NCC and NIS are working smooth and quick! Enjoy NEM COMMUNITY Fantastic news. It's great to see the devs hard work come to fruition. Fingers crossed that there's no serious hiccups along the alpha testing - not that it couldn't be delt with im sure. I am curious though as to where you're obtaining these pics. I noticed you're not on the dev list but some background on these images would be handy just to rule out any and all doubt others may express. |
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Here is a video I made of the alpha client, sorry it is not very good this is the first time I have made one: https://mega.co.nz/#!Vl1xxIIY!OpqMHlSAc9V62_RmliWz8mjYOupJReZkbWv9zd5Nlyg Cool! The Queen background song was perfectly selected. Thank you  Here is the youtube link, sorry for the blurry video, this is the first one I made. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYE3hOnsNv8This is awesome. Anyone else have a song or theme music to go with future NEM videos? We should come up with a list of recommended music, this will help inspire others to create a NEM video. 1. Queen - I Want To Break Free 2. 3. 4. 5. ... Can't say i'd recommend this - seems far too lighthearted and humorous for something as serious investment. This is a future currency we're talking about here. The NXT video with it's song Palladio was good, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBwa8nqtrisA classical song that portrays the solidarity, reliability and trustworthiness is what we need. Not something like Queen. |
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There is one thing that i'm asking myself.
Why would we need NEM ?
It is absolutely blowing my mind , that there are people who think NEM will be their Bitcoin Rocketstart into wealth.
Why ? Because this time there a new people as Stakeholders ? Because the System is new , developed from the ground up and with another chance for catastrophic bugs or failures ? Is there really a need for another POS Coin ?
Baffles me and makes absolutely no sense in my mind...
(I'm also asking myself why we need NXT, but that is another story for another day.)
Technical wise, NEM could be a competitor to Bitcoin because: 1. an improvement in a core functionality: Proof of Importance instead of Proof of Work and traditional POS algorithm. 2. improvements in features: Bitcoin has been and always be very conservative when coming to new features. There are spaces open if users move beyond the simple currency functionality and want something else with blockchain. 3. Difference in design I think you are very smart guy but many smart guys in tech do not fully grasp the dynamics of free market and competition. This article can help http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2013/12/how-and-why-bitcoin-will-plummet-in-price.htmlcompletely agree with this. that article especially; it expresses my view spot on. Another reason im not hopeful about bitcoin is the PoW model. Anyone who thinks the bitcoin gravy train can continue on a PoW model is just kidding themselves. same for any PoW coin. in fact, it wouldnt surprise me if bitcoins current valuation is artificial anyway. the fact that bitcoin is not only horded by a minority, but also its hashing power is too, just demonstrates how "centralized" it is and, if anything, makes it just as bad - if not worse - then FIAT, as these parties are far more anonymous to begin with. |
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NEMstake Distribution Statistics: Top 20 Accounts 21/06/14NXT account# NEMstakes
13254208495541261949 (508 issuing account, patmast3r)
17608602816185410240 11.2
8028525856051036832 10.2
12405492669314277647 10.1
5325356548538816495 10.0
1122574420547470719 9.9
41855536211966686 9.5
3926514745862325951 9.0
11443325618684916666 6.2
15221399620409774121 5.2
15399860524892043771 5.0
11556030554344548032 4.8
8694684292489930350 4.4
808367022974862437 4.1
15823105675099633759 4.0
8189784314684138350 4.0
29996814460165 3.4
7840590664141527502 3.4
1167914123707330885 3.0
16324215072635086341 3.0
1895431871779964393 2.8
These accounts need to be closely monitered imo. |
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I'm going to buy my stake back. A few questions: Is utopian future still involved in the project? Could we make clear that we don't need FUDster and spammers like Come-from-Above? I hate those trolls and I got a little emotional lately which was the reason I didn't want to buy back actually but know I calmed down a little.
