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41  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: cashout or wait till the end? on: May 10, 2024, 08:05:54 PM

You are right but there are things you need to know, it's not everyone that's gambling to make money, some gamblers are gambling because they need to be entertained, some gambled because they need something to keep them busy like to ease their stress while many gamblers because they need money. Those who gamble to make money believes that the ones they see are the ones they have, when they sees any little money from their bets as long as the money is a little bit big for them they will cashout but it's only the ones that's somehow greedy that waits for the whole games to end before they cash out. I believed that those who waits for the whole gambles to end are not just greedy but they are somehow good in risk taking.
Gambling for the purpose of entertainment, if someone bets a large amount and he gets a chance to cashout double the amount of his bet or more than that, then he should cash out at that time without putting his money at risk. If I was in that situation, I would have cashed out. Because even if gambling is used as fun, if money can be cashed out with good quality profit, then why should that opportunity be missed? i don’t want to miss that opportunity but don't know someone else thinking

In the event that you're not a fan of gambling, you can always use it as a means of entertainment to fill your spare time when you're feeling bored because by making gambling as entertainment, it is less likely for you to overdo gambling as is done by gamblers who come with the intention and purpose of earning, in the sense that having the intention and purpose of seeking entertainment will be able to make us avoid the possible adverse effects that exist in gambling.

But still for the issue of chances of winning and chances of losing everyone has the same possibility regardless of the purpose of gambling, in the sense that you can win and you can also lose a certain amount, and if you manage to win in one of the sessions you do then obviously as you said above that it is best to take the decision to immediately cash out the winnings, because if you continue then there is a possibility for you to lose again which will make you lose the amount you have previously earned, and I would say that having the ability to cash out at the right time is a smart approach to gambling. In fact it is always better to cash out a win (even if it is a small amount) than to lose.
42  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Robot Trading, Menjanjikan Profit, Benarkah? on: May 10, 2024, 07:38:42 PM
Kini zaman sudah semakin modern yang dimana kita hidup dengan di penuhi kecanggihan dunia digital yang semakin maju, yang dimana situasi ini membuat sudut pandang orang - orang menjadi cukup positif dalam menanggapi atau menyikapi segala sesuatu yang berbau digital atau sistem yang membuat mereka sekilas mungkin menaruh kepercayaan khususnya pada robot trading. Hal lainnya mungkin saya akan berbagi bahwa salah satu manfaat lain dari robot trading itu untuk menghindarkan kita dari yang namanya nafsu karena robot itulah yang akan bekerja sesuai dengan yang sudah kita atur sebelumnya yang dimana kita hanya memantau, jadi kecil kemungkinannya bagi kita untuk mengalami emosi karena kita sudah mengatur semuanya khususnya TP dan SL nya, dan juga selain itu sarannya adalah jangan mudah tergiur dengan segala sesuatu yang di tawarkan, memiliki sudut pandang rasional untuk menciptakan keputusan yang bijak selalu di sarankan dalam hal apapun.
Kalau bicara robot trading, tidak hanya sistem yang mempermudah kita untuk trading, tapi juga trust atau kepercayaan kita terhadap si pembuatnya. Betul robot tersebut akan dapat mengontrol emosi dan nafsu kita supaya tidak terjadi lost, namun kita juga harus memperhatikan legal atau tidaknya robot tersebut. Soalnya, di Indonesia ini saja hampir ratusan robot trading ilegal yang ditemukan oleh OJK, contohnya saja blast, dimana merugikan nasabah hampir 1.2 triliun rupiah. Tapi untunglah si pemiliknya Putra Wibowo sudah ditangkap, sehingga ada kemungkinan akan bayar ganti rugi kepada semua nasabah mereka. Namun ya tetap saja, emosi nasabah tetap tidak terkendali jika bicara pemilik yang melarikan uang mereka.

Nah ya itu tepat sekali gan, memang benar bahwa selain kita melihat kualitas dari robotnya disisi lain kita juga harus benar - benar bisa memastikan tentang apakah robot tersebut terdaftar di OJK atau tidak, dalam artian untuk memastikan bahwa itu merupakah robot yang legal untuk di gunakan, dan juga memastikan tentang siapa pemilik dari robot tersebut dengan cara mencari tahu dari berbagai sumber yang terpercaya, jangan sampai kita hanya melihat produknya saja tetapi juga dengan memastikan tentang apakah pemilik tersebut benar - benar bisa di percaya atau tidak, dan saya pikir memang tidak ada salahnya untuk memastikan semua ini sebagai bentuk kehati - hatian yang dimana setidaknya kita bisa terhindar dari kemungkinan yang tidak di inginkan seperti penipuan.

