From my understanding over the last 8 months its not a good idea to mine directly to an exchange. I've always read to take the payment directly to simple wallet, mymonero.com, or other 3rd party GUI's out there. I don't like that Polo is taking funds but I never mine directly to an exchange because I have no control over how the transaction is set up.
I have read more problems about Poloniex on this thread over the last 8 months than I ever did with HitBTC. As a safe practice I never mine to an exchange directly.
Any other feedback ?! How do you feel about poloniex keeping tens of thousands of unclaimed XMR from miners ? |
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Coins sent to an exchange without a payment id are coins lost forever. I have doubts polo honored more than a dozen claims anyway. Funny they honored yours - SENT FROM A POOL! Just another red flag for polo...
Mine were sent from simplewallet, not from a pool. I don't mine Monero (except on testnet, where there are only like 3 of us;) You seem to be looking for malice on Poloniex's part, but I see no indication of that. Private simplewallet transactions are a different story - only the sender knows the TX id. I'd give them 3 months to claim their funds, not a day longer. I'm talking about traceable POOL transactions. Two lines of python code could scrape the data from all pools and mark these coins as un-claimable. Pools can also be patched not to make payouts to exchange addresses unless there's a payment ID. Here are the three most prominent forks, feel free to submit such a patch: https://github.com/fancoder/cryptonote-universal-poolhttps://github.com/sammy007/node-cryptonote-poolhttps://github.com/perl5577/node-cryptonote-poolCompletely off-topic but i'll oblige. Some developer you are fluffy, we cant patch this unless we blank out the entire TXid or force payment id on all miners (stupid). Polo can create new addresses as they please and there will always be miners who forget payment id. |
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Coins sent to an exchange without a payment id are coins lost forever. I have doubts polo honored more than a dozen claims anyway. Funny they honored yours - SENT FROM A POOL! Just another red flag for polo...
Mine were sent from simplewallet, not from a pool. I don't mine Monero (except on testnet, where there are only like 3 of us;) You seem to be looking for malice on Poloniex's part, but I see no indication of that. Private simplewallet transactions are a different story - only the sender knows the TX id. I'd give them 3 months to claim their funds, not a day longer. I'm talking about traceable POOL transactions. Two lines of python code could scrape the data from all pools and mark these coins as un-claimable. What i'm trying to say is, poloniex is not doing it on purpose - they want to keep the coins for themselves. |
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There is nothing we can do without dev's support and they just don't care... They should be all over this, pooling all unclaimed xmr into one big fund for the core team and other third-party contributors...
Frankly, I find the suggestion morally dubious. Those funds were sent to Poloniex to trade, that they cannot be linked to an account through human error does not free them up for us to take. Those funds belong to the people that sent them to Poloniex, and we have no way of knowing who they are or how important those funds are to those individuals. If Poloniex choose to take some independent action and donate the funds we won't stop them (nor would we even know it was them who donated unless they tell us), but if we go kick up a storm, demanding the funds, what do we do if in 6 months time someone comes along and says "oh dear, those funds I thought were on Poloniex actually aren't!" You're quick to accuse us of "passive problem solving", but if the alternative is borderline theft then I'd rather take the accusation of being passive. I disagree. Coins sent to an exchange without a payment id are coins lost forever. I have doubts polo honored more than a dozen claims anyway. Funny they honored yours - SENT FROM A POOL! Just another red flag for polo... We can now link tens of thousands of XMR sent from pools to polo that have never been claimed (honoring the claim would be wrong because all the TXs are public). This scam run by poloniex is so obvious, my stomach turns... We should all submit fake claims, use polo public addresses on large pools to get TXs then submit claims accordingly... Maybe that will get their attention. |
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Of course, this doesn't fix the mining to a pool problem. I think, honestly, the only way to really stop this from happening is to get people to stop mining directly to pools. One way is to get pool operators to disable this function. In general, this would help things all around. -primer, if you are willing to continue this crusade, I say we lobby the pool operators. In general, pool mining to exchanges is boinking the whole system, because poloniex can't do transactions with mixin 3 because of all the tiny outputs coming from pool mining deposits.
Furthermore, another way to execute this crusade is via the polo trollbox. Polo is LOVING the volume right now - what percentage do they get on each trade? They are making BANK. If we move our activity from Polo due to their hoarding of unclaimed payments, well they might be convinced.
There is nothing we can do without dev's support and they just don't care... They should be all over this, pooling all unclaimed xmr into one big fund for the core team and other third-party contributors... |
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They've credited XMR sent without payment ID manually a lot of times. Many such cases were reported in this and other Monero threads, but you need to have the relevant information about the transaction.