UtopianFuture is no longer involved in NEM. If 'making it clear we don't need them' was all it took to eliminate trolls, then the internet would be a much happier place. We should distance ourselves from UF. As fas as I can tell UF is only a community and stake list manager. The rules of NEM distribution are clear and transparent. The list went through a public auditing by a dozen of independent people. All information is public. People sent money in to enroll and everyone can do so. So UF did not have a special power to change the process. He made a mistake in his personal capacity but NEM's ideas and technology are heathy and attractive to many people. We should make that clear. So far Totem, everything i've seen from you recently I agree with thus far. Sorry for doubting your authenticity a few days ago - given the circumstances i'm sure you'd understand my suspicion. It's unfortunate what happend with UF, and even moreso the trolls came out in full force to exploit what otherwise was a bad situation. But as i said before; to me, this indicates the potential success of this coin. With all of this in mind, it's clear to me that we're weathering the storm very well, and the NEM asset is maintaining a steady value across the board. This bodes extremely well. |
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from the article: Given that the coin is almost an exact copy of its mother coin, Nxtcoin, its understandable that the public may be confused about its delayed launch and overall completion of development processes. You failed hard coinssource. Try again. Is there any good crypto-new-site that verifies what they write ? Stuff like this will stick in peoples minds forever. Is CfA running that website? Yeah, i was about to say "Probably was written a while ago" but it was only posted yesterday judging by the date. Someone should contact them to correct it - I wouldn't be so quick to make a CfA accusation (even though it's probably in jest). Give them chance to correct it, if they delay or otherwise don't respond, then perhaps its a CfA sympathizer  |
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It's where the stakes are being distributed from by one of the main devs Lol, loving the messages. "nothing else matters" - now i want to listen to some metallica. |
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I think the auction is a very good idea. It will be done not long before the release so it will be a very good advertising and allow the last people to get in before the madness.
It was announced a long time ago. The 4 million coin number was announced a long time ago. It is a long term plan and a very smart one. I think The only ones against it are greedy people that want instant gratification so they can dump more nem when it is officialy out and arrives on an exchange.
Or dump less nem given that they may potentially be more valuable. I think it's important that regardless whats decided, we also stick the original plan in every regard (That is, the plan before UP left). If there's any deviation, it'll open things up to debate - and to trolls - and unnecessary smear. |
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Lets hunt him down and post this everywhere There is just ONE official NEM thread! Which is the official thread I should follow?  Obviously the moderated thread (one in link). A moderated thread is just that - moderated. It allows more serious discussion of the coin without the interruption of FUD or trolls (or at least not as much). Thus, if you wish to take the coin seriously, all you should be focusing on is the moderated thread. |
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The costs. Tens of thousands for flights / hotel rooms / booth rental only to advertise to the hundred or so people who show up, most being from other coins.
That, in bold. In order to get NEM to have a wider adoption outside of those already familiar with crypto's, things like youtube and facebook would be my first port of call. I completely agree with this point. IMO Bitcoin would have reached way more people by now if the marketing stopped focusing on the tech side, and focused much more on the usability side.
A lot of people are happy letting banks hold onto their money simply because it's the most convenient option for them, once a crypto is proven to be as convenient as online banking, I think we will see a huge adoption rate (honestly there is no reason that it shouldn't be way more convenient than online banking, there's no BS signup and verification process with NEM).
Actually, i think the rationale behind alot of the "average joe" user goes a bit like this: 1. They read FUD in mainstream media which in often cases only reports on stories that are controversial or negative (on the subject of crypto's that is) - negativity is frequently good clickbait as people are more inclined to express outrage or negativity then they are praise. It's a human trait. (Although granted, Bitcoin deserves criticism in many respects, if it didn't, i wouldn't invest in non-PoW coins, however mainstream media tends to literally spread FUD when it deals with Cryptocurrency, largely through ignorance and a agenda, this leads to outright scorn, not criticism. ) 2. The corresponding opinion as a result of mainstream media makes them uninterested or inclined to believe Crypto's are scams or unsafe - and in many respects, they're right. This forum is full to the brim of scamcoins. Even bitcoin, being still rather young, is volatile in terms of valuation -this makes it unsafe to stash away your hard earned savings/money in it. With the above things in mind, NEM will likely struggle to make it into mainstream adoption unless it's able to market itself like Bitcoin did; on the allure of "money for nothing" or "mining". I for one think a few viral video's and some well placed, timed Facebook marketing is in order - but obviously on more honest and transparent principles. The biggest thing going for NEM right now is it's rather large initial distribution - this gives it more security, and the more who already join in, the more secure it will become. |
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Ok friend, ok, I'm stakeholder as well and of course, i'm worring about the future of our project! believe, that now on first plan we must wait until our great DEVS trying to do the best!!!