Selebihnya untuk masalah manfaat dari robot trading ya saya pikir kita semua disini sepemikiran bahwa memang robot trading tidak lebih dari sekedar alat bantu untuk memudahkan kita dalam melakukan sesi trading agar lebih mudah dan terhindar dari kemungkinan emosi akibat kerugian, tetapi yang harus di ingat adalah tetap saja pada akhirnya robot trading sama sekali tidak bisa menjamin keuntungan. Hal lainnya jujur saya baru mendengar tentang kasus blast ini gan, dan mungkin ini bisa di jadikan sebagai pelajaran untuk para trader agar lebih berhati - hati dalam mengambil keputusan agar tidak salah memilih.
43  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is it proper for younger ones to gamble? on: May 09, 2024, 04:20:16 PM
Young people shouldn't touch betting because when they see a way to earn money with minimal effort, they will not focus study and socialize, but they will focus to spend all of their time just for gambling. They think if they have spend all of their time and effort for gambling, they will become a professional gambler and will high likely to earn. But, the reality most gamblers are in loss.

Well the idea is quite reasonable, finding a place that can give them money for nothing with little effort is a disease, if for example it is obtained because they have expertise or skills such as painting, editing or something else then maybe it will not be a problem, but if we talk about gambling then obviously it is best not to approach gambling at all, because putting hope in winning in gambling will only lead them to many disasters in their lives and we can see that there are already quite a lot of gamblers who have experienced downturns due to putting their hopes of "earning" in a place that has absolutely no certainty and any guarantee to always be able to get a win. But on the other hand, to be honest, it is very difficult to tell people who are tempted by something that looks tempting, especially if they are typical stubborn people who will be very difficult to advise.
44  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How can we help beginners not to get addicted on: May 09, 2024, 04:02:32 PM
Initially I was thinking that there is something we can do about this but a careful look at it shows we cannot do another. First, most beginner gamblers keep things to themselves and will never let anyone know they started gambling. You only get to know about their gambling when they have major win or major loss. Under this confidential arrangement, it becomes difficult even identifying beginners that you don't know. I feel that every gambler have to follow the natural process of learning from experience and any advice offered can only help to shorten the learning curve. When beginners experience continuous loses, they will begin to manage their risk properly and also put their greed in check. It is even rare for beginners to take advice, not when the driving force that got them into gambling is still very strong.

Well I agree with your point that this is really out of our hands, not everyone knows that they are a gambler, especially if they are in a country that prohibits gambling which obviously they will hide their gambling activities and make sure that people do not know that they are involved in gambling which obviously makes it difficult for us to be able to help beginners to have a common sense approach to gambling, and I will say that you will be able to monitor their gambling activity if they are one of the people you are very close to like a real friend who tries to gamble, but if they are someone else who is completely unknown to us then yes of course we will not be able to do anything.

In the end, it still comes back to each person, most likely those who will survive and avoid the adverse effects of addiction are those beginners who start their gambling activities based on the right understanding and knowledge of how gambling is actually in the sense that they do not only see in terms of winning opportunities but also see the various adverse effects that can be caused when they have the wrong approach to gambling.
45  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you care about what people say about you gambling? on: May 09, 2024, 03:43:02 PM

In my opinion, it is pointless to react to someone's opinion about gambling addiction. I only care about what my close people think about me. And they know that I am a responsible person. On the opinion of others about my passion for gambling I do not care. And in fact, I would advise people who like to discuss and condemn other people's hobbies to take care of their personal lives and do not waste time. In my opinion, all these people who like to discuss someone are just losers and by judging others they are trying to self-actualize among losers like themselves.

Yeap, all those who try to "teach me" how to live my life should mind their own business. I never asked for their opinion or advice. If someone comes to me and starts to teach me that gambling is bad, I will get troubles because of gambling and etc, then such person will get a rude reply from me. Maybe I am rude caveman, but what how else should I reply if someone interferes in my private life?

