Feeling a little off the track now  1. The project seems to be stalled. Back in september fluffy said 6 weeks is the maximum time needed to get the db out. I am yet to find how to use it, im sure half of the people here are only able to use monero because of mymonero. Why just not to fork "db out" feature from XDN? Are you too proud or too ignorant? rhetorical question. You mean the paging feature that Bytecoin developed and you inherited? Rhetorical question. Don't worry, I'm sure XDN will "develop" LMDB support too. Here, you can get a head-start on copying our work: https://github.com/tewinget/bitmonero/commits/blockchain |
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Keep the bro language and irrelevant posts for the pub, your reputation is on line here (lost completely in my opinion)...
Well in that case, why don't you go away, since my reputation is "lost completely"? Your opinion is no longer required or wanted, your incessant trolling is no longer needed. Thanks for your continued involvement, but you can go start NewMonero with better developers that fit into your little cocooned idea of The Way Open-Source Development Works. Goodbye! |
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So just to recap: "big holder" that has contributed 0 because he "didn't know that would speed up development" (despite being a "CEO"), hasn't contributed a line of code, hasn't done anything of any value or note, but has a lot of complaints. A lot of them.
...and no, throwing money at a problem never helps... Tell us more about donations dev team received and how many btc you supposedly spent on bandwith. Tell us more about your "CEO" position and how many employees you supposedly have? How is my work related to any of this ?! Fucking joke you are. Your entire argument about how "bad" we are rests on you knowing "better" because you're a "CEO".
<Alit> Had i known a donation would speed up development i would have donated
<Alit> the point is, you aint getting it back from me, i've already withdrew 30  taking money from core team feels so good
<Alit> one can tell ive been a ceo all my life
<tewinget> Alit: how many commits have you pull requested?
<Alit> none
<Alit> we cant all work on code
So you don't donate or contribute code or participate in any valuable way, instead you actively try and *take* money from the developers. But it's ok, bro, because you're a CEO, bro, and you know how to develop an open-source cryptocurrency best, bro. |
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So just to recap: "big holder" that has contributed 0 because he "didn't know that would speed up development" (despite being a "CEO"), hasn't contributed a line of code, hasn't done anything of any value or note, but has a lot of complaints. A lot of them.
...and no, throwing money at a problem never helps... Tell us more about donations dev team received and how many btc you supposedly spent on bandwith. Tell us more about your "CEO" position and how many employees you supposedly have? |
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Feeling a little off the track now 1. The project seems to be stalled. Back in september fluffy said 6 weeks is the maximum time needed to get the db out. I am yet to find how to use it, im sure half of the people here are only able to use monero because of mymonero. 2. Without a usable client, the speculation thread is a joke, new people are not entering and we are buying and selling between ourselves. 3. The quality of posts has gone down a lot for dev 'smooth' He does not feel like a dev at all, constantly arguing with other coin people when it will clearly bear no fruit. Can anybody change our opinion about Monero? No, then how can we change someone else's? Feels like this is going nowhere, its been an year and we have what? a db to put the chain off RAM? Please dont pull out that donation card on me, Satoshi, BCNext worked without donations even because they believed in themselves. Does our dev team has such confidence? Or are they doing just a task in their pass time as a hobby? The devs owe us nothing but there is a reason they are the leaders, i dont see any passion my two millinero 1. No, in this comment I said that it required 6 man weeks worth of effort, not that it would take 6 weeks. Depending on your resource availability, constraints, and inter-dependencies, you can cram 6 man-weeks into 3 days or into 6 months. Actual timelines are unrelated to the timeframes used to estimate costs. 2. Is MyMonero not usable? How many speculators do you know that will willingly run full nodes, regardless of how pretty the client is? 3. I think smooth has posted on things he is passionate about, including obvious scams that he observes. I don't think he has any obligation to act one way or another, he is not the public representative of a company, he is an individual with his own thoughts, feelings, and ideas. I'm not sure what you mean by there not being passion. Look at the main github a month ago and today and make a comparison (output snipped for legibility) -
[ ric->bitmonero ]$ git checkout c01069f
Note: checking out 'c01069f'.
