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3581  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 2012 according to the Mayan calendar on: January 05, 2012, 07:39:19 PM
I'm holding an end of the word party in December. But will the world end? Are you fukin kidding me?  Roll Eyes

"World ending" is just a dumb phrase in general  Smiley
3582  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 2012 according to the Mayan calendar on: January 05, 2012, 07:28:44 PM
Bingo.  When you spend enough time looking at the sky, even without a telescope if you aren't presently distracted by all the high tech shit in Western society (live for a few decades in a 3rd world country where there are no city lights clouding the sky), you'll see things a different way.  Mayans, Egyptians, and Sumerians got pretty goddamn accurate with their "astrology" if you ask me.

It's like if I were to say I can't see with my ears.  Ask a blind person.



Please feel free to enlighten us, and try to refrain from analogies like "seeing with your ears".  And don't bring older cultures into it, back in that time period astrology and astronomy were linked and almost interchangeable in their usage.  

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At the end of the 17th century, new scientific concepts in astronomy (such as heliocentrism) began to damage the credibility of astrology, which subsequently lost its academic and theoretical standing. Astrology saw a popular revival in the 19th and 20th centuries as part of a general revival of spiritualism and later New Age philosophy, and through the influence of mass media such as newspaper horoscopes.[3]

While astrology may bear a superficial resemblance to science, it is a pseudoscience because it makes little attempt to develop solutions to its problems, shows no concern for the evaluation of competing theories, and is selective in considering confirmations and dis-confirmations


That's not astronomy.  It's astrology, astronomy is science and astrology is voodoo.  

I'd bet money astrology isn't bogus.

And, I'd bet a lot of it.

Also, how do you plan to win a bet proving astrology isn't bogus when astrology itself is a belief system, and can't really be disproven or proven (like religion).  

"Seeing with your ears" was chosen because that's essentially what happens subjectively.  I don't care that ears are not eyes.  Blind people adapt and they begin to use their ears for spatial recognition.  Do you think thoughts are also non-visual experiences?  I don't know about you, but I can see my thoughts clearly and vividly, especially if I focus on them.  Senses are interconnected.  Hold your nose and eat something; I bet it doesn't taste the same.  Or, notice how people turn down the music in their car when they are looking for addresses.  Why would people do this if hearing didn't influence your vision?

I'm not sure why you brought up religion.  I think you were trying to indirectly suggest that religions are based upon no evidence.  Even if that was true (check out East Asian religions, they are extremely scientific), not only is faith still the common denominator between science and religion -- or astronomy and astrology -- you can never say "prove" soundly with ANY inductive method of any kind.  But, I've had direct knowledge/experience of "God" (for lack of a better word), and I can't prove that to you.  It was self-evident.  The thing about evidence-based beliefs is this:  What one knows he cannot prove, and what one can prove he cannot know.



3583  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTB] PCIe x16 Extender Cable w/ Molex Connector on: January 05, 2012, 08:37:02 AM
Purchased from Shakaru for 1.2 BTC Smiley

He was kind enough to offer to toss in an extra!

Awaiting shipment.
3584  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 2012 according to the Mayan calendar on: January 05, 2012, 06:56:21 AM
I'd bet money astrology isn't bogus.

And, I'd bet a lot of it.

Did your horoscope tell you that you would come into a lot of money or something?

Honestly... it's utter hogwash! Nothing more than pompous pseudoscience. There is nothing that astrology explains that astronomy, a proper scientific field, cannot explain with greater clarity and precision, minus all the supernatural drippings.

Astrologist, yup that's what i mean, the science/study of stars.

Astrology is not what you mean.

Astrology is all about crap like horoscopes and predicting effects on the earth caused by the orientation of the stars and the constellations and blah blah blah. As in, 'you are especially fertile on the 3rd tuesday of february because the constellation of orion intersects perpendicularly with your ball sac' ... etc.

Astronomy is the scientific study of celestial bodies, you know... with telescopes, and math, and all those fancy supercomputers.
Astrologists on the other hand have crystal balls, tarot cards and jackasses who claim to have 'psychic' powers.

Astrology isn't just fortune telling.