Life is full of drama and anything can happen, sometimes even if for example we just keep quiet and don't do anything wrong but sometimes like there are some people who look for our mistakes or even slander us in any case which causes problems and can also make others have a bad point of view on us, and on the other hand I think we have to admit that gambling has a bad point of view in the eyes of most of society which is usually this bad point of view is created because many gamblers treat gambling in the wrong way which makes them experience bad effects so that society claims that gambling is a bad activity and people who are involved in this activity are usually seen as someone who has a bad personality. and basically it doesn't matter even if for example, gambling is a bad activity, and basically it doesn't matter even if for example you are a gambler who is able to control your gambling activities well without harming yourself but still sometimes people see it from another point of view that maybe they just stick to their own thoughts that think that you are someone who has a bad personality because you are involved in gambling, and the other thing is that I don't think you should listen too much to what other people say as long as you don't harm them.
46  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: May 08, 2024, 09:19:43 PM
Bayern Munich finally scored a goal and made the score 0-1 and the goal came from Alphonso Davies' hard kick, I think this match was really a very interesting match. And I'm sure Real Madrid will score because there are more shots on Bayern Munich's goal, and Bayern Munich goalkeeper Manuel Neuer is an experienced and very good goalkeeper who makes it difficult for Real Madrid to score goals and is always thwarted.
Real Madrid should play Luka Modric because he is a very influential player, and I hope this match ends in a draw so that there is extra time and I can enjoy this great match more.
Amd now it's 1-1 courtesy to a goal by joselu, and this goal was well expected because the pressure was just too much and finally they yielded to the pressure but irrespective of the equalizing goal from Real Madrid, Bayern Munich have actually played very well and deserves to take this game to additional extra minutes. But truth be told, I really expected Real Madrid to win but it seems they will be needing another additional 30minutes to decide that date.
Joselu have just scored the winner for Real Madrid to make it a brace for him this night, what am epic match, Bayern Munich players will really cry in this loss because imagine winning all the way from 68th minutes to 88th minutes and Joselu just broke the heart of Bayern Munich. Such an unfortunate night for Bayern Munich because they almost felt that they have qualified for the finals only for Joselu to end their dream within an interval of 3 minutes, the first was 88th minutes while the second goal was 90+1 minutes this is really hard for Bayern Munich to bear but they need to accept the outcome of the game.

Honestly I'm actually quite sorry to see Bayern Munich who ended the season without winning any trophies especially in the Bundesliga and now they have to fail in the UCL, and as you said that this is a very epic match and full of tension where in the Bundesliga Tuchel no longer has hope and inevitably they have to win this match to be able to go to the final to realize their last hope of winning the UCL trophy, but yes as we saw just now that Real Madrid was able to turn things around in a very short period of time and I think there is no harm in saying that Real Madrid is the god of luck Cheesy where Joselu's presence managed to turn things around with only 3 minutes to score 2 goals and it was crazy. Tongue
47  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How my gambling life started. on: May 08, 2024, 08:56:18 PM

It's like this, what happens is that many players do not apply this and they prefer to manage their emcoins and end up losing control, so because of this they lose a lot of money, because they are not clear that it is easier to have money than to manage emotions, I I am one of those players who have tried to manage their emotions, and I have not been able to, there are always impulses, there is always adrenaline involved that sometimes does not allow one to control oneself, even though one has great control, so I chose to control my money, win or lose because things are very meant to be and understand that money in a casino is volatile and it is easy to lose it for us as players.
I agree with what you say, emotions already exist and can even be said to be innate from birth. Therefore, we will definitely find it difficult to regulate emotions, let alone eliminate emotions. The easiest thing we can control is the money we use for gambling.
Just limit the maximum game expenditure and don't add any extra money if it runs out. that way bigger losses can still be avoided.

However emotions can never be eliminated because as you said above that emotions are something that everyone is born with, emotions are not to be eliminated but to be controlled, on the other hand it is a fact that most people especially those involved in gambling that they will find it difficult to manage their emotions but I will say that the difficulty of managing emotions only exists in a gambler who comes with the intention and purpose of earning, the reason is clear that they come to get a win which means that when the results at the end of the session are not what they expected then obviously they will definitely get emotional.

This means that the ability to control emotions will most likely only be possessed by gamblers who come without excessive expectations of winning and other things to be able to avoid other bad possibilities is as you said by limiting everything in terms of budget and time involvement.
48  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you care about what people say about you gambling? on: May 08, 2024, 08:10:27 PM
If we truly know that how we are gambling is being done in such a way that is expected of us to do, then we need not to care on what other people are saying concerning how we gambles, the problem many have is that they don't engaged in doing the right thing and still don't mind or care about what others are saying, we have to watch our steps from the way we are gambling, because other people are watching us if we don't know by ourself.