When NEM will be ready like a coin and ecosystem, we can SURELY think about money...
Cheers man.
Edit: did we all togheter( NEM stakeholders) not make money as well? we put 50$ now we can take 1500$-2000$ not bad profit? and what we have done for that? did we work hard?
Same with this user, emphasizing the same thing. (It also doesn't help Jeanea overuses the word "Friend", "Wow", and "u" like CfA) Jenea4pda is also one primary member who's frequently giving CfA attention in threads. This whole thing is just absolutely laughable.
I'd guarantee were there's a a Totem22 reply, a Jenea one isn't far behind. Same with any posts from CfA. In a nutshell; people NEED to stop giving attention to posts whereby there is no constructive criticism or truthful facts - because one thing is certain; you can rely on the troll(s) to reply to those sorts of posts for you.
Cheers.
P.S. I am not user - I AM NEM SUPPORTER!Edit:really sorry for offtop, but it was higher than me... Jenea - I acknowledge the fact that i could be wrong, however this is just my opinion/observation. Same goes for Totem. Your lingo is almost exactly the same as CfA, this cannot be unseen. Do the right thing and ignore CfA posts, stop giving him what he wants - then I'll admit i was wrong. "friend". Letter to all NEM stakeholders Dear Nemsters, As you may or may not already know, there have been some changes to the NEM team resulting in a lot of confusion on the Bitcointalk forum. UtopianFuture has left the team, in good faith, and there has subsequently been a reorganization to reflect his departure.meg UtopianFuture had been instrumental in organizing this project, but rest assured that the core development team is still intact. UtopianFuture's main role was coordination, providing direction and management of the voluntary association that is NEM. He was never involved in the coding. Hence, development-wise, the project is not impacted. NEM is based upon the principle of decentralization, such that no single person is indispensable. Since UtopianFuture left, numerous volunteers have come forward and offered their help. We are in fact honored to know that there are many of you out there who share the same vision as the core development team of creating a new economic movement. We are now stronger than ever and have recruited some of these volunteers to the team to push our ideals forward more aggressively than ever before. Yes, we have since regrouped and are soldiering on to ensure that this project is successful! With the reorganisation, we have decided that there should be an entirely separate group looking after the promotion of NEM. We have now created a new Marketing Board to spearhead organizing the great NEM community and to spur our movement to greater heights. To say the least, this event has actually made us into a much stronger group. As a result of the events that have transpired, there have been many unsubstantiated speculations and postulations about what happened. Most of these statements have been emotionally charged and were without any factual basis. These misleading claims have left the community confused. We would like to take this opportunity to assure you that most of these claims are not true and that it is business as usual for the core team; you should not be influenced at all by some of the characters in the forum that purport otherwise. The last few months have been rather hectic and to complete a project of this size and nature requires a lot of careful planning and design. It has not been easy, but we believe with the able-bodied team that we have, we shall be able to meet our targets. In the meantime, and in order to allay the confusion, we have included links to the only official NEM threads on bitcointalk. We have also included the link to our official NEM websites and forum. If you have any questions regarding the incidents that have caused this confusion, you are most welcome to raise those questions in the forum threads or contact one of the core team members directly. At the same breath, we would like to advise that for those of you who are eligible for the NEM coins, please take care of your BTT accounts. Please do not spam, post addresses or expose your transaction TX-IDs such that your accounts get banned. Your account is key to your claim later. Due to the incidents in the past, it was decided that a moderated thread would also be created to run alongside the non-moderated thread. Please read xtester's post about why this is necessary here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg7350705#msg7350705Official Links:
Materials:Project Information Memorandum:WebsitesIf you cannot find the information you need in the links above please do not hesitate to post any question you may have on the relevant NEM thread. A special thanks goes to rockethead, kodtycoon and makoto1337 for putting this together on such short notice. This letter will now be sent to all NEM stakeholders via PM. Thank you very much for your attention. NEM Marketing TeamThanks for this Xtester, it looks great. |
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"TaunSew" what is your reason for your constant whining and hatred against NXT?
