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3621  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Offline mining? on: January 01, 2012, 01:34:44 AM
Edit:  In short, couldn't you simply have a computer take the hashing algorithm, process it offline, save the results of the work, connect to the network, then dump all the results at once?


Blocks are linked. You need the previous block to calculate the nonce (which includes a hash of the previous block). Thats why you cant mine offline for longer than ~10 minutes. After 10 minutes you are essentially forking.

^^ This answers te orignal question.

May I ask what is your goal? Are you trying to save bandwidth? Looking to 'mask' the reporting daemon? Trying to minimize net exposure?

Well, I may have access to 2 T/hash under certain conditions, and hashing offline may be one of those conditions.

Noob, hows your basement operation going?


Not bad.  How is it running around the evolutionary cul-de-sac?

And in response to SadPandaTech, minimizing net exposure, yes.
3622  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: SCAMMER PRESENT : -- Tanerlorn aka Jonathan Drane aka iamhiv. on: January 01, 2012, 12:10:01 AM
wilt [wilt]
verb (used without object)

1. to become limp and drooping, as a fading flower; wither.
2. to lose strength, vigor, assurance, etc.: to wilt after a day's hard work.

verb (used with object)

3. to cause to wilt.

noun Also, wilt disease ( for defs. 5b, 6 ) .
4. the act of wilting, or the state of being wilted: a sudden wilt of interest in the discussion.

5. Plant Pathology .
a. the drying out, drooping, and withering of the leaves of a plant due to inadequate water supply, excessive transpiration, or vascular disease.
b. a disease so characterized, as fusarium wilt.

6. a virus disease of various caterpillars, characterized by the liquefaction of body tissues.

I don't see a damn thing in there about mortally wounding, killing or otherwise cause the death thereof. Hence, my CO2, your fertilizer, bingo- symbiotic!

Happy New Year TJ.

I meant that I want my 02 back, not C02  (no doubt this mistake was an unintended consequence of trying to understand your use of the term symbiosis as it was given).  Your C02 didn't make my plants wilt, your intentions did (see The Intention Experiment by Lynn McTaggart). 


3623  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Start a small mining company? on: December 31, 2011, 09:28:48 PM
Ok, that was an off the top of my head number. I get .48 btc for 600mhs bassed on share output.

.48 seems about right
3624  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Start a small mining company? on: December 31, 2011, 09:21:39 PM
Ok, so I want you to just think about this. You are going to make a mining rig with about 600mhs of power, or <0.24 btc a day ($1) and thats with no cost or future repair. So it will take about 2 years to repay the hardware cost, and if you start having to pay for power, you will lose money.

I would want and see if BFL bitforce turns out to be legit and that would produce more btc for less.

Come on #bitcoin-otc and we can talk. Ive been dealing with mining at a commercial level for a while, so I dont mind talking shop.


600 mhs is more than .24 btc a day.  I'm doing around 330-360 m/hashes and I pull in more than that regularly (.33 BTC yesterday, though a bit lucky).
3625  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: SCAMMER PRESENT : -- Tanerlorn aka Jonathan Drane aka iamhiv. on: December 31, 2011, 07:34:41 PM
Asked to be the Admin?

Man, this is one pissed off little jilted lover to be this intent on destroying this Drane clown.

But, hey, thanks for the warning, now quickly get back to your bridge little troll, there are tolls to collect!

The world is nicer when you don't speak.

I open threads containing your posts and my plants start wilting.

Gosh, what a wonderful service I provide to exercise your plants that way. Then you can speak and they are fully fertilized once again. How symbiotic.

Exercise?  They're dead, you bastard.  From now on, I insist that your usage of "symbiotic" refer only to persistent mutualisms.  Damn parasite.  I want my CO2 back.  
3626  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Offline mining? on: December 31, 2011, 07:19:56 PM
Edit:  In short, couldn't you simply have a computer take the hashing algorithm, process it offline, save the results of the work, connect to the network, then dump all the results at once?


Blocks are linked. You need the previous block to calculate the nonce (which includes a hash of the previous block). Thats why you cant mine offline for longer than ~10 minutes. After 10 minutes you are essentially forking.