Actually I think it's quite simple, if their criticism doesn't harm you and you don't harm them then yes of course it doesn't really matter what other people say about us who have a habit of engaging in gambling, and also on the other hand even if for example you have a good approach according to what is always suggested which leads to many precautions to keep us safe and avoid the various bad possibilities that exist in gambling still people will not believe whatever you say, most people see gambling as a very negative activity because of the very bad impact when someone has fallen into the addiction phase, but on the other hand I think there are still some effective ways for you to avoid various comments or criticisms that you don't want to hear which one of them is to be completely confidential about your involvement in gambling.
49  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you care about what people say about you gambling? on: May 07, 2024, 06:53:33 PM
In any case, each player has close people who can influence the player’s desire when playing gambling. For example, a player can be furious and make inappropriate bets compared to his wallet, but he will be afraid of his wife if she finds out about this, but still walk on the edge of the blade. And as soon as she finds out about this, he will be afraid of her and she will yell at him, threatening him with divorce and children. I think that this would definitely make me stop, because if I lose my family, then why win in gambling or I don’t understand the moments.
It will hurt you a lot when important family members or your own people discuss your bad habits and blame you.  However, it is foolish to care if an outsider or a stranger discusses your gambling issue because it is completely your personal matter to spend your money and time on gambling. Gambling is not always a bad thing.  Sometimes gambling becomes a good medium to give us a lot of happiness even in our worst moments when only you can understand the feelings of gambling.  So I don't think it's logical to care if anyone other than your family members discuss your gambling.

On the other hand I know that one of the common reasons why people talk about or criticize you for being involved in gambling is because I think we all have to admit that gambling has a negative viewpoint in the eyes of society especially when you are in a country that prohibits gambling, but sometimes the criticism can happen even if you are in a country that legalizes gambling which is because usually the viewpoint of society is formed because there are some addicts who have experienced a lot of problems in their lives due to wrong gambling, which society recognizes that someone who is involved in gambling then they are someone who has a bad personality. And I'm sure there must be some responsible gamblers who are able to control their gambling activities well can also get bad attention from the surrounding community if for example the community finds out that they are involved in gambling, but in the end it's up to you, because as you said above that we gamble using our own money without harming others, so there is nothing wrong with not listening to criticism from others except for the closest people or family.
50  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Double your money and quite on: May 07, 2024, 06:33:17 PM
Actually, if it's easy as you said it would have been better but don't doubt me if I say that only few gamblers do quite if they win. Although it depends on the amount that the gamble win, if he wins half of the money he deposited to his account it would be hard for the person to quite. However that's greediness, no matter how small the money is and you are the type that's gambling to make money, even if the money you won is small you should collect it so that you don't lose it that same day.
But some people that gambles for entertainment purposes they do t really want to withdraw their winning so even when they win big, they don't withdraw the money they keep it after being satisfied with it, then next time they use the money they win and continues from where they stoped. While a poor gamble manage to withdraw and next time they deposit another money.
No one can guarantee that if someone can double his money by gambling then he will quit gambling. Because when someone can double his money, he will have more confidence that he can achieve much more from gambling and with this greed he will continue gambling. so one should not gamble excessively with any specific target. these targets can make a person more addicted to gambling. Because the more you win at gambling, the more you like gambling. so every single time you should use gambling as a fun

If you say that someone will be able to stop when they have managed to win in gambling then I think you are wrong, remember that gambling contains elements that can make someone addicted which is the reason because the object of victory in gambling is money and we all need money and when someone manages to get money in a fairly easy way, namely only by gambling then most likely they will have the hope or desire to get the winnings again and this is what is called "addiction".

I think it is a fact that most addicted gamblers always start from taking their first win too seriously which indirectly makes them put hope and faith in gambling that in the next session they will be able to win again with a bigger amount, And honestly I'm reminded of one of my neighbors where he is someone who is known to be very kind and friendly and has never had any problems with any crime or criminal or bad actions in my neighborhood but now I'm quite surprised when I hear that he has become a gambler who is quite addicted and one of my friends said that it all started because in his experimental phase he managed to turn $3 into $100 until finally he was addicted and wanted the same victory. So this means that winning can never be the benchmark to quit involvement in gambling, quite the opposite.
51  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: May 07, 2024, 06:13:25 PM
The rich win more at gambling than the poor for several reasons. First, the rich have more disposable income to spend on gambling in the first place, so they can afford to place larger bets and play more often.

In addition to this. The money they put in is almost insignificant to them. That they don't even care if they lose it all in one go. Which means, they are less likely to be pressured to be making money. They were just there to enjoy. If they are just enjoying, they won't be focusing on money so there's little to no attack for with in terms of greed or fear losing money. Because again they have a lot of reserved cash. I believe that's their biggest advantage.

In terms of probability yes it is 50/50 between rich and poor. But psychologically, rich people have a bit more of an advantage.

