Don't count your TH/s until they have arrived, in boards and mining.
The Avalon factory could (in theory) burn to the ground. Other things could delay the delivery. But I think the OP's point was that the ~200 TH had been ordered, not delivered. |
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Is this a new kind of maneuver where idiot A says something stupid, and idiot B backs him up, on said stupidity being essentially valid??
Whatever happened to just admitting you said something incredibly stupid and working on the next stupidity to come in the near future?
Xian01 20 42.02600000 payment/shipping recieved 20 units = 6GH/s - this guy had a 2012 order and blew it big time https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjCZrDbAiz_PdE4tbDR3X3owMHNMb1NyekJGWHN4QlE#gid=0Unless BFL never ships. Then he comes out ahead. Especially if there are not enough funds left in the BFL coffers to refund everyone. |
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What should I trust my order number to be? It can't honestly be as far back as it is, with fake orders and uncompleted payments and whatnot. I seen my invoice # but it can't be THAT low.(10,000 under Order #)
Trust and BFL are unlikely to be both in the same sentence and true. |
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There are tons of companies selling ASICs. What you want is a company that is shipping ASICs.
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I guess one way of testing this hypothesis is getting Sonny put back behind bars, there certainly are enough reasons.
Then see if "wrenchmonkey" shuts TF up.
They have phones in prison if u suck enough dick...so i think monkey boy would have easy access to the forum...lol I figured that was how he was talking to us right now. |
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So the ebay seller "runawayfaster" only has 2 references and has been a member since April 18, 2013. Both references are for 100% and from leafybug55.
Leafybug55 has been around a while and has sold a lot of BTC on ebay.
Something doesn't smell right.
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I am very disappointed by Nicksasa's actions.  I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but he did not live up to his responsibilities. |
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... I must admit, it's been amusing watching you "super sleuths" perform your mental acrobatics ...
Funny wm - keep posting my friend you have me in stitches sometimes. Does that mean you think Sonny was innocent of the mail fraud charges? That he was just a victim of a witch hunt? Clever comment man - I take it you: 1) Don't have a BFL order. 2) Don't want a BFL order (unless they start shipping - then you will have known it was a good idea all along). 3) Don't want anyone else to get an ASIC because it will slow your hash rate down (like puerto). I don't know whether I care about Sonny tbh - I have an ASIC order and that pisses peops off on this thread... How would I know? Clever comment man - I take it you: 1) have a keyboard 2) have some other input device 3) have some sort of LCD or CRT upon which to display the content of posts in this forum If you have an ASIC order with BFL, you have our pity not our enmity. You should probably care if the president of BFL (as far as the state of MO is concerned) was convicted of a major fraud. How would you know what? |
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You , or your troll clones. I am posting from my phone, so I cant go digging through 30+ pages of you people's bullshit in order to pick names. Apologies if you werent the on who originally brought it up , but you certainly havent failed to latch onto it as thoughit is something of any significance...  Apology accepted. |
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"Recommend" is another word for "Request" in this instance. Now then, is it your assertion that the IRS was not, in fact, involved in this case, or are you merely trying to obfuscate the issue more?
Simple question. Yes or No. Was the IRS involved in the case that was brought against Mr. Vlesides?
I don't have to obfuscate anything. I posted links to every legal document filed in United States v. Vleisides et al. You posted that you read somewhere on the internet that it is cool to defraud retired senior citizens of their savings. Yes. The IRS was involved in that investigation. I am glad you backpedaled from IRS indicted him, to IRS was involved in the investigation. The evidence presented to the grand jury did include tax returns filed by the defendants to prove the income flowed from the lottery scams to their personal funds. IMO, the IRS criminal investigation unit should be consulted in financial crimes committed by US citizens. Tax returns are great way to establish ownership of funds and mens rea. Of course, if they didn't declare the funds on their taxes you have them for tax evasion. The US postal inspectors are currently responsible for investigating mail fraud, which is what the defendants committed, were charged with, and were convicted of. You should be building a conspiracy theory against the USPS. And regarding your other nonsense about the copper: I don't think you are Sonny, he seems way more competent than you. I just find it interesting that you felate BFL, you think mail fraud scams are cool, and you also invested in copper. Of course, you provide absolutely no evidence what so ever and whenever you are proven a liar you just backpedal and pretend nothing happened. So then why have you been pretending that the IRS wasn't involved? I wasn't pretending anything. I was the person posting links to the documents that demonstrated that it was not "an IRS witch hunt" like you portrayed it. Here's the recap:
1. Somebody asked why anybody would do business with BFL, knowing Sonny was involved, and knowing the history of Sonny.
2. I responded that I didn't believe that the case really consisted of much more than an IRS witch hunt (answering the question as to why I don't have any major reservations in dealing with him.
