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It is very obvious there are posters on this forum that are hell bent on continuing to put Ethereum down anyway possible. They are not here to simple discuss things related to Ethereum. They can easily go to or create their own thread. These posters are going out of their way on purpose. This shows their malice. The arguments they bring up are so ridiculous, implausible, historical contradictory, and without any kind of credibility that they are not worth the time to bother about replying to. This may very well be the continuous co-ordinated effort by very few to try to keep etc alive in all ways possible. They are trying anything and everything.
The simple consideration that they could be trying to build there own community in there own space getting on with their own thing instead of doing this shows the psychology intent behind them and what they are all about.
The way things have and are historically playing out, continually enforces that the hackers and now any affiliates have alot to lose in this, and their whole world will be to extract as much out of this as possible. They are dealing with life changing amounts of money for themselves. Coupled to some peoples want to destroy Ethereum that will only be allayed by them trying to take control of it.
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They've been taking their time about it, the sooner the better. About time the divisive and destructive people got a taste of what they've been dishing out. |
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ETH-C is gonna be just a copy and past coin if it survives at all. The C will stand for copy.
ETH-F is gonna be just testnet if it survives at all. The F will stand for Fork, Foundation, or F#cked up ether. you really have little conception of things |
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ETH-C is gonna be just a copy and past coin if it survives at all. The C will stand for copy. And for this reason the development team should place a self destruct in the next fork update that will initiate in some way through the differences in the chains with regard to the dao attack to prevent anyone continuing to just copy their work. In fact I implore the developers to work on this with the next update. They have every right to do it if it can be done.
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Quite amazing what I've been seeing. Comes down to the pure hatred of Etherium to the point of trying to use it against itself, and people stupid enough to give away their money to a thief and the like, utterly amazing.
It's like inviting a thief into your home and watching him pick out whatever they want and waving goodby with a smile on your face.
Vitalik has as nicely as he possibly can said goodby to all that to move on with Ethereum.
It has become quite apparent that Ethereum will move on with the continued development and all the backing of what is being developed on it and all else will be left behind in what they have so wanted.
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Any reasonable, reasoning person should see that there is something shady going on at Poloniex.
Whatever your thinking don't be so stupid not to see it.
I have already withdrawn all my coins from there.
There is something going on internally there, I'm not gonna get caught up in it. You can see it a mile away.
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What motives has Poloniex for trading the old chain. They could be be in an alliance with the dao hacker. This could go very badly for Poloniex. They are providing a method of exchanging stolen ether.
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The legalities in the cryptosphere is in the gray area at best. The attacker can argue that the exploit he did was all in the rules of the DAO and there that no theft took place. And in the side of Vitalik, they should have done a better job with the security audits. How can you store 150 million dollars worth of ether in the DAO and thinking that no one will try to attack it? That is very incompetent of them.
If there is a fault in any computer code and someone uses it to enrich themselves it is theft. |
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The time is now very close and we will see it unfold one way or another.
And I don't mind being repetitive because I don't know if it has sunk in yet what can happen.
Because of the unique way things have happened most just don't get the ramifications of a theft like this occurring. There will be major continuous effects which will cause contagion because of the people and authorities that will be draw into it.
LAW IS LAW - Code is not the law - THEFT IS THEFT.
Ethereum simply will not exist if the theft will go ahead and is not stopped. People I think just aren't taking on board how ethereums future is hanging in the balance. Ethereum at the moment has become a casino bet red/black close to 50/50 odds as it may appear.
The fact that anyone can get the price on offer and cash out is just the other side of whether a fork will occur and ethereum will continue and most likely greatly prosper. Because without the definitive knowledge that a fork will occur the price should be leaning towards zero. All the efforts of the developers and all else will come to nothing.
It is quite surreal with the continuous going ons' in Etherium whether meet ups or considerations of things built on Ethereum and discussions of their future etc. It's all (castles in the air) as their future still hangs in the balance.
This is an out there unusual situation just because the way things developed over the course of dao creation and onward's.There were two major flaws in the dao, one being the obvious codeing problems the other being the lack of limitations within the creation phase. Because of this it is extending into Ethereum itself and because of this it will extend into the entire crypto world if not stopped.
It's just incredible to view the ridicules ideas some have about the law or is that blockchain law that exists only on computerland with their head so far up a computer they don't know whats what anymore or maybe they just didn't know whats what in the first place.
I am glad there are some out there that can articulate better than myself. - Jack du Rose -
"Any ideas about theDAO being outside of the scope of any jurisdiction are mistaken. Smart contracts are not smart, and they’re not contracts. Code is not law; law is law. Notions to the contrary are naive, no matter what it says on any website’s marketing copy.