I understand what you mean above which means that rich people do not have the intention and purpose to earn in gambling and they come only to seek entertainment to fill their free time full of boredom, when someone gambles without having the intention to earn then it makes sense to say that they will not feel too worried when they lose, but on the other hand in my opinion still even if you are a rich person who has a lot of money to bet in the end you still have to have a limit on the amount of budget allocated. because no matter how small the loss is if it happens very often then of course the amount will definitely grow slowly, so there is always a possibility for you to experience a large amount of money loss that can make you bankrupt regardless of whether you are rich or rich, Because no matter how and how small the loss is if it happens very often then of course the amount will definitely grow slowly, so there is always a possibility for you to experience a large amount of money loss that can make you bankrupt regardless of whether you are rich or poor, so in the end rich or poor are always advised to have a lot of restrictions when they are involved in gambling, because it is a fact that rich people only have strength in terms of finance but if we talk about the chances of winning and the possibility of losing then yes just like the poor and the difference may only be in terms of the amount.
52  Local / Topik Lainnya / Re: Apa yang akan kalian lakukan? on: May 06, 2024, 01:22:15 PM
bener gan, tetapi bicara soal keinginan boleh-boleh saja keinginan kita setinggi langit, toh itu kan cuma keinginan, yang harus kita lakukan adalah wujudkan keinginan kita dengan cara berusaha semampu kita san jangan paksakan kehendak, terus berjuang tanpa merasa lelah, karna semua keinginan kita kita sendiri yang wujudkan, seperti halnya saya ingin memiliki banyak btc, yang harus saya lakukan adalah terus berusaha pelajari semuanya, kerja lebih giat lagi, supaya nantinya saya memiliki btc yang cukup untuk kehidupan saya yang akan datang, seperti halnya kita berjuang untuk mencari sesuap nasi, pantang capek dan lelah karna keinginan kita yang harus kita penuhi, jadi untuk saat ini, kita sama-sama berjuang untuk mencari btc sebanyak-banyaknya agar masa depan kita cerah, yang penting tetap semangat pejuah btc.

Pada dasarnya memang benar bahwa sama sekali tidak ada masalah untuk memiliki mimpi yang tinggi dalam hal apapun, karena tidak ada yang tidak mungkin bagi kita udh berhasil mencapainya dengan cara apapun yang terkadang tidak pernah kita duga, semua orang ingin meraih kesuksesannya dan apapun tujuannya seperti anda yang menginginkan untuk memiliki banyak BTC, itu tidak salah asalkan kita benar - benar mau berusaha dan bekerja keras untuk mendapatkannya seperti memulai berinvestasi dengan menggunakan strategi DCA dengan menerapkan perencanaan jangka panjang yang dimana kuncinya adalah konsisten. Tetapi disisi lain menurut saya merupakan sebuah fakta bahwa sebagian besar dari orang - orang hanya bermimpi saja tetapi tidak melakukan tindakan apapun sebagai langkah awal, dan mungkin kita bisa menyimpulkan bahwa itu tidak lebih dari sekedar omong kosong. Intinya adalah semangat untuk berjuang, pantang menyerah dan jangan memikirkan kegagalan terlebih dulu, karena yang namanya kegagalan merupakan hal yang wajar dalam proses perjuangan dan juga karena hanya dengan itulah maka kita akan bisa lebih berkembang.
53  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Double your money and quite on: May 06, 2024, 12:46:52 PM
~snip~
Lol the funny thing is that after most people have done doubling their money by luck , they won't quit or stop and go with the win they have made that day , because there's always this common emotions in things like this and such emotion is known as greed. Like we humans are fill with such emotion , because we always want to make more and most time endup losing more. Like for me I will advice any one that have hit it big in gambling, should minimise the urge of gambling or quit it totally and use the money to establish something that will serve as an sources of income in a long run.

Yes, it is basically from ancient times, we evolved to do that.

If something works, we do it more often, if something doesn't work, then we stop doing it.

It doesn't really matter the why, we just make up an explanation.

Yes, that's the concept of addiction where when someone succeeds then usually he will always want to do it again, plus this is gambling where money is the main object of winning, which plus everyone needs money to be able to continue living, so it's only natural that they Those who succeed in winning come back to gamble with the same hope, but it is clear that gambling is not just about the chance of winning because no matter what, the possibility of losing will always lurk.

Another thing is the fact that even though they fail in pursuing victory, it is still not a situation that can make them stop, because if you fail to achieve victory, it means you lose and lose money, and this is where they usually do some actions that are beyond their control, which is where continuing the game with desperation and hope to restore something that was lost before. So if we talk about gambling then I'm not sure that when you lose you can stop, and usually this is owned by people who come with the intention and aim to make money.
54  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble? on: May 06, 2024, 10:46:49 AM
In the end, it is clear that if there is absolutely no problem or commotion caused by this person then obviously the casino must serve him like serving visitors in general because he came with his own money and gambled without disturbing the excitement of others.
Yes, since he isn't causing trouble inside the environment, they allowed him to remain and to become a regular customer. However, if he is really mentally disabled, I think it's not right to let him walk around like that without any accompaniment by health agents or family members, because it can lead to incidents at some point and further physical prejudice to his image. Even though he is a peaceful man, maybe he is gambling with money he can't afford to lose, but due to his disability, he isn't totally aware about it and can't judge the situation properly.

