Actually you are presenting non factual information as Inaba ie Joshua does post here. You are definitely posting like someone whom does not have a high IQ as all you have presented in any post is your assumptions. While I have used examples to show things people refuse to believe, I never claimed any of them were fact. I have said things like "If they shipped 1.5TH a day, this would be the result" and I have performed the calculations based on that IF. People have made statements that shipping has stalled all because Singles: July 4 appeared 2 days in a row. From there they make claims that BFL is intentionally NOT shipping to FORCE people to switch orders. Followed by: BFL: 7PH and rising.
Oops. bcp19 was asked to provide evidence of that 7PH and rising claim, but of course could not. There are many more examples of bcp19 confusing fact and fan-fiction.  What you fail to note is that they asked for a GUESTIMATE of how mant TH of preorders each company has. A guess is a guess. I never claimed it to be fact, it was, is and always will be a guess. While you think cutting and pasting little anecdotes is cute and funny, in reality it is rather sad. Instead fo trying to find REAL proof of anything, you manufacture it and mis-repesent it. Grow up already. Guesstimate: an estimate based on a mixture of guesswork and calculation.When asked for your calculation, you could provide none. Of course, you could provide your calculations for the 7PH here. Then we could ridicule them and send you on your way. But I doubt someone with as much pride as you would risk showing your work.  |
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About half his posts are in BFL threads. Way too much work for a sock puppet. I think he is just a BFL fanboi with too much pride to admit his BFL orders were a bad investment.
Name: k9quaint Posts: 1894 Activity: 686 Position: Hero Member Date Registered: July 30, 2011, 11:13:52 PM Funny... Your last 100 posts (and maybee 90% of all your posts) are about Butterfly lab... Perfect illustration of fan-boi magical thinking. First, comparing an account who just registered less than 2 months ago to one that registered over 2 years ago. Second, only skimming the last 5% of the posts and extrapolating that out to the entire data set. No wonder these nitwits got fleeced by BFL, as they are incapable of doing even the most rudimentary of research. |
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Actually you are presenting non factual information as Inaba ie Joshua does post here. You are definitely posting like someone whom does not have a high IQ as all you have presented in any post is your assumptions. While I have used examples to show things people refuse to believe, I never claimed any of them were fact. I have said things like "If they shipped 1.5TH a day, this would be the result" and I have performed the calculations based on that IF. People have made statements that shipping has stalled all because Singles: July 4 appeared 2 days in a row. From there they make claims that BFL is intentionally NOT shipping to FORCE people to switch orders. Followed by: BFL: 7PH and rising.
Oops. bcp19 was asked to provide evidence of that 7PH and rising claim, but of course could not. There are many more examples of bcp19 confusing fact and fan-fiction. |
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2) Cold Hard Facts. I use what facts I personally know and extrapolate logically, most of what I see if hate filled bashing with .01% actual fact being presented as fact.
Name: bcp19 Posts: 341 Activity: 56 Position: Member Date Registered: July 05, 2013, 03:28:38 PM About half his posts are in BFL threads. Way too much work for a sock puppet. I think he is just a BFL fanboi with too much pride to admit his BFL orders were a bad investment. And back on track: If you have ordered from ButterFly Labs and have not yet received your product, you are entitled to a refund whenever you request one (per FTC rules). First ask ButterFly Labs for a refund, they will probably say no but you might get lucky. If you ordered via PayPal you can file a complaint with them even if you are outside the 45 day window. Multiple customers have already gotten a refund from PayPal that was outside the 45 days. If you ordered via Bitcoin or Bank wire, you can fill out a complaint with the FTC and they will advocate for you with ButterFly Labs to get your refund. You can also contact the office of the Kansas Attorney General and inform them that you have had your money taken with no product delivered for months, just more promises. You can also do a paper filing with the DA here: http://da.jocogov.org/complaint-formsThere are also several threads on how to get a refund from ButterFly Labs, here are two: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266945.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=272585.0 |
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Holy crap. BCP19 is the latest BFL sock. Everyone hail to the king of socks!