The discussion is about unclaimed XMR, do we let them keep it or do we ask for an audit, make them keep an updated unclaimed amount public + introduce a new policy that allows them to redirect the funds to development group the community chooses (does not have to be the official dev team). It's a (mostly) perfectly fungible cryptocurrency, we can't force them to do anything. If they choose, of their own accord, to donate the funds that is their prerogative, but we would not ask or insist that of them. More importantly, dealing with this matter with hostility will leave them disinclined to be of assistance. If this matter is important to you then I would suggest you send Poloniex an email and discuss it with them directly. People like you never get things done. You passive problem solving got us where we are, development-wise. I'm out, find someone else to chase your donations. |
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They've credited XMR sent without payment ID manually a lot of times. Many such cases were reported in this and other Monero threads, but you need to have the relevant information about the transaction.
The discussion is about unclaimed XMR, do we let them keep it or do we ask for an audit, make them keep an updated unclaimed amount public + introduce a new policy that allows them to redirect the funds to development group the community chooses (does not have to be the official dev team). |
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I've sent coins to Poloniex without a payment ID a bunch of times (embarrassing, I know) and I've merely opened a support ticket, given them the relevant info, and they've manually processed the deposit for me.
Are you saying the dev team is not interested? Perhaps prominent third-party app developers (xmr.to, jajotek, etc.) would accept if we got the unclaimed funds pointed their way... |
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Then why isn't it poloniex's coins? Everyone can claim them, and no one can claim them. Thus only the ones who control the keys can claim them. I am not stating, but moreso asking for the sake of getting that disscussion going. (I agree that they should/could instil community spirit and donate the coins to the development.)
Not spending them does not equal thievery as has been alluded to elsewhere.
Not spending them, says who ? Where's the current unclaimed xmr balance on polo, why isn't it public ? Sure, they can keep them but we can all switch to some other exchange. 80% of their volume is XMR so yeah, there's that. |
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We as a community need to do something about POLONIEX keeping the unclaimed XMR for themselves.
Tens of thousands of XMR have been sent from pools to poloniex without the paymentID, these coins can never be claimed and we can't let poloniex just keep them!
Lets first force them to publish total unclaimed XMR balance, then we push for a new policy - if not claimed within two months all unclaimed coins go to the DEV TEAM
At this point I consider poloniex straight out scammers, they have never addressed this issue.
See, what if they give them away to the devs, and later the rightful owners come claiming the xmr? I have no affiliation with poloniex, but they did honour the btc stolen during the hack a while ago. Doesn't work like that, coins sent from pools (txs) are public, no one/everyone can claim them. try this one address, moneropool.com/any pool 47sghzufGhJJDQEbScMCwVBimTuq6L5JiRixD8VeGbpjCTA12noXmi4ZyBZLc99e66NtnKff34fHsGR oyZk3ES1s1V4QVcB All gone to polo, never to be claimed. |
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We as a community need to do something about POLONIEX keeping the unclaimed XMR for themselves.
Tens of thousands of XMR have been sent from pools to poloniex without the paymentID, these coins can never be claimed and we can't let poloniex just keep them!
Lets first force them to publish total unclaimed XMR balance, then we push for a new policy - if not claimed within two months all unclaimed coins go to the DEV TEAM
At this point I consider poloniex straight out scammers, they have never addressed this issue.
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There's a bug, i upload one avatar and end up with another. View your profile from another account to see the difference (the main profile shows the correct avatar but that is not the case..)
read the previous posts, it is intentional. it will return to normal once the April Fools day have passed what a stupid joke  lost 5 minutes of my life troubleshooting! |
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There's a bug, i upload one avatar and end up with another. View your profile from another account to see the difference (the main profile shows the correct avatar but that is not the case..)   |
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No is useless. For at i have already superresistant  hahahah nice one ! |
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hmm, this should help  |
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Company? Employees? That's not how open-source development works.
Just replace company A with monero and core team with a group of anonymous vigilantes receiving donations for claiming to work on company A applications and my analogy stands. |
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Lets put this in a real world perspective..
You hold shares of company A so you donate funds hoping to increase the productivity / stimulate the workers.
Company A receives the donation and instead of working overtime to please the donators and receive more donations they spend their time developing the same product FOR A COMPETING company
Ever heard of anything similar ? No, me neither..
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I'd love to hear what rpietila, ArticMine and other donators have to say about your shitcoin extracurricular activities... |
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None directly. I just saw a nice simple coin with some people supporting it that wasn't even being updated for critical security flaws, and felt I could help out with that.
None directly yet he hosts the 'most up to date' source code on his personal github account... I'm working on the Namecoin DNS seeder: https://github.com/fluffypony/namecoin-seederI've also forked Neocities and even submitted a PR: https://github.com/fluffypony/neocitiesOur main focus is on Monero, but that often gives rise to peripheral and even unrelated projects, and that's ok. Enough said. That explains why monero projects never get done. |
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