So, he needs further assistance from a tutor, for an example, who could take care his money and use it to pay for basic expenses the man is currently neglecting, especially regards his physical appearance. This money should be used to take him to the barber shop, to buy new and clean clothes for him to wear, to pay for healthy food and so on.

If for example the situation he was identified as having a mental disorder in him then obviously of course the casino would definitely secure the person, they already know what they have to do if they find someone like that and we don't need to suggest anything because surely if we and the casino think using common sense in terms of making a decision then surely the results of the decision will not be much different, because if it is not immediately addressed then the impact will definitely be significant where most likely he will destroy all the excitement that is being felt by other visitors who are there or even do some actions that can hurt visitors who are there.

There is no need to be too complicated in terms of responding to this problem, simply the casino only needs to evict the person and ensure that the person will not return there if for example the person is indicated to have a mental disorder, and the rest for mental problems is the person's business and the casino will not be able to take care of something that is not their business. On the other hand, I understand that you are suggesting something good above, but they are mentally challenged people whose minds are different from normal people who do not care about their dirty and shabby condition, unless there is one person who really cares about them and wants to take care of them.
55  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Robot Trading, Menjanjikan Profit, Benarkah? on: May 05, 2024, 05:47:40 PM
Benar, sistem robot trading juga di jalankan oleh manusia atau maksudnya merekalah yang mengatur semuanya seperti menerapkan beberapa kontrol seperti untuk meminimalkan kemungkinan kerugian seperti stop loss yang anda sebutkan di atas yang dimana ketika skenarionya robot trading di atur untuk menetapkan take profit ketika harga naik 2% atau lebih maka robot akan mengikuti aturan ini kalau memang harga benar - benar mengalami penaikan, begitupula dengan menerapkan stop loss, menurut saya penggunaan batasan ini lebih bagus ketika memang anda adalah trader jangka pendek tetapi anda tidak memiliki cukup waktu untuk terus berada di depan layar untuk memperhatikan dan mengawasi open posisi yang sudah anda lakukan.

Disisi lain kalau memang situasinya sedang bulish kuat maka ya menurut saya lebih baik kita tidak menggunakan TP dan hanya menggunakan stop loss saja karena kemungkinan besar keuntungan bisa lebih signifikan dari pergerakan harga yang cukup kuat dan kemudian menahannya sampai waktu tertentu, jadi kesimpulannya menurut saya robot trading itu lebih di peruntukan bagi mereka yang cukup sibuk dalam kesehariannya yang dimana tidak memiliki banyak waktu untuk mengawasi pasar tetapi kalau memang anda memiliki cukup banyak waktu maka menurut saya lebih baik lakukan sendiri karena menggunakan robot trading juga tidak ada bedanya sebenarnya dan bukan berarti itu bisa meningkatkan kemungkinan keuntungan anda, bagi saya robot trading hanya membantu anda untuk bisa lebih disiplin dengan memanfaatkan beberapa fitur yang bisa mengatur semuanya.

trading robot itu sebenarnya geli-geli sedap, kadangkala menguntungkan kadangkala juga rungkad, tidak selalu menjamin karna tradinh robot itu di kelola oleh sistem, sistem kadang kala bisa juga membuat kita jatuh, ketika kita mulai terjun tradinh robot itu kita juga harus siap-siap digulung tikar, karna tidak seutuhnya menjamin, banyak orang yg tergiur dengan trading robot karna kerja mudah keuntungan juga berlimpah, tetapi kita harus sadar bahwa kalau sudah bersangkut paut dengan sistem siap-siap akan ada satu lain hal, bisa jadi akun di baned, ataupun akun tidak bisa login lagi.

Sistem kerja trading robot emang gampang kalau kita pikir secara ilmu logika, karna kita cukup masukin modal lalu sistem yang bekerja, akan tetapi kita juga harus waspada jangan sampai kita terlanjur nafsu akan trading robot itu sendiri, kalau emang keuntungan sudah melebihi modal sebaiknya wd trus, lalu pantau grafiknya kembali apa ada keuntungan atau rugi, yang intinya harus hati-hati dan waspada akan kerugian yang didapatkan, karna kalau sistem yang jalani semua bisa terjadi dari segi akun terblokir tidak bisa masuk lagi dan uang hangus dalam aplikasi itu sendiri.

