existence.
right, my point is that this sort of extremism still doesn't matter; you ought to agree with practical suggestions for bitcoin regardless, or at least provide a reason they wouldn't improve the product. (at least, that's true unless your political philosophy is so extreme that you actually want there to be strife caused by the product because it promotes a kind of social darwinism. the way many people in this forum talk, you'd think they'd like the idea of harsh legal rules that cause suffering even, hypothetically, if resources weren't scarce and there weren't a need for their capitalistic allocation in the first place. it's as if the mechanism in response to scarce resources is accepted as a moral primitive on faith as a positive thing in its own right. that is a bizarre political philosophy held by almost nobody except those with unstudied intuitions on the matter, but i'd rather not debate political philosophy in detail here; it's exceedingly frustrating to do so.) in any event, i'm not talking about impressing jeff garzik or gavin andresen into service to add a feature i like; i'm giving them a suggestion that would help many end users. i'd code it myself, but the coding is not difficult, nor is it the main barrier to adoption; it would require a somewhat coordinated decision because it could lead to disagreements among clients about valid transactions in future. that is not, of course, a weighty reason against its adoption in the present. Again, I have never disagreed with a software design more protecting of the BTC wallet. I have no political philosophy. I am a political eunic. I do not think we should have parties giving us minor issues to fight over, to divide and conquer us, and to keep us distracted from the real issues affecting us daily. I believe all political parties are identical at the top on the major issues most do not know about. My extreme beliefs are quite simple really. Anyone should be able to do anything they damn well please unless they are hurting others, causing others loss, or infringing on the rights and property of another. Hardly extreme or radical. It might seem extreme compared to your ideology though. I do not blame you. I just think you have been indoctrinated and manipulated. Groupthink/speak is never good. The individual is what matters most. It's great to help others. I love helping others. I just dont want to be indoctrinated, manipulated, and forced at gunpoint to do it. The only reason its being forced upon us is so that we can be controlled. Thats enslavement, son. Pure and simple serfdom. All it takes to be enslaved is to be obligated. That's it. It does not have to be chains of steel, in a jail cell, and you do not have to be hanging on a wall. Your ideology is just another tool for the control grid, just like the central banking system of debt based fiat currency and a million others. Sad thing is most tools they use are so manipulated in normal life, well-hidden, and visually insignificant that we will never recognise a fraction of them. The people dont even understand their enemy. Most dont even know that an enemy exists. Yet they have no explanation for declining freedom, liberties, wealth, health, society in general, morality and values, relationships, and socialist education systems. Things just keep getting worse and few know why. Then they give us the pre-made answer to the situation they have created. One world, one dream. Everyone put their "stuff" in a pile and share. More oppressive laws. More tyrannical leadership. More radical movements. Gradually stripping away from us our freedom, liberty, and everything else we value, indoctrinating many to volunteer for it. Our common bond is freedom. Nothing else. Without freedom you can never have anything you propose to value, and it's being stripped away from us one interest dollar at a time. One socialist curriculum at a time. One right and liberty at a time. We are on the same side in the same battle for the same war. You just dont realise it. They are using you. i am still laughing - thanks for that. |
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Who protects the other personal wealth in your home ?
you do.