^^ This answers te orignal question.

May I ask what is your goal? Are you trying to save bandwidth? Looking to 'mask' the reporting daemon? Trying to minimize net exposure?

Well, I may have access to 2 T/hash under certain conditions, and hashing offline may be one of those conditions.
3627  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: 2x6970's Crashing Repeatedly with GUIMiner on: December 31, 2011, 10:19:52 AM
Okay, so I'm getting things stable. Now I am having EXTREME temperature issues with 1 GPU. I can lower the Clock voltage, but I would like to know if I can damage my card with low voltages before I do so. How low can I go before I damage the card, if at all?

What's your fan setting and temp?
Fan setting is at 100% and temps are going above 100c until it crashes. Once I noticed, I was horrified.

So my question is how low can my Clock voltage go at 875MHz Clock speeds? I currently have it running at 1.0V without a crash yet.

Yikes...

Sure you don't have a bad card?

Maybe someone with a little more knowledge can help you.  I haven't messed with the voltage settings much.
3628  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Offline mining? on: December 31, 2011, 10:15:23 AM
If you own more than 51% of the total hashing power, you can "overvote" the results of other miners. Still you will need to connect sooner than after a day. It was not meant as serious tip Smiley.

The reason you need to be connected to the Internet all the time is that there is new block found each approx. 10 minutes and once it is found, your current search must be dumped and you start again on new one. Also, in the rare chance you would find a block yourself, you need to broadcast it as soon as possible, otherwise someone other may take your victory and announce its own block instead of yours.


Well, let's (hypothetically, of course) say that you had access to around 2 t/hash.

Why do the results need to be dumped?  Why can't they be stored and submitted all at once such that you might get like 10 blocks back to back?

Edit:  In short, couldn't you simply have a computer take the hashing algorithm, process it offline, save the results of the work, connect to the network, then dump all the results at once?
3629  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: 2x6970's Crashing Repeatedly with GUIMiner on: December 31, 2011, 10:10:47 AM
Okay, so I'm getting things stable. Now I am having EXTREME temperature issues with 1 GPU. I can lower the Clock voltage, but I would like to know if I can damage my card with low voltages before I do so. How low can I go before I damage the card, if at all?

What's your fan setting and temp?
3630  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Offline mining? on: December 31, 2011, 09:45:19 AM
Generally, NO.

However, if your "miner" can generate about 144 new blocks per day (about 8 TH/sec now), you have a chance to succeed. Smiley

Really...

Could you please elaborate on how one would go about doing this, assuming they had access to that much hashing power?
3631  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: 2x6970's Crashing Repeatedly with GUIMiner on: December 31, 2011, 07:40:19 AM
I'm trying to mine with two MSI Radeon 6970 Lightning Editions and my computer GSOD's after 5-10 seconds of starting the miner. The crash is consist.

-The Cards are getting about 800 mhash/s total. I love it. Cheesy

-I'm using GUIMiner with 2 separate OpenCL miners for my two MSI Radeon 6970 Lightning Editions.

-My flag is -v for both OpenCL miners.

How do I stop this? Sad

lower your clocks until it doesn't crash....  better yet, start them at a low clock and run them for a while.  I do not put my 6970's higher then 900.  if they are new, you should probably burn them in at 800 or 850 for a while.

I second this.  I was running my 6970 over 900 for a good while until I started getting random crashes.  Not always BSODs, but crashes nonetheless.  I think I ended up sending a power surge through the comp that damaged the cpu and motherboard. Luckily these were replaced for free.

I set the clock back to 850 and am running it there at 335 mhash.
3632  Bitcoin / Mining / Offline mining? on: December 31, 2011, 06:46:19 AM
Is it possible to have an offline miner submit saved proof of work?

In other words, is it possible to have a miner attempt to solve blocks for a given period of time (say, 24 hours), store the hashes, and then submit all of the work to the network in bulk after the 24 hours? 
3633  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: SCAMMER PRESENT : -- Tanerlorn aka Jonathan Drane aka iamhiv. on: December 31, 2011, 06:01:08 AM
Asked to be the Admin?

Man, this is one pissed off little jilted lover to be this intent on destroying this Drane clown.