It's a shame to the entire community and not doing any good to NEM at all.
I for one, don't see NXT as a problem. In fact, the relationship to NXT could very well be similar to what Litecoin is to Bitcoin - however, it's a symbiotic relationship that could, potentially, benefit one more than the other. This is just the way it goes - and again, i've no problem with this, because in the end they'll both benefit eachother no matter how small. It's whether or not the NXT community see's NEM as a problem. However, in all fairness, if they did, it wouldn't be on the NXT AE in the first place. One thing is for sure; NEM is by far the most popular asset they've ever had. This alone, speaks for itself. It wouldn't surprise me if a small minority in the NXT camp did find NEM threatening, and responded by trolling. One thing is certain; the trolling and FUD is a representation of the potential success this coin could have. Press on, ignore the fud, ignore the trolls and eventually, they'll stop. |
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It's the NxT people. I'm an early adopter of NxT and Eadeqa is on that forum saying bad things about NEM.
Ever since first month NxT people have been trolling NEM, and only NEM. They've feared NEM since the beginning. NEM is everything NxT but without NxT's bad distribution (20 whales who took almost everything and another 50 got scraps) and NEM has a big community.
NxT's capitalization almost doubled just from NEM trading on their asset exchange and it's still the #1 asset.
This. This cannot be stressed enough. |
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The project is about building NEM to be the best payment system, best crowd funding system, best block chain etc. If all the dev team become fabulously rich along the way then they deserve it Come-From-Above likes to stress the same thing. This is why i think you're just another one of his sockpuppet accounts because of such ridiculous statements. Intentionally misrepresenting NEM to justify CfA behavior is a really dick move otherwise. Ok friend, ok, I'm stakeholder as well and of course, i'm worring about the future of our project! believe, that now on first plan we must wait until our great DEVS trying to do the best!!!
When NEM will be ready like a coin and ecosystem, we can SURELY think about money...
Cheers man.
Edit: did we all togheter( NEM stakeholders) not make money as well? we put 50$ now we can take 1500$-2000$ not bad profit? and what we have done for that? did we work hard?
Same with this user, emphasizing the same thing. (It also doesn't help Jeanea overuses the word "Friend", "Wow", and "u" like CfA) Jenea4pda is also one primary member who's frequently giving CfA attention in threads. This whole thing is just absolutely laughable. I'd guarantee were there's a a Totem22 reply, a Jenea one isn't far behind. Same with any posts from CfA. In a nutshell; people NEED to stop giving attention to posts whereby there is no constructive criticism or truthful facts - because one thing is certain; you can rely on the troll(s) to reply to those sorts of posts for you. |
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Anyway, what are your reasons fro opposing the auction?
Because it's a second IPO before the launch to collect even more money. The stakes should be divided equally among the current stakeholders. Why you so worring about money? I as a stakeholder am entitled worry, especially after the leadership has proven to be not honest. If this whole project is a money making scheme for just 8 people, lets say it straight. Instead of spreading FUD you could just ask a straight question and wait until it is answered. You are not asking questions your are claiming the acution is a second IPO (which is funny cuz there was no first) and it's prupose is to gain more money. The auction is to spread NEM even further. Who do you think should have controll over the fund if not the core team ? You can still request a refund if your not okay with how things are going. Pat, as i already stated earlier in the unmoderated thread - i believe the FUD is spread by a one individual only, and he's using multiple accounts ( of which I believe are active here) spreading the same thing. A few individuals in their posts stress the same arguments CfA did, using the same grammatical/spelling errors as him. It's not hard to point these users out. I think it's important people don't think of this troll/fud spreading is as bad as it looks (After all, this is precisely what CfA is trying to achieve). It's all at worst, done by one or two users. CfA is a proven relentless troll and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it's all his handiwork. Regardless what happens, or how intense this troll gets - I believe it's important to press on. as time goes by, there will be less and less ammunition for them to work with. Ultimately, in the end, those who sell based on such hollow arguments were never in NEM for the right reasons in the first place. |
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I honestly think all this FUD is spread by one individual only, using multiple accounts to spam this thread with "arguments" with himself. Pathetic.
