kann es stimmen das da schon ein split war ?
Keine Ahnung, wäre aber durchaus möglich. Ein Split von dem man nichts weiss wird nämlich von den meisten Nutzern nicht einmal registriert. Erst durch eine entsprechende Marktingkampagne (aka FUD - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) und nennenswerte Investitionen kann so ein Split (zumindest kurzfristig) funktionieren. Daher denke ich nicht, dass die Kursreaktion etwas mit einem bereits erfolgten Split zu tun hat. und was denkst du über bitcoin cash ? der wird ja sogar schon an einer börse gehandelt und wenn ich nicht falsch informiert bin steht lihang wu dahinter ? haben die nicht auch das bitcoinABC wallet programien lassen ? |
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market crashing again globally, what is the news ?
its the troubling water the market faces till 1 of august with all that news comeing every day bitcoin cash for example right now and for ethereum those hacks almost every week arent helping 4 in a month is not helping trust there is a hack i guess it was garvin wood who made an explanation post and a few days later the same exploit is used for the next hack . and millions are gone . POS is still not ready and this icos are often slopy coded that does not help feeling secure investing |
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danke mezo
was macht denn der kurs da gerade ? kann es stimmen das da schon ein split war ?
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weiss jemand was es mit dieser warnung auf sich hat?
bitoin core wallet debugfenster konsole :
WARNUNG: Betrüger versuchen aktiv Nutzer dazu zu bringen Kommandos hier auszuführen um die Wallet Inhalte zu stehlen. Diese Konsole sollte nicht benutzt werden ausser man kennt die möglichen Folgen des Kommandos.
Man könnte dir im Internet vorgeben zu helfen und dich dazu bringen "dumpprivkey" dort einzugeben. Dann hätte man dir deine Coins gestohlen. Deshalb: Mach es einfach nicht - oder nur, wenn du genau weißt, was du tust. Diese Warnung steht schon eine ganze Weile da. wie meinst du das dumprivkey is doch der befehl um seine privkeys zu sehen und wie kann denn jemand etwas sehen was ich in mein bitcoincore wallet eingebe ? oder durch die eingabe in mein bitcoin core wallet konsole mir meine bitcoin stehlen ? hast du vielleicht einen link der mir das genauer erklärt ? Es geht eher darum dass unwissende User Befehle ausführen von denen Sie nicht wissen was sie tun. Stell dir vor jemand fragt im Forum/StackExchange/etc. wie er eine Liste aller Adressen bekommt, und ein Betrüger antwortet "Gib dumpprivkey ein und poste den Output hier". Der erfahrene Nutzer fällt darauf nicht herein, jemand der keine Ahnung hat aber vielleicht schon. ok danke dann verstehe ich aber der kleine zusatz.NIEMALS OUTPUT AUS WALLET AN DRITTE WEITER GEBEN!!!! würde es klarer machen. man kann auch raw transactionen direkt ausführen. zum beispiel gibt dir dein gegenüber eine raw tx und du gibst sie in der console mit dem entsprechenden befehl ein und schwups landet dein wallet inhalt mit dem nächsten block (weil er natürlich eine hohe fee auf deine kosten nimmt) auf seiner adresse. gott gerade hatte ich mich wieder sicher gefühlt lol und was ist nun wieder eine raw transaktion? also niemals was nutzen das ne adresse beinhaltetllll schon klar. muss bei so einer raw transaktion nicht auch ein pw eingegeben werden ? oder irre ich da |
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so as long as we use
help
and for example
dumpprivkey in the console like listed on the help list we are safe ?
i want to teach them how to get there priv keys out
As long as they do not paste whatever people tell them to, unless they trust that person or know what they are doing. Key in dumpprivkey [ADDRESS] to dump the address. You have to unlock the wallet using walletpassphrase "PASSPHRASE" 600 before that. is this warning ment like:
dont use command lines given by people you find in the net and which ask you to post the output to them ?