But, hey, thanks for the warning, now quickly get back to your bridge little troll, there are tolls to collect!

The world is nicer when you don't speak.

I open threads containing your posts and my plants start wilting.
3634  Economy / Speculation / Re: Warning: bubble #2 might be forming on: December 31, 2011, 05:54:10 AM
Those few thousand btc sure didn't move the price much.
Also, modest means "doubling in a month instead of a week" when it comes to Bitcoin Wink

Nope, they sure didn't, but that might be due to the lack of any sizable bidwall down to $4.

In the past, it seemed that large dumps like these were followed by more dumping because someone would pull back a 20,000 BTC bidwall and people would panic.  That's why I said it seems to me that there is more demand now in terms of the number of people wanting to buy.  The bid side on Mt. Gox live is almost a perfect diagonal down to $4.  
3635  Economy / Speculation / Re: Warning: bubble #2 might be forming on: December 31, 2011, 05:37:37 AM
I'm smiling at the few thousand BTC that were just dropped on Gox.

My prediction:  No bubble unless there is an exponential increase in new users.  I see no evidence of a rapid influx of new users right now.  I do think there will be other bubbles but you need a reason for a bubble, and right now there is no reason.

That being said, I do think there is higher demand nowadays in terms of the actual number of people wanting to buy (not in terms of the bid/ask amounts in the orderbook) and I think there is some renewed optimism that couldn't be found 2-3 months ago.  Bitcoin has had some nice media exposure lately which might continue when that Bitcoin episode thingy airs in the middle of January.  I think there's a good chance for modest value increases in the short term (2-4 weeks), but I wouldn't expect anything crazy.
3636  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 2012 according to the Mayan calendar on: December 30, 2011, 07:46:08 PM
2012 is about space weather.

3637  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [contest] 2 BTC for suggesting a name of an overlay network on top of Bitcoin on: December 30, 2011, 07:04:22 PM
In my opinion, many suggestions here are intelligent and clever, but they are not easily remembered and they are terrible for marketing.

Think of the name "Kinkos."  This is an especially clever name for a store because it is highly marketable.  And, the reason it is highly marketable is because human infants have the tendency to repeat words with tight consonants, and this tendency continues as people get older.  Ever hear a baby call a pacifier a "binky?"  

Look at the names of the Teletubbies.
1.)  Tinkie Winkie
2.)  Dipsey
3.)  La La
4.)  Po Ko

And, the names of the Pac-Man characters...(Stu is the oddball).

That being said, I think there are still much better names out there.

Edit:  Thought I'd also throw "Barbie" on the list.
3638  Other / Off-topic / Re: Your favorite person? on: December 30, 2011, 05:54:13 PM
Mr. Rodgers is cool enough. Back when the U.S. invaded Haiti I spent some time with the army special forces. Being the new guy, the troops could not resist screwing with me. They had me convinced that Fred Rodgers had been a baddass sniper.  Undecided In retrospect, wtf was I thinking?

But my favorite person? Well, I wish I was as smart as Richard Dawkins.

Richard Dawkins is fallacy master #1.   The same goes for Hitchens, although Hitchens was much more talented at constructing an eloquent sentence.  But, something tells me that neither one of them would have amassed the support they did were it not for their accents.  

Regardless, neither understood the importance of faith.

My favorite person...I'll give it to the Dalai Lama because he was the first person that came to mind.
3639  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [contest] 2 BTC for suggesting a name of an overlay network on top of Bitcoin on: December 28, 2011, 06:03:50 AM
SLOSH - Simple Lucid Overlay System Heuristics

Also known as Slush's Lucid Overlay System Heuristics.

SLUSH - Slush's Lucid Underground System Heuristics (Or Simple ...)

-MarkM-

I see you like my idea of "lucid"   Cheesy


Naypalm, I like the idea of 'canopy.'  Nice one.
3640  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [contest] 2 BTC for suggesting a name of an overlay network on top of Bitcoin on: December 28, 2011, 02:43:49 AM
Elektrum (just swap the k)

Lucid (sounds clear and easy to me)

LinkD (pronounced "linked," because of how it will interact with different servers)

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