HEAD is now at c01069f... fixed English word list issue: 'launchpad' should be 'ourselves'
[ ric->bitmonero ]$ cloc ./
926 text files.
914 unique files.
152 files ignored.
http://cloc.sourceforge.net v 1.62 T=5.89 s (131.8 files/s, 50722.1 lines/s)
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Language files blank comment code
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SUM: 776 28801 60989 208781
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[ ric->bitmonero ]$ git checkout master
Previous HEAD position was c01069f... fixed English word list issue: 'launchpad' should be 'ourselves'
Switched to branch 'master'
Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.
[ ric->bitmonero ]$ cloc ./
986 text files.
971 unique files.
164 files ignored.
http://cloc.sourceforge.net v 1.62 T=5.09 s (161.8 files/s, 60926.7 lines/s)
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Language files blank comment code
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SUM: 824 30444 62837 217059
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Pretty sure the 48 new files, 1 848 new lines of comments, and 8 278 new lines of code could be considered as the result of "passion" - and that completely excludes the blockchainDB branch or the work being done on 0MQ etc. |
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Yup, both nice trades. The first one was better of course (so far).
I wonder why that even bothers you? Oh that's right, because you are a miserable troll who compulsively insults and criticizes people. Got it.
I thought developers are hodlers, well I guess not. You're just trying to make a quick buck... Alit / primer- / Poloniex-trollbox-BCX, why don't you just fork Monero and take it over? I mean, since you're a CEO with tons of developers, and clearly you know exactly how developers out to behave and operate. Some choice quotes for posterity:
<Alit> No thanks. bots like tippero went extinct 15 years ago
<Alit> When are crypto developers going to learn... "Soon" is not a timeframe. Don't you have any work experience ? Try giving soon as a time frame to your employer...
<Alit> No one is going to take you serious with "soon" as a timeframe
<Alit> I'm actually a big xmr fan. I hold almost 100k xmr..
<fluffypony> Alit: you should totally get yourself in the Community Hall of Fame
<Alit> i considered it
<Alit> but you were too slow with the development.. 6 months for DB/GUI is way beyond my liking..
<fluffypony> so before we got to the 6 months
<fluffypony> let's say in June last year
<fluffypony> how much did you donate then?
<Alit> nothing i started mining back in June
<Alit> in September i considered
<Alit> In November i decided not to.
<Alit> Had i known a donation would speed up development i would have donated
<Alit> i'ma gonna rape your tippero bot now moneromoo
<Alit> won 21 monero, withdrew 20, i love taking money from moneromoo
<Alit> well you guys can always ask for more donations on btctalk
<Alit> damn, core team gonna go broke, won another 10xmr
<Alit> the point is, you aint getting it back from me, i've already withdrew 30 taking money from core team feels so good
<Alit> smooth is such a retard
<Alit> go develop that shitcoin and dissapear from here
<Alit> David you should focus on writing, your French accent is very hard to follow. Leave the public speaking to professionals...
<Alit> well to be honest david doesnt just sound terrible, he looks funny too
<Alit> must be his 2nd time he wore a suit
<Alit> and the hair.. as if he just woke up..
<Alit> public speaking is not for everyone
<Alit> unless you are a fcking genius like Andreas Antonopoulos
<Alit> i dont know what to say to you othe, how retarded are you...
<Alit> Im used to French accent, spend most summers at cote d provance
<Alit> meant to say azure, cote d provance is actually the rose wine i like
<Alit> heh i lost everything to tippero
<Alit> time for a 10km run, bbl
<Alit> fluffy never makes eta's
<Alit> maybe this time you get the static binaries right
<Alit> but i seriously doubt it
<Alit> its as if the person in charge of cimpiling is completely clueless
<Alit> monero project really needs some senior coders... no pun intended..
<Alit> its been years since i wrote anything usefull..
<Alit> but i work with professionals
<Alit> hell i could get one of my people to do the gui in less than a month..