Don't paste anything that a stranger tells you to, unless you can trust them or know what you are doing. thank you and yes i know htat i am here just becouse the way the warning is put there in german language it sounds like the phishing can be done in the console at your pc a line like never let third part see the output or past them to otheres for newbyes that would be more clear. |
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is this warning ment like:
dont use command lines given by people you find in the net and which ask you to post the output to them ?
we use german language
and there its not makeing that clear
a line like
never ever post outputs of the console
to others you dont realy trust
becouse in german version it sounds like the problem is in the commandlines in the console
for a newby thats scaring and confusing
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weiss jemand was es mit dieser warnung auf sich hat?
bitoin core wallet debugfenster konsole :
WARNUNG: Betrüger versuchen aktiv Nutzer dazu zu bringen Kommandos hier auszuführen um die Wallet Inhalte zu stehlen. Diese Konsole sollte nicht benutzt werden ausser man kennt die möglichen Folgen des Kommandos.
Man könnte dir im Internet vorgeben zu helfen und dich dazu bringen "dumpprivkey" dort einzugeben. Dann hätte man dir deine Coins gestohlen. Deshalb: Mach es einfach nicht - oder nur, wenn du genau weißt, was du tust. Diese Warnung steht schon eine ganze Weile da. wie meinst du das dumprivkey is doch der befehl um seine privkeys zu sehen und wie kann denn jemand etwas sehen was ich in mein bitcoincore wallet eingebe ? oder durch die eingabe in mein bitcoin core wallet konsole mir meine bitcoin stehlen ? hast du vielleicht einen link der mir das genauer erklärt ? Es geht eher darum dass unwissende User Befehle ausführen von denen Sie nicht wissen was sie tun. Stell dir vor jemand fragt im Forum/StackExchange/etc. wie er eine Liste aller Adressen bekommt, und ein Betrüger antwortet "Gib dumpprivkey ein und poste den Output hier". Der erfahrene Nutzer fällt darauf nicht herein, jemand der keine Ahnung hat aber vielleicht schon. ok danke dann verstehe ich aber der kleine zusatz.NIEMALS OUTPUT AUS WALLET AN DRITTE WEITER GEBEN!!!! würde es klarer machen. |
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my question is are there actual phishing atempts and where would i find infos about it ?
i am helping a few newbys in bitcoin and i told them core is the best wallet never got hacked
I haven't encountered any.' This is just a common social engineering attack, just like how people get fake calls from Microsoft and they pay hundreds of dollars to remove a non existent virus. This is the same except that the victim is lured to paste the command into their client and reply with the output which contains the private key. Bitcoin Core is not hacked, it can happen to any wallet. so as long as we use help and for example dumpprivkey in the console like listed on the help list we are safe ? i want to teach them how to get there priv keys out |
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weiss jemand was es mit dieser warnung auf sich hat?
bitoin core wallet debugfenster konsole :
WARNUNG: Betrüger versuchen aktiv Nutzer dazu zu bringen Kommandos hier auszuführen um die Wallet Inhalte zu stehlen. Diese Konsole sollte nicht benutzt werden ausser man kennt die möglichen Folgen des Kommandos.
Man könnte dir im Internet vorgeben zu helfen und dich dazu bringen "dumpprivkey" dort einzugeben. Dann hätte man dir deine Coins gestohlen. Deshalb: Mach es einfach nicht - oder nur, wenn du genau weißt, was du tust. Diese Warnung steht schon eine ganze Weile da. wie meinst du das dumprivkey is doch der befehl um seine privkeys zu sehen und wie kann denn jemand etwas sehen was ich in mein bitcoincore wallet eingebe ? oder durch die eingabe in mein bitcoin core wallet konsole mir meine bitcoin stehlen ? hast du vielleicht einen link der mir das genauer erklärt ? |
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Bitcoin Core is not compromised and that message is completely normal.
It is just a message to inform people not familiar with using Bitcoin Core that using the functions within the debug console can result in them being scammed. Eg. using dumpprivkey would expose the private key.
i use bitcoincore now for years and never had that warning at least its new my question is are there actual phishing atempts and where would i find infos about it ? i am helping a few newbys in bitcoin and i told them core is the best wallet never got hacked |
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weiss jemand was es mit dieser warnung auf sich hat?
bitoin core wallet debugfenster konsole :
WARNUNG: Betrüger versuchen aktiv Nutzer dazu zu bringen Kommandos hier auszuführen um die Wallet Inhalte zu stehlen. Diese Konsole sollte nicht benutzt werden ausser man kennt die möglichen Folgen des Kommandos.