Yup, seperti yang saya katakan di atas sobat kalau trading menggunakan robot juga sama saja memiliki tingkat resiko, dan bukan berarti dengan menggunakan sistem robot maka anda akan bisa meraih keuntungan yang maksimal, itu kurang tepat menurut saya dan lebih tepatnya menggunakan robot trading itu bermanfaat untuk meningkatkan kedisiplinan dan juga bisa membuat kita terhindar dari kemungkinan kerugian yang terlalu signifikan karena kita bisa mengatur semuanya seperti TP atau SL untuk menghindari MC. Selebihnya tentu saja seperti yang di katakan oleh sobat @masulum di atas kalau robot trading juga memiliki plus minusnya karena bisa saja eror atau terjadi kesalahan sistem di dalamnya yang mungkin saja berpotensi untuk membuat kita mengalami kerugian.

Kini zaman sudah semakin modern yang dimana kita hidup dengan di penuhi kecanggihan dunia digital yang semakin maju, yang dimana situasi ini membuat sudut pandang orang - orang menjadi cukup positif dalam menanggapi atau menyikapi segala sesuatu yang berbau digital atau sistem yang membuat mereka sekilas mungkin menaruh kepercayaan khususnya pada robot trading. Hal lainnya mungkin saya akan berbagi bahwa salah satu manfaat lain dari robot trading itu untuk menghindarkan kita dari yang namanya nafsu karena robot itulah yang akan bekerja sesuai dengan yang sudah kita atur sebelumnya yang dimana kita hanya memantau, jadi kecil kemungkinannya bagi kita untuk mengalami emosi karena kita sudah mengatur semuanya khususnya TP dan SL nya, dan juga selain itu sarannya adalah jangan mudah tergiur dengan segala sesuatu yang di tawarkan, memiliki sudut pandang rasional untuk menciptakan keputusan yang bijak selalu di sarankan dalam hal apapun.
56  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: You can not win if you do not risk on: May 05, 2024, 05:22:37 PM

Yups, actually not all risk taking always ends in bad results, because if we talk about gambling then of course there is still a chance for all gamblers to be able to realize the chances of winning in gambling if they are really lucky, but overall risk taking should not be done too often because however in gambling the possibility of defeat will always be a part that can never be avoided completely, meaning and simply put is that you can win or vice versa you can also lose.

Everyone can win by taking high risks if they are lucky but it is a fact that not all gamblers can accept the fact when it turns out that the results they expect do not happen, and this is the disease that most gamblers usually have, one of the reasons they dare to take a high level of risk is because they want to get a big win but not necessarily they can really accept the fact of losing, so the conclusion here is that no matter how much risk you will take as long as you are able to account for all the decisions you have made, especially when the results at the end of the session do not match.

I assume that if I risk more I can lose, but at the same time I can win more if things go well and you save a lot of things when there is more money things become easier, in part that is what you are looking for. , good? But when we notice that the risk in a casino always becomes much stronger, more risky and can lead to desperation because the capital decreases as things get worse, when I see things like that I can withdraw, because I prefer to control my money, recover . money through gambling, for me that is not a business and it is something that I do not recommend to anyone, because it is chasing losses and that can play us badly, it can frustrate us and make us lose more money, it is also a fact that helps possibly To be addicted.

Yes you can get a very large amount of winnings if everything goes according to what you want or if luck comes at the right time, but since this is gambling then obviously the first thing we should pay more attention to is the possibility of losing, because after all as I said earlier that the risk in gambling can never be avoided completely, or that means the possibility of losing will continue to lurk and can happen at any time.

This is the reason why taking too much risk is prohibited in gambling, not that you can't win, but the question is whether you are able to take responsibility for your decisions when it turns out to lose? I'm not sure about that and really only a few gamblers can be responsible, and most of them just want to win large amounts but when they lose they get emotional and chase losses in a more aggressive way and I would say that this is a dangerous approach that will eventually make you frustrated or even crazy because you experience a greater amount of loss due to chasing losses.
57  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble? on: May 05, 2024, 04:58:40 PM
This is why we should not see or look at someone only in terms of their appearance, because those with ties do not necessarily have a personality as good as people who look shabby, for example like the person described by the OP where he looks like a mentally disturbed person but in fact he really follows all the rules applied in physical casinos, and he also comes with his own money to bet and does not harm others at all.

So the point is not to look at someone's character and personality just in terms of appearance, because they might have a good personality and that's why we should respect each other. Another thing is to ascertain whether the person really has a mental disorder or not I think this is the business of the officers on guard and obviously however if indeed the person is indicated to have a mental disorder then gambling will not be allowed for them.