<Alit> so little has been done in the last year
<Alit> fluffy is the only dev
<Alit> iAmA real boss
<Alit> one can tell ive been a ceo all my life
<Alit> im the ceo i dont need comradery skills
<Alit> ceo work calling, bbl
<Alit> damn, my $500 keyboard is dyingg
<Alit> i've dumped everything
<Alit> well kept some
<Alit> but 90% dumped
<Alit> i dont like the passiveness of the dev and the community
<Alit> if i was to sell everything now
<Alit> price would go back to 002
<Alit> im waiting for new developers to show up and build community confidence
<Alit> the current team is baaad
<Alit> new blood will come
<Alit> and make things better
<Alit> dEBRUYNE, both dev and community passiveness
<Alit> no opinions thrown around in the main thread
<Alit> 5-6 active posters, others silent
<Alit> scammer atrides scammed 10k xmr in donations almost 4 months ago
<Alit> wrote few lines of code
<Alit> and no one cares
<Alit> polo scams miners by keeping unclaimed xmr, no one cares
<Alit> sad
<Alit> db announced months ago, still noithung
<Alit> sad, fucking sad
<Alit> dev team cant give a single damn deadline
<tewinget> Alit: how many commits have you pull requested?
<Alit> none
<Alit> we cant all work on code
So just to recap: "big holder" that has contributed 0 because he "didn't know that would speed up development" (despite being a "CEO"), hasn't contributed a line of code, hasn't done anything of any value or note, but has a lot of complaints. A lot of them. |
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That bastard liar. He says he doesn't know about MRL-0004, yet you fucking linked it. God damned idiots!
Counter-troll troll? |
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chainradar seems to be doing more of an educated guess, it kinda gets it right. so let's figure out why and how to avoid it
If the ring signature involves n outputs, then you can guess with 1/n probability -- no fancy analysis needed. Try your tests with higher mixin and see how often it gets it right. Over enough tests it should converge to 1/n. Basically, chainradar is just bullshitting but it looks like it succeeds occasionally because its random guess lands on the right one. Dart-throwing monkeys can pull off the very same. first 2 tx were 150 and 70 mixin. didn't help the others I tried to make identical ones at the same time. but should have made the following txes in reverse order. I'll try that later. If that doesn't work, I'm out of ideas Posting guesses and suppositions on this thread 10 times in a row is counter-productive. Go read MRL-0004, and you'll see how we've addressed this. Hey! You don't have a "Warning: Read MRL-0004" anywhere. How was I to know? that's why I asked. It's good that chainradar exposed it then. I erased my other posts. It's obvious that MRL-0004 is the issue. Minimum mix in requirements is the solution. So, I hope you will make that hardfork soon. If I can make a suggestion: You could make it minimum 5 mix ins, not just 1, to avoid any further problems. And make it 10 by default. And don't allow dust amounts. Privacy is the main feature of monero, it can't be overlooked. No, you know it exists, because I linked you to it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10982006#msg10982006 |
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chainradar seems to be doing more of an educated guess, it kinda gets it right. so let's figure out why and how to avoid it
If the ring signature involves n outputs, then you can guess with 1/n probability -- no fancy analysis needed. Try your tests with higher mixin and see how often it gets it right. Over enough tests it should converge to 1/n. Basically, chainradar is just bullshitting but it looks like it succeeds occasionally because its random guess lands on the right one. Dart-throwing monkeys can pull off the very same. first 2 tx were 150 and 70 mixin. didn't help the others I tried to make identical ones at the same time. but should have made the following txes in reverse order. I'll try that later. If that doesn't work, I'm out of ideas Posting guesses and suppositions on this thread 10 times in a row is counter-productive. Go read MRL-0004, and you'll see how we've addressed this. |
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https://github.com/suthernfriend/blockchaindb ?? this seems to be for satoshi. which one are you using? I prefer to do it locally, since I'll be making many queries and websites might eventually block me. I could look through the sources, but if it's already done, why rewrite it. chainradar seems to be doing more of an educated guess, it kinda gets it right. so let's figure out why and how to avoid it https://github.com/tewinget/bitmonero/tree/blockchainThey could be guessing based on one of the temporal association attacks we identified in MRL-0004, but given that they're 0/20 for me I don't know how "educated" the guess is (although 20 is still a small sample size). MLR-0004 can be found here: https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf |
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thanks for the clarification.