A sock? Hmm. IQ: 218 Attended M.I.T. for 4 terms totally got like 6 doctorates in stuff Worked for Greenpeace, Doctors without Borders and the Supreme Court all at the same time. Joined the military. Because a general on the second day. Wrote all the tactics they teach at West Point. Flew Helicoptors one handed. Invented semi-conductors in my spare time. Retired after 20 years. Now I just hang out with Bill Gates and the Dalai Lama. Also invented Bitcoin n stuff. I sure don't see sock puppet in there anywhere, sorry. Wow, I guess he is totally not a sockpuppet or shill since it is impossible for random accounts created recently on Bitcointalk to lie about their past. |
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Does this thread even belong in the custom hardware section? It has absolutely nothing to do with actual hardware.
Also, do we really need something like five separate threads all repeating the same stuff over and over again?
That is the point, if BFL could manage to ship actual hardware to customers who have been waiting over a year we wouldn't have these threads. Nowadays, most news from BFL has to do with pretend hardware called monarch rather than "actual hardware" anyways. |
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I am guessing they haven't paid one cent in sales tax.
Can't we even get past the second post without spreading misinformation? That is not misinformation, that is exactly what I am guessing. Paying taxes is not Sonny's style. |
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Who can show actual damages which cant be attributed to having 20/20 hindsight vision? Meaning any argument along the lines of "well if i would have just been able to predict the future I would not have lost money" doesn't count.
Actual damages is the lost mining income that resulted from BFL's failure to deliver in Oct 2012 (or whenever the latest promised date from BFL was when the order was placed). Should be a slam dunk case, since BFL is violating FTC rules (which are there to prevent this exact sort of situation). In which case you would also need to know their exact orderbook at that time, along with the total increase in network speed that would occur prior to you receiving your equipment along with your current mining receipts from that time until now to prove you hadn't spent anything (since most will claim the 10x increase in BTC pricing as a loss as well). You'd probably need a lot more as well, like estimates on the drop in BTC price due to the flood of extra coins on the market while the difficulty tries to keep up while more than double the normal amount of coins is mined. Sure looks like a slam dunk to me... NOT! The BFL order book can be had with a subpoena. A June 2012 order should have been be delivered before any other ASIC, so it should be trivial to calculate from BFL's order book how much mining income was destroyed due to their delays. |
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I am guessing they haven't paid one cent in sales tax.
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Who can show actual damages which cant be attributed to having 20/20 hindsight vision? Meaning any argument along the lines of "well if i would have just been able to predict the future I would not have lost money" doesn't count.
Actual damages is the lost mining income that resulted from BFL's failure to deliver in Oct 2012 (or whenever the latest promised date from BFL was when the order was placed). Should be a slam dunk case, since BFL is violating FTC rules (which are there to prevent this exact sort of situation). |
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Yea, I don't think that bolded part get's him out of it. What if the reader were to stop reading before that line? They might be confused into thinking josh said his hardware will earn the buyer X amount of money. Why would any person NOT demand a refund before these fools go bankrupt? * Viceroy facepalms Judge: Did you read the contract before you signed it? Plaintiff: Well, I read part of it Judge: So you did not read this part here... Plaintiff: No Judge: Case Dismissed... NEXT! Those terms do not compose part of the sales contract, they are testimonials published about the products and thus are marketing. http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/marketing-fraud.htmlOriginally, there was no sales contract at all (even now there are just a few lines). Just an exchange of money for an order number. Thus, the terms of the UCC are what will be enforced. |
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5 months ago, BFL knew exactly how many boards they needed for their mini-rig orders. Yet somehow, they failed to order a few dozen PCBs? For 5 months, they were unable to order them? Even I don't think BFL was that low on cash. Or that high on dope.
On the other hand, a whole bunch of chips go into those boards and those chips are really expensive. So I could understand BFL waiting until their new chip order arrives (100 days from who knows when) before they make any more mini-rigs. This way they can continue to ship a few Jalapenos each day and show "progress".