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hi got this warning in my debugwindow today:
WARNUNG: Betrüger versuchen aktiv Nutzer dazu zu bringen Kommandos hier auszuführen um die Wallet Inhalte zu stehlen. Diese Konsole sollte nicht benutzt werden ausser man kennt die möglichen Folgen des Kommandos.
ist german and sais warning: there are thiefs that try to activly force users to use comands to take what is in the wallet. dont use this console if you are not certain about the comands result.
how do this thief do it ?
what comands would that be ?
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Thank you man for this always beloved scam. The ETH logo looks like the center of the masonic square and compass IMO, I'm goncerned. I was heavily invested in the DAO so of course I threw my support behind the dev team and screamed scam at ETC. However I'm worried that Butters will turn into Andresen 2.0 especially with his meeting Putin reminds of the time the CIA put a chip in buddies head made him larp support for 20GB blocks. My views have changed a bit over time and ETC is not a scam IMO. My 2c. Man, you couldn't be more wrong... The image below shows the unspeakable truth... ETC is meant for the Illuminatis. ETH is for true libertarians!  lol your jokes are awsom lol |
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now there needs to come a hard fork to give that coins back it has been said that the three addresses affected were addresses related to an incoming ICO ! Does anybody know what project token or ICO was effected by this attack? A hardfork isn't the solution though....sloppy code will result in a messy outcome, so the solution is to not take risks with unproven code. This isn't the type of stuff for which a chain should be purposefully forked, right? the dao was sloppy code and ethereum forked !? Good one roselee  Please remember that the DAO hard fork was decided after (almost) consensus in the ETH community as wasn't the result of a so called God mode. Moreover, the DAO owned 15% of all ETH when the bug in Parity's multisig we are facing here is only regarding 0.6% of all ETH (of which 3/4 has been rescued by the White hats group). Not that much at stake to even consider an hard fork here. no i see it different the dao fork was no consensus of "almost all users" the voting was done in a rush not all useres could join or wanted to join becouse you had to send eth to vote and simple ethereum holders not invested in the dao didnt find out that fast. and there were lots of no´s about it. but as i recall lots of the VIP´s were invested in the dao and thats why the hardfork was important.ETC suporters were called suporter of thiefs becouse they said comunity cant rollback the chain to bail out bad investment. and now you say the damage is not done to a lot of people so no hardfork? a year ago the eth suporters said a thief is a thief and cant get away with it . but never mind i just wanted to know how eth suporters see it a year later. Well, look at the differences in value....How much has the value of eth increased since the DAO fork? And, yes, the DAO contract code was exploited if you remember right....that was a major part of the argument. I was invested in the DAO, but I was against a fork because of the very questions we're facing today....It worked out for Ethereum ---> That observation can be deduced from the levels of support for the two separate chains, right? However, the original fork decision is still throwing shade on the governance of the network and that was predicted during the first fork debate. hmm breaking down what you say is, since the shady goverance dealing with the dao the interest of big players was turned to ethereum? and now ethereum gets used to tokenice fiat. dont get me wrong i thought and think vitalik had a amazing idea, thats why i invested in the crwodsale. but is this ethereum still what vitalik visioned back then ? |
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and farguson you are right there is to much an stake if they would do a hf now projects already running on eth but that was so when the dao hf was done too. sure there were smaller projects but they called it then colateral. and those projects had losses which never got repayed.
but its a good thing that ethereum fondation and vitalik now wont fork .
i wonder now what will happen with the whitehat funds. becouse as far as i know are the white hat funds back from the daohack are still not all payed back. its difficult to reach out to all the holders. some wont check that often . but that does not mean a comunity can decide to say if you dont claim it its ours .
that will be very interesting to watch now.