any ideas how it's guessing the right one most of the time then?
edit:
Do you have a link to the daemon api, or is there an open source block explorer? I want to analyse the blockchain myself, not sure where to start. Thanks
In my tests (20 transactions) they haven't correctly guessed any of them:) You can try the MoneroBlocks API (not sure if it'll give you enough info for these queries), or use the blockchainDB branch and query the LMDB data (this is probably harder, but closer to what I'm doing). |
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I can take a few moneros and do a chain of mixins from one wallet to another to illustrate.
if you do like this: exchange->wallet A->B->C->D->exchange
then exchange knows tx to wallet A, and tx from wallet D, and on chainradar you will be able to trace tx-es from D to A, so there goes your anonymity.
Yes, it does not show to which address it went, but it links the transactions so you can trace the money.
I think that for it to work, it is supposed to look like on minergate, but now on chainradar you can actually link the tx-es.
Once again, I'm not trolling, I can even demonstrate it with a chain of transactions.
No they don't, they know a transaction occurred but not to where, are you seeing wallet address there or the amount of coins in that wallet? and if you know your transaction or the exchange knows it they can look it in the blockchain but thats it you cant know to what wallet that it went, only the wallet owner has the keys to unlock the real transaction with the right amount of coins, pls be troll. You are not listening. I will get back to you with a chain of transactions to illustrate the problem. If exchange sent to wallet A, then from wallet A you sent to wallet B with 100 mixins, then from wallet B back to exchange, in theory exchange should not be able to tell that the money came from wallet A initially. (well it could say that theres a 1% probability it came from wallet A). But with what I see on chainradar now, exchange will be able to tell that the exact same coins that they deposited into wallet A came back to them from wallet B, because chainradar now has the ability to link transactions regarding of the mixins. exchange knows tx to wallet a, tx from wallet b, and chainradar will tell you that the input to tx B came from tx A. And in theory, it shouldnt, like we see on minergate. Try it yourself, if you don't believe me. And the most surprising thing is that I cannot find any discussion on how this was achieved. It's not "achieved". Practical example: http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/a4e445a22c0a0d9435f07ecf55d855d6f277f6428db5cf68ff3bd7bab1ca7829According to that, the "from transaction" for that input is http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/aa10f1d5e589248170404587ab784655458089414b15e90de541776db5d0470cExcept that transaction aa10f1d5e589248170404587ab784655458089414b15e90de541776db5d0470c isn't mine (if anyone else wants to they can indicate it is theirs). Per simplewallet -
2015-Apr-04 18:12:00.294361 amount=500.000000000000, real_output=19, real_output_in_tx_index=3, indexes: 29 422 478 604 750 1130 1154 1183 1369 1818 2043 2075 2288 2513 2699 3232 3394 3397 3430 3450 3701
2015-Apr-04 18:12:00.333493 transaction <a4e445a22c0a0d9435f07ecf55d855d6f277f6428db5cf68ff3bd7bab1ca7829> generated ok and sent to daemon, key_images: [<1d247030634c590594ab4e6d5cd9abef2daab8dd8df0d3757d2500aa35b1fee6> ]
If I check output 19 (the real output, index 3430) it comes from transaction f563c3dc5c15d582063ea6b8cd34a580c219e1dfcdf3b7fec852a3bec2c1036a. And if I check my incoming_transfers I find that I actually do own that output (which is now spent) -  So at best ChainRadar is broken, at worst they're purposely trying to act as if they can figure out which of the ring signatures is the real one. The only conclusion we can make is that ChainRadar is either incompetent or malicious, and should be avoided. |
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5w00p: Everybody shares your opinion about ByteCoin. But code talks. I am no software developer, so I dont understand & know the code bases of Monero and Bytecoin.