#2 demonstrates your total lack of knowledge of the case. I posted links to the documentation that proved that your statement was false. You continue to deny in the face of overwhelming evidence. This proves you are incapable of rational thought when it comes to Sonny et al.3. You try and distort things and pretend that the IRS wasn't involved.
4. You accuse me of ripping off old ladies of their pensions (or at least supporting it), since you don't have an acutal arguemnt.
5. You continue to try and distort.
Here is you making more things up. My post history speaks for itself. Yours speaks of a BFL sycophant desperate to deflect criticism and the disclosure of facts. For anyone else interested in the facts you can read them here: http://www.plainsite.org/flashlight/case.html?id=15005266. You dig up some random post I made on a precious metals thread about having used copper as a sort of 'poor mans gold' because base metal costs are rising, and try and twist it into an association with some obscure correlation with some alleged "penny scheme" because pennies are ALSO made of copper.
That was not me. Then again, if you could read we wouldn't be having this discussion. |
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... I must admit, it's been amusing watching you "super sleuths" perform your mental acrobatics ...
Funny wm - keep posting my friend you have me in stitches sometimes. Does that mean you think Sonny was innocent of the mail fraud charges? That he was just a victim of a witch hunt? |
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"Recommend" is another word for "Request" in this instance. Now then, is it your assertion that the IRS was not, in fact, involved in this case, or are you merely trying to obfuscate the issue more?
Simple question. Yes or No. Was the IRS involved in the case that was brought against Mr. Vlesides?
I don't have to obfuscate anything. I posted links to every legal document filed in United States v. Vleisides et al. You posted that you read somewhere on the internet that it is cool to defraud retired senior citizens of their savings. Yes. The IRS was involved in that investigation. I am glad you backpedaled from IRS indicted him, to IRS was involved in the investigation. The evidence presented to the grand jury did include tax returns filed by the defendants to prove the income flowed from the lottery scams to their personal funds. IMO, the IRS criminal investigation unit should be consulted in financial crimes committed by US citizens. Tax returns are great way to establish ownership of funds and mens rea. Of course, if they didn't declare the funds on their taxes you have them for tax evasion. The US postal inspectors are currently responsible for investigating mail fraud, which is what the defendants committed, were charged with, and were convicted of. You should be building a conspiracy theory against the USPS. And regarding your other nonsense about the copper: I don't think you are Sonny, he seems way more competent than you. I just find it interesting that you felate BFL, you think mail fraud scams are cool, and you also invested in copper. Of course, you provide absolutely no evidence what so ever and whenever you are proven a liar you just backpedal and pretend nothing happened. |
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Wow, schizophrenic much? This is like watching Russel Crowe 'decrypt the Russian secrets in the newspapers,' minus the whole 'brilliant human being' part.
I occasionally buy copper Bullion, when I can pick it up below spot. Anybody with two brain cells to rub together knows that bullion is easier to store than coins. Copper is sold by the POUND or more, to most serious buyers, and a pile of 5lb ingots is MUCH easier to store than 5 lbs of pennies.
I call bullshit. So you "trade" $15 dollar 5lb copper ingots and take physical delivery of them? BS. After delivery and return delivery you could not make money. Both Sonny Vleidises and "Wrenchmonkey" have invested in schemes involving physical copper. Interesting.  |
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There's also a difference between what I said, and what you actually accuse me of saying. I didn't say I was an "expert" on anything. I said I've read plenty of legal documents.
The questions was asked why anybody would place an order with a company who X,Y,Z. I responded as to why I (being one of those people) placed an order with said company, in spite of X,Y,Z. And was attacked for it. Don't ask the fucking question if you don't want the answer.