Bingo.  When you spend enough time looking at the sky, even without a telescope if you aren't presently distracted by all the high tech shit in Western society (live for a few decades in a 3rd world country where there are no city lights clouding the sky), you'll see things a different way.  Mayans, Egyptians, and Sumerians got pretty goddamn accurate with their "astrology" if you ask me.

It's like if I were to say I can't see with my ears.  Ask a blind person.

3585  Economy / Goods / [WTB] PCIe x16 Extender Cable w/ Molex Connector on: January 05, 2012, 04:53:27 AM
Who's got one?   Grin

3586  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 2012 according to the Mayan calendar on: January 04, 2012, 12:30:27 PM
I'd bet money astrology isn't bogus.

And, I'd bet a lot of it.

Did your horoscope tell you that you would come into a lot of money or something?

Honestly... it's utter hogwash! Nothing more than pompous pseudoscience. There is nothing that astrology explains that astronomy, a proper scientific field, cannot explain with greater clarity and precision, minus all the supernatural drippings.

Astrologist, yup that's what i mean, the science/study of stars.

Astrology is not what you mean.

Astrology is all about crap like horoscopes and predicting effects on the earth caused by the orientation of the stars and the constellations and blah blah blah. As in, 'you are especially fertile on the 3rd tuesday of february because the constellation of orion intersects perpendicularly with your ball sac' ... etc.

Astronomy is the scientific study of celestial bodies, you know... with telescopes, and math, and all those fancy supercomputers.
Astrologists on the other hand have crystal balls, tarot cards and jackasses who claim to have 'psychic' powers.


You need to get out more. 
3587  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 2012 according to the Mayan calendar on: January 04, 2012, 05:16:22 AM
That's not astronomy.  It's astrology, astronomy is science and astrology is voodoo. 

I'd bet money astrology isn't bogus.

And, I'd bet a lot of it.
3588  Other / Off-topic / Re: Schizophrenia? on: January 04, 2012, 05:15:09 AM
This is getting really weird! I keep seeing this giant shadow behind me.


How do you know it's not really there?

Maybe schizophrenics have an incredible ability and we make the mistake of pushing them to the distant corners of society.  Maybe you're a savaant...at seeing shadows  Grin

What is the shadow telling you?  Make friends with it.
3589  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Simple question about PCIe x16 Extender Cables on: January 04, 2012, 12:35:29 AM
Yes you can mismatch GPU.  The miner doesn't care.  Each GPU works independently anyways.

Amazingly awesome.  Thank you, kind sir.
3590  Other / Off-topic / Re: Schizophrenia? on: January 03, 2012, 11:18:17 PM
Your list of symptoms threw me off.  I found it odd.  But, then again, maybe it was intended to be humorous.

Schizophrenia is about an excess of dopamine and responding to "internal stimuli."  Symptoms of schizophrenia are divided into two subtypes:  positive and negative symptoms (not "good" and "bad," but rather symptoms that either cause an excess or absence of typical functioning).  

For example, a positive symptom of schizophrenia may be laughing without an appropriate external cue to make the person laugh.  A negative symptom might be catatonia.  Positive symptoms are the things we typically think about when we think of schizophrenia such as auditory and visual hallucinations (e.g. if you hear funny voices, that may cause you to laugh).

Antipsychotic medications are designed to treat the positive symptoms and often do so successfully (or they at least cause a significant reduction of positive symptoms).  Conversely, negative symptoms are basically untreated by antipsychotic medications and are typically seen as more debilitating.  

Antipsychotics are split into two subtypes:  typical and atypical antipsychotics.  Typical antipsychotics were the first generation of antipsychotics (e.g. Haldol) while atypical antipsychotics (e.g. clozapine) are the 2nd generation of antipsychotics.  While both subtypes primarily treat positive symptoms only, and while there is (generally) no difference in general efficacy of either generation of antipsychotics, the atypical antipsychotics are generally purported to be safer and have decreased levels of side effects such as tardive diskenesia (though they usually do not eliminate the side effects completely).