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The fact that BFL deletes posts from their website that contain the FTC rules being broken, might be a bit of a red flag. |
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Indeed. Requested refund on Monday (2013-08-21), denied citing the "all sales final" condition. Further correspondence included an interesting tidbit: We aren't accepting refunds and have not accepted refunds for the past several weeks I have been in this position. I've read different here, and heard different from a friend of mine. But I don't really know first hand. So while I hope that the this policy is reinstated, it doesn't appear to be from my perspective. I filed a complaint with the FTC, the Kansas AG, and the Kansas BBB, I guess we'll see what happens. You could forward to BFL that you have taken these actions. Along with: "no sale has yet taken place" because you have not received your merchandise. BFL can be fined for up to $16,000 for each instance of these violations. This would give them one last chance to do what the law requires of them. |
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I'm very concerned and have not too much hope that any of the Minirigs will pay back. Our only chance would be a refund, maybe we should see how we can work together to get our money back?
I have a minirig order from March of 2013. They have refused my refund. I am going to pursue legal action with a very good friend who was an attorney at Federman & Sherwood for 5 years and recently took a better job. This case is exactly their bread and butter. If you have been refused a refund and are interested in your legal options, please PM me. Thanks. This is what I love about the instant gratification crowd... "not too much hope that any of the Minirigs will pay back" and They have refused my refund. I am going to pursue legal action. Personally, I hope you request AND get your refunds. That way, 6 months or a year or 2 years down the road when all the bitcoins you WOULD have carefully mined and stored since the receipt of your unit become worth 10-20x what you paid for it, I can laugh at your for your shortsightedness and stupidity. Waiting for over a year while enduring insults and disdain from BFL hardly qualifies one for the "instant gratification crowd". Also, they could just buy Bitcoins with the refund. Then they would actually have Bitcoins instead of mere promises of them. |
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Shutup And Give Me Your Money Labs They could also gouge their "customers" on credit card fees:  |
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If BFL is purposely slowing the Minirig line, to force big-money investors to switch their investment to the Monarch line, this would be very troubling.
You cannot switch to monarch if you have an order in "fullfilled" state (after one mini rig has shipped). I suspect they are running out of cases or other parts. BTW, slowing the shipment rate, only helps the early adopters. People who have late mini rig orders will switch to monarch, just a matter of time. How could you run out of parts when you KNOW how many orders you have AND you already have their money? Parts cost money. Their chip sales fell flat on it's face. Of course, with a new infusion of investors, BFL can continue paying for the old ones. |
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Also Posted in Pre-Sales at BFL Forum
MiniRig Line:Concerned
Via Jody's blog, we can conclude the minirig line made ZERO progress from roughly August 15th until today. It seems ONE 500 GH/s unit has been completed since then (as seen on Jody's Update yesterday). If only one 500 GH/s unit has been completed since the 15th, which is 8 days...How, at ONE 500 GH/s unit EVERY 8 DAYS, will BFL ever complete the backlog?
If BFL is purposely slowing the Minirig line, to force big-money investors to switch their investment to the Monarch line, this would be very troubling.
I welcome BFL to clarify why this line, which so much money has been dumped into by customers, is moving so slowly...Neglect, lack of coordination, or fraud?
Also, since I have 1.5 TH/s to my order...Can I assume, at one 500GH/s rig every 8 days, my order will take 24 DAYS to build and fulfill?
Thanks for your time
PS: I'm not an angry troll, I've invested in the Minirig line and I'm extremely concerned at the lack of progress. And seemingly no effort to correct it..
Are no other MiniRig purchasers as concerned as I am?
BFL says you guys won't ask for refunds. Maybe they don't feel like they need to bother making your stuff.  |
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I took a bit of a closer look at this picture. That unit is one of our development units with short boards inside... I thought that setup looked familiar.
It is a total scam.
Thanks Inaba.....but somehow he has some hashing power on his hands.....he was able to direct almost 80GH/s to a pool I asked him to...not sure how he did it. but did so consistently for 20 mins. They need only know someone with an Avalon, they could run 1 module, then 2, then 3 to simulate multiple units. Plus, the question is not whether they have at least 1 unit. The question is, if you send them BTC with no escrow, will they send you hardware. After so many questions about the authenticity of the pictures, I wouldn't do business with them unless via a reputable escrow service. |
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