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4181  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest on: March 24, 2023, 07:21:40 AM
1 FUN = 24 satoshis. It was 1 FUN = 36 satoshis months ago (last September I think).
That's because the value of bitcoin prices is getting higher on fiat currency exchanges and while FUN is relatively slow on fiat currency exchanges, therefore the exchange for FUN to BTC is getting lower, but judging from the total FUN investment at the beginning it would be better to calculate it at the exchange rate fiat currency than calculating it to the exchange rate to BTC

This is great news for people who keep a certain balance on Freebitco.in as they can now use that balance to buy 0.5 FUN token more for the same spending amount as it was 36 satoshi before,now it is 24,meaning with 36 satoshi you speaking in theory can buy 1.5 FUN with that amount.

This is a great time also for people who have some Bitcoin aside in their wallet to invest here and become a premium member easily as 2500 FUN now cost only 60.000 satoshis while before costed near 100.000 or a bit more,so in this moment the more you buy the better,if you lock them monthly then even better.
4182  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2022/23 Season on: March 24, 2023, 07:01:17 AM
Leverkusen might seem like they have the best draw in the quarter finals. But they still need to be really careful anyway. Because Royale Union SG eliminated a solid team like Union Berlin in the previous round. We have all seen how great season Union Berlin have had so far. Therefore it shows how dangerous Royale Union SG can be in this tournament.

Of course Union Berlin weren't like one of the biggest title contenders. Now they will face one of the contenders which is Leverkusen. I really wonder how they will play against another strong German team. Leverkusen are doing well these days.
Since Xabi Alonso has taking over Leverkusen there were good improvement for this team although they were tasted several defeated on Bundesliga but overall Leverkusen performance quite stable under him and regarding this match indeed Leverkusen is the favourite but i won't underestimate Saint-Gilloise because as dark horses team they have already eleminate good team such as Union Berlin and this is their second met against Germany teams and looking forward to see which team will advance to the next round

Saint-Gilloise were very tough to playing at their home so Leverkusen should be careful to them because we all know they can able to overcomes Union Berlin with huge scores and first leg Leverkusen will playing as a host and if they want to qualified Leverkusen should be able to win even if possible win with big scores and if Leverkusen can able to do that then they will be more comfortable to faced second leg

I think Union Berlin who played against Royal Union was not the right team to go further in Europa League as they are used or at least I have seen them playing more defensively than aggressively and that does not work in International Competitions,sure it worked once in 2010 when Inter won the Champions but since then no one else has made it by defending.

Leverkussen on the other hand plays more open football and as such will have better chances to win against such team no matter how strong they appeared to be against Union Berlin,the Bundesliga is still a much better league than the Belgium one.
4183  Economy / Gambling / Re: What sort of Weekly & Monthly Bonuses do Bitcointalk members want? on: March 23, 2023, 02:09:09 PM
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Your choice. But as far as I know, you should base it from the player's wager(s) in relation to the house edge of the games he/she played.
I thought of this formula:
Bonus = {(Wagered Amount) * [(House Edge %)/ 10]}
Since games has different house edge, just classify them and get the summation afterwards.
I'm not sure if this can be applicable though. I'm just guessing base on my experience as a player.

This bonus computation is for a rakeback if I’m not mistaken. Rakeback is always part of the VIP/loyalty award of the casino like Punt. I believ Punt is asking for a special promo and not the regular rakeback bonus applied to wager.

Bonus type like what Duelbits given in form of free spin, boosted odds on sportsbook or random cash drop with just x1 wagering requirements is what most the players looking forward in the casino. This kind of bonuses will make players check the casino.

Isn't rakeback like cashback or is it different from cashback? It's also confusing because sometimes it's those two. Or maybe the rakeback bonus will only come in if we play gambling often in a casino and if you don't gamble on their platform, you won't receive any rakeback, right? Sometimes I don't pay attention to that because if I can play gambling in slot games, it's fine with me even if I lose and if I win it's even better.

Rakeback is some amount that the casino offers you back for every bet you place there,most casinos implement this type of bonus only for casino games like slot machines and luck based games in order to give somewhat of a compensation for the house edge.