even if you believe this (though it sounds like an untenably strong view of property rights - stronger than those of any legal system in existence), many people would want to choose tools that help them protect their 'wealth' rather than encourage theft. there are many things bitcoin could do better in this respect. for example, the block chain could easily record commitments that prevent spending beyond a certain amount from an address in an certain time. why force end users to set up complex and potentially fragile 'savings' wallets when bitcoin could simply support a voluntary declaration, recorded in the block chain, that transfers beyond some particular fraction of the wealth of an address (or some fixed amount) in a particular period are invalid? surely some people would want to use a feature like that, and it would be relatively straightforward to implement. there are other possibilities. for example, users can record commitments using nLockTime in the block chain as a sort of 'forced savings', though at present that probably wouldn't help much with security unless the user could ensure unique possession of the target address in the future. other script-based mechanisms can aid security as well. but there's no reason bitcoin can't improve in this regard, and i'll criticize yet again the remarkable complacency, cultural conservatism, and fear of change that's been on exhibit in these forums for well over a year now. (i've seen it in literally no other open-source project i've ever worked on, and it's remarkably dysfunctional.) 'personal responsibility' is a pretty silly mantra from the perspective of a systems designer. You are correct that it is a strong view of property rights. I am not a socialist. I do not believe in a pure mob-rule democracy, which is indespensible to socialism, and redistribution of wealth. I believe in un-a-lien-able birth rights that can never be taken away. I believe it is my responsibility to protect my rights, my property, and my wealth which I have collected and paid for with my blood, sweat, and tears. I believe I have the right to donate and share my wealth, just as firmly as I believe that I have the right not to. I do not believe that is stronger than any legal system in existence. I have never disagreed with a software design more protecting of the BTC wallet, but it does not exist, and i do not believe bitcoin holds any responsibility to create one. They have everything you need in their documentation and wiki to help you protect your wallet. To say they do, is to say the central banks holds the responsibility to protect the cash in your home. Same goes for all other posessions and wealth in the home. So the onus is on the user to protect their home, property, wealth, and bitcoin wallet. Those are the facts. That is reality. Just because you feel it should be different does not negate that fact that it isnt different, and bitcoin holds absolutely no responsibility in that regard. Yes, personal responsibility. Its all about personal responsibility. That means you are responsible for yourself and what you own. Sure the police can investigate and possibly catch the perpetrators, but they do not prevent the theft as exemplified by the OP. I protect what I have earned ... with deadly force if necessary. Part of that protection is prevention so force, deadly or otherwise, is hopefully never required to begin with. I dont leave $25k laying out in the open for someone to steal. I don't believe anyone else has the responsibility to protect what is mine unless I enter into contract with them to protect it. I must congratulate bitcoin for putting that protection information on their website to help you protect your wallet. They had no responsibility to do that either. Problem is few take personal responsibility seriously. They dont research. They dont read. They need instant gratification and steam in head first without any understanding, even when all the information they need is right on the screen in front of them. Then they blame someone else for their own failures. It is unfortunate, but the only one to blame is the one in the mirror. |
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I do know basics of how a computer works, but that doesn't make me a security expert. I don't want to become a security expert, and I don't want to spend hundreds of hours learning about security. In an ideal world I would, because yes, that is an interesting topic, but as it turns out I have other things to spend my time on.
Not everyone can be an expert in security. That's an unrealistic request. It would be nice if we had people who knew security giving out useful, actionable advice rather than "that sucks. learn real security. compare the hashes of all your .exe's by hand".
I guess I'm still frustrated because I don't know what mistakes the OP made (besides using Windows in the first place), and therefore I don't know if I'm making the same ones too.
can you read a web page and follow very simple instructions to protect your wallet, allowing other experts to advise you who already did the work ? if not, then cash in your bitcoins, delete the client, and continue using fiat currrency from central banks, because no one can help you. Who protects the other personal wealth in your home ? you do. protecting the assets in your home is not bitcoins responsibility. |
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If the Justice Department investigates bitcoins they may discover that the Federal Reserve is in violation of the Constitution.
Remember Andrew Jackson? He warned us about such a central bank.
Who owns the Federal Reserve? Shouldn't it be public record?
"Old Hickory" did much more than warn us. He actually BEAT the central banks and was the only president to pay off the national debt! The ownership of the federal reserve is hidden, but that fact that its private is public knowledge. It simply is not advertised because those in power and those in the press and media are owned and controlled by board of director members who are part of the world central banking system, who owns the A-Stock certificates in the worlds central banks. All the same players here working for a small group. |
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The US and French governments seem to think they have international jurisdiction.... but they dont!
Tell that to the 36 sovereign nations the US alone has attacked or invaded since (not including) World War II without declarations of war. Since when has jurisdiction stopped the US from doing anything it wanted, at any time it wanted, and anywhere it wanted ?? Yes, I am a US citizen. |
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