If the stolen funds are not returned, Ethereum projects in general are in jeopardy. There will be complaints to the U.S. Security and Exchange Commission (SEC), who have jurisdiction all over the
world, so long as US citizens are affected. An investigation into theDAO will ensue, dragging Ethereum through the mud behind it.
If we demonstrate the ability to govern our own affairs responsibly, and the funds are recovered, no loss will have taken place. There will be far less merit to any complaint, which therefore reduces the likelihood of the SEC wasting scarce resources on complex overseas adventures."
LAW IS LAW
There is an added effect when legalities take hold on the entire crypto sphere which no one is even taking into consideration yet.
thats another good point but the question is will they be able to do a hf in such a short amount of time a secure one plus either way hf or not SEC will investigate becouse it does not matter for them if the insider fix it or not ? law is law ? at the moment one can say the code is the contract and following the lines of the code no crime was done. but if they roll it back what will the SEC say then? Like I said many just don't get it yet. Theft is theft. |
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The time is now very close and we will see it unfold one way or another.
And I don't mind being repetitive because I don't know if it has sunk in yet what can happen.
Because of the unique way things have happened most just don't get the ramifications of a theft like this occurring. There will be major continuous effects which will cause contagion because of the people and authorities that will be draw into it.
LAW IS LAW - Code is not the law - THEFT IS THEFT.
Ethereum simply will not exist if the theft will go ahead and is not stopped. People I think just aren't taking on board how ethereums future is hanging in the balance. Ethereum at the moment has become a casino bet red/black close to 50/50 odds as it may appear.
The fact that anyone can get the price on offer and cash out is just the other side of whether a fork will occur and ethereum will continue and most likely greatly prosper. Because without the definitive knowledge that a fork will occur the price should be leaning towards zero. All the efforts of the developers and all else will come to nothing.
It is quite surreal with the continuous going ons' in Etherium whether meet ups or considerations of things built on Ethereum and discussions of their future etc. It's all (castles in the air) as their future still hangs in the balance.
This is an out there unusual situation just because the way things developed over the course of dao creation and onward's.There were two major flaws in the dao, one being the obvious codeing problems the other being the lack of limitations within the creation phase. Because of this it is extending into Ethereum itself and because of this it will extend into the entire crypto world if not stopped.
It's just incredible to view the ridicules ideas some have about the law or is that blockchain law that exists only on computerland with their head so far up a computer they don't know whats what anymore or maybe they just didn't know whats what in the first place.
I am glad there are some out there that can articulate better than myself. - Jack du Rose -
"Any ideas about theDAO being outside of the scope of any jurisdiction are mistaken. Smart contracts are not smart, and they’re not contracts. Code is not law; law is law. Notions to the contrary are naive, no matter what it says on any website’s marketing copy.
If the stolen funds are not returned, Ethereum projects in general are in jeopardy. There will be complaints to the U.S. Security and Exchange Commission (SEC), who have jurisdiction all over the
world, so long as US citizens are affected. An investigation into theDAO will ensue, dragging Ethereum through the mud behind it.
If we demonstrate the ability to govern our own affairs responsibly, and the funds are recovered, no loss will have taken place. There will be far less merit to any complaint, which therefore reduces the likelihood of the SEC wasting scarce resources on complex overseas adventures."
LAW IS LAW
There is an added effect when legalities take hold on the entire crypto sphere which no one is even taking into consideration yet.
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Only a couple of days left as first date for hard fork to be implemented.
Can it be done in time?
Anyone know what is happening?
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Put your money where your mouth is!Carbonvote proves that discussions must take place on coin-backed forums, not on easily gamed ones like Reddit  I have to say as someone new to redit just recently, with what I experienced, It's a terrible place to post any opinion. It has become quite obvious by the outcome of the vote compared to what has happened and been said their, that It has a dominant group of people that can override what most people consider correct. It has been overwhelmingly controlled to the opposite of this vote which is independent of reddit. And to top it off, the way posts are considered worthy or unworthy is a an obvious broken system. |
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If something definitive doesn't come out real soon ethereum will start to lose more value as time is getting to close to the theft being allowed to happen.
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There's only one line of code that exists for etherium at the moment.
Fork etheruim = etherium keeps going, No fork = etherium wipe out, no more.
Etherium simply will not exist if the theft will go ahead and is not stopped. People I think just aren't taking on board how etheriums future is hanging in the balance. Etherium at the moment has become a casino bet red/black close to 50/50 odds as it may appear.
The fact that anyone can get the price on offer and cash out is just the other side of whether a fork will occur and etherum will continue and most likely greatly prosper. Because without the definitive knowledge that a fork will occur the price should be leaning towards zero. All the efforts of the developers and all else will come to nothing.