For example Stake has 5% of Rakeback of the house edge for every bet you place on the casino or for every bet for example at a minimum like 0.10 dollar and a house edge of 4% you get a rakeback for this bet and the amount is 4% house edge multiplied by 5% equal to 0.2,now 0.10 bet multiplied by 0.2 in percentage is you get 0.0002 dollar back for every bet you place in the casino.
Cashback is a bonus the casinos offer you which you can use it anywhere including sport betting and that is one difference.
4184  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest on: March 23, 2023, 01:47:03 PM
"I seem to win better prizes when I spin 1 at a time, than when I use the spin all button, i don't know if any other user feel the same way..."

- Someone has already informed plainly that spins are independent not dependent events. On the other hand, if you are interested in the mental side of the thing, search, for example, "Myopic risk-seeking".

It's like me. If I get free chips at casinos now, I use them only on single hit on roulette. Used to even play just odd/even or high/low and if I'm feeling dangerous I bet on the 1:3 payout lol

Now I go 2 numbers or singles, and I hit it maybe twice or thrice now. And I feel "luckier".

At least some of us recognize this myopia, but I doubt the guy you quoted will ever understand... as he already seems to have ignored.

The outcome is already predetermined but no one has told me and anyone else why when we use Play All button we only see 4 prizes and when we play every time each spin by clicking the Play One all the prizes are on the Wheel of Fortune.I have tried both options with clicking each spin being done early and I have received better prizes I don't know why just pure luck and randomness while lately now that I play Play All button I keep hitting only normal base prizes and once a while a Golden Ticket rarely.

I love to click each spin separately but lately I have lost patience and just hit the Play All button.
4185  Economy / Gambling / Re: Freebitco.in - FUN Token Investment Experiment on: March 23, 2023, 12:37:04 PM
Holding will always win, that's a real law for investors who have strong principles to always hold onto their assets until the price really gets higher.
Currently the FUN token has a volume of $2 million from coinmarketcap data, that is a very high volume number for me.
So it's no wonder investors have started to be interested in this FUN token.
Maybe right now the price of FUN tokens is still cheap but see later when the halving comes and the bull market starts I'm sure the price of FUN will increase soon and the holding will be a winner

In a btc market that could be bullish, the token is likely to rise, of course now you have to see a series of behaviors, because there are many tokens on the market that offer great innovations and have many functionalities, and these things are above the token Fun, the most important thing here is to make investors see that the fun token is a reliable token, that it has some age and that it has the history that supports it that things have gone well, and that it has withstood many attacks from the bearish market that has always been presented.

I have been watching the price of tokens l(ike FUN) move for years. 
And so, of course, there is a certain pattern here. 
When such tokens first appear on the market, the price rises sharply because the information about the token has spread and everyone wants to earn.  When the first peak of the price has passed, the process of leaving their token holders of a large part of the first buyers begins.  The price is falling.  In the end, a small community of this token remains with everyone, and its price never reaches peak values. 
But, of course, the price will rise slightly during the bull market, but the price increase will be less relative to the overall growth of the crypto market, and less than other top coins at the moment.

I have my doubts that FUN price will boost substantially during the next bull run because I don't know if you noticed but when Bitcoin price moved recently from below 20.000 dollars to well over 28.000 dollars yesterday the altcoins,all of them did not have the same increase not in price because that is impossible but at least to have some increase in percentage,yet most of them kept failing.This is a big sign of worry for me as most of the tokens that did well during the last bull run if the next bull run comes earlier than predicted,I am afraid we won't see a good price increase from most altcoins including FUN token.
4186  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots 101: Basics, Strategies, and Discussion (with poll) on: March 23, 2023, 12:07:10 PM
Don't give up who knows, just like one of the streamer stated, the max win will be due one day Smiley.
yes, it's true that maxwin will come someday, if it doesn't mean that we will run out of savings first Cheesy

Does anyone have played the new member of the Moon princess family of Play'n Go?
maxwin 4000x on Moon Princess Trinity it's very difficult to get a slightly bigger multiplier but usually if the game has a maximum limit of 4000x it's easier to get maxwin, but to be honest I've never gotten maxwin in any game of the MoonPrincess series.
I've played MoonPrincess Trinity before but after just a few spins I got a bit bored, because unlike Princess 100 it's easier to get good returns or slightly bigger multipliers.



btw, anyone experiencing missing replays from pragmatic providers?
I got a really good multiplier yesterday and wanted to share it here but sadly the replay isn't there. what happened?