So I ask, if maybe something good can come out of this. Because some of the announced features undoubtedly look promising.
The bulk of the stuff they're promising is pretty uninteresting (coloured coins that require mixin 0 transactions all over the place? come on. there are better ways to do tradeable assets.) The handful of things they're looking to do not already in our Design and Development goals are kinda meh (on-blockchain aliases? BBR had that nearly a year ago, and we've had OpenAlias for ages, which is a markedly better solution). |
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how large is the blockchain atm?
2.5gb raw, 5.5gb demoralised on disk (LMDB), no clue what the in-RAM size is atm but probably between the two tending towards the LMDB version |
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Coins sent to an exchange without a payment id are coins lost forever. I have doubts polo honored more than a dozen claims anyway. Funny they honored yours - SENT FROM A POOL! Just another red flag for polo...
Mine were sent from simplewallet, not from a pool. I don't mine Monero (except on testnet, where there are only like 3 of us;) You seem to be looking for malice on Poloniex's part, but I see no indication of that. Private simplewallet transactions are a different story - only the sender knows the TX id. I'd give them 3 months to claim their funds, not a day longer. I'm talking about traceable POOL transactions. Two lines of python code could scrape the data from all pools and mark these coins as un-claimable. Pools can also be patched not to make payouts to exchange addresses unless there's a payment ID. Here are the three most prominent forks, feel free to submit such a patch: https://github.com/fancoder/cryptonote-universal-poolhttps://github.com/sammy007/node-cryptonote-poolhttps://github.com/perl5577/node-cryptonote-pool |
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Coins sent to an exchange without a payment id are coins lost forever. I have doubts polo honored more than a dozen claims anyway. Funny they honored yours - SENT FROM A POOL! Just another red flag for polo...
Mine were sent from simplewallet, not from a pool. I don't mine Monero (except on testnet, where there are only like 3 of us;) You seem to be looking for malice on Poloniex's part, but I see no indication of that. |
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There is nothing we can do without dev's support and they just don't care... They should be all over this, pooling all unclaimed xmr into one big fund for the core team and other third-party contributors...
Frankly, I find the suggestion morally dubious. Those funds were sent to Poloniex to trade, that they cannot be linked to an account through human error does not free them up for us to take. Those funds belong to the people that sent them to Poloniex, and we have no way of knowing who they are or how important those funds are to those individuals. If Poloniex choose to take some independent action and donate the funds we won't stop them (nor would we even know it was them who donated unless they tell us), but if we go kick up a storm, demanding the funds, what do we do if in 6 months time someone comes along and says "oh dear, those funds I thought were on Poloniex actually aren't!" You're quick to accuse us of "passive problem solving", but if the alternative is borderline theft then I'd rather take the accusation of being passive. |
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They've credited XMR sent without payment ID manually a lot of times. Many such cases were reported in this and other Monero threads, but you need to have the relevant information about the transaction.
The discussion is about unclaimed XMR, do we let them keep it or do we ask for an audit, make them keep an updated unclaimed amount public + introduce a new policy that allows them to redirect the funds to development group the community chooses (does not have to be the official dev team). It's a (mostly) perfectly fungible cryptocurrency, we can't force them to do anything. If they choose, of their own accord, to donate the funds that is their prerogative, but we would not ask or insist that of them. More importantly, dealing with this matter with hostility will leave them disinclined to be of assistance. If this matter is important to you then I would suggest you send Poloniex an email and discuss it with them directly. |
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I've sent (on accident) coins to poloniex and they've 'disappeared' - never again.
4AqrzGPfEKeZrVXyPDNXUrNeKZZGNYiXMDoY49PvdffKNTRg6xp2Qz74SZ72gT5F9HH8Vaic99ndRg6 UBGcVijaNStQjwwf
This was a few months ago and i've learned my lesson with a painful loss.
I've sent coins to Poloniex without a payment ID a bunch of times (embarrassing, I know) and I've merely opened a support ticket, given them the relevant info, and they've manually processed the deposit for me. |
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