jenea4pda suspiciously overuses the word "Friend" "Wow" and "u", just like CfA. Your english is as broken as his, and you're frequently giving CfA attention. This isn't the only user who's doing this and uses the exact same mannerisms, sentence structure and broken english as CfA. It's all a ruse to make the trolling look bigger than what it is.
Jenea4pda, Totem22 are two users who are officially on my "suspicious users" list as a result of this. Any user who frequently gives CfA attention is suspicious in my eyes.
All you're doing is legitimizing the self-moderated topic to any spectator watching this, people are not stupid.
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Why two threads? It doesn't make sense and confuse new users. Confusion is bad for adoption  It makes perfect sense if you've been following NEM for a while. It's simple, one is moderated, another (this one) isn't. |
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He spreads fud so he can attempt to buy NemStake assets cheap, he praises nem so he can attempt to sell. Rinse and repeat.
Sadly his efforts are utterly wasted as people see through his ridiculous charade. Just look at his post history - of which NEM is clearly not the only coin he's trying to (unsuccessfully) manipulate.
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the grand new IPO SCAM of Bitcointalk just started a New Self-Moderated Thread cause they had NO arguments at all against any Critical Input.
this is a major step of every scamcoin on Bitcointalk as we observed countless times. everybody BEWARE! I'd like to clarify to everyone to briefly check over this individuals posting history to get a sense of his hypocrisy and fickle behavior. One moment he's praising nem, next he slanders it. He operates entirely on an agenda and is likely purposefully attempting to reduce and raise NEMStake asset value for his own gains. The proof is in his post history. Sadly, what this individual doesn't realize is his efforts are wasted. Nobody is taking your posts seriously - only your sockpuppet accounts. |
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I am not in favour of self-moderation.
We were not in favor of it either until it was too much. I will post my previous post again. Here are the reasons for the moderated thread: I am 100% for free speech, however, free speech does not entail trolling. I'm afraid people misunderstand this because they also misunderstand what freedom means. Freedom entails some kind of self-imposed limitations. We are free in so far as we don't intentionally harm our neighbor. We simply cannot enter someone's house and kill them or destroy their home and claim we have done it in the name of our freedom. We are not free to do such things and if we do them we have to pay a big price for that. Similarly, with free speech, we are free to express our opinions and thoughts, even disagree and criticize whatever we want but that freedom becomes the seed of destruction when in the name of free speech we allow people to deliberately and intentionally troll and destroy our hard work(without paying any price). This is not freedom, it looks more like madness and there seems to be a great incentive on the internet for people to do that, because at least for now, they don't have to pay any price for their deeds however dreadful they may be. I am not interested in political correctness, I'm only interested in what is right and what is wrong, and allowing trolls to run free in our "home" seems obviously wrong. If we have a self-moderated thread it does not mean we will delete every comment which criticizes or disagrees with us. As long as this is done with a minimal degree of decency every discussion is welcomed. But trolling should never be allowed just because the system we use is too dumb to find a way to penalize such behaviour. Seeing as you reposted this, i'm re-quoting it because i share the sentiment. I think once we have cut the troll disease, our community should be able to evolve and bloom again in no time.
With luck! Some really good discussion was developing in the previous threads before the troll infestation. Hopefully this thread will be a haven for such discussion once more. I'll start some light discussion: Should a NEM Mobile app for Android and iOS be a priority for development after completion of the V.1 blockchain?Most certainly yes. I'd love to see a NEM wallet on android and other mobile device OS's. |
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