@wrenchmonkey Perhaps if your posts were not laden with false statements, the community might be less hostile towards you. Also, you could lessen your use of the terms "troll", "douche", and such. Continuous name calling is one of the tactics BFL PR uses on these forums and it does not engender feelings of respect. Finally, you might spend a little time reading before you make ridiculous assertions. Weirdly, you are not the first account on bitcointalk to suggest that Mr. Vleisides was the victim of evil government or media machinations. I expect you will not be the last. From our point of view, it is you and those like you that sounds like the broken record. Just another low post account who either hasn't read any history behind the issues, or is deliberately clouding the air for reasons unknown. @ bitcoiner49er Love your analogy extension. No cats, but still excellent internets.  You keep accusing me of false statements, but you're unable to produce any. Who is the broken record? You said the IRS indicted Sonny. I corrected you. You said it was an IRS witch hunt. I corrected you. You just said you made no false statements. I have now corrected you. You will continue to make false statements in support of BFL for reasons that are not clear. No, you're playing the semantics game. The US DOJ files indictments for the entity that requests it. In this case, the IRS. I said that it appears to me to be little more than an IRS witch hunt (statement of opinion, not of fact, and not up for debate in terms of "false statements"), The US DOJ would have been merely accessory to (since they're the ones who actually do the prosecution, once a case/witch hunt gets turned over to them). They apparently weren't given a particularly strong case, however, throwing out most of the charges in exchange for avoiding a trial (for which they have unlimited funding). Federal prosecutors only care about a conviction rate. If they think they don't have a particularly strong case, they'll throw out most of it in exchange for a mere conviction. If they actually thought he was a bad guy, they would've thrown the book at him, knowing that they with a strong case, and unlimited funds, they would eventually bury him. Come on, you can do better than that. You've been accusing me of making false statements since well before this even came up. Getting desperate? @wrenchmonkey Ah, now you begin to backpedal frantically. I guess you finally realize that I can and will quote your misinformation as warnings to others who might order from BFL. More disinformation from you: The IRS does not "request" indictments. They investigate and if they determine a crime has been committed that should be prosecuted, they then recommend that case to the DoJ. The DoJ does their own investigation and analysis and then determine if an indictment should be issued. In this case, the investigation was initiated by the US Postal Inspection Service and the prosecution was done by the DoJ. https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/radDocs/PressRoom/nr110114.htmMore disinformation from you: The case was strong enough that the ring leader was sentenced to 5 years. Of course, Sonny pled out first and had counts dropped in exchange for his plea testimony. Had he not pled guilty and given his plea deal testimony he might have had the book thrown at him. You can read all about every single filing in the case here: http://www.plainsite.org/flashlight/case.html?id=1500526Perhaps you should actually read the evidence instead of just dreaming up what you would like to have happened and representing it here as fact. |
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What are you trying to find? Bitching and moaning from the OP? Hint: it's on every page of this thread, and most pages of most other threads involving BFL.  Hardly surprising. People tend to complain when they're constantly lied to. Seems to be a small handful of people making all the noise? That is part of the problem. There is so much evidence about the history of BFL that people just see a wall of text and refuse to read it. Thus it just comes across as "noise". Since we cannot rely on people to read, we have to continuously dispel nonsense brought up by the Wrenchmonkeys of the world. There's also a difference between what I said, and what you actually accuse me of saying. I didn't say I was an "expert" on anything. I said I've read plenty of legal documents. The questions was asked why anybody would place an order with a company who X,Y,Z. I responded as to why I (being one of those people) placed an order with said company, in spite of X,Y,Z. And was attacked for it. Don't ask the fucking question if you don't want the answer. @wrenchmonkey Perhaps if your posts were not laden with false statements, the community might be less hostile towards you. Also, you could lessen your use of the terms "troll", "douche", and such. Continuous name calling is one of the tactics BFL PR uses on these forums and it does not engender feelings of respect. Finally, you might spend a little time reading before you make ridiculous assertions. Weirdly, you are not the first account on bitcointalk to suggest that Mr. Vleisides was the victim of evil government or media machinations. I expect you will not be the last. From our point of view, it is you and those like you that sounds like the broken record. Just another low post account who either hasn't read any history behind the issues, or is deliberately clouding the air for reasons unknown. @ bitcoiner49er Love your analogy extension. No cats, but still excellent internets. You keep accusing me of false statements, but you're unable to produce any. Who is the broken record? You said the IRS indicted Sonny. I corrected you. You said it was an IRS witch hunt. I corrected you. You just said you made no false statements. I have now corrected you. You will continue to make false statements in support of BFL for reasons that are not clear. |