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But not like this. Why the hell would people want a tokenized fiat? It makes no sense.
Why not just use the established cryptocurrencies for day to day payments...
Price stability?? You mean 10% inflation / yeaar? 99.9% of the value of USD was lost in the past 100 years... No thanks. I like if my wealth is going up not down. Cryptocurrencies mostly go up in price. IMHO some governments are thinking about tokenizing fiat especially in Asia because it's a way to make cashless transactions without having to trust a third party like Paypal or WeChat in China. But it's certainly not for price stability yet as even the big cryptocurrencies are still very (VERY) volatile. So, when ETH will fork again?
again almost 20 mil $ got stolen!
and why on the ETH chain and not on the ETC chain?
I don't think they will fork this time, that will cause too much chaos, too much time has passed since the fiasco. It didnt happened on the ETC chain because the ETC chain is no longer ETH, it doesn't have the same ICO's as ETH does, so ETC is a separate entity and has nothing to do with ETH anymore. If your question was about whether or not an hard fork happening on the ETH blockchain should happen on the ETC blockchain, profitgenerator212 made a good point underlining that they are two different entities by know. If your question was about why the stealth of 20 M$ worth happened on ETH and not on ETC, the answer is, IMHO, that the ETC blockchain isn't as valuable as ETH's (because of its marketcap but also because of some other points which were discussed 1 or 2 pages ago on this thread). This make ETH much more interesting to steal. Plus Parity exists only for ETH, not for ETC. and etc does not rush things etcdev team acomplished a lot since the dao hf the diff bomb, repay protection, the cap and they work on a new independet wallet emeralt, the iohk (charles hoskinson) works on rewriting the whole code and documenting it there are projects planed but the comunity is very careful many of the icos on eth are looking like scams and etc can do what eth can but wont rush it eth might get to big to fast there is a presure on the devs and all this icos remind me of the techbuble plus eth seems to attrackt the banks, keep in mind banks had a monoply on money printing that is over since the blockchain was born. first they fought it now they want to be part of it or take it over but fakt is now one can chose |
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now there needs to come a hard fork to give that coins back it has been said that the three addresses affected were addresses related to an incoming ICO ! Does anybody know what project token or ICO was effected by this attack? A hardfork isn't the solution though....sloppy code will result in a messy outcome, so the solution is to not take risks with unproven code. This isn't the type of stuff for which a chain should be purposefully forked, right? the dao was sloppy code and ethereum forked !? Good one roselee Please remember that the DAO hard fork was decided after (almost) consensus in the ETH community as wasn't the result of a so called God mode. Moreover, the DAO owned 15% of all ETH when the bug in Parity's multisig we are facing here is only regarding 0.6% of all ETH (of which 3/4 has been rescued by the White hats group). Not that much at stake to even consider an hard fork here. no i see it different the dao fork was no consensus of "almost all users" the voting was done in a rush not all useres could join or wanted to join becouse you had to send eth to vote and simple ethereum holders not invested in the dao didnt find out that fast. and there were lots of no´s about it. but as i recall lots of the VIP´s were invested in the dao and thats why the hardfork was important.ETC suporters were called suporter of thiefs becouse they said comunity cant rollback the chain to bail out bad investment. and now you say the damage is not done to a lot of people so no hardfork? a year ago the eth suporters said a thief is a thief and cant get away with it . but never mind i just wanted to know how eth suporters see it a year later. |
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now there needs to come a hard fork to give that coins back it has been said that the three addresses affected were addresses related to an incoming ICO ! Does anybody know what project token or ICO was effected by this attack? A hardfork isn't the solution though....sloppy code will result in a messy outcome, so the solution is to not take risks with unproven code. This isn't the type of stuff for which a chain should be purposefully forked, right? the dao was sloppy code and ethereum forked !? |
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now there needs to come a hard fork to give that coins back |
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Mach dir keine Sorgen, es ist ein Hinweis das ein neues Signal Flag da ist.
Du hast aber bereits (14.1) und bist bestens gerüstet, könntest aber auch updaten auf 14.2.
Den Hinweis bekommst du da aber auch.
dank dir |
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