It is quite surreal with the continuous going on's in etherium whether meet ups or considerations of things built on etherium and discussions of their future etc. It's all castles in the air as their future still hangs in the balance.
This is an out there unusual situation just because the way things developed over the course of dao creation and onwards.
There were two major flaws in the dao, one being the obvious codeing problems the other being the lack of limitations within the creation phase. Because of this it is extending into etherium itself and because of this it will extend into the entire crypto world if not stopped.
It's just increadable to view the redicules ideas some have about the law or is that blockchain law that exists only on computerland with their head so far up a computer they don't know whats what anymore or maybe they just didn't know whats what in the first place.
I am glad there are some out there that can articulate better than myself. - Jack du Rose -
"Any ideas about theDAO being outside of the scope of any jurisdiction are mistaken. Smart contracts are not smart, and they’re not contracts. Code is not law; law is law. Notions to the contrary are naive, no matter what it says on any website’s marketing copy.
If the stolen funds are not returned, Ethereum projects in general are in jeopardy. There will be complaints to the U.S. Security and Exchange Commission (SEC), who have jurisdiction all over the world, so long as US citizens are affected. An investigation into theDAO will ensue, dragging Ethereum through the mud behind it.
If we demonstrate the ability to govern our own affairs responsibly, and the funds are recovered, no loss will have taken place. There will be far less merit to any complaint, which therefore reduces the likelihood of the SEC wasting scarce resources on complex overseas adventures."
LAW IS LAW
There is an added effect when legalities take hold of an entire crypto wipe out.
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Just to reiterate
Theft is theft. Forget blockchain ideologies.
If the theft of etherium/dao is allowed to go ahead, then should etherium be worth anything?
It would accept stealing as ok and the norm, and be seen to reward such behavior.
A thief should be brought to justice not rewarded. It was an accepted part of the dao that funds wouldn't be released accept for consensus of the dao, not consensus of anyone else. If someone hacked any institution because its security was lax, it would be theft just the same, and the same goes for anything else. There is no such thing as a fair flaw.
This is a theft that can be stopped, so if developers can stop it but choose not to, or don't use anything in their power to stop it, it can be seen as effectively aiding in the theft.
Forget blockchain ideologies they will be meaningless. Everyone take very careful analysis of what is occurring there can be consequences if the theft is allowed to continue.
And consider the effect of a thief holding such a large percentage of ether equals etherium can't be trusted in the future, as it gives power, and may if possible be used to take down the system at anytime in the future with no recourse.
Those that have unfavorably commented on my previous post have shown that they have their head so far up a computer that they have forgotten they live in the real world.
They are also making misleading assumptions about me which shows the state of logic that evolves from them.
Also to consider anyone found to be helping a theft could also be brought to justice.
There may also be ramifications to this that are hard to see at the moment that may have wider implications.
This could be over with a simple fork or whatever is needed.
You do not need to re-compute history, this is a fundamentally difference in the way etherium works, as has been stated in LBT live (thanks Mrpumperitis for link). This also doesn't need to be a president as its so early in etherums development.
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A Hard Fork needs to be done or anything that stops the thief getting ether that has been stolen.
This is taking so long to fix that it is causing etherium and the developers a massive lose of faith
If the developers don't sort this out real fast all faith will be lost in etherium because such a large theft was aloud to occur when it could have been stopped.
Who wants to be a part of an ecosystem that rewards stealing and refuses to stop it when it can be stopped. Just the thought of a thief holding so much ether should send etherium to Zero. And this person should be brought to justice as soon as he can be identified for attempted theft.
Any kind of blockchain ideology will be meaningless with what is occurring.
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Why are people bothered with T-Shirts when the whole etherium ecosystem is at stake?
I wouldn't bother printing T-Shirts until this is all over, you may be wasting your time.
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Theft is theft. Forget blockchain ideologies.
If the theft of etherium/dao is allowed to go ahead, then should etherium be worth anything?
It would accept stealing as ok and the norm, and be seen to reward such behavior.
A thief should be brought to justice not rewarded. It was an accepted part of the dao that funds wouldn't be released accept for consensus of the dao, not consensus of anyone else. If someone hacked any institution because its security was lax, it would be theft just the same, and the same goes for anything else. There is no such thing as a fair flaw.
This is a theft that can be stopped, so if developers can stop it but choose not to, or don't use anything in their power to stop it, it can be seen as effectively aiding in the theft.
Forget blockchain ideologies they will be meaningless. Everyone take very careful analysis of what is occurring there can be consequences if the theft is allowed to continue.
And consider the effect of a thief holding such a large percentage of ether equals etherium can't be trusted in the future, as it gives power, and may if possible be used to take down the system at anytime in the future with no recourse.
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They can make a movie out of all thats happening - Ethereum the movie!
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