I think that this is true,games with lower max win,games let's talk about Play n Go provider which in games with x3000 max win you get to win more often in smaller amounts and the chance to get the max win are higher than a game like Clash of Camelot with x35000 max win which is a huge max win considering other Play n Go slots.Also the games with lower max win has also lower variance compared to the slots with much bigger max wins,for example you can win more often from your spins in Moon Princess Trinity during normal spins than you do at Clash of Camelot.
4187  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What holds you back from investing in Altcoins ? on: March 23, 2023, 09:56:21 AM

You must have a strategy and plan on what altcoin you want to buy, for me if the altcoin price is the same % as the bitcoin price there is no point to invest in altcoin, better to invest in bitcoin only. You must have searching and research what altcoins have a deviation increase from bitcoin, for example, if bitcoin price increases 10% then you must search for altcoins with have more potential increase than 10% i.e. 15%, 20%, or more. that's where the main point of profit is from altcoins.

It was not necessary to study and make research in all altcoins, you're just wasting your time instead, make prior to altcoins that already have a good market performance during the last bear season as it is likely they are having the same scenario. Smart investors don't just invest in Bitcoin alone but make their journey to altcoins as well and with their volatility, somehow give them the chance to possibly earn more than just Bitcoin. In fact, we have noticed that altcoins are growing, meaning many people have an interest in them and are willing to invest despite the risk.

I doubt altcoins are growing at least in price,I don't know about people buying/mining/getting them but the marketcap of such coins does not increase in the same way the leader does which is Bitcoin.Normally Bitcoin has increased in price well over 8000 dollars but I am not seeing such increase in the same percentage from popular altcoins like Doge,SHIBA,Ethereum,Ethereum Classic,Litecoin and many others,for me this is a clear sign that altcoins are not the people favorite's anymore like they were in the first bull run of 2017.
4188  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏁🏎️ Sportsbet.io🏁 FORMULA 1 2023 Season🏁🏎️Prediction Pool Discussion Thread on: March 23, 2023, 09:11:35 AM
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I guess no Hoodie and Hat Sportsbet combo for me and you, unless we perform some miracles with many correct predictions and win Yellow Cap.


it is a really nice action from Sportsbet to provide combo for Yellow cap winner, and that will put additional effort to make best predictions

there is time to make good strategy for Australia and win it
seems that top two positions are reserved, but Ferrari and Mercedes have enough time to improve and overcome Aston Martin in Australia

I doubt this,the time is equal for all the teams to improve,I don't think that Aston Martin will be losing their time and even Redbull maybe thinking that this will not continue forever,the dominance,so every team has the same time for working on upgrading their cars.I also think that for such short time the podium is already Redbull and Aston Martin under normal race conditions and usually the Australian track is a boring race as it is a very technical track despite being a really fast one,so I think even here we would see a Redbull total dominance.
4189  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: March 23, 2023, 08:21:55 AM
I don't want to bet in any elections because of the surveys being handled by survey agencies, these survey agencies are good at predicting the right winner and even the percentages of the leads.
I can cite one example and it's my country where it accurately predicted the result for the past 30 years, and even in America, survey companies are good at predicting the outcome so it's no use making bet on predictions.
We can do our betting right after the announcement of the party's representative but it's useless during the campaign, especially now that everything is automated.