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What are you trying to find? Bitching and moaning from the OP? Hint: it's on every page of this thread, and most pages of most other threads involving BFL. Hardly surprising. People tend to complain when they're constantly lied to. Seems to be a small handful of people making all the noise? That is part of the problem. There is so much evidence about the history of BFL that people just see a wall of text and refuse to read it. Thus it just comes across as "noise". Since we cannot rely on people to read, we have to continuously dispel nonsense brought up by the Wrenchmonkeys of the world. There's also a difference between what I said, and what you actually accuse me of saying. I didn't say I was an "expert" on anything. I said I've read plenty of legal documents. The questions was asked why anybody would place an order with a company who X,Y,Z. I responded as to why I (being one of those people) placed an order with said company, in spite of X,Y,Z. And was attacked for it. Don't ask the fucking question if you don't want the answer. @wrenchmonkey Perhaps if your posts were not laden with false statements, the community might be less hostile towards you. Also, you could lessen your use of the terms "troll", "douche", and such. Continuous name calling is one of the tactics BFL PR uses on these forums and it does not engender feelings of respect. Finally, you might spend a little time reading before you make ridiculous assertions. Weirdly, you are not the first account on bitcointalk to suggest that Mr. Vleisides was the victim of evil government or media machinations. I expect you will not be the last. From our point of view, it is you and those like you that sounds like the broken record. Just another low post account who either hasn't read any history behind the issues, or is deliberately clouding the air for reasons unknown. @ bitcoiner49er Love your analogy extension. No cats, but still excellent internets. |
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What are you trying to find? Bitching and moaning from the OP? Hint: it's on every page of this thread, and most pages of most other threads involving BFL. Hardly surprising. People tend to complain when they're constantly lied to. Seems to be a small handful of people making all the noise? That is part of the problem. There is so much evidence about the history of BFL that people just see a wall of text and refuse to read it. Thus it just comes across as "noise". Since we cannot rely on people to read, we have to continuously dispel nonsense brought up by the Wrenchmonkeys of the world. |
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On what possible basis could you equate 5 guys convicted of a 20 million dollar mail fraud scheme that stole money from senior citizens to "a witch hunt"?
Please provide links to your evidence. I don't want to hear more of your "I read it somewhere on the internet".
Also, notifying potential investors in BFL of Sonny's conviction for fraud is not "dragging his name through the mud". Unless your name happens to be Sonny. Then I can understand why you are so upset that so many people have brought this up in threads about BFL. It would also make sense why you defend BFL no matter what the evidence against you is.
At least you haven't eaten at a 4 start restaurant.
..it is spelled "star" oh great troller of the trolling trolls... I bet you haven't eaten at a "4 Start" restaurant either... next time your trolling gets so thin that you have to resort to calling people out for spelling mistakes.. make sure to keep your posts clear of the same stupid mistakes. If you and wrenchmonkey ceased to be on this forum, it would make it much easier to find things Since you just got to the internet yesterday, I will explain to you the difference between a typo and not knowing how a word is spelled. A typo is a one time mistake due to a failure in manual dexterity (usually while using the keyboard). Not knowing how a word is spelled will often result in a continuous stream of identical errors. Moreover, there is irony in someone claiming to be an expert in "inditements" because he has read so many legal documents but never got enough out of them to learn how the word was spelled. Thanks for pointing out the mistake though, I will go fix my error. |
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For starters, the charges you're referencing appear to have been little more than an IRS witch hunt. Maybe he voted Republican? It takes a special kind of person to defend a felon convicted of scamming millions of dollars from senior citizens. Perhaps Wrenchmonkey and Mr. Vleisides have more in common than we thought.  |
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Eaten at a 4 star restaurant? Yes, I have, actually. No idea what that's got to do with anything, but then again, you're an imbecile.
An inditement isn't actual evidence. It's just assertions made by the prosecuting side, who (in case you don't know) often make all sorts of baseless accusations and twistings of the truth in order to make their case. Like cops who charge people with "assault" for pulling away when they grab them, or "resisting arrest" for not bleeding enough when they get their faces slammed into the pavement.
I've read through plenty of legal documents in my time, and I know damn good and well that they're usually about 90% bullshit and 10% fluff...
It's possible that the charges were actually legit, but once again, they have precious little to do with this thread. But people with an ax to grind are hell bent on spreading FUD.
Now piss off. Those windows aren't gonna lick themselves!
The 4 star restaurant line was in regards to an earlier claim by a BFL groupie that he/she had eaten at a Michelin 4 star restaurant. Are you claiming that you have eaten at a Michelin 4 star restaurant? It is spelled indictment oh great reader of plenty legal documents. You said the IRS indicted him. I was correcting yet another of your misrepresentations. The indictment was signed by 5 US district attorneys, including the chief of the major frauds section and the chief of the criminal division. He was not just indicted. He was convicted and served time in prison. He had to consent to "not engage, as whole or partial owner, employee or otherwise, in any business involving loan programs, gambling or gaming activities, telemarketing activities, investment programs or any other business involving the solicitation of funds or cold-calls to customers" as a condition of his probation (which he is still on). The criminal history of the president of BFL is very relevant to this thread. I understand you wish people would stop talking about it. It has to be inconvenient for you to have to defend someone who stole millions of dollars from thousands of retired senior citizens. |
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