I think that the person in question who might have a mental disorder already regularly comes to the casino to bet and leaves everything to the casino organizers and doesn't make a fuss. This means that the person does not really have a mental disorder.
perhaps because the bad appearance he used annoyed some of the other gamblers. But those who are already customers of the casino, definitely know the habits of this shabby-looking person.

As long as it doesn't disturb the order of the casino, I'm sure the casino management and security won't be too concerned about the gambler.

Right, and as the OP said where the person has been a regular there, and I think I'm pretty sure that the officers must have been quite surprised before when he just came to the casino, or I mean the officers must have initially seen the person in terms of appearance when he had not subscribed to the casino because of his appearance but maybe over time because there was absolutely no problem with his arrival then the trust of the officers finally allowed the person to return to gambling.

In the end, it is clear that if there is absolutely no problem or commotion caused by this person then obviously the casino must serve him like serving visitors in general because he came with his own money and gambled without disturbing the excitement of others.
58  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: You can not win if you do not risk on: May 04, 2024, 05:57:06 AM

It is not easy to move forward without taking risks. Many people associate risk taking with a negative connotation. But taking a risk can only lead to bad outcomes or even to the best of outcomes. And so be prepared for any good possibility. Who knows because of lack of preparation you may not have been able to use something heavy in time and you have failed the risk so be prepared in advance.


Well that's true, but we don't know what will going to happen if we are not going to take a risk, that's why it is important to know or to analyze it first before doing some decisions so that we will not regret the things we have done. Being prepared or having a back up plan is a good move just in case the thing you pursued won't work.

Yups, actually not all risk taking always ends in bad results, because if we talk about gambling then of course there is still a chance for all gamblers to be able to realize the chances of winning in gambling if they are really lucky, but overall risk taking should not be done too often because however in gambling the possibility of defeat will always be a part that can never be avoided completely, meaning and simply put is that you can win or vice versa you can also lose.

Everyone can win by taking high risks if they are lucky but it is a fact that not all gamblers can accept the fact when it turns out that the results they expect do not happen, and this is the disease that most gamblers usually have, one of the reasons they dare to take a high level of risk is because they want to get a big win but not necessarily they can really accept the fact of losing, so the conclusion here is that no matter how much risk you will take as long as you are able to account for all the decisions you have made, especially when the results at the end of the session do not match.
59  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble? on: May 04, 2024, 05:27:38 AM
This is why we should not see or look at someone only in terms of their appearance, because those with ties do not necessarily have a personality as good as people who look shabby, for example like the person described by the OP where he looks like a mentally disturbed person but in fact he really follows all the rules applied in physical casinos, and he also comes with his own money to bet and does not harm others at all.

So the point is not to look at someone's character and personality just in terms of appearance, because they might have a good personality and that's why we should respect each other. Another thing is to ascertain whether the person really has a mental disorder or not I think this is the business of the officers on guard and obviously however if indeed the person is indicated to have a mental disorder then gambling will not be allowed for them.
60  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you won a bet with your last cash? on: May 04, 2024, 04:58:22 AM

True, it's like you're betting your life on luck, gambling with the last money you have is really not a wise decision, and honestly I think I can guess that it's likely that you're really hoping for a win to increase the amount of money you have, but what we have to remember here is that the casino will never care about you anyway, They don't care if it's your last money or not, but in the end gambling with your last money is a silly decision because it can never change the situation, or it means that the last money can't be used as a guarantee that you will succeed in getting lucky.

What I'm worried about here is the possibility that you will be really emotional when it turns out that the results at the end of the session are not what you expected, plus it is your last money which means that after that you have no money at all to buy something you need, so this is the importance of having a healthy mindset and a rational point of view in terms of addressing everything to make decisions.

Absolutely mate using our last money to gamble is a very bad idea cause we all know that some.of us here already experienced this kind of scenario that we are lovely to play using our last money. And yes that's a bad idea cause not all the time when we put our bet we will win so there's a possibility that we will loss in our last bet and  if that's happen then we will regret in the in it. Cause if we don't let our greed take over us then we  still have enough money. But in the end there's a possibility  that that we cant fight our  greed.

Hmm yes then honestly I don't really understand the mindset of people who dare to do that, or I mean who are desperate to gamble with their last money, and I understand that maybe I was an experiment but honestly I believe that if it turns out that the results at the end of the session you win then most likely one day you will do the same action of gambling with your last money, instead of using it for more important life needs such as buying food but instead they use it to run activities that actually depend on luck.

The point is as you said that we will never know whether the results at the end of the session will be to our liking or vice versa, while the possibility of losing will continue to lurk us until whenever, and I think this is not just a matter of greed but also with them having curiosity and high hopes of winning so trying to make decisions that could potentially increase regret when it turns out that the results are not suitable.
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