These type of bets are for people who can't live without betting on anything,even in rooster fight and something similar those lines.These kind of persons find it amusing to bet on any event that bookies offer them to bet on but for most gamblers they don't really care much about presidential elections,well except people living in the USA which most of them would love to bet on this race as they get a feeling of pride if they find out that their favorite has indeed won the elections.The automation has a big incident in 2016 Trump rigged elections by Russian "friends" so I think they should have worked it out now otherwise it would be useless.
4190  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are Casino Sites Cheating Us? on: March 23, 2023, 06:59:53 AM
I think it is not the casino or may be let's put it the way OP asks here,they do "cheat" us but only thanks to the provider of the games the casino offers to us.I will make you a personal example and despite not being Blackjack but slot machines the analogy is almost the same,the moment I was playing with minimal bet the slot machine kept giving me profit,getting near 200 dollars in profit with 0.10 dollar bet is a good achievement for my standard but you start getting bored because it takes a lot more time to grow your balance further.In this case it is in our DNA-human nature that we want to get more and more profit and we raise the bet,that is an extreme error which 100% of the times has brought me to 0 balance.
4191  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Intel Tapes Out Chips on 1.8nm and 2nm Production Nodes on: March 22, 2023, 09:41:39 PM
There is if you are in for the long run,for me this coin is Raptoreum as they have an awesome development team behind them
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Once they build the assets which are next so different programming languages can be used to build apps over this network which by the way is ASIC resistant as they change algo I think we can see the price of Raptoreum greatly increase.
That's nice to know. Can you use Intel CPU to mine them profitably right now? Or is there another bottleneck that a faster CPU doesn't really matter for the hash rate/profit?

I think as I said it is profitable with any processor including a i5 3470 and up and if you are using your PC daily at work and if you are free to install an app or you get permission from the IT administrator go ahead and run the miner there.Now not a single CPU is profitable mining this coin despite the AMD Ryzen 9 and Epic server processors are really powerful ones that produces you the most number of such coins.Keep in mind to only venture it for the long term,for example if you have a powerful processor you can mine for 3 months to get like 7000-10.000 coins and then wait.The energy cost whatever you have is higher than the CPU power consumption so only try this for the longer term if you believe in the project.
4192  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Why we are not seeing a native wallet for .. on: March 22, 2023, 09:28:15 PM

Ethereum was and is popular just popular because of the nature of it's smart contracts platform, which was there just in time for the ICO boom. It was never about the miners. It was about the numbers (projects and people using the network and deploying the smart contracts).

Notice how so many copycat Ethereum Killers came up and tried to dethrone Ethereum but failed horribly?


The big problem of ETH is centralization now,people or better validators need to have 32 ETH staked in order to validate transaction,just look at the number of wallets of ETH that have over such amount which is low compared to the majority of wallets that have less than 0.10-0.20 ETH and they are what I call now "burned" or "eliminated" wallet as they don't win anything.Now who guarantees me that a bunch of people do not buy so much ETH that they stake a lot of such 32 ETH or much more as you know,the people having more ETH staked means they have higher chances to be called and come and validate transactions,now tell me if this is not centralization please tell me what is and how such a project can be a threat to Bitcoin which is years of light ahead in decentralization?

4193  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Which Game do you think is a Game of Chance or a Game of Skill? on: March 22, 2023, 09:14:56 PM
I was recently browsing the internet on a topic as to why cryptocurrency gambling games are so addictive. This topic is not only about online crypto gambling please do remember this before replying.

While going through multiple websites for my topic I found out that the online gambling industry has been growing rapidly. The growth has been significant as in 2021 the global online gambling industry size was recorded at $61.5 Billion, whereas it went up to $79.8 Billion in 2022. The rise as per my understanding is significant.

While going through different websites I stumbled upon many websites which were about the top most played games in online casinos in 2021-2022. I have listed down the top 4 most played games below but my question is which one of these do you consider to be a game of skill or a game of chance?

  • Slots
  • Balckjack
  • Baccarat
  • Poker
   

I think Slots is a game of chance and Poker is a game of skills. Do you agree?

Beside Poker here every other game is a game of chance and  yes I know about Blackjack that you remember and count the cards but that in online casinos have been eliminated as they play with a big number of card decks and not like traditional Blackjack we are used to when we play in a physical casino,so this makes also Blackjack a game of chance.Slot machines are the devil in person,exactly the devil in person,they deceive you in the worse possible way and you end up losing a huge amount of money if you are not careful there,I am talking from personal experience,every time I am winning with a minimal bet the moment I raise it,it is game over really fast.Baccarat don't know as I have never played it.
4194  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The future of CBDC in gambling. on: March 22, 2023, 08:40:58 PM

If the casino is regulated we might see the ease of use of the CBDC wallets. There is no need for KYC because you already have KYC on it and they wouldn't need to verify things, they already know what you are doing.  CBDC might even send a direct message to your wallet congratulating you for winning a slot game. But I guess the budget allocated for gambling spending is also regularly monitored.