Now you know  Grin

So, what you're saying is that not only do I bring value to this BBS, but so do those that are following my every move. Interesting! (I'm sure Harv would have had a being retort than that, but that's the best I can do--while others watch me)


That is EXACTLY what I said.
3591  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Offline mining? on: January 03, 2012, 09:49:53 PM

Yes.  I am not sure of the exact computational power of the machines I am interested in using.  It actually may be a very poor estimation because I am guessing based on petaflop output which, to my knowledge, is more or less irrational.

Regardless, it's a shit-ton of power.

FLOPs are floating point operations. If you can get access to a supercomputer thats any good at flops, it will almost certainly stink when it comes to sha256 hashing (integer). A typical TOP500 supercomputer may have trouble delivering higher hashrates than your typical 3x dual GPU mining rig

From what I was told, the machines I am interested in using are often used for sha256 hashing.
Unless they have GPU's, it doesn't really matter.  P4man is right - you'll get hashes on the order of GH/s, not TH/s.  They may often be used for sha256 hashing, but 12 GH/s is quite enough for most sha256 hashing needs.  It's just not a whole lot when used for Bitcoin mining.

But good luck.  I only hope you DON'T have 2 TH/s, because I would hate to see my own miniscule mining profits drop by 20% overnight.  Do tell us whether it works out for you though.

No prob.  I should be meeting with some colleagues to discuss everything this weekend.
3592  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Offline mining? on: January 03, 2012, 09:41:43 PM

Yes.  I am not sure of the exact computational power of the machines I am interested in using.  It actually may be a very poor estimation because I am guessing based on petaflop output which, to my knowledge, is more or less irrational.

Regardless, it's a shit-ton of power.

FLOPs are floating point operations. If you can get access to a supercomputer thats any good at flops, it will almost certainly stink when it comes to sha256 hashing (integer). A typical TOP500 supercomputer may have trouble delivering higher hashrates than your typical 3x dual GPU mining rig

From what I was told, the machines I am interested in using are often used for sha256 hashing.
3593  Other / Off-topic / Re: Schizophrenia? on: January 03, 2012, 07:59:00 PM
Your list of symptoms threw me off.  I found it odd.  But, then again, maybe it was intended to be humorous.

Schizophrenia is about an excess of dopamine and responding to "internal stimuli."  Symptoms of schizophrenia are divided into two subtypes:  positive and negative symptoms (not "good" and "bad," but rather symptoms that either cause an excess or absence of typical functioning).  

For example, a positive symptom of schizophrenia may be laughing without an appropriate external cue to make the person laugh.  A negative symptom might be catatonia.  Positive symptoms are the things we typically think about when we think of schizophrenia such as auditory and visual hallucinations (e.g. if you hear funny voices, that may cause you to laugh).

Antipsychotic medications are designed to treat the positive symptoms and often do so successfully (or they at least cause a significant reduction of positive symptoms).  Conversely, negative symptoms are basically untreated by antipsychotic medications and are typically seen as more debilitating.  

Antipsychotics are split into two subtypes:  typical and atypical antipsychotics.  Typical antipsychotics were the first generation of antipsychotics (e.g. Haldol) while atypical antipsychotics (e.g. clozapine) are the 2nd generation of antipsychotics.  While both subtypes primarily treat positive symptoms only, and while there is (generally) no difference in general efficacy of either generation of antipsychotics, the atypical antipsychotics are generally purported to be safer and have decreased levels of side effects such as tardive diskenesia (though they usually do not eliminate the side effects completely).

Now you know  Grin
3594  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Simple question about PCIe x16 Extender Cables on: January 03, 2012, 07:45:58 PM
I have a motherboard with a single PCIe x16 slot.  If I buy a PCIe x16 extender cable and attach it between my PCIe x1 slot and a 2nd graphics card, can I expect a drop in hash rate with either graphics card?

No.  Bitcoin mining uses a trivial amount of bandwidth.  You could run multiple GH over serial interface.

Ok.  Will it be possible to use two different GPUs with this idea?  Like a 6970 and a 5870 (6970 in regular PCIeX16 slot, 5870 attached to the extender cable)?  My idea is that I would like to mine with both cards off the same mobo, but if this is not possible, I would still like the ability to switch between the two GPUs (i.e. 6970 for gaming and music production, 5870 for mining).
3595  Bitcoin / Mining / Simple question about PCIe x16 Extender Cables on: January 03, 2012, 07:38:32 PM
I have a motherboard with a single PCIe x16 slot.  If I buy a PCIe x16 extender cable and attach it between my PCIe x1 slot and a 2nd graphics card, can I expect a drop in hash rate with either graphics card?
3596  Economy / Speculation / Re: You guys need a reality check on: January 03, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
I agree with OP.