This will not impact the casinos in Macau since we are talking about the so called capital of gambling as for me there is only one real capital of gambling and that is definitely Las Vegas,the casinos won't have a difference as CDBC are so called,kinda like e-currency but they are not cryptocurrencies and as such the casinos will continue to do the same,they will exchange those e-currencies for house in chips and something similar,or maybe they will be used to pay for accommodation in the bigger casinos which have also big hotel suites,I don't see any impact for our realm here,for the cryptocurrencies so for me whatever happens with CDBC is none of my concern as I will never use them.
4195  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏁🏎️ Sportsbet.io🏁 FORMULA 1 2023 Season🏁🏎️Prediction Pool Discussion Thread on: March 22, 2023, 08:26:07 PM
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Sweet price pool! 45 mBTC for first sounds pretty nice! Thanks a lot to Sportsbet.io for bumping it to 75 mBTC in total.  Cool

And I guess it's time to win the Australia Grand Prix. Hoodie + Cap look dope! Thanks a lot.

I just added my picks, even though it's a little early. But I want to make sure, that I don't miss them. Let's see if I can score the yellow cap this week.  Tongue

I don't think Australian Grand Prix is this week if I am not mistaken I know is on 2 April which is not this weekend.I think that the prizes are great as structure as both the top three different from the last time this pool was held are hefty prizes compared to the entry fee and the entertaining along the way during the season this pool provides.

The hoodie also looks super nice and I think I am going to win this upcoming race yellow cap so that hoodie will be mine  Tongue.I will boast off the streets with it if I happen to win it  Grin,most probably won't as I gamble only online and people do not know me for a gambler but for super good guy  Grin.
4196  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Nigeria Premier League/Players Discussion Thread on: March 22, 2023, 04:58:48 PM
Rivers United FC 0 - 0 Enugu Rangers
Rivers United vs Enugu Rangers is going and they have played for about 45 minutes. And from the previous matches between these two teams, Rivers United FC won the Enugu Rangers. But in this match Rangers are playing very well but Rivers United still have goals attempt compare to their opponent. Football game is game signs and wonders. The first half is almost gone with 0-0. Probably one of the teams will do something in the second half of the match. I am still supporting Rivers United to win the game. Let me hear opinion on the on going NPFL: Group B.

I also agree that Rivers is the favorite but I am surprised about them just some days ago not being able to win at home in African Concacaf Cup,I don't know if I said it well but I mean the Champions League of African countries,they are still doing great in their group there though yet I was surprised seeing them not win that game.In here in the Nigerian league they are among the better teams and even if they don't win this game does not mean anything as overall they will be leading the league in their group,I see that in this league except a couple of teams the others are a bit far away,nevertheless an interesting league.

Edit:Rivers just ended and won their game.
4197  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: March 22, 2023, 12:22:29 PM
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At the same time what are the chances that Haaland is ever going to win a World Cup title? It's also a lot of luck whether you are French these days or Norwegian. Let's assume Mbappe and Haaland ever meet in a huge final with their national teams, I think Haaland bringing his team into the final would be worth more than Mbappe taking France into a final.
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I don't want Håland to become another Goran Pandeev. He is still young (22 years old) and hopefully with the increase in the number of participants for the 2026 World Cup, Norway will be able to participate in the tournament. BTW, he was born in Leeds, England. So technically he is eligible to represent England, if I am not wrong (not sure about his citizenship though, although it should not be a tough task for him to get a British passport). Jokes apart, I don't think that Håland is interested at least a little bit in moving out of Norway.

We cannot judge him because he is still 22 years old and too young to say what's going to happen to this player after years, Haaland is currently a citizen of Norway and if he didn't have the citizenship he couldn't play for the national team, he can achieve more goals in England if he were playing for England national team but as far as I know, he can't do that because he played for Norway in official games.

He cannot do that,once a player is federated with a team he cannot leave it and go to another team.There have been specific cases but those do not apply here,for example when Albanian players originating from Kosovo have been playing for Albania and once Kosovo become and independent country in 2008 many players got to play with Kosovo,this was a specific clause because of such non natural event like a new born country in 2008.I am afraid Norway is a well established country and this move is not permitted under special conditions,we don't know though that if Haaland would score more goals with England.
4198  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How my lack of knowledge has blinded me so far on: March 22, 2023, 11:55:07 AM
It's good to hear that you've taken the time to research the reasons behind KYC verification requirements for online casinos. I believe KYC verification helps online casinos ensure that their players are who they say they are and that they are of legal age to gamble. In easy words, it's mandatory to provide the player's credibility. In addition, it's necessary to ensure the safety and security of online casinos and their players.

While I fully agree with this who guarantee us that our data,valid data is not misused by the KYC department of the casino,some disgruntled employee there may do enormous damage if they have access to our data.I know that most companies have DLP-Data Loss Prevention systems in use which does not let such information going out through email or USB devices but we cannot be sure that each casino uses such norms that are standards in the cyber security world.I personally have given my ID as I am verified at the casino where I play as I believe in such casino to have high standards when coming to our user data.KYC is beneficial to us if something bad happen to our account and only us people with valid data can solve these problems,so in this point of context KYC is beneficial and that is why I did it.
4199  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2022/23 Season on: March 22, 2023, 10:55:34 AM
I didn't expect the Sevilla coach to be sacked. I think their run in the Europa League is not too bad. But the result of the game against Getafe seems to have made the management not believe it. Seven games with five defeats is not a good result, so I think they were not wrong to sack him.
Indeed, if you look at their history in the previous season, Sevilla experienced a very deep decline. Last season they could have finished fourth. Today they are in fourteenth position which leaves only twelve games.
After seeing Sevilla defeat PSV by 4 goals in the Europa league, my confidence in Sevilla was raised so the sack was unexpected, probably he was sacked for not doing so well in the La Liga. I hope the new manager will be able to improve the team especially to defeat Manchester United in the Europa league match up.


But it's not just about the game they had against PSV, they also lost against Fenerbahce in Europa League, and even in the Spanish league they are the 14th team in the table and they couldn't get any good results. Manchester United is lucky to play against this team at this stage where they will have an easier game than other teams because Sevilla can't be a hard competitor for Manchester United.

Manchester United together with Juventus are for me the main favorites to win the Europa League during this season.I don't know if anyone noticed but it is the third consecutive Spanish team that faces Manchester United in Europa League play offs,in group stages only Real Sociedad was able to beat them at their home.Since Manchester United has beaten Barcelona and Real Betis,clearly teams in much better shape than Sevilla in the La Liga in Spain,I also think that Manchester United would have not the slightest of problems to qualify further.
4200  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🦊 Betnomi.com | Champions League Pool ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: March 22, 2023, 10:32:02 AM
but don't count out Chelsea; we are one of the competition's biggest threats right now. C'om bro!!!

I'm not ruling out the possibility of Chelsea making it to the final or even lift the trophy, but saying you're one of the competition's biggest threat is an outright joke, If you ask me, in fact Chelsea are very lucky to have been drawn in their current bracket, I strongly don't believe the team would have made it out of the other Quarter/Semi final bracket, which is made up of Man City, Bayern and Real Madrid, and oh please, in advance, spare me all those few years ago talks or Chelsea beating Guardiola to trophy a few seasons ago, and instead live in the reality of the level of threat that Chelsea currently pose against any of those teams.

It is the truth though that Chelsea won against Real Madrid when they were in a much worse shape than they are now.They surely have the players to win any game despite suffering from a lot of injuries and anything can happen.It is a big problem this draw against Real Madrid as Real Madrid is fully focused in the Champions League and in the event that Chelsea get qualified they won't go much further unfortunately as both Bayern or City I think are opponents stronger than them and that can beat them any time in the condition they are now.
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