There's some good media hype and some interesting new projects/developments lately, but have you seen the spread shift on Gox Live?

Notice the slope of the asks on Gox Live versus the slope of the bids which is largely comprised of huge bid walls.  There are like 5 people truly supporting the price right now while the rest of the "bulls" follow in their footsteps.  Bullishness seems down quite a bit from the New Years rally.  We have a market of pseudo-bulls.

Prices may cross over $5 again and up toward $6, but it's speculation speculation speculation.  
3597  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory - The most advanced Bitcoin Client in existence! on: January 03, 2012, 07:24:55 AM
Very impressive.  And I don't get impressed too often.

So, 6 months and 1000 hours?
1000 hours/40 hour work week = 25 weeks ~6 months.

This seriously was your job for 6 months?

I truly hope it pays off!
3598  Other / Off-topic / Re: Contest: WTHAI?: Win up to 20 BTC Daily on: January 03, 2012, 06:57:11 AM
Is #9 Syria?

Either way, check out Syria Jordan really fast, zoom in, and see what I've been sifting through for the past 10 minutes.  

I think I have accomplished 2 things:  wasting time, and getting frustrated with Syria's geography   Grin

Edit:  Amazingly cool fractal geography on a large scale, though.

Edit 2:  Nevermind, haha.  I realized I had scrolled down past Syria (had my tags turned off in Google Maps) and was looking in the Jordan area.
3599  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Offline mining? on: January 03, 2012, 06:51:08 AM
*takes his rabbies shot and offers Plastic.Elastic a hug*

Helping him to steal isnt exactly how you should show your intelligence. If he must ask these questions he sure doesnt know jack and will be caught easily.

Although I have not devoted a whole lot of thought to 'how is this person accessing 2TH worth of computing power', it seems atleast somewhat 'legit'. I would sure hope he is not stealing anything. Some basic things that lead me to believe it are that he will need physical access for any of my suggestions. His concern of limiting the Internet exposure of the machines is more in line with needing to be able to ensure the security of them more so than to 'hide'. I mean, any network admin on the planet would notice the usage...

If he must ask, he may not be ready for such a project but 'being caught' implies doing something wrong to begin with. Otherwise such an ambitous project is good in excercise to learn from if nothing else.

Whether you are just being antagonistic with implying I am being helpful to show my intelligence, I do not know. But my IQ is really quite low as far as I can tell.

And if it is real, then in the grand scheme of things another ~2TH only goes to further strengthen the network as a whole. That being my main motivator beyond just being helpful, if only mildly helpful.

cheers

Your assumption about ensuring the security of the machines is correct.  You could say I'm trying to hide the machines from others who might wish to steal.

And yes, I hope to learn a lot from this whether I succeed or fail.

Interesting.  Going to watch this thread.

By my estimation, 2 THash/sec is about 5000 moderately high end GPUs, or several times that number of GPUs if they are the sort that normally end up in supercomputers, and needs a large fraction of a megawatt of power (at least).  It is also larger than most pools.

Yes.  I am not sure of the exact computational power of the machines I am interested in using.  It actually may be a very poor estimation because I am guessing based on petaflop output which, to my knowledge, is more or less irrational.

Regardless, it's a shit-ton of power.
3600  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: If sky was the limit - how many bitcoins would you buy? on: January 03, 2012, 12:34:34 AM
If the sky was the limit, I would probably be on my mega yacht with a bunch of beautiful skirts rather than dicking around with bitcoin.

Buy as many as you can afford to lose would be my serious answer. No one can predict the future and you don't want to lose your house because you were wrong and can't pay that second mortgage you took out to drop into MtGox...

I got invited to R. Kelly's house party.

This is why I'm dicking around with Bitcoin.  

Edit:  I'm very happy this was my 1000